Killing Michael Biehn's character was disappointing to me too. I find Michael Biehn to be a very endearing actor and near the end of Aliens I was convinced he was going to get killed. When he survived it was awesome... Then they killed him off before Alien 3 even started! They should have kept him alive and had him sacrifice himself to save Ripley during the Alien 3 final battle. Hicks deserved more!
You guys should go read the original script for Alien 3. It starred Hicks and Bishop, on a space station owned by some sort of Confederates independent of the United States government. Way better than the shit which actually got greenlit.
I think the film and its themes on their own are actually pretty decent and could of stood up as a standalone story with different characters told more from the prisoners perspective. People went in expecting to see a james Cameron film and killing of their favourite characters just rubbed salt in the wound. I remember seeing it in the cinemas when it came out and afterwards felt a bit disappointed by it. Over the years though i have grown to appreciate it for what it is, its a dark, bleak, and depressing movie there isn't a happy ending and i kind of like that. The film score lets it down here and there though especially at the end it was a bit heavy handed in my opinion. The assembly cut is a definite improvement and fixes a lot of issues the theatrical release has. All in all it doesn't hold a candle to aliens though which is a masterpiece.
The problem with Hicks and Newt's deaths was that they were sacrificed simply for shock value, at the expense of some interesting characters and the development they could've brought in Ripley's character. That's what was interesting about Gibson's script, as it shed a bit of light on both of them as well as Bishop (android, not human). If Fincher had directed that story, and if Weaver could've been persuaded to accept a bigger role, Alien 3 might've topped the second film.
Interesting. But do you think it should have been as nihilistic and dark as A³ turned out or the common complaint that this is all boring and we need action and cool deaths?
Killing off Newt and Hicks was total fucking bullshit and made the whole film depressing. I know Alien 3 wasn't a great movie but it would have been nice to see Hicks and Newt
I stopped watching the Alien movies after they killed of Hicks and Newt. The characters went through so much shit, you cared about them and to kill them off in the 1st ten minutes was a slap in the face of the audience and James Cameron.
As a life long fan of the alien movies I couldn't believe that a beach near to where I live called blast beach in Sunderland UK. Was the filming location where Ripley washed ashore in alien 3. I stood at that point of the beach and utter disbelief . How many times I went there and never knew. Amazing feeling at the time.
Are those writers still working? That was the dumbest thing in the world killing Newt and Hicks off. It made everything Ripley done in Aliens for nothing. They didn't care about the fans at all. Come on Fox let Neil Blomkamp rectify the mess you made!! We want Hicks, Ripley and Newt!!!
But maybe that was point Alien 3 was to be dark depresing etc you know dirty prision with criminals and characters which we like die after all this nightmare which they survive in Aliens why no one wat to look at this this way i like Alien 3 maybe its no soo good like Alien or Aliens but i still like it and is a lot better than shitty ressurection in my opinion only big problem i have with Alien 3 is egg from nowhere
Killing off Newt and Hicks in that perfunctory manner was just a ham-fisted attempt at being all bleak and nihilistic. The whole franchise went to shit with this film.
3:38. I so understand, Michael Biehn. I, along w/ the rest of the entire world, was incredibly and deeply disappointed and very much hurt that the characters of Hicks and Newt were killed off. So very wrong.
I´m not trying to impose you my opinion , i´m just giving my opinion on this movie, besides there´s no Director´s s cut for Alien 3 since Fincher disowned this movie years ago , he doesn´t like it at all . What you´re talking about is the Assembly cut , which is pretty much the same movie with the same flaws only a bit longer
Alien 3 was total rubbish. The concept was shite, a space prison? Script was also bad and personally I didn't like their casting choices. Fincher is a great director but he failed to make this a memorable movie. Frankly they should've used more of Gigers stuff and at least kept Hicks alive (till somewhere in the movie perhaps)
I hate to say this, but once Sigourney Weaver was given some clout to do what she wanted within the franchise was where everything fell apart and has yet to recover. I place a good portion of the blame for the decline of the Alien franchise on her, especially Alien Resurrection. James Cameron was right to veto a lot of the ideas she had about no guns, and making love to the alien. Listen to his commentary on Aliens and he mentions this, as well as his distaste for what happened in Alien 3.
It seems like Sigourney had a lot to do with alien 3 being what it was...I have a soft spot for it because I had the comic that I would read again and again as a kid... didn't appreciate the Alien series truly until I got older. 1 and 2 was just so good... incredible films.
I'm heterosexual man, and have loved Ripley from day 1, but I'll never be closer 'crossing the floor' than for Michael Biehn (Kyle Reese and Corporal Hicks).
People can quit crying about Hicks and Newt. The universe of those films is very dark and it makes sense that Ripley would face the last part of her journey alone.
Killing off Hicks and Newt right at the beginning was a slap in the face to the fans and considering so many of us are still irked I think Weaver supported the wrong call.
My favorite quote about this movie, director David Fincher, "No one hated it more than me; to this day, no one hates it more than me." Considering how much this film is hated, that's saying a lot. Aside from the stupidity of killing off Hicks and Newt, I still don't know how you manage to make a boring Alien film, but he did.
I never felt like Alien movies should be depressing. But mysterious, scary, opressive, curious, discovery. Part of the problem is Weaver had an ego trip at the time and wanted creative control over things. Sharing the spotlight with a great character like Hicks was maybe not what she wanted. They ended up having her coming back as the lone survivor AGAIN. How about developing these relationships and moving forward instead of taking a big step backwards again?
if newt and hicks were survived the shit storm would have been scarier than the alien. like the inherited host traits concept. chicken alien, cat alien...alien alien= inbread mf alien but a cow alien- look out, its gunna eat some cud!
This is how the trilogy needed to end. I truthfully wasn't satisfied with the ending of Aliens as the final chapter of the story. It felt too upbeat; that's not the note that I think Ripley's story needed to end on. Don't get me wrong, I love Ripley (as long as she's being played by Sigourney), but I think this is the dark and visceral feel that Cameron didn't know how to capture, and it was a good tone to end such a story. An experience with the Alien creature should not end with smiles all around.
The problem is that the story is even more broken than Aliens story. There is no way for the egg to be on the Sulaco, it's impossible. So for Alien 3 to even work you just have to ignore it and accept that there is a Alien egg on the Sulaco, sorry but I can't do that. That is why I despise Alien 3 because I just can't ignore a plot hole that big. I could do it for Aliens despite the plot hole of the company already knew where the ship and planet was located before the first Alien movie took place, it was easier to accept that they covered up the Nostromo and just marked it as missing. But I just can't do it for Alien 3. It's not a bad movie, but the plot hole of the egg ruins the entire film for me.
snake2006 Maybe Bishop went off and brought an egg aboard the ship while Ripley went off to find Newt. Then he made the excuse that the platform was unstable. He IS part of the company, after all. And remember that scene where he tells Ripley the company gave orders to bring one back in stasis.
Monster Movie Maniac And he flew back to the Sulaco put the egg upside down near the cryo chambers, then got back in the dropship, flew back down to the planet to pick up Ripley and Newt in the span of a few minutes. Yep very plausible, NOT. Remember when they get back to the Sulaco from the planet, Bishop is ripped in half by the Alien Queen just after they land, so there was no time at all to plant the egg. Alien 3 doesn't work, no matter what you do to try and justify it.
snake2006 True. I haven't watched Aliens in a long time. It was made because FOX needed money at the time and they turned to the Alien franchise for help.
***** That wouldn't make sense either. Alien 3 should have been the movie that address where the ship came from or where the eggs on that ship came from. But Fox said it would too expensive, and yet if they spent the money to do that, they would have easily made 2 to 3 times their money back if it was done right.
The trouble with Alien 3 imo, was that so many fans had invested so much emotional energy in rooting for Hicks and Newt and they wanted them to survive so much, that after waiting 7 years for the 3rd instalment, to then be told, oh Hicks and Newt “didn’t make it” I think we all felt a bit let down! Fans wanted more character development and we ended up with a big fat zero, and most films are a lot poorer for not having Michael Biehn in them.
IMO...alien3 was disappointing. Seen at the theater with a friend..and for some time I was not allowed to pick the movies we would see. To me just a buncht of weird camera action, and people just running around.
Why are 2 videos from this playlist hidden? I was able to find Aliens episode 2, but not part 2 for Alien 3 here on YT, is that somewhere available to watch?
Dillon is the man of all prisoners, he fought alien by bare hands. i like this prison setting, everything is rusty, wet, cold, and dangerous criminals trying to stick together against their "Dragon", movie does have pretty good soundtrack too.
Sigourney Weaver has since changed her tune since then and here. Recently mentioning Aliens is her favorite story on Empire. How she Ripley has a new family Hicks & Newt all on same level understanding with each other. The Haters got what they wanted well enjoy chewing your Disney Junk when they wiped out the Yuuzhan Vong fools.
the only excellent ones are Prometheus and Alien, Aliens was pretty good. Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection were just a big blob of visual excellence, with no story, no merit and no purpose, whatsoever.
Alien 3 could be an awesome movie, a great piece of cinema but frankly the only positive thing i fing id fincher's direction and sigourney weaver. nothing else, the script was bad, the creature designe humble and poor compared to the awesome designes giger draw. there were tons of possible Alien 3 scripts better than this, fucking Fox !
Oh, I'm sorry little buddy. I didn't realize you were only 8 years old. No wonder you couldn't grasp the concept of this film. Why don't you just go back to watching AVP, and let the adults talk.
I agree. You can't put something in a movie just because you think the idea is cool or original. It also has to make sense and not to be a slap in the face to the audiences who enjoyed the previous film (I'm talking about Newt and Hicks). And the idea of making love to the alien... jeez, I actually think all of Resurrection is a bloody disgrace.
i don't like Alien Resurrection in 1997 and i wouldn't even called Alien Resurrection a Alien 4 movie because it doesn't even feel like a Alien 4 movie 😤
I love very much that they eliminated Hicks and Newt that way, audience didn't feel for their loss cause we didn't get to know them in this film, they were just faceless unknown individuals, Alien series is not a tv show where continuity matters so much, this is its own film where audience is supposed to forget what happened in previous films, and rather imagine their own films preceding this sequel. I'd suggest to start watching sequels first and go backwards, you learn how to watch films like children again, where imagination is far more demanded and challenged.
