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Part 4 Actress Shelley Fabares "Elvis Presley" interview with host Frankie Verroca 

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/ frankieverroca Shelley reveals what it was like to act, sing, and dance in several Elvis Presley movies and answers the three big questions about her their relationship !
1-What was Elvis really like ?
2-What was it like to Kiss Elvis ?
3-Did you have a romance with Elvis ?

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@rtfe83able
@rtfe83able 11 лет назад
Shelly Fabares is one class act! You never heard her bad mouth Elvis what a true lady! God Bless you Shelly!
@acerothstein4755
@acerothstein4755 4 года назад
rtfe83able come on Shelley, we all know you laid down w Elvis. Just admit it.
@kerryincolumbus
@kerryincolumbus 7 лет назад
How can 8 people NOT like this woman?? she's fantastic!!
@davidrice3337
@davidrice3337 Год назад
people are ignorant when it comes to actors /singers -
@msg7142
@msg7142 7 лет назад
My favorite Elvis movies are with Shelley Fabares and Ann Margret.
@CharEnglund
@CharEnglund 12 лет назад
What a nice person she is, speaking from the heart with loving care. The story of Elvis entering the room and what she felt about his charisma is great stuff.
@christakulikowski7567
@christakulikowski7567 Год назад
Am 71 yrs - I watch Girl Happy over and over - she and Elvis act so lovely together, will never get tired of seeing them! Lovely, Shelly, how you still carry Elvis in your heart and mind! He was surely OUT OF THIS WORLD! A man BLESSED by GOD in and outside! Thanks so much Shelly.
@AbiNomac
@AbiNomac 4 года назад
I dated someone who wasn’t an Elvis fan but went to a concert one night with this friends. He spoke about Elvis the way she did, the atmosphere changed when he walked out onto the stage. He said to me, “Elvis only walked out on stage and I was flawed. My jaw dropped and I hoped nobody was looking at me. Then I noticed just about everyone in the concert halls jaw had dropped too.” That’s what he said, then he became a fan.
@MyEllenrose
@MyEllenrose 12 лет назад
Shelly is an adorable person and speaker here. She really talks about Elvis and his charisma with such awe and respect. What she says about how Elvis didn't have a chance to survive Hollywood and his career (in Vegas and touring) is so true. It must have been an awful existence for him, and lonely. Thank you Shelley!
@janetstruckman8718
@janetstruckman8718 6 лет назад
You are a real classy lady, Shelley. I do believe that Elvis was the handsomest man to ever walk the face of the earth as well as the most talented with the way he could sing, dance, and act. I think his acting was absolutely great and none of the criticism that was leveled at him is valid. Just a bunch of wanna bes who were jealous of his tremendous charisma and appeal that he owned and no one else could come close to possessing.
@pulmon66
@pulmon66 13 лет назад
For those that can't understand the pressure that Elvis Presley carried throughout his public life, the last 2 minutes of this clip would suffice to make them do so . I'd not heard this particular story and the reason is simple. Of the hundreds of people who were there, as subjects and witnesses, only Shelley Fabares saw it happened, and she was the only one who didn't have to stand up (LOL) The story starts at 7.49 into the clip. Unreal...
@scottydog1407
@scottydog1407 6 лет назад
What a lovely-spirited and kind woman. And very articulate.
@diannawebb6294
@diannawebb6294 2 месяца назад
Elvis is alive. He is pastor bob joyce in benton, arkansas
@lindaweinstein4846
@lindaweinstein4846 3 года назад
Beautiful Lady and how lovely to hear her speak of Elvis so Wonderfully and Kind and just all & all a real Classy Lady always 🙌🏼💫Fabulous story 💫
@Machomannorway
@Machomannorway 12 лет назад
Great to hear stories like this. Classy lady, and I fully believe her when she says that he felt comfortable just being friends with her. The pressure of simply being "Elvis" with all that came with it, must have been a heavy burden. I`m sure that Elvis deep down was just a regular guy who happened to have this tremendous talent that touched so incredible many people. Larry King said that he had never met anyone who KNEW Elvis, who had one bad word to say about him.
@lorenzomagazzeni5425
@lorenzomagazzeni5425 2 года назад
Exepto when he went to Nixon and voluntered to grass collegues
@gregamerson9172
@gregamerson9172 Год назад
Yeah he did, that damn cilla said a bunch of bad shit about him in her book
@1JUSTGOTLUCKY1
@1JUSTGOTLUCKY1 4 года назад
What a classy, great lady!!
@lissalives1
@lissalives1 11 лет назад
She is wonderful.
@billdev2007
@billdev2007 10 лет назад
Beautiful words, describing the electrifying presence of ELVIS!!
@user-qo8qv8yd3k
@user-qo8qv8yd3k 4 месяца назад
You are so right. Elvis was one of a kind. You are beautiful thank you
@KChiefs12
@KChiefs12 3 года назад
Girl Happy was always one of my favorite Elvis movies.
@pinomissalino
@pinomissalino 6 лет назад
That was a great story Shelley Thanks for Sharing that with us. God bless you with your health.
@tishleigh7026
@tishleigh7026 5 лет назад
A sweet graceful classy women and great actress!!!
@percybyssheshelly
@percybyssheshelly 7 лет назад
Girl Happy was a great Elvis movie. I loved it.
@anniedorsey400
@anniedorsey400 5 лет назад
I no
@anniedorsey400
@anniedorsey400 5 лет назад
Hi
@pua63
@pua63 12 лет назад
it is so wonderful to hear stories like this
@steelbat54
@steelbat54 2 года назад
Shelley, incredibly has related what was mentioned so frequently on other posts I’ve viewed about how when Elvis entered or was in a room you could feel his presence. I truly believe that happened always when he was around. His personality, his charisma was so strong it filled a room. I find this to be almost spiritual. Maybe it is. He was a very spiritual person and I also believe he was a gift from God.. ...and also I want to reiterate what another person mentioned. Who could not like this beautiful lady? I remember as a kid growing up in the fifties and sixties always loving her very gentle personality. And also a hottie.. 😊
@johndonlan5956
@johndonlan5956 2 года назад
Shelly is such a brilliant woman....... And it's with such great insight when she talked about how Elvis almost wasn't meant to survive the notoriety and stardom. All we see about Elvis is how he abused the drugs and how his physical appearance changed for the poorer....... But Shelly really nailed it: Elvis really died as a consequence of the way he was treated by the people who managed him and his fans....... It was almost too much for anybody to take and yet survive.
@stacie4170
@stacie4170 Год назад
I agree…he never stood a chance. A lonely man. A lonely soul. For so long. Godspeed Elvis Aaron Presley. I’ll love you forever.
@sammy5714
@sammy5714 5 лет назад
So nice to have come upon this video and getting to know more & more of Elvis. And the ones who were actually near him!! Thanks for sharing Shelley
@MrMslycan
@MrMslycan 12 лет назад
Boy! Do I have to agree with what you said about his survival & how it makes your respect (and my love) for him) quadruple at the very least. It's NO WONDER why his Mother hated it all when boys began their petty jealousy of him & girls ripped his clothes off him to get a piece of him. He was obviously a Dear, Sweet Man who everyone Adored the minute they saw him whether they were fans in the beginning or not. RIP Elvis...I missed my chance to see you & have to dream of that feeling! I LOVE YOU!
@patrickjarvis6160
@patrickjarvis6160 2 года назад
A Amazing Lady with Amazing Memories with her friend Elvis!
@bernie4366
@bernie4366 5 лет назад
Elvis was the King of America, and he always will be. Even though it killed him.
@mholdr
@mholdr 12 лет назад
great stories about Elvis -- thank you Shelley.
@nachman613
@nachman613 12 лет назад
Thank you so much for sharing this... she seems to be a very nice lady, and I love how she talks about Elvis...
@JAARNO88
@JAARNO88 12 лет назад
i love hearing about first meetings with elvis, they seem always to be almost supernatural!
@memphistenn77
@memphistenn77 4 года назад
I always wished that Shelly got together with Elvis and got married, I loved them together!!!
@bodensick
@bodensick 8 лет назад
Hey Javelin...this woman is incredible! She played in one of TV most popular 50's sitcom, she recorded a song that will be played on classic rock forever (Johnny Angel), and finally...she starred 3 times with THE KING. What have you done Javelin?
@kampanagroup1
@kampanagroup1 12 лет назад
Shelley is adorable - the funny thing is when she starts talking about Girl Happy, she said she played "Cynthia Fox" and she says something in effect "Some roles you never forget, Cynthia Fox"....but in Girl Happy she played a gal named "Valerie". In another Elvis movie (Spinout), she played Cynthia Foxhugh. .
@cynthiacupler8005
@cynthiacupler8005 4 года назад
What a sweet woman, she is, liked all of her movie's.
@Lzuniga317
@Lzuniga317 12 лет назад
Shelley said that somebody said that she appeared more times with Elvis than any other Actress. But yes as a leading lady not more than anyome else that goes to Actress Terri Garr appeared as a dancer in his movies 7 times.
@gloriasalsman1017
@gloriasalsman1017 6 лет назад
I loved her on the DonnaReed show, for a long time I thought they were real mother and Daughter, they looked so much alike
@Pacercampos
@Pacercampos 12 лет назад
Thanks for the great post Frankie.Shelley's a remarkable person.
@puppycat58
@puppycat58 3 года назад
Love her ❤
@caretaker245231
@caretaker245231 11 лет назад
1. she's almost 70 years old.... and 2. She is still beautiful, even with the pink hair... it suits her well.
@kellylynneden1977
@kellylynneden1977 3 года назад
Agree, love the hair it suits her. Wouldn’t look right on me though
@bodensick
@bodensick 8 лет назад
Very hot for Shelley and for that matter Donna. The character Cynthia Fox was in her second movie with Elvis (as a race car driver). What's interesting about this 1967 flick was that her film father was played by Carl Betz (her dad on Donna Reed).
@kimbuck6680
@kimbuck6680 3 года назад
They seemed to have a friendly respectful relationship
@paulafrench5354
@paulafrench5354 4 года назад
I love Elvis
@Classic63
@Classic63 12 лет назад
You're right ! Her character was Valerie Frank (Big Frank's daughter)
@rutnrampage7598
@rutnrampage7598 10 лет назад
Love this lady.
@richardranke7878
@richardranke7878 5 лет назад
Shelley Fabares made guest appearances on the Donna Reed Show during the 6th and 7th seasons, but during the 8th season she didn't appear at all. I have always wished I could see reruns from years 6 and 7. (I did see one on MeTV last year,her first guest shot.)
@susanlangfeldt8999
@susanlangfeldt8999 9 лет назад
Shelley had a liver transplant a few years ago and is on heavy duty meds for the rest of her life. That can contribute to not remembering some facts about Girl Happy, like the fact she played Valerie Frank, not Cynthia Fox. Let's be gracious and forgive her. A wonderful talented lady who truly loved Elvis in a non-romantic way.
@freddieg.4206
@freddieg.4206 6 лет назад
Susan Langfeldt very well said. Also Elvis was not 19 in 1966 . I didn't know that about her so it makes sense. Thanks for the information.
@TheDonz1943
@TheDonz1943 6 лет назад
E respected her too
@sammy5714
@sammy5714 5 лет назад
Thank you for sharing your words/knowledge and yes, we DO NOT laugh at people who have Medical issues. Never!! This lady is a gem!
@acerothstein4755
@acerothstein4755 5 лет назад
Susan Langfeldt Yes, she played Cynthia Foxhugh in Spinout and Valerie Frank in Girl Happy.
@acerothstein4755
@acerothstein4755 5 лет назад
Non romantic my ass. You aren't the 'leading lady' in an Elvis movie without spending some time on your back in his trailer. That's the way it was back then. Still is to some extent.
@edwardbaggett8287
@edwardbaggett8287 6 лет назад
I can't believe ELViS Christmas album wasn't on the top 10 greats of all time....#1 is a Charlie Brown Christmas
@230608grace
@230608grace 4 года назад
In 1966 Elvis would be 31yrs old. Born Jan 8/35 to Aug. 15/77. 42 yrs old. Miss you Elvis
@bonnieikamas1201
@bonnieikamas1201 2 года назад
Wonderful ❤️
@dannymiller7880
@dannymiller7880 3 года назад
Very honest and lovely lady with a great sense of humour,, I love girl happy,, and clambake even more so
@cookieseville5133
@cookieseville5133 5 лет назад
To those of you who mentioned about her name in the movies go to the beginning again. It was her Meds!
@mecklenburggovan7311
@mecklenburggovan7311 4 года назад
if Elvis eloped with Shelly in 1964 then both lives would be more interesting. Shelly has a good sense of humor, vibrant and sympathetic on Elvis. When was the last she met him? 1967.
@lostinmyspace4910
@lostinmyspace4910 4 года назад
It's fun to see Shelley Fabares being interviewed on another RU-vid video by Dick Clark in 1965, then here in 2011
@javelin1010
@javelin1010 10 лет назад
She's 100!!!
@sandraoliveira99
@sandraoliveira99 2 года назад
This is an amazing story,
@thewatcher5271
@thewatcher5271 Год назад
I Love Shelley Fabares & Always Will But Her Character Name In 'Girl Happy' Was Valerie Frank (See 2:30). I Think Cynthia Fox Was Her Character Name In 'Spin Out'. Thank You.
@lorenzomagazzeni5425
@lorenzomagazzeni5425 2 года назад
Everyone was in love with lovely Fabares back then, me included.
@user-qo8qv8yd3k
@user-qo8qv8yd3k 4 месяца назад
You look great!!!!!
@cigs1000
@cigs1000 11 лет назад
In girl happy, her character name was not Cynthia Fox, it was Valerie Frank.
@avantill
@avantill 11 лет назад
RIGHT, SHE WAS ' VALERIE FRANK " IN GIRL HAPPY.
@elvispresely3679
@elvispresely3679 10 лет назад
U Lucky GAL...U Got 2 make 3 movies with ELVIS PRESLEY....
@elvispresely3679
@elvispresely3679 10 лет назад
Lucky Lucky got 2 KISS BY ELVIS & Play with ELVIS
@MrImiller07
@MrImiller07 11 лет назад
Shelley Fabares is an articulate and charming actress and interview subject; I also don't understand why an attractive older woman decided to change her hair so radically from the style that she wore during her years on "Coach" to the multi-colored pink accented style. Her affection for Elvis is genuine and accentuates the damage that his manager Col. Parker did to his career; he was a talented singer/actor who could have done better material rather than the formulaic musicals during the 60s.
@gobyebo
@gobyebo 7 лет назад
Amazed that some stylist convinced this lovely lady that this hair style was attractive.
@mkmom8473
@mkmom8473 4 года назад
I read she had been very sick. After she recovered she just wanted to do something wild. So she did the hair.
@4estdweller4ever
@4estdweller4ever 3 года назад
To each his own. At her age she’s earned the right to look any way she wants to. I applaud her for being daring and not wearing a typical helmet hair style
@teddylopez509
@teddylopez509 7 лет назад
The fella she really liked was James Darren from the 'gidget movies'. She made a mistake twice there when she said Jimmy Stewart. She dedicated 'johnny Angel' to James Darren. I think she pushes it a little too much about the beatles there. Ok, it was their time but, a little over kill there by Shelley. Bless her heart, she's lucky she's alive, she went through a few accidents there that almost cost her her life. Think she had some desease too. Bless her heart.
@monicareginalopescavalcant1516
@monicareginalopescavalcant1516 4 года назад
I would like that interview will be written.
@msmcginn4574
@msmcginn4574 Год назад
She seems like such a lovely person. And what a weird life to have grown up in showbiz…a lot of people “crack” that do that.
@mchobbit2951
@mchobbit2951 10 лет назад
I always liked Shelley. Great lady. Great actress too. If she did really reject Elvis romantically, I get it. He was a great person, great friend too but look at his track record with girlfriends. I'd rather be friends with him than be his girlfriend if given the choice.
@acerothstein4755
@acerothstein4755 5 лет назад
Mc Hobbit Let’s be honest Shelley. You are divorced from the 1st guy so you can admit it now. You serviced Elvis every which way. They all did.
@bogumiabieniek7685
@bogumiabieniek7685 Месяц назад
@@acerothstein4755 Zrob troche badan, a nie oczerniasz , nie wiedzac nic na ten temat. BEZCZELNOSC! Bezpodstawnie zarzucasz cos komus! Oskarzasz nieslusznie !!! Karalne !!! Przeczytaj co napisali w ksiazce jego chlopaki z MM. Jako jedna z niewielu nie ulegla romantycznie Elvisowi. Choc zabiegal o nia kilka lat,zawsze go odrzucala. Jego ochroniarze powiedzieli , ze byl to powazny cios dla EGO Elvisa, gdy Fabares stale go odrzucala. Powinienes sie wstydzic , ze piszesz takie oszczerstwa. Fabares byla kobieta szanujaca sie, wiedziala, tak jak wszyscy ,ze byl to mezczyzna romansujacy z prawie kazda aktorka z ktora gral w swoich filmach, ale ona nigdy nie ulegla jego urokowi. Ich zwiazek, nigdy nie wyszedl poza chemie na planie filmowym . Byla zamezna z Lou Adlerem i byla mu wierna, Nie interesowal jej romans z Elvisem - powiedzial Sonny West ochroniarz Elvisa. Wstydz sie !!!
@no-oneman.4140
@no-oneman.4140 3 года назад
Elvis was 31 in 1966. Those movies made lots of money for Elvis and Parker but it came at a huge price. It drained Elvis' self respect as a musician and actor. Elvis became an icon in spite of Parker not because of him. Elvis could and should have got rid of Parker. He made a pact with the devil. Why Elvis didn't will never be known. Before the drugs took hold of his mind Elvis was an intelligent man. A tragedy of Shakespearean proportion. He had a vast amount left to give.
@gregamerson9172
@gregamerson9172 Год назад
Son, that was a great analogy 👏 👍
@janiceleighton7348
@janiceleighton7348 6 лет назад
Shelly it was val your name in that movie girl gappy bless
@elvisuk
@elvisuk 10 лет назад
marvellous video
@Gundersonjohn75
@Gundersonjohn75 11 лет назад
her character in "Spinout" was Cynthia Foxhugh.
@ispy368
@ispy368 6 лет назад
Elvis was a great actor....did a few great roles....but the singing beach movies was Asshole Colonel Parker... Other than Priscilla l loved his secrets jealous relationship with Myrna Smith and him bumping head with Jerry Schillings... Elvis didn't want Jerry to be with Myrna... because he wanted her...That is the only tension Elvis had with Jerry...it's wasn't about Priscilla...it was about his beautiful black backup singer Myrna Smith, who she married Jerry Schillings...Yes... Elvis and Myrna had a secret love affair almost up to the end of Elvis life....My sister was great friends with Sylvia...and knew Myrna Smith also...
@ajaxfitch
@ajaxfitch 12 лет назад
I heard she had rejected to snooze with Elvis. Well, I will never know. Seems a little odd how she rejected him when he was alive and how she speaks of him after his death,
@dannymiller7880
@dannymiller7880 3 года назад
She was a decent girl and she was married women had standards in those days and most were very faithful
@TheDonz1943
@TheDonz1943 6 лет назад
She said she didn't actually like him when she first met him
@ceciliavaldeslezana5543
@ceciliavaldeslezana5543 2 года назад
Quienes fueron sus padres?hay alguna biografia .?que se sabe de su niñez o cuando comenzo a actuar?Quien sabe?
@elvispresely3679
@elvispresely3679 10 лет назад
ELVIS PRESLEY Was the most Talented, & had the most Beautifull FACE,,,With A VOICE That never Failed him..He had tons of CLASS, CHRISMA & CHARM,,,& FUNNY 2..There will not ever never B Another Talent, Better than ELVIS,,,,,If U got Lucky & got 2 C Him Perform Live,,,U would know that no one 2-this day Is better Looking, or A Better Singing VOICE,,,,,Oh Shelley how could not Make Love 2 him...
@TheDonz1943
@TheDonz1943 6 лет назад
I don't know about that, get a gander of my Face
@acerothstein4755
@acerothstein4755 5 лет назад
I guarantee you she did. That''s how she got the 2nd starring role after the first. This was early 60's Hollywood - the studio almost always basically threw their costars in a trailer with a king sized bed and locked the door from the outside. It was good for 'chemistry' on set. That's how fucked up their thinking was back then.
@rtususian
@rtususian 5 лет назад
If this guy is going to be interviewing Shelley Fabares, you would think he would do basic research, like he didn't know Shelley wasn't on the Donna Reed Show for its duration, and it's just so basic that she was in an Elvis movie, but the interviewer sounds like he never knew that! Just going on her Wikipedia page should be enough to make him sound familiar with her background.
@39thala
@39thala 11 лет назад
Actually, it was 'Spinout' that she played opposite Elvis as Cynthia Fox. Not 'Girl Happy'.
@acerothstein4755
@acerothstein4755 5 лет назад
39thala Actually, her character in Spinout was Cynthia Foxhugh
@michaelcanney7218
@michaelcanney7218 4 года назад
When elvis was 19, which was 1954, there were no Beatles
@avantill
@avantill 11 лет назад
SHE'S CONFUSED !
@karenwilson3093
@karenwilson3093 11 лет назад
What happened to Shelly? She use to be so beautiful! Good interview. Karen Wilson Glen Lyn, Va
@twiggyb01
@twiggyb01 4 года назад
one word, age. it happens to us all eventually
@danc3693
@danc3693 4 года назад
What a small thing to say about someone.
@jamesdevine9657
@jamesdevine9657 10 лет назад
What is up with the Hair Do !
@avantill
@avantill 11 лет назад
YOUR RIGHT, SHE'S WRONG ? LOL !
@georgemitchell9397
@georgemitchell9397 5 лет назад
I disagree with Shelley😠Beatles never her words"overtook" Elvis...
@judysexton75
@judysexton75 5 лет назад
Always loved her ..but what the heck was going on with her hair?
@christopherdavid1561
@christopherdavid1561 2 года назад
She’s really cute for 40 ;)
@robertvalentine7623
@robertvalentine7623 3 года назад
What is up with her hair? Is it for a horror picture she is doing? What was going on?
@davidrice3337
@davidrice3337 Год назад
she was hot - big time
@frankietalk
@frankietalk Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ziGAqoIvH9w.html
@larrybaker9924
@larrybaker9924 4 года назад
At her age that hairdo has to go. Leave that to the 20 somethings.
@cynthiacupler8005
@cynthiacupler8005 4 года назад
Her hair is different.
@bogumiabieniek7685
@bogumiabieniek7685 Месяц назад
i co z tego ma wynikac!
@cherieallen2539
@cherieallen2539 4 года назад
What's with the HAIR Shelley ??? Lol lol 🙉
@johna.4334
@johna.4334 3 года назад
She appears to be painfully affected. I know, I know...she's an actress and she's expected to behave in this fashion. It's just that...
@acerothstein4755
@acerothstein4755 5 лет назад
Too bad Elvis died young because his "tell all" autobiography would have been something.
@gregamerson9172
@gregamerson9172 4 года назад
The bio would have never happened, ELVIS had more class than that. He didnt want folks talking about him n he didn't talk about them. The fuc#ing book his bodyguards published is what carried him over the edge.
@acerothstein4755
@acerothstein4755 4 года назад
Greg Amerson more class? Come on now. He was a drug addict user w no control over his life.
@gregamerson9172
@gregamerson9172 4 года назад
@@acerothstein4755 I've been keeping up with him since 1960 n NEVER heard him talk shit bout anybody. Aside from when he got bad off at the end of his life, and everything spiraled out of control. So yeah he WAS a addict but he wasn't on red alert his entire career. It really doesn't matter anymore he's been gone a helluva long time. All we are doing is talking shit n speculating anyway. So what the hell😎😎
@gregamerson9172
@gregamerson9172 4 года назад
@@acerothstein4755 2nd verse man , on reflection he never even gave very many interviews n when he did he never said anything derogatory bout anybody that i can remember. All i can recall is hearing some of his on stage rants at the end of his career when he was headed for disaster. So yeah I think till he started losing his shit he was pretty tight lipped bout anything personal that was going on. You can explain yr side of it if u like, cause like I said we damn sure can't change nothing that DID happen so cut loose😎😎
@acerothstein4755
@acerothstein4755 5 лет назад
Fabares was 21 when Girl Happy was made. Elvis was 30. I don’t care if she did just get married, no way she didn’t spend some quality time w Elvis in his trailer, no way. They all do.
@opentrunk
@opentrunk 5 лет назад
Next thing you'll be telling us you're their love child. I'm not buying it, Ace.
@acerothstein4755
@acerothstein4755 4 года назад
Elvis was a douche, not a ladies man at all. Most women that admitted sleeping w him sId he was a limp dick in bed.
@todd3563
@todd3563 Год назад
Am I the only one that found her incredibly boring?
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