Part One: The Darkest Episode We Will Ever Do | BEHIND THE BASTARDS 

Considering the last couple of years of listening to this show.....I'm utterly terrified going into this episode. So it's with the deepest, bottom-of-my-heart sincerity that I thank you BtB crew for finally letting Sophie go postal on one of Robert's intros and giving me this false sense of levity.

There's a real tightrope with how we process WWII. On the one hand, it's incredibly important to grapple with the horrific crimes of Nazi Germany, and it is important that Germans do so as well; on the other hand over-emphasizing the Holocaust takes focus away from the conditions that led to the Holocaust, which were also present in Italy and Japan as well as in many Allied nations. It also de-emphasizes the actual crimes of Italy and Japan. Modern Germany's unconditional support of Israel also shows that they haven't necessarily learned the RIGHT lessons from the Holocaust (though, to be fair, neither have most of the people involved in the Israeli government).

"The Darkest Episode We Will Ever Do" Oh Robert, your optimism is ever so endearing.

I cannot possibly describe my trepidation at the fact that the first thing that happened when loading this page was RU-vid just straight up handing me the Wikipedia article for the Holocaust. edit: Definitely a first in my life *but talking about the Holocaust would have been nicer.*

Title: oh no what's this gonna be? Context: oh fuck. Content: oh fucking god

14:16 -- That image of a loud, domineering man demanding the police do something into the phone only to politely but firmly refuse to help people on his doorstep the same night - while still feeling safe enough to stay in his dressing gown the whole time... He was too scared to help but he wasn't scared enough to put on a pair of pants.

Me listening to the episode yesterday: "I'll be the judge of THAT" Me like 45 minutes in: 😱

"The Darkest Episode We Will Ever Do" from a podcast that's constantly piping horrifying shit into my ears while i just vibe. you cannot shock or upset me with history anymore

The way I clicked this video so fast. I'm ready. Update: I wasn't ready.

Yes we finally get the real story about what happened in that alley on a dark night in Grand Rapids when "a friend of the pod, Jamis Loftus" took up the Hammer Of Justice!!

After about a year of listening to Behind the Bastards, I have just now realised that this is the Robert Evans from Cracked.

Robert, I"m at the 55:00-ish mark and after you slowly broke down how this foster system worked, I out loud said "maybe we dropped the nuke on the wrong people" and I really felt it in my heart.

I had this mental image of a man sighing and putting down his book before grabbing a Candelabra and heading for the door and I can't stop laughing at it.

"Citations: Hitler" is such a fitting comment for this particularly titled episode XD

@32:48 - The movie to which Robert's co-host is referring is WR: Mysteries of the Organism.

I think a case could be made that the reason Kentler put so much emphasis on the orgasm, and sexual touching in general, as key to the "streaming" effect he describes in his treatment, because so much of *his specific trauma* that Robert describes goes back to A. him wishing his father showed him (the appropriate) physical affection as a child, and B. his having made to feel ashamed of his sexual desires in adulthood. TL;DR: Kentler projected his own need for a daddy dom onto the whole of humanity, to horrifying results.

When I started the episode, I was like "I still think Georgia Tann was the worst one, but let's see". Queen Georgia has definitely been dethroned.

>title Oh fuck how much worse can it get... >Intro Oh.

How does everybody know about "a modest proposal" and not this?

There's a series of books about directors which are named "[name of director] on [name of director]" and it's fully possible that there's one for Herzog.

WHATS READY TO BE SAD FOR THREE WEEKS MY MEEEEEE Edit: whatthefuckwhatthefuclwhatthefuckwhatthefuclwhatthefuclwhatthefuck

never skip leg day it could ruin your child

Darkest episode? Yeah, it's gonna get really dark. Let me explain my family history with bit of dialogue between me and my German-born mom: Me: Tell me about my grandfather. Her: He was a Lutheran minister. Me: Was he a Nazi? Her: What do you think?!?

First episode that made me legitimately yell out WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK (around 55min in!)

I was listening to an Ursula K Le Guin story, Paradises Lost, and her space future has some similar elements to the preschools. It seemed creepy as a scifi story, it is crazy that it happened in real life

The conflation of Nazi thought with post-war conservative thought in Germany is even trickier. Many lukewarm Nazis turned to conservatism ideologically and gave it a particular authoritarian, inflexible bend and style. What they wanted most of all was "Ruhe und Ordnung" (calm and order). Questioning anything threatened to upset the shaky order - also the psychological stability of people with deep-seated self-image issues, as anyone would be after, you know, being a Nazi. There is also the seed of neo-fascism in that attitude: It was one heavily based on a past that never existed, the "gute alte Zeit" (good old time) of the 2nd Empire, embodied in the genre of the saccharine, overly romantic "Heimatfilme" set in picturesque rural landscapes. The "generation of 1968" had thick layers of ugly shit to dig through, and it's almost expectable that someone like Kentler would be produced - and countless sex cult gurus. My mom, being a little too young for 1968, still mistrusts several strands of sexual liberation because of the exploitative shit she saw in the wake of all that...

That intro almost made me spit out my coffee and I'm horrified to learn what could be considered the worst seeing the other stuff this Podcast has covered.

*you, in the future: "...ohhhhhh..."*

Been a fan for a long time, but this is the only time where I've thought "I need a few weeks break before I hear part two"

Part of me wants this to be a 4 part, but most of me is kind of afraid of hearing all of that. At least I get to spread it out instead of binging it.

my Oma was also born in 1928 Germany, and also had been raised with strict german discipline.

This is why the international community post-WWII needed to have _not_ given so fucking many scientists from the empire of aggressively backwards racists places to go that weren't prison cells.

Now that’s a title.

This ep raises many difficult questions but I think it's safe to say that when civilization falls into violence, it began with Sophie's violent attack on Robert's intro. Or maybe it was Jamie Loftus' last hammer attack...

Seriously watch out, folks -- this IS a dark 'un.

This title is horrific. I can't wait to listen to this at work

"You can't understand the shit Americans do without understanding how desensitized Americans are to violence." Me, a person who clicked through even knowing what the title of this show is: "Yep. Checks out." Edited to add: after listening to this whole episode, I was expecting worse, but...full disclosure, this was also my response after reading Blood Meridian, so...make of this what you will.

Happy Wednesday, everyone. A real banger of an episode. 🎉

Can't find episode 2 of "the man who invented Fascism" anywhere can you guys post it please

Love the series! Always a joy to have Margaret on. Probably an incredibly stupid question, what happened to the second episode of Forensic Science?

You know the episode is good when RU-vid adds a Wikipedia box. And also: Called it. Sadly.

: You really gotta love it when people use non-material analysis to diagnosis material conditions, it's SOOOOOOOO GOOD for everyone.

Also part of what makes this story so disturbing to me is like... I think it's important to be aware of one's weaknesses and stuff that could lead you to support bad things, and like, if I had every educational expert out there telling me that this was a good idea, and I didn't have people who survived sexual abuse telling me otherwise, I feel like I probably would have fallen for it. I don't KNOW. I like to THINK that I would have said 'Wait, but pedophiles have always existed, we should see if this helped people who we know WERE molested by pedophiles,' since that is the second half of 'Not having people who survived abuse disagreeing' part. I just can't help worrying that I might not have done that if I'd been there. Which similarly makes me worry there's something I'm not doing right now that in the future I would look back on.

The more I listen the more nauseated I get.

*Sees title The Darkest Episode Ever, sees RU-vid warning about "The Holocaust" at the top* Welp, this is gonna be awful, isn't it.

