Pastor Mark Finley said this to all Adventists 

I agree with you Katrina 💯 and that was a good point!

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 That's definitely Strong Reasoning and I totally agree with you 👍🏾👍🏾

Did he say that single men should be heads of houses? Our district had single young men from teen years as elders instead of calling them elder in training which is what they were. We had an influx of single male pastors as well and the older women and some single men disagreed with that.

ordaining women as deacons, elders or pastors isn't biblical. 1 Timothy 3 3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; 9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. King James Version 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. You either follow the word of God or you follow your own lusts.

THIS WILL DIVIDE THE CHURCH BE AWERE

Amen! To God be the ruler and the giver of rules we are to follow, For a reason, We should not question His leadership. Don't forget He is our Creator. there are things God show us He wants us to know and do, but some are not for us to know, God knows us better, then we do.i personally don't eccept women in a role of pastor or elders, a woman prophet it's different, God pick them. God is our Creator and Ruler, amen.

Amen, Bro.... The Church is making it an issue because they fail to get out in front of these man-made opinions of society.

Friends, please prayerfully consider. Biblically, women have often lead in leadership and spiritual roles. Deborah was Israel’s leader in every regard: judge, military leader, and spokesperson for God (Prophetess) - Judges 4-5. Huldah was a prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in 2 Kings 22:14-20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22-28. She was a prophetess. The king sends people to inquire of the Lord; they inquire to Huldah. She spoke for the Lord to the King, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel did (Isa. 37, Eze. 20). Junia, a female apostle, is called “outstanding among the apostles” by Paul (Romans 16:7). Chrysostom, Origen, and Jerome also refer to her as a female apostle. Phoebe (Romans 16:1-2) is another “minister” (Greek: diakonos) and “church leader” (Greek: prostatis/proistanai) in the NT, written of again by Paul. These are the same terms Paul uses for male ministers and church leaders. As seen in Romans 16:1-2, she conducted church business. Below are more women leading churches, however here I will make a point. Historically, women have been regarded below men in society, however this is a cultural stance rather than a biblical one. It was a Samaritan woman Jesus used to convert the whole region. Recall that Jesus suggested Martha leave the kitchen and food prep, rather than go and do it as a traditional women's role. Women's cultural historical role is shown to be at odds with women's role in God's eyes: Matt 19:4-5 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?” Matt 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.” It is the same reason why a woman was made to drink a 'bitter' dirty drink in front of the priest and her husband to prove marital purity rather than adultery in the OT - because Women would be mistreated or even killed by the men, which was not extreme in their eyes; God provided this act for their protection. Above, Jesus makes a two-fold statement; the disregard for women is not God's plan, and male and female together become one; unified. If they are unified, and called one by God, who of mankind can segregate one as fit for service and another unfit? Continuing with women in spiritual and/or political leadership, Ellen G White is our SDA-accepted Prophetess. Whether one regards her as a prophet, or merely a christian writer, she delivered more sermons than most pastors in their lifetimes, written more in her life than any other Christian author, and influenced more people spiritually in the last couple of centuries than any other writer could ever imagine to, save for the bible authors themselves. EGW Preached, held visitations, gave spiritual advice, directed individuals and church leaders, held people accountable to God, interpreted and guided interpreting of the bible, established churches, and participated in as well as represented for matters in our churches councils. She's a major contributor to our church manual by which SDA pastors today operate. That places her authority above theirs, and they would all acknowledge this. EGW herself has performed every capacity of a pastor, to a very high degree. All that remains is to simply call her "pastor", and she would be one in the fullest sense. Who then is saying that women can not be pastors, and by what means? Yet we continue with a biblical argument, for any that question EGW's calling. Huldah was a prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in 2 Kings 22:14-20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22-28. She was a prophetess. The king sends people to inquire of the Lord; they inquire to Huldah. She spoke for the Lord to the King, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel did (Isa. 37, Eze. 20). Euodia and Syntyche, two women, are recorded on equal standing as Clement (a 1st century church leader) and even Paul, by Paul himself (Phil 4:2-3). Queen Esther was placed as leader of God’s people at a crucial time as the book tells. Acts 21:9 “And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.” 4th century Church Historian Eusebius mentions the fame of these daughters multiple times. Priscilla, wife of Aquilla, is mentioned first by Paul in 4 of 6 mentions; in a society that otherwise rarely will acknowledge women, this implies greater standing. She held churches in her home as a leader. Likewise Nympha led a church in her home (Col. 4:15) John addresses another woman of similar position (2 John 1:1, 13). There are many other prophetesses in the bible, especially the OT, which I have not mentioned. There are also multiple instances of women leaders who have spoken to God's leaders, on God's behalf, and directed or rebuked them. Wise women have saved towns and cities from destruction as recorded in the bible. For women to be recorded in scripture, despite the culture being so against women, is a very strong statement. Eph 4:11-12 “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up” Women are part of the body of Christ. Biblically, Can a woman lead? Yes. Can she be a spiritual guide? Yes. Can she instruct? Yes. Can she encourage? Yes. Can she give council? Yes. Can she visit church members or the sick? Yes. Can she give to the needy? Yes. Can she host church meetings? Yes. Can she be called an 'overseer', 'apostle', 'minister'? Yes, and women have these titles throughout the bible - these are the exact roles of pastors today. Thus, a woman can biblically be a pastor. If you systematically assess every role which a pastor can do, you will find biblical accounts of women performing every same role. We are unveiling new light from God's word, as EGW said would come. Gal 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Joel 2:28 “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.” (Also Acts 2:17).

It should not be an issue at all. I concur & I grew up Roman Catholic and the Catholics have this very clear it is not an issue for debate at all........

Paul speaks about this!!!

Thank you my Sister in Christ and fellow SDA. I believe that the Bible and Spirit of PROPHECY teach that woman can do many many important things as Christians and Seventh day Adventists to 1. SHARE JESUS CHRIST with others 2. Share, Study and Teach The Bible with others, not of our faith and with unbelievers altogether. Ellen G White a true Prophet of JESUS Christ did not ask to "be ordained as Pastor of the Seventh day Adventist Church" But guided by The Holy Spirit, and JESUS Himself, EGW spoke authoritatively and PREACHED THE WORD OF GOD with power, without being "ordained as a Pastor or Elder or Minister of the Gospel" which God has set up for men to do.

As far as I’m concerned that a much higher calling

@buddybentley3790 There is not an higher calling for a woman than for her to lead her family to God then others and not necessarily from a pulpit .

​@@DVGomesSo why do the job without the title? So as not to ruffle men's feathers because they want titles to boost their egos? Pastors' wives are called Sister Pastor or Shepherdess for what reason?

​@@soniapeart8756Isn't the same for a man? Shouldn't he be the head of his home leading his wife and children to the Lord as opposed to leaving it up to his wife to do because he couldn't be bothered but he needs the title to improve himself?

@@davidinchcliff4560 we have baby Christians who are still learning their Bibles who are being misled by corrupt leaders. There can be on doubt in their minds now.

@@_SDC EXACTLY. The Spirit speaketh expressly - through Scriptures.

@@davidinchcliff4560 EXACTLY. The Spirit speaketh expressly - through Scriptures.

Whenever the GC makes decisions that line up with Scriptures? It is the voice of God. When its not? Thats the subtle serpent. The same is true for every professed messenger of God.

Try reading Galatians 3:28

Gal 3:28 It has nothing to say about women ordination but there is neither a greek or jew when it comes to faith and being counted as children of God.

Did you also hear him say on a Q & A platform. That women as Elders in the church is not a hill for him to die on. This is just another form of roll reversal. These individuals need to stick to The Bible and let the chips fall where they fall.

@franktorres9373 I agree with true word of God. The pressures of this world should never be given an inch. The repercussions of this solid stand are definitely controlled by the Holy Spirit. We can never try to protect ourselves from the trials and persecution the Holy Spirit wishes to put us through by comprising with the world. This is Luke warm and provides opportunity for satan to influence. Jesus died on the cross completely. He decended into Hell completely. He arose on the 3rd day completely. There is no compromise. Stand for Christ with all we have and all we our. Even unto death. Thank you Braddon

Friend, that is untrue. I appreciate gender roles in society, however biblically, women have often lead in leadership and spiritual roles. Deborah was Israel’s leader in every regard: judge, military leader, and spokesperson for God (Prophetess) - Judges 4-5. Huldah was a prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in 2 Kings 22:14-20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22-28. She was a prophetess. The king sends people to inquire of the Lord; they inquire to Huldah. She spoke for the Lord to the King, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel did (Isa. 37, Eze. 20). Junia, a female apostle, is called “outstanding among the apostles” by Paul (Romans 16:7). Chrysostom, Origen, and Jerome also refer to her as a female apostle. Phoebe (Romans 16:1-2) is another “minister” (Greek: diakonos) and “church leader” (Greek: prostatis/proistanai) in the NT, written of again by Paul. These are the same terms Paul uses for male ministers and church leaders. As seen in Romans 16:1-2, she conducted church business. Below are more women leading churches, however here I will make a point. Historically, women have been regarded below men in society, however this is a cultural stance rather than a biblical one. It was a Samaritan woman Jesus used to convert the whole region. Recall that Jesus suggested Martha leave the kitchen and food prep, rather than go and do it as a traditional women's role. Women's cultural historical role is shown to be at odds with women's role in God's eyes: Matt 19:4-5 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?” Matt 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.” It is the same reason why a woman was made to drink a 'bitter' dirty drink in front of the priest and her husband to prove marital purity rather than adultery in the OT - because Women would be mistreated or even killed by the men, which was not extreme in their eyes; God provided this act for their protection. Above, Jesus makes a two-fold statement; the disregard for women is not God's plan, and male and female together become one; unified. If they are unified, and called one by God, who of mankind can segregate one as fit for service and another unfit? Continuing with women in spiritual and/or political leadership, Ellen G White is our SDA-accepted Prophetess. Whether one regards her as a prophet, or merely a christian writer, she delivered more sermons than most pastors in their lifetimes, written more in her life than any other Christian author, and influenced more people spiritually in the last couple of centuries than any other writer could ever imagine to, save for the bible authors themselves. EGW Preached, held visitations, gave spiritual advice, directed individuals and church leaders, held people accountable to God, interpreted and guided interpreting of the bible, established churches, and participated in as well as represented for matters in our churches councils. She's a major contributor to our church manual by which SDA pastors today operate. That places her authority above theirs, and they would all acknowledge this. EGW herself has performed every capacity of a pastor, to a very high degree. All that remains is to simply call her "pastor", and she would be one in the fullest sense. Who then is saying that women can not be pastors, and by what means? Yet we continue with a biblical argument, for any that question EGW's calling. Huldah was a prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in 2 Kings 22:14-20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22-28. She was a prophetess. The king sends people to inquire of the Lord; they inquire to Huldah. She spoke for the Lord to the King, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel did (Isa. 37, Eze. 20). Euodia and Syntyche, two women, are recorded on equal standing as Clement (a 1st century church leader) and even Paul, by Paul himself (Phil 4:2-3). Queen Esther was placed as leader of God’s people at a crucial time as the book tells. Acts 21:9 “And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.” 4th century Church Historian Eusebius mentions the fame of these daughters multiple times. Priscilla, wife of Aquilla, is mentioned first by Paul in 4 of 6 mentions; in a society that otherwise rarely will acknowledge women, this implies greater standing. She held churches in her home as a leader. Likewise Nympha led a church in her home (Col. 4:15) John addresses another woman of similar position (2 John 1:1, 13). There are many other prophetesses in the bible, especially the OT, which I have not mentioned. There are also multiple instances of women leaders who have spoken to God's leaders, on God's behalf, and directed or rebuked them. Wise women have saved towns and cities from destruction as recorded in the bible. For women to be recorded in scripture, despite the culture being so against women, is a very strong statement. Eph 4:11-12 “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up” Women are part of the body of Christ. Biblically, Can a woman lead? Yes. Can she be a spiritual guide? Yes. Can she instruct? Yes. Can she encourage? Yes. Can she give council? Yes. Can she visit church members or the sick? Yes. Can she give to the needy? Yes. Can she host church meetings? Yes. Can she be called an 'overseer', 'apostle', 'minister'? Yes, and women have these titles throughout the bible - these are the exact roles of pastors today. If you systematically assess every role which a pastor can do, you will find biblical accounts of women performing every same role. We are unveiling new light from God's word, as EGW said would come. Gal 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Joel 2:28 “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.” (Also Acts 2:17).

AMEN

Amen

Amen. The title is satanic, Satan want the title, he want to be God, us women are never satisfied with the role God gave us. Genesis 3;16 Unto the women He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; AND THY DESIRE SHALL BE TO THY HUSBAND, AND HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE. This punishment was given when Eve make her first and last decision making that was written in the bible, and the devastating results was and it has an eternal consiquences for others against God's plan for His perfect creation, God knew that we can't control ourselves when comes to decisions making, first of all, we were created as a helper, Genesis 2;20 And Adam gave name to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a helper meet for him. If we notice God created everything, Adam was given the honour of naming God's creation, and Eve was an afterthough? we as women were created as a helper, we can think of a lots of things we do to help, God gave us a great gift of nurturing that most man don't have, we always refer to as mother's instinct, God bless us mothers that gift for our role of helping man in God creation. In the bible, men are the head of the family, the Patriarch, never a woman, the patriarchal system was from God, we forget something, REVELATION 4;11 Thou art worthy, O LORD, to receive glory and honour and power; for Thou has created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. God creation been destroyed by sin as a result of Eve decisions, God still reaching out his love to us, sent Jesus to die for us, to bring us back because we belong to God from the very beginning, but we don't get it, we keep on pushing Eve against God's will.and plan, a title truly in the hand of the wrong man or woman it becombe a very dangerous weapon of destruction, We are happier, safer, healthier, and in peace when God is our only ruler, amen hallelujah amen. God bless.

What do you mean u are not SDA but u is a Sabbath keeper????u don't believe in the second coming of God ?

I would encourage you to watch some of Pr Mark Finley's sermons. He is well received in many many hearts...

@@linnettecooke7243 Remember, as an SDA, there much more to just believing in the second coming and keeping the sabbath. The person doesn't necessarily believe in the other doctrines of the church.

@Knife_Collector Same hereI, belong to the Church of God 7th Day.

@@gailmiller6333 Me too...

Dont remember where i read it, but EGW said that if women focus on teaching the children and our young women, as well as witnessing, they would have done a work so valuable as any other in ministry or even the critical work. Its our leaders double standards that are sewing discord. It is the equality act and fairness for all, government policies that 501c3 organizations, which the GC Corporation is that. And its these same policies that the LGBT hinge their entitlement claims on as any other.

Nicely said Stella, and ppl are adding to the word to make women eldresses. Next men will want to be Deaconess. Which there is no such word in the Bible!

@@jacquelynjackson95 Smile. Serious thing.

I agree my dear,let them grow together,the devils job is to make sure he opposes everything God says

Where is equality? Gal.3:28

Great 👍

Hey SDA members--I know you are disappointed and/or embarrassed by SDA nonsense associated with leaders and pastors. I get it. I've been going to church for 70 years. SDA Dan & Revelation seminars are basically religious BAIT & SWITCH programs to get people to join SDA Laodiceans and after they are in church they are criticized, by inept, poorly trained SDA pastors, for being tithe robbing, sabbath slacking, love-lacking, lazy, lousy lukewarm Laodicean LOSERS! Then after they have been berated, they are told to "finish the work" and tell everyone the "3 angels messages" to scare them with mark of the beast, Sunday law, close of probation, death decree and last plagues. Soooo do you really care if the SDA denomination CRASHES & BURNS??? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?? HUH?? Reply to this and I can teach you how to make a positive difference in this world & really be SALT & LIGHT...and have a real purpose for your life!!

There are very few real men left in this world. I'm grateful the end is near.

@@kew3922 AMEN indeed it's the final hour

Amen our salvation is near than ever let's pray Christ reign in us

That is NOT biblical. That means they laid hands on her.

Confusion leads to discord...SATAN loves that! GOD hates it.

Very truth

Biblically, women have often lead in leadership and spiritual roles. Deborah was Israel’s leader in every regard: judge, military leader, and spokesperson for God (Prophetess) - Judges 4-5. Huldah was a prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in 2 Kings 22:14-20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22-28. She was a prophetess. The king sends people to inquire of the Lord; they inquire to Huldah. She spoke for the Lord to the King, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel did (Isa. 37, Eze. 20). Junia, a female apostle, is called “outstanding among the apostles” by Paul (Romans 16:7). Chrysostom, Origen, and Jerome also refer to her as a female apostle. Phoebe (Romans 16:1-2) is another “minister” (Greek: diakonos) and “church leader” (Greek: prostatis/proistanai) in the NT, written of again by Paul. These are the same terms Paul uses for male ministers and church leaders. As seen in Romans 16:1-2, she conducted church business. Below are more women leading churches, however here I will make a point. Historically, women have been regarded below men in society, however this is a cultural stance rather than a biblical one. It was a Samaritan woman Jesus used to convert the whole region. Recall that Jesus suggested Martha leave the kitchen and food prep, rather than go and do it as a traditional women's role. Women's cultural historical role is shown to be at odds with women's role in God's eyes: Matt 19:4-5 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?” Matt 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.” It is the same reason why a woman was made to drink a 'bitter' dirty drink in front of the priest and her husband to prove marital purity rather than adultery in the OT - because Women would be mistreated or even killed by the men, which was not extreme in their eyes; God provided this act for their protection. Above, Jesus makes a two-fold statement; the disregard for women is not God's plan, and male and female together become one; unified. If they are unified, and called one by God, who of mankind can segregate one as fit for service and another unfit? Continuing with women in spiritual and/or political leadership, Ellen G White is our SDA-accepted Prophetess. Whether one regards her as a prophet, or merely a christian writer, she delivered more sermons than most pastors in their lifetimes, written more in her life than any other Christian author, and influenced more people spiritually in the last couple of centuries than any other writer could ever imagine to, save for the bible authors themselves. EGW Preached, held visitations, gave spiritual advice, directed individuals and church leaders, held people accountable to God, interpreted and guided interpreting of the bible, established churches, and participated in as well as represented for matters in our churches councils. She's a major contributor to our church manual by which SDA pastors today operate. That places her authority above theirs, and they would all acknowledge this. EGW herself has performed every capacity of a pastor, to a very high degree. All that remains is to simply call her "pastor", and she would be one in the fullest sense. Who then is saying that women can not be pastors, and by what means? Yet we continue with a biblical argument, for any that question EGW's calling. Huldah was a prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in 2 Kings 22:14-20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22-28. She was a prophetess. The king sends people to inquire of the Lord; they inquire to Huldah. She spoke for the Lord to the King, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel did (Isa. 37, Eze. 20). Euodia and Syntyche, two women, are recorded on equal standing as Clement (a 1st century church leader) and even Paul, by Paul himself (Phil 4:2-3). Queen Esther was placed as leader of God’s people at a crucial time as the book tells. Acts 21:9 “And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.” 4th century Church Historian Eusebius mentions the fame of these daughters multiple times. Priscilla, wife of Aquilla, is mentioned first by Paul in 4 of 6 mentions; in a society that otherwise rarely will acknowledge women, this implies greater standing. She held churches in her home as a leader. Likewise Nympha led a church in her home (Col. 4:15) John addresses another woman of similar position (2 John 1:1, 13). There are many other prophetesses in the bible, especially the OT, which I have not mentioned. There are also multiple instances of women leaders who have spoken to God's leaders, on God's behalf, and directed or rebuked them. Wise women have saved towns and cities from destruction as recorded in the bible. For women to be recorded in scripture, despite the culture being so against women, is a very strong statement. Eph 4:11-12 “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up” Women are part of the body of Christ. Biblically, Can a woman lead? Yes. Can she be a spiritual guide? Yes. Can she instruct? Yes. Can she encourage? Yes. Can she give council? Yes. Can she visit church members or the sick? Yes. Can she give to the needy? Yes. Can she host church meetings? Yes. Can she be called an 'overseer', 'apostle', 'minister'? Yes, and women have these titles throughout the bible - these are the exact roles of pastors today. Thus, a woman can biblically be a pastor. If you systematically assess every role which a pastor can do, you will find biblical accounts of women performing every same role. We are unveiling new light from God's word, as EGW said would come. Gal 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Joel 2:28 “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.” (Also Acts 2:17).

That is all very well BUT the church has not voted for it!

​@@rossilett4284 Certainly, however the church has no authority over scripture or God. 1 Peter 2:1-10 makes it clear: "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light." (v9). Surely we are not to pick and choose scriptures to apply only to men? There are valid and true witnesses and ministers who are not ordained by the SDA organisation - and I am talking about fellow believers who have positive relationships with us and do much good, not troublemakers. Moreover, other denominations have true ministers who are adamant for God's word - how might one otherwise understand God calling "come out of her, my people", if they are not actually God's people? Our SDA organisation has no say in one's calling by God, only in whether they want to pay them for it. Rather, after the organisation is convinced of new light, then it approves. Its voted approval is the last step of the process - not the first. Might we learn from Jesus' rebuke to God's leading people of the time, whom we are in the place of right now? Matthew 17:17 "Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you?" Mark 7:8-9 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions. And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!" Joshua 24:15 “Choose this day whom you will serve ... but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord”. In closing, there are pastors ordained in SDA churches who are not called by God, or have foregone their calling. Others work tirelessly for God, but were not offered an income as an SDA pastor. Heaven's record cares for your actions of faith, in truth and spirit, as your act of worship (John 4:24); not whether man approved and employed you. Let us all have our priorities of authority straight.

Using this same line of reasoning, which man was ordained in the bible and were the apostles ordained and what does if mean to be ordained

Using this same line of reasoning, which man was ordained in the bible and were the apostles ordained and what does if mean to be ordained

Totally sugar coating

@@ChristiannaGoyanes-id5op More like dancing around the issue.

MOST SDA are bible dummies. What do you expect??

Kindly give me the eg white reference where you get this quote. I'm note sure I know what Lt ms is??😅

@@headcovering782 Thanks for the interest. ..Letters and manuscripts Letter 192. It is also in Evangelism P 348 which is easier to find for some who have just books. Let me know if you interact with any SDA big shots...the leadership and education approach are way behind in quality control. They talk about finishing the work???

He is not even on the same page. In an earlier pod- cast he said women ordained as Elders in not a hill for him to die on. What does that mean.... He is for it. I will send you the link.....

To the person who said, "Mark Finley said something but the church did something else". Please, please open your eyes. Did he not say that the leadership has already placed women in leadership positions? These women may not be ORDAINED as such, but are they not in the very positions that they would be in had they been ordained? What's the difference? I believe that Mark Finley knows exactly what he is doing and what he is saying. He has been at this game for many years. In regards to your statement, actually the church has done EXACTLY what Mark Finley wanted it to do. Remember, actions speak louder than words. Mark Finley's words mean NOTHING. His actions are what is speaking. His example is what is speaking----"Place women in positions of leadership and of power." And the churches follow suit.

i'm so sorry my country is responsible for your sexism and ignorance. Sending dumb missionaries that were too extreme even for america.

Remember GIDEON story??? Too many saints in SDA not ready for battle. SDA is proud and gets glory, NOT GOD. SHAKE SHAKE

Yes, and that's not the only issue of compromise in this way. The SDA Reform Movement broke away because the church basically opened up to members to do ANYTHING they felt like doing as far as War involvement goes; opposed to the original stand which was Conscientious objection to any and all participation in War and Bloodshed, in other words, what is now deemed Conscientious Objector: the moderate stand now promoted is 'Non-combatant supporter of each local country's war efforts. Think about the inconsistencies in this stand alone. Jesus said plainly, 'Henceforth, my kingdom is Not of This World', and 'Put away the Sword, he who takes the sword will perish with the sword' . And right through the old testament there are hints that God didnt really want his people involved with war, He would have fouight for them if they would have trusted in Him fully. But they had little faith. Im and ex Reform member as you can guess but now believe we should be part of the greater flock who's main goal is to get the basic 3 Angel's message to the world, even though it has been watered down here and there.

They have no power in implementing GOD'S LAW GODS PLAN but they open the door to BREAKING GOD'S LAW GODS PLAN That's the SDA GENERAL CONFERENCE They have to ask themselves are they sewing TARES or WHEAT I hope we have a person who FEARS AND LOVES GOD A whistle blower on the GENERAL CONFERENCE

@@garysouthwell5762 All I'm doing is providing my opinion, for what it's worth. I know there are good men in the church structure and I can certainly see how these times are difficult on leadership. Talk is cheap. By not holding the line things will continue to get worse. That is not condemning anyone. On the other hand, I don't see anything in the Bible or EGWs writings saying the SDA church is or will become Babylon. And yes, by you coming out that's exactly what you believe.

