@@jabobok786 The Bears never had a QB throwing over 4000+ yards before. Meaning that Andy Dalton has more 4000+ yards than any Bears qb without even playing there. Edit: Jay Cutler also had 4000+ without the Bears
Josh Allen's success is due to a lot of patience and trust given to him by the Bills organization. If he had gone to the Jets, that city would have eaten him alive.
Sam darnold is not a good qb. He’s had damn near perfect halves and then play horrible the rest of the game. So given that, you cannot blame the Jets organization. I never seen so many people in my life defend a trash player.
@@magicmuffin247 Situation matters for almost all NFL players not just QBs. Look in 2005 Aaron Rodgers avoided that mess in San Francisco that Alex Smith got he would’ve never survived that trash HC Mike Nolan and different 5 OCs before Him Harbaugh.
@@td1253 If Wilson is a bust that would be a referendum not only on Douglas but also the coaches. I am not worried about it because i really feel like we got the right coaches this time around.
Pennington was killing it before those 3 rotator cuff injuries. Herm Edwards, Pennington, Curtis Martin, Wayne Chrebet. That's the Jets team I grew up on. It was fun.
Dolphins fan, I always liked Pennington (even before he played for us). Totally agree that those injuries derailed what would have been an amazing career.
Vinny T was neighbors with my parents when he was in Tampa. On Halloween, he walked around with a mask on so nobody knew it was him. People would walk right by and say “that’s Testaverde’s house” right in front of him.
Chad Pennington was not bad he just could not throw it pass 20 yards. He essentially was an injured war beaten Drew Brees's throwing arm before Drew Brees.
“The New York Jets’ history with quarterbacks is one that nobody would ever talk about publicly in a positive fashion if they had all the information” lmfao
Chad Pennington was great. Vinny Was great . I guarantee if the Jets never got rid of Chad , the Jets would have won a super bowl in 2008, 2009 or 2010. Chad was a franchise QB.
@@From-North-Jersey what’s criminal is your biased inaccurate and out right lies . Also parcells was the Jets Gm. You know, buying your own groceries. As for Chad the Jets never forced him to play injuries.If he did , that is because he is a warrior and the ultimate team player.
@@From-North-Jersey then you would know the Jets were constant winners from 97 to 2013. Bill Parcells came in and changed the culture for 15 years. Between the Years of 2008 to 2010, if the Jets kept Chad, they would have won multiple super bowls( or at least one if Favre never got hurt in 08). Hate all you want , but you are wrong . What I said are simple facts.
As a Patriots fan I can’t believe I’m going to say this. But, Sanchez was on the Jets team that went to back-to-back AFC Championships in 2010 and 2011.
@@colecooper5836 the problem is- the 14-2 Colts of 2009 and Steelers of 2010 were stacked too and they had Peyton and Big Ben.Lets say the rosters are even(even though Colts and Steelers were slightly better)- it comes down to Peyton vs Sanchez and Big Ben vs Sanchez.9times out of 10 Jets will lose that battle
Remember when Belichick fled the Jets organization because he thought both of the potential new owners would be god awful and ruin everything? Sure seems like he was right.
Stop making things up! He quit because he didn't know the new owner of the Jets and if his future would be secure. He did know Kraft after working with him before, and Kraft gave him full control.
@@joeb5358 He also quit because his appointment was a sham, Bill Parcell's resigned as head coach to trigger a clause in Bill's contract giving him the position and requiring him to stay. Parcell's lorded over Belichick since the Giants, and would never give Bill the credit or free hand. Plus Bill Parcells hated Robert Kraft, and wouldn't allow him to talk to Belichick, and wouldn't even tell Belichick Kraft was interested. At the same time, Parcells left the Patriots under similar conditions. This started a blood feud with the Jets that including them taking Mangini, and then the bogus spygate accusation. And the NFL front office which included former Jets execs continued their hatred of the Patriots with the bogus Wells investigation. So the football gods are punishing Jets with bad QB's. I was once a Jets fan, but fortunately abandoned them when they moved from Shea, to NJ. Also know people who worked in Jets front office, and there are many untold stories about the feuding with the Patriots.
These guys weren't bad QBs they were QBs that the jets RUINED. 1 or 2 could have been bad but this has been EVERY SINGLE ONE. It is the jets and not the QBs that were/are bad.
You're a clown if you think the Jets ruined all those qbs. A lot of those guys had their own limitations as a qb and just sucked. Just looking for a reason to clown on the Jets further
Even after his injuries , he still had the Jets winning . Hell if they kept him, the Jets could have won the super bowl in 2008, 2009 or 2010. I guarantee in the those years , the Jets would have at least won 1 Super Bowl.
@@robertlawrence4719 I agree. If Pennington had the defense the jets had on 09, they would have def made the afc championship and most likely the Super Bowl. Pennington already had the confidence to beat the patriots from 2006. So the Pats wouldn’t have stopped them.
He was damaged goods coming out of college. The other injuries reduced his effectiveness. I saw the difference between him and Brady during the AFC playoffs; Brady at that time could get a pass downfield 30-40 yards and 15 yard out routes. Pennington struggled with that. That makes the difference between converting a 3rd and long into a drive sustaining first down and having a drive stall and forced to punt. The most accurate passer the Jets had was Ken O'Brien; the best QB the Jets had since Namath was Matt Robinson. But he fucked up his relationship with the coaching staff and they went with Richard Todd instead.
Testaverde was that 90's era gunslinger that gave you a 50/50 shot to win. He could put 50+ points on the board but he'd give up that many interceptions too lol. And this isn't hate on Testaverde, his Ravens Jersey is one of the few on my wall.
This just shows what a great coach Rex Ryan is, taking this shitshow of a franchise to back-to-back AFC Championships with none other than Mr. Buttfumble himself at QB!!
He is a fantastic defensive mind however his coaching style also led to extremely undisciplined teams. He should really be a defensive coordinator somewhere
Those were mostly Bradway and Tannenbaum’s draft picks developed by Herm Edwards and Mangini. Rex brought the defensive scheme and attitude, but his brand of culture was unsustainