*It's difficult to accept that so many of these people are gone now...the audience, the 'Stars', the players, even the people behind the scenes...Fonda looks like a 'teen' to me, and he's gone as well* *'1964' was a pivotal-year in entertainment and culture, most of which would occur on a single night...Feb.9th, 1964*
Yep. Pretty much anything in black and white means its at least 50 years old. If those players are college age, its possible they could still be alive. Would make them about 80.
For "Deep" I think or would think that the obvious first clue would be "Shallow" said in that Passwordian way to indicate you are denoting an opposite.
Absolutely amazing how many contestants (all men it seems) on this show during the black and white episodes were "Stock broker trainees." Next to teachers, it had to be the most frequently sited occupation.
No I disagree, if you just look at male contestants, the most surprising profession that keeps popping up are clergyman, seminary students, military chaplains or university students studying to be clergymen. Where was Password being produced through much of the black and white era? In America’s financial center, New York, so hardly a surprise that you’d see loads of stock brokers or stock broker trainees.
@@alexrafe2590 - NYC had and still has MORE clergymen, seminary students, military chaplains and university students studying to be clergymen in its many colleges, universities, and seminaries as it has stock brokers or stock broker trainees any given year, so your comment about the show being produced in "America's financial center" (as if that was some kind of numerical advantage) doesn't support your argument - the NYC clergymen and the underlying network of schools and seminaries across the city has way more personnel than the annual number of stock brokers/ broker trainees. You step forward to "disagree," then sight a profession and its supporting network that has far more personnel in NYC, then claim it as being "the most surprising." Strange.
Well to begin with @@waldolydecker8118 I think if you took a poll of the general public you’d get fairly high numbers who would agree that New York is widely identifiable as not just a large financial center, but in fact THE pre-eminent global financial center. I don’t think that’s news to most reasonably informed people. What does surprise me is your questioning why that might affect the number of men working as or training to be stock brokers showing up on Password. Well Waldo I would have thought the answer to that is fairly obvious. It’s like this, in such a globally important place for multitudes of financial businesses, there are likely to be a much larger than ordinary number of men working and training in a financially centred profession like stock broking in order to support these numerous businesses, and thus providing a fairly large pool of potential contestants for a New York based game show like Password. Does that make sense? That being the case, it would likely make it fairly easy for viewers knowing this connection between New York and finance to see and understand the connection between seeing lots of stock brokers and trainees as contestants on Password and by extension lessen the element of surprise for them in witnessing this phenomenon. Voila. Now forgive me my ignorance, but I wasn’t aware that New York was similarly important on the global stage as a notable religious center, on a par with say Rome, Mecca, Canterbury, Istanbul, Salt Lake City, etc. Of course, it’s a huge city with, as you mention, many great institutions of learning. I was aware of that. And I have no doubt that they educate, train and school vast numbers of people for any number of careers and professions, not limited to but of course including religious and pastoral work. But returning to what industries and sectors New York is particularly associated with (like media, entertainment, publishing, retailing, FINANCE, broadcasting, film, fashion, etc.) I don’t think many would jump up and shout ‘religious center and pastoral training!’ in answer to - what is New York famous for? And therefore as the Big Apple lacks any particularly notable association with religion, I’m not especially bothered if I might have underestimated how many clergyman, and those training for religious careers, would appear on the show. Sorry that you find that ‘strange’, I trust you understand why I found your observation about the amazing number of stock broker trainees that appeared on Password at least equally odd.
