The sub base at Bangor WA isn't *merely* home to a nuclear submarine... It's the base of the entire pacific half of the nuclear ballistic missile submarine fleet (8 SSBNs), plus half the Ohio class subs that were converted to carry cruise missiles instead (2 SSGNs). Bangor is also home to all three Seawolf class attack submarines (including USS Jimmy Carter which has modifications for launching & recovering ROV's underwater for classified "secret squirrel" ops & has been seen returning to Bangor flying the ship's "jolly roger" flag indicating successful "operational action").
@@Kieselmeister these are the comments we love!! Thank you so much for the information! It would have taken me a while to research the base & explain it to viewers like you did. Thank you for sharing!!
Oceangate hired an underwater communications specialist. On a previous dive, they were having serious issues with comms. The person they hired to help with communications was basically sent to the brig, and pressured into quitting. In typical Oceangate fashion, "innovation" overpowered safety.
Dude your dah man !! I spent my life in the marine electronics industry, commercial, military and recreational ....I'm extremely impressed with your depth ( depth ..lack of a better pun right ..lol) and knowledge across the board here !! The quality of your presentation as well it top shelf and your a natural at teaching and instructing !! Thank you !!!
Respect brother, marine electricians are bad ass and you guys help keep boaters, ships, etc safe out on the water 🤙🏼 thank you, I didn’t realize everyone would love these episodes. I’m a visual learner so I just try to share knowledge in an easy to understand manner. Thanks and be safe out there 🤙🏼
Dolphins are also being trained to bring trash they find for a treat. There was one dolphin that was always bringing trash. They got curious where's he finding all this trash? They went looking ...he had a stash! He was hiding a collection and would take one piece at a time for a treat, smart.
My brother was a hardhat diver for the US Navy and then became a Seal, so he had a few gnarly stories... Certain submarines have a compartment for Seals and other divers to work out of... It can carry minisubs that can tow the divers around and gets the divers in and out of the submarine. Apparently on completionb of a routine mission, the divers had entered the compartment ready for it to be filled with air and drained of water so they could reenter the submarine. Somehow the rate of air ingress of air and water expulsion weren't equal - the water was being pumped out too fast! This had the effect of lowering the air pressure so far that the divers were anoxic and passing out! Of the three men, one quickly jammed his arm into a valve wheel, so when he passed out he didn't fall into the several feet of water still in the compartment. Of the three divers, he was the only one to survive. It's hazardous work, for sure...be careful!
Much respect to your brother!!! That’s bad ass!!! Love the seals. I have a ton of appreciation for them. The dives they make are crazy too, diving rebreathers also as to not blow bubbles to the surface, etc. glad he made it out safe, those are some brave men.
Yes - I'd heard there's strong currents near the Titanic - anyone know, are the currents perpetual, or seasonal? Because, he's talking about portable imaging sonar and metal measuring transducers....so amazing - it's going to help these divers so much!
If there are strong currents as dr. Alan stern mentioned, well then they would be pretty regular. Only changing in strength in tune with the moon phases and the changing levels of high and low tides. Although in that particular location it could also just be one constant direction. When I dived on the meso American reef in Cozumel island. The currents were always pushing to the north. No matter what time of day or what tide. So that’s a great question which would take some research.
Love how the camera angle is like I just surfaced from a dive :P Also, mate, don't rush your content and don't apologise for delays. Take your time, even if the youtube algorithm demands speed over quality.
is it just me or was the talking ted talk dude talking about spirals and acoustic modems , his mic audio was terrible , (editing tip apply volume equalisation filter or something ) ,, SSPdive dudes content is very good you have good opinions , and not like that forensic analysis channel that seems to know nothing but the repeating what the news says ie if you have to say forensic in your youtube channel title , its a sure bet he probably isnt ,.
@@nottsork Haha yeah the ted talk audio was indeed rubbish, but that was the videos fault on not SSP's. Coulda maybe turned it up a smidge but wouldn't have fixed that guys mic going in and out constantly.
What I want to know is if any of the equipment located in the tail section was recoverable? Was there any audio-visual hard drives, external cameras etc? They crammed a lot into that back section including the power plant. It looked like a lot of it survived as evidenced by the ratchet strap still in place.
I think any hard drives were inside the vessel. There were special glands that allow wires to run from the outside through the aft titanium dome. I suppose it’s possible but not likely. Anything outside the vessel has to be crush proof remember.
Alright, so two things: 1. With their aquaphones and ability to triangulate and get accurate times, would the Navy have an accurate time of the sound they heard? I am skeptical that Titan imploded right after that last ping. 2. Since the Titan pinged its depth, location, and direction. I'm curious why this wasn't shown in the animated video of the decent. It may have helped explain the debris field. Perhaps the outer shell was spalling during that screw path. Perhaps the ping machine fell off with other shell parts or the spalling caused the machine to malfunction ywt the crew continued on their last adventure. It would explain some debris map anomalies. I would enjoy seeing both deep dive videos and investigations into shipwrecks and body recovery.
The automated ping, as far as was explained at the hearing, was about every 5 to 10 seconds, so getting one right before the event would be expected. The accuracy of the atlantic SOSUS net is still not public, but was intended to get anti submarine aircraft close enough to locate one of the USSRs deep and fast ssbns, so I expect it was within a quarter mile, which explains why the ROV took less time than expected once it was on station. I agree the tailcone spinning during the drop is likely, however the way it fractured leaves me pretty sure it "popped off" as the main hull was crushed, so would not have been any significant delay.
@@leechowning2712 Thank you. Looking at the debris map with this new information, it does help explain where things may have fallen had there been spalling during its spiral dive. This could also help explain if Titan did implode close to its last known position.
@@lordvlygar2963 the thing is that Titan had no "outer shell" the way you are thinking. One of the many cost cutting experiments with Titan was that the only part with an exterior "protective shell" was the exposed machine rack at the back. Anything "spalling" from the front section is literally the pressure hull. As the tail is nearly intact, and the pressure vessel shoved into the rear half sphere, the failure point had to be the front half sphere "popping" free as the inner lip and the glue gave way. I expect the spread of the field is due to the laminations each catching the water slightly different on its nearly 1,500 ft fall after the detected event... one thing I dislike about the USCG animation is that it gives the impression it was almost all the way down, while ignoring that (based off the SOSUS and ping data) the sub died at approx 11,000 ft, before dropping to the seafloor at 12,500 ft... he talked more about that in the last video... the heaviest and most streamlined parts dropped faster, while light and flat parts were carried by the current, which looks to be a NNW current due to how the parts of the hull fell.
@@leechowning2712wow 😮 and they thought it was cool to freaking tow that behind the mothership instead of having it on board a bigger one? Granted rhino liner is tough as hell, but for a quarter million dollars having the pressure vessel exposed to the elements for that long not to mention for 80 something dives I have to believe Stockton Rush was either profoundly cheap, in a lot of debt, or believed enough of his own bullshit, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a mixture of all three. I hate to speak ill of the dead, but screw that guy.
@@SSPDIVING Thank you so much for the acknowledgment! I, as many of your viewers, enjoy hearing about your experiences, as well as explanation of how things work underwater. 🩵
1:43 OUTSTANDING!!! My previous comments/suggestions may have contributed to your decision to expand this channel and really educate the curious-minded about what happens beneath the murky unknown. You can do this globally. It’s a field that is underrepresented at present. I’ve been producing digital content for platforms that are 10+ years established and sincerely recommend that you form a tight constituency early on. These patrons will ultimately be the engine that drives your future pursuits. Especially as the desire for interviews and more subject specific footage intercut into your videos becomes self evident. In the meantime you have an excited compadre over here and I wish you the best in excellence, moving forward.
Thank you for your support. You absolutely are one of the big influences behind expanding to cover more topics. I guess I never imagined folks would want to hear my perspective or I always thought I could talk about commercial diving and quickly run out of things to talk about. I feel like tying in my experiences to these events provides a very unique perspective. I’ll continue to test what folks enjoy the most and continue to fine tune over time. Next I would like to go over the Bayesian Superyacht tragedy. Thanks for your support, truly appreciated🙏🏼
@20:32 -- I'd add that, given Stockton Rush's attitude toward proper engineering, that he likely ignored any warnings on this dive (as well as not retiring the hull after dive #80). Unfortunately, there is no onboard recorder for the data from these sensors, so we can't know if this was an elaborate group murder/suicide (because Rush was controlling the submersible), or just a negligent group manslaughter/suicide. I think it's clear to everyone going over this data that this situation was, at best, negligent manslaughter/suicide. 😢
FYI: I’ve always been a very visual learner and thinker so your graphics are very useful for me and a lot of people to connect all the dots, as it were, between the scientific phenomena and processes at work and how each human’s involvement in the case merged to result in the disaster.
Thank you so much for these videos! Really enjoying your content. My dad was an engineer during the cold war. He was on the team that developed Sonobouy hydrophones. I remember it was super hush, hush. He couldn't tell us anything about what he was working on. He also worked on the NR-1 team before I was born. You should do a video about the NR-1, it was another experimental sub developed by the navy and the smallest nuclear sub built by the US Navy.
Thank you so much for the insight! And much respect to your father, he really helped protect our country and no one knew about it! I will absolutely look into the NR-1 if I can gather enough info for an interesting video I’ll make one! Thanks for the suggestion!
Thank you for sharing! I would be interested in more recovery videos after other accidents have happened,eg: how you recover pieces off the Debri field, similar to the Titan debri field if that is possible.
I wish they provided us with more ROV footage. I could talk through the salvage operations for hours 😂 there was a superyacht that recently sunk. I think that will be a topic in the near future. Thank you for the support and suggestions!
i’m brand new to the channel so I’d like to suggest doing an episode on the Hunley. During the American civil war, the Confederacy had developed the first ever as a means to circumventing the naval blockade between the Union and our allies-the French. I am willing to bet that most listeners/viewers have no idea about the Hunley. There’s a Hunley historical society that is a wonderful and wholly accurate source on the Hunley-it’s development, naval strategic value (or rather, what they hoped they could do with the Hunley. FYI: This is not my area of expertise as I am a forensic psychologist as well as a social psychologist.
Awesome video man thank you for teaching me a lot of new things today. Ocean gate is kind of old hat to be honest, but I think taking the channel in the direction of investigating marine accidents and talking more about commercial diving and more about how it works and also talking about plane, crashes, ship, disasters, etc. Seem pretty interesting. Thanks for going over the sonar on the Titan though. That’s been something I’ve been wondering for a while because you would see it and no one besides you talked about it can’t wait to see the implosion video. I wonder if a piece of carbon fiber could withstand the heat probably not unless it was suspended maybe? Like a two or 3 inch stick hanging from the. “ bunghole.” Lol sorry 😂 but that would be interesting. I was also going to suggest an old cell phone like a blackberry or old-school Nokia whatever you can get cheap. Seeing that freaking flatscreen pilots monitor from the Titan debris field was really interesting. Also, maybe some used CO2 cartridges. (used so they don’t explode from the heat obviously) but the way that implosion twisted that freaking oxygen cylinder blew my mind too. Great channel man definitely subscribed and turned on notifications and best of luck. 💚✌️
Thank you for the kind words, I’m glad you enjoy the content! You’re right. I feel like I’m a bit late with the oceangate tragedy. Next I want to go over the Bayesian Superyacht tragedy. An old school phone would be cool actually. I was thinking that and make an unopened can of like tomato paste or something. Thanks for the suggestions and glad to have you on board!
@@SSPDIVING oh the can of tomato paste sounds interesting (might be a little gory. I don’t know) and yeah, an old cell phone is perfect. I would send you one of my old like flip phones that I have but I’m sure you can find one cheap. And you might be a bit late to the ocean gate thing, but I’ve definitely learned a lot more from your channel than some of the other ones that were covering the hearings. I’m glad to be here, man. :) keep up the great work thanks. 😊
Absolutely brilliant series, thank you for sharing with us, just a quick Question?? Is it possible to install Black Boxes to these submersibles??? Sorry for the daft Question.
I haven’t heard of that but I think theoretically yes they can. The other thing is, in the other subs like limiting factor, Alvin, deep sea challenger… they have far more information being shared periodically with the support ship so in a sense they have all the information for a thorough investigation. But we know oceangaate and they didn’t seem ti be as concerned with that. I mean they’re relying on text messages as their main form or communications. Great question.
Yes there are thermoclines I think those are relatively shallows though. That’s why the SOFAR channel (around 1,000 meters down) allows sound to travel the furthest and the clearest. In regards to thermoclines if the signal is transmitted above the thermocline it could potentially stop at the thermocline. Also communications could be cutoff. We’ve had this happen on dives where we are using wireless communications to a scuba diver. The singals were too weak to penetrate the thermocline barrier. Sound waves in particular I’m not too sure how that would work.
I thought about that rust on the Titan remains that you talked about in the last video. Could it have been beginning rusticle colonies? The Titanic wreck is nearby. It would be easy for some rusticle bacteria to float over and take hold on the Titan remains. I don't know what they were eating though since Titan was made of carbon fiber and titanium. "A rusticle is a formation of rust similar to an icicle or stalactite in appearance that occurs deep underwater when iron-loving bacteria attack and oxidize wrought iron and steel. They may be familiar from underwater photographs of shipwrecks, such as the RMS Titanic and the German battleship Bismarck." From Wikipedia.
You know what, that’s actually the best theory I’ve heard so far. Although I’ve personally never seen it, i supposed at that depth there could be a high amount of iron although I feel like we would see similar colors on the sea floor. It was far enough away from the titanic to where the rust wouldn’t reach but in curious what the ocean bottom is like where the titan debris was… I feel like you’re onto something.
The other issue is the psychology of rush and his single minded obscession with what he considered to be his big idea. I have to say that 16 months ago I knew far less about submersibles than I do now, other than the Alvin. I can see myself falling for Rush’s patter.
I remember seeing the headlines when they were on the news here in Seattle and I would love absolutely gone on one of their missions and not even thought twice if I had the chance to go. I remember a fellow diver told me he got hired on at oceangate and I was so happy for him. This was back in 2021 ish.
OKAY i have a KILLER idea for the barrel implosion: heat the barrel up, then throw it in the ocean. that should do it pretty quick! get a gopro kinda close to it and it should be pretty impressive, with all the splashes. also, if you could figure out how much weight you'd need to add to the barrel to make it sink to the bottom, then take it to a marina or something so you could just shove it off a dock and then catch it imploding underwater while diving or snorkeling, that would look INCREDIBLE. might be a liiiiiiitle dangerous, but probably not terribly so, if you kept your distance.
doing some incredibly sloppy math, it would probably be 450 or so lbs to make it sink. and I'm not sure what heating it would do to the air, so maybe more like 500 lbs to be safe. that's a pain in the ass haha. maybe just toss it in the water on the surface.
35:34 i remember watching a video on here not that long ago about Keiko, the whale who played Willy, from Free Willy (a movie i was obsessed with as a kid, wore that VHS out) and that story sorta ends like both of those spy whales that just kinda showed up, confused as to what to do with themselves now that whatever program they're part of got cut. She just kinda. Didn't fit in with the other orcas, she couldn't speak their language. So she would try to find humans, wherever she could, and would do tricks for them or whatever. She basically died of depression and loneliness. It's one of the saddest things. 😭😭😭 The horror stories whales must tell about us, man. PS - 37:56 FRICK MAN SURPRISE JOHN KIRBY what are you trying to do to me?