I always find these sort of things deeply disturbing as someone who's interested in youth liberation. Because on the one hand, I'm critical of the kind of age essentialism legal systems often use to disguise denying rights to children and rendering them a precarious population, as protection; I'm critical of the default assumption that kids are necessarily heteroasexual (asexual but on their way to heterosexuality); and I do think that children need to be taken seriously as actors (as a matter of fact, not ideal) in global labour markets, in cultural (re)production and in gender and sexuality discourse. It's always distressing to see things that start out close to what I believe end up twisted into just another tool for adult power to be wielded to hurt people without access to it, and it's equally distressing the way that often serves to rebuttress old arguments that act as if childhood divides were sepearate, innocent and logical things (rather than cultural constructs with consequences because of the power and mobility these tools hand to adults, and the protections [in theory] that it removes from them). It's kind of horrifying that legitimate critiques about the biased way in which culture is often more concerned with preventing childhood precosity (up and to including the UK government just proposing banning educating children under nine on things like gender and sexuality, or the blame culture that surrounds teen parents) than the actual problems of heternormativity (you can't have a social system that valorises youthful appearance without it generatoring p3do trash, because those are just the same discourse wearing two different shirts, and because bodies don't mature at a set rate), and we slide from those to 'Oh it's fine if I abuse these kids'. These disputes should have been about children having a right to own their own understandings of gender, sexuality etc without being told they were wrong/too young etc, and about adults also being able to express anxiety, confusion and a need for protection from the state, instead it got warped again into a load of adults generating power-via-academia over the people around them. Argh!

On the one hand, I don't know what I should have expected from that episode title on this podcast, but on the other hand jesus christ.

31:55 So stoked about the reference to orgone (which is also the name of a great experimental metal band).

Sophie has the most amazing laugh.

The title of this episode is accurate. Kinda wish I skipped it, but alas.

alright i'll bite EDIT: okay yeah that's pretty dark!

Oh god, im finding myself actually debating if i want to listen to these or not lmao

Can we all just admit we can't fuck our way to socialism?

I could definitely see the Western Allies leaning on the scales to ensure that very conservative, religious, "moral" people became the leaders of West Germany. After all, Britain and the US had a culture that was based on Anglo-Saxon, protestant prudishness. They also would have seen anyone who was a little left wing and secular as potentially aligned, at least in ideology, to the communist Soviet Union.

Every time I hear about these pdf file, it just happens to be in the 70s. They were basically platformed🙂

I dunno man, the episodes on Mengele were pretty fucking dark

I have been dodging a lot of episodes about children and medical history so by the title I'm hoping to gain the fortitude to go back and listen to those.

Okay, i know enough about this Show, that this title is scaring me. 🎉

I think there are parallels between the post-war leftists' idea that that Nazism=sexual repression and some current ideas that homophobic republicans are secretly gay and repressed. Obviously some of the latter are jokes (they got the whole squad laughing. hilarious. 😐😐😐), and while I couldn't give you a thesis statement, I think maybe there's some cause for concern!

Damn it. I'm about halfway through thinking 'well this isn't so bad, guy seems semi-reasonable' aaaand then the twist 😅 Of course.

Germany has been increasingly changing from 'were so so sorry' to 'what holocaust?' as of late I fear...

Interesting channel - I'll be back when things are less dark.

Sexuality is where there's still this huge conservative lean even among so-called liberals. Even Robert here drawing a line at "it's okay for kids to have sexual feelings." Like, what does that mean? Are they supposed to only have them for adults? Are they supposed to have them for peers with the potential they never outgrow it?

This is the BEST intro ever.

Maybe we can get away from the term child-rearing

I was honestly disappointed by how this same topic was handled in the episode on the Catholic Church in Ireland post-independence. Respectfully, I wish you'd revisit it with the same level of caution for how dark it gets.

Good *lord* these bastards are rancid. Title is on the money. Steel yourselves for this one.

Ding Ding Ding!

The worst part about this is that none of it is surprising.

This is going to be a ... good (?)...one!

Wilhelm Reich: Father of “Post Nut Clarity”

I reckon I might skip the next one. Holy shit.

Yay.....this took my mind off of.....other horrible things.....

Hey you should mention Marion Zimmer Bradley and her husvand and daughter since you are mentioning the Kentler experiments.

Oh eah talkin abiout austria, but boy did it took a while to bring up and work up the past, and i think he did in germany too , probably. Whats wiesenthals really thing he is known for is being basically being a journalist and educator, with loads off charm and humor. Great person, and he did just go when he found out a guy was a natsee officer he went to the work and said, or went there and family, and "hey just you know of that thing of the past, bye" He really wasnt concerned primary with going afte rpeople, but annoy them as good journalist and neve rshut up about what happened. With being good journalism and a mantra "i will bring up the true history, no matter what it is" . He also had a bit part in the zeitzeugen living witness project, and there. So a major impact on not only journalism inself there but also by being a stubbern threatened and cursed a lot at charming educator, and a funny one at that. Very nice. But also, he literaly refused to go becaus in austria he saw he could that do there best, And to not give his enemies the pleasure because he was stzubern as hell, making life not easy for his remaining family with him. XD But that shows people like him had to fought to actually adress the past and the ugly. Also wiresenthal has a very misleading nickname, he was a stubbern integer journalist and educator, not going after peopole per se, he just did annoy them with the truth. Also wiesenthal as good person non-bastard?

That was really good, but brb, touching grass.

it is possible the Jamie Loftus did commit a series of murders in Grand Rapids, Michigan... or not... YOU DECIDE!!! I think she did it.

I hope this doesn't mean a "Zack Snyder Bastards League" type of a literal dark episode

Which episodes should I listen to prior to this one?

clicking on this expecting it to be a deep dive into the crimes of aubrey graham

What does being "pro robe and cloak" mean?

Okay you got my attention

Huh I'm curious, how much you can shock me, considering as a German I grew up on this shit galore, but if this is supposed to be darker than the Nanjing episodes, I wonder what'll come. I mean you already did cover Mengele and concentration camps several times, tho I haven't listened to all of it yet. We'll see, how I will update this comment haha.

Fear. Only fear.

Kids and adults are just physically emotionally and psychologically on different stages of development that's why they sometimes have a buffer on consent laws for people in a few years of the entity in question . It's true for any one bearing either term unless their age ends in teen and really intuited reflexively. It's pretty simple I don't understand how they managed to overthink this one in so many otherwise enlightened societies throughout history. But it's kinda sad that they proved that they could find a way to go downhill from the 3rd Reich in any regard. I found no part of it more horrifying than the statement"That's the end of part 1".

Man that was fucking horrifying

"Objectively nuts"- maybe, and this is just a thought, because you can't spell "Nazi" without the "nuts" part in it...

The dividing line of evil doesnt care about politics. Every progressive will think their generation has the best ideas until 50 years later after taking it to their grave

I hope the forbidden intro is somewhere. Sophie may think it'll get you exiled from the Western Hemisphere, but I'm thinking Patreon exclusive!

THE REVOLUTION IS COMING! (I hope there isn't anything in this episode that makes me regret posting this comment less than half-way thru)

Wilhelm Reich was an Austrian

Someone got a sound effect board

Oh god, i think paul shareffer personally was still darker, but oh god, how. Why? Dont tell me it gets worse. Ok that cult colony was that horrific.

54:40 - 55:50 you notice how's he's still basically calling the homeless kids "useless eaters." Guess he maybe wasn't really as anti nazi as he thought he was 🙄🙄🙄

Oh. My. Fucking. God

Ah Elon's favorite topic with his new pals these days.

Love this show, but from the description, I think I’m gonna skip this one.

you had me at clickbait.

The darkest episode you've ever done so far.

Little bit disappointed about killjoy shitting on modern youth liberation activists by trying to associate them with this unhinged systemic CSA twice in this episode. From the descriptions of this guy it seems like he was more concerned with adult sexual "freedom" (including the freedom to commit CSA) and less concerned with actual youth liberation.