@@alexrafe2590 - Dude, what are you talking about? I live in metro NYC and work in the financial industry; do you? Save your dissertation on the importance of finance to NYC for one of your family members who lacks the education, training, and work resume in the industry. The original post to this thread made no mention nor gave any consideration to "what NYC is famous for" or anything having to do with the "global stage," as that criteria was deemed irrelevant to the original observation. You subsequently decided to unnecessarily insert that criteria, which led to your "disagreement." Problem is, you were "disagreeing" with something that was never asserted. It was your insertion of "what NYC is famous for criteria" that is the root of your confusion. Your mistake was therefore twofold - (1) misinterpreting the original post, then inserting your own "famous for" criteria, and (2) being totally ignorant that NYC actually has more Religious professionals and trainees among its populous than stockbrokers/trainees. This is the rub. As an apparent non-local to NYC (and one admittedly not learned on its work force composition), you allowed yourself to get enamored over what NYC is reputedly "famous for," instead of actually knowing what the comparative worker numbers are in the NYC Religious and Stockbroker disciplines. Allow me to help. For your edification, NYC has more churches/houses of worship in its city limits than any other city in America (over 6100 as of 2018) with an extensive network of education/training/seminary institutions and students within it. No other American city rivals this total. This is true today as it was when Password was taped in the 1960's. At 83%, NYC also has one of the highest population affiliations with an organized religion of any jurisdiction in America. Other locales may be "more famous" for their religious endeavors - Salt Lake City, et al, usually because they aren't famous for much else. With over 15 million in its metro area, and a steady stream of national and international "best and brightest" flocking to it every year, NYC is a leader or major player in most fields, regardless if it's garnered "fame" in your mind in those fields or not. Summary and Bottomline. Fact: NYC has more individuals working in and training in religious fields than it does stockbrokers/trainees. Therefore, it is not statistically surprising that you claimed to see more contestants from the religious field than stockbrokers - clearly it may have been "informationally" surprising to you, given your prior ignorance of the above fact - but the respective worker/trainee numbers make plain it can not be a statistical surprise. Apparently we will just have to agree to disagree on this conclusion. If there is a saving grace to this colossal waste of time, we can only hope you are better informed that NYC is and always has been a major player in the religious field - along with all its other leading fields - whether or not in your mind it had a "reputation" for being so.
@@waldolydecker8118 ‘dude’ I refer you to your original post, which makes clear that your remarks about the number of trainee stock broker contestants on Password is based on assumptions and perceptions. And my response, following your lead, was based on the same criteria. What’s ‘absolutely amazing’ about how many appeared on the show unless it conflicts with what your assumptions were about how many you assumed would appear? I disagreed with you because the number of stock broker trainees that appeared seemed to me in this city crammed with financial workers completely in keeping with one of its major activities. Let’s assume that there are indeed more people in New York with jobs in the religious sphere than there are working in finance, as you so dogmatically contend. Does that mean most people in, let’s say America, if polled would say that more men in NYC were engaged in work or study involving careers associated with religion or with finance? I think it’s a pretty good bet that with perceptions of what New York is mostly about they would choose finance over religion. New York is in no way thought of as a global center for religion, whatever its actual standing in terms of number of religion students, seminaries, religion departments at major universities, etc., that it pleases you to quote. And these same preconceptions would likely color their ideas of who would most likely appear on Password. Your repeated argument against my response, based on supposed claims of real world data is beside the point, however superior spouting them makes you feel. And therefore Waldo, if anyone is wasting time here it’s you. By the way, thank you for your supercilious update about where you live and the work you do. Somehow this guileless Alabamian just managed to avoid buckling at the knees in awe of your greatness. Actually it’s a story I know well, as I too have worked in finance (though in my case in the City of London) for the last couple of decades, after completing my Master’s in Finance at Boston University, and post graduate work in economics at the Free University of Brussels.
Everybody talks about how “annoying” Palmer was. I think that’s rather unfair.. I find her quite charming and vivacious. I think she kept to the rules for the most part, was generally polite, and played the rounds pretty intelligently. But she was certainly quite “awful” in the lightning rounds, (she got much better at it when she returned on later shows.) Frankly, Peter Fonda’s “lightning rounds” weren’t any better either. Those lightning rounds can be nerve wracking as hell. When you are that nervous, you can easily mess up.
You finding Palmer "quite charming and vivacious" is why you either don't see or won't admit her constant annoying cheating, but for someone not enamored with her, it isn't hard to see. Ludden warns her nearly a dozen times on this episode alone to cut the preface talking and body gestures and just give a fuggin' one word clue. Exhausted with the repeated warnings at 9:55, he just says, "You can't really control Betsy Palmer...you just have to go along with her." Even after that politically correct warning, she still continues to act ditzy - nonstop talking when she shouldn't, including giving clues in "Italian" during a lightning round. Geez.
@@waldolydecker8118 Oh, she brought a sense of fun and frivolity to a show that had a tendency for mundanity. Allen Ludden had a soft spot for Betsey; most people clued up on inter-personal chemistry can see that. She was indeed always charming, vivacious and polite when appearing on this show. A breath of fresh air!
@@elspethcoogan1499 - yadda, yadda, yadda...dont' buy your nonsense. Plenty of celebrities brought a sense of "fun and frivolity" to this and other shows WITHOUT cheating the innocent opponent contestant. You do understand that both can be done at the same time, don't you? It is not necessary to cheat as blatantly and as repeatedly as Palmer does. Trying to excuse and justify it by hiding behind the "fun and frivolity" curtain is lame. Most celebrities on this show bent the rules by occasionally making minor gestures - its reasonable to approach the line or occasionally slightly cross over it. Ditz Palmer, however, routinely acts as if there is NO line or the line doesn't apply to her. Ludden constantly tells her to knock it off, but she has the attention span of a teenager and within seconds is right back at it again. You find it all "cute" but its doubtful her non-cheating opponents did or those who prefer to see the game won reasonably fair did. All she did was cheat the the innocent non-celebrity contestant opponent who came on the show and only had one chance to win fair and square.
@@waldolydecker8118 Why are you so aggressive? In the whole scheme of things (current worldwide crises) it isn’t worth you getting so uptight about Betsy Palmer..is it?
@@elspethcoogan1499 - Typical defensive technique when lameness gets exposed - immediately go off topic and try to make the issue the messenger and not your lame message. No problem. The original observation is self-evident....Palmer cheats the innocent opponent contestant. Justifying it as cuteness or "fun and frivolity" is nonsense since those can all be done without the blatant cheating; its that simple - has nothing to do with the "current worldwide crisis" (which always exists) or any other off-topic issue. She cheats here. Accept it, move on, and cut the lame excuse making. Geez. Has nothing to do with her movies. stage work or personal life - just makes her an annoying Password guest.
She never shuts up; Allen is ALWAYS telling her to just "give the clue" (on more than one episode). Allen gets SO frustrated with her, yet, he STILL keeps bringing her back :( I just don't UNDERSTAND how she became a celebrity?
That's because ratings went up when her episode aired so they kept biting never even considering the fact that the other networks my not have had anything interesting to watch.
@@davidevans3175 is that it? Here he seemed a bit shy. Shyness can be misinterpreted as many other undesirable characteristics. Therefore, I might have misjudged him. I just saw him opposite Brooke Shield in Wanda Nevada, and now I see him in a different light.
She always cheated in literally every appearance; it was part of her regular routine. Few will say so though, 'cause they think she's "so adorable." Not fair to the other contestant.
MY GOSH!!!! BETSY'S ANNOYING. Alan was VERY annoyed with her; she knew it and she STILL couldn't take the hint. Why he had her back on the show, I'LL never know! Well, maybe he reprimanded her after the show (one can only hope) Not only that, but she so AWFUL on those lightening rounds
Betsy Palmer is a charming woman and all but a bit of annoying of a password player. I think I'd like to start over and watch all the episodes over again just to rate each celebrity. Betsy would probably fair a D+ maby a C- while Peter would get an A-. There was one word I thought he missed an obvious clue on otherwise I would go an A.
@@kurtmorris454 I LOVE Eva Gabor. I hated her on this show. The first time I watched it, I was like, "I HOPE THEY NEVER HAVE HER BACK!| but then I saw her on Match Game, and I as really surprised at how GOOD she was on there. And even if Eva Gabor WAS horrible, she's a hard person NOT to like (plus, NOBODY could even hold a CANDLE to how annoying Betsy Palmer was)
@@kurtmorris454 Well, I've only ever seen Eva the one time (which was 6 years ago when I watched this), so I don't know about that. I just know she was HORRIBLE on here (but I LOVED her on Match Game!