​@@Simon-Simon-Simon I'm sorry but the GC is there to provide leadership and guidance to the church. Not as some mid-evil popes but as Moses did. The church has voted on women's ordination and it was rejected by the church at large. And you see these Pastors going their own way? Really? You don't think that damages the church and its members? If these pastors feel that strongly let the start their own church. The same with the queer movement. We hear the talk but no walk. It's almost like leadership is trying to appease the rank in file and encourage these Pastors ordaining women at the same time, by saying nothing.

I agree with you 100%.

What's can we find the BIBLE'S STAND ON ORDINATION OF WOMEN as ELDERS and PASTORS. Is this issue a matter of m en's choice?? Then won't we have to REVISIT the CHURCH'S STAND ON LGBT...."CHOICE"????? Where GOD CAN BE A "HE" or "SHE"!!LET'S GET BACK TO THE SANCTUARY!! THE BIBLE!! SPIRIT OF PROPHECY Was ELLEN WHITE ORDAINED??

​@@dorretteanderson4648If sis White was a prophet, why would she be ordained 🙄

@@kcjoseph2838 She was NEVER ordained by the church. Her ordination was from God just like other women prophets.

@@martinlohne5128 I am completely aware of that!

Are these women married ?

@@user-bj5ly5zi4v ...and your point is what??? We don't keep women from marrying if they choose to enter any ministry for God. That is mostly found in the Catholic Church. Some say they are reconsidering that requirement due to the many instances of molestations of young males by priests and popes, etc.

The ordination of that woman did not exemplify the sacredness and solemnity of ordination. To me it seems to be outright rebellion of World church leadership.

If possible, I would like some proofs regarding this statement. Thank you in advance.

To say that we are to obey the Conference in all things is nothing but Papal doctrine. "YE SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME" saith the Lord.

Thanks well said and might I add. In a society that ostracised woman in a most cruel way Jesus went out of his way to lovingly support and encourage them, yet so many of us who take the name of Christian upon ourselves are still willing to show our contempt for our woman folk. Shame on us.

Deborah was a Judge in Israel and she was a woman. I'm not sure about this because it was from this year that I'm now hearing about this.

Maybe you don't understand the male dominated inner sanctum of latter day Pharisees that run the denominations to make sure the ship keeps the straight course and avoids running aground on contentious issues of spiritual gifts ,religious thuggery exists in most denominations with the men in leadership leading the charge from the highest to the lowest ,these are FACTS,ALL THE TIME CALLING THEMSELVES FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST,observed with over 40 years of observation! It will never be any different until CHRIST RETURNS!

This is only your thoughts and not what the Bible says

@@ManegiFumo-rc7nb like all religious Pharisees you wouldn't know christ if he came and stood next to you!

You are quite mistaken. They certainly do ordain women to be pastors but they also at times "commission" women to be pastors. A commissioned woman has the same privileges as an ordained man. They can baptize, etc.

How does that make sense?

Same difference

AMEN you know what I have been having the same thoughts we should be striving after having the faith of Christ now and his character and gather strength from other people's apostasy the Bible and the spirit of prophecy are clear many will go out from us and our prayers individually is not to be among this fold, the church will be split into two those who have the faith of Christ and keep his commandments and precepts and those who don't we are in the judgment hour, let's agonise ourselves before the throne of mercy confessing every sin and asking God to make us new creatures for God will have are people in whom there's no guile. have we reached this state it's me tremble when i see my wretchedness blessed are those who have and this women ordination and homosexuality stuff may enable us to think these are the only sins so offensive in the sight of God while our lives also are wanting in God's scale and I believe this homosexuality stuff is also going to be among the reason they going to use to impose the mark of the beast upon the world and they are going to say that because people haven't been going to church have reached this state and they going to impose morality on us by the same people who contribute and supported this mess and church and state will come together because of popular demand by the people to enforce Christian morals by force which should be voluntary to follow God's precepts because they are just and good because they are for our happiness and security, God bless you from Zambia

More SDA contaminated by culture

@ChrisDaniel-xy7ly What does the prophesy say? Where can we read of a church called the SDA in the Bible?

Tell me something else. Is a person that's baptized by a women holding the illegitimate office of ordained minister or elder really baptized?

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