Ugghh such a sad story. You would hope that of all the mammals orcas might be intelligent enough to accept her and rehab her back into the wild. Well, now we know at least. Did you hear about the (I thinks it’s) 3 orcas that were captive but they now live in Canadian waters? It’s like a huge bay/ sanctuary for them and I believe there is some form of underwater curtain separating them from the inlet. Over in Quebec I think. They were talking about it here when talks about releasing tokitae back into the wild was going on.
@@SSPDIVING yes i heard about that! i believe they had Keiko in something similar at one point (tho much smaller) when they were trying to teach her how to be an outside orca. probably would have been a better solution then patting her on whatever the equivalent of an orca's ass is and saying "good luck," but i suppose they either just didn't know what would happen yet, or they didn't have the money to do something like that.
@@SSPDIVINGbtw, really enjoy your channel! congrats on the monetization(?) the sign behind you seems to indicate that haha. at the very least, congrats on the success lately. i do have a quick q: so the radar systems in the bulbous bows that a lot of ships have, like that navy ship you were working on. i have heard stories that these can ping so loud they could just straight up kill you in some pretty terrible ways. like, embolizing your lungs and turning your brain into mush. or even worse, the sound waves cavitating in your flesh and basically just. exploding you. do you know if there's any truth to this? or is it just stories. and wouldn't that majorly mess with wildlife? sorry if this is outside of your wheelhouse.
Something I think might improve the demonstrations is to have grid made of tape or paint on the side of the drum to better show the lines and what happens to them.
I did see that and I’m surprised I didn’t see it sooner! I thought about dropping a jar inside but I’m not sure how the glass would react and if a cap blows will glass shards fly out… I was also thinking of a small sealed can make off tomato paste or something… TBD
At 12:50 he says that the messages travels with the speed of sound "[...] so about thousand feet per second [...]". However, sound travels far faster in water (> 4000 ft/s) than in air (> 1100 ft/s).
There is a famous video of a tanker car on a train imploding. They first boiled out all the air inside the tanker car and then it took a micro second for it to Implode. And that’s just one atmosphere
great analysis but before you post these you should watch back and equalise volume between insert clips and sections of your commentary. inserts here borderline inaudible
Okay so I have a confession… I left my mic on during the inserted clips and when I was editing you could hear my annoying breathing😂 I tried to edit the sound on those clips. I’ll admit, it didn’t sound bad with headphones on but today I tried to listen to it in the car and my goodness… it sounded horrible so my apologizes. I feel like the poor audio doesn’t capture what I was looking for in those clips. Sorry about that 🥲
Since you're really not going to be able to demonstrate exactly how big of a pressure differential there is, The difference between a vacuum and one atmosphere is not very great, I would say see about a water sprinkler device, to cool it faster and help it implode. The normal demonstration is a good one for demonstrating vacuum, but not how dangerous high pressure can be.
17:35 this man is out here telling rooms full of people SR used a Gameboy console to stear the ship...? It was a Logitech gaming controller - doesn't have anything to do with Gameboy. Also you called him Howard Stern - what am I even watching?? ACK ACK!
If there was a high pressure leak, there wouldn't be time for added weight, at the point the pings increased, the pressure was so great a leak would have been instant implosion.
@@SSPDIVING I'm obsessed with cognitive dissonance and what I like to call the Gorge Lucas effect, When people get to a certain level of success with risk-taking they tend to believe that it's caused by their choices but not for the reason that they are successful. Star Wars was a good example of creative desperation, the restrictions and technical problems made them more likely to come up with creative solutions. Jaws is another move that had creative desperation, to improve the original material. Einstein (who believed that god didn't roll dice, he was wrong), Tesla (who died destitute in a hotel he owed money), and John DeLorean (caught trying to buy and sell cocaine in a government sting, also tanked the Irish economy by making some of the worst cars ever) all suffered from assumptions about what made them successful. If you are right when everyone's wrong for too long, you start to think that you can't be wrong. In this case, hubris led to a safety culture that wasn't safe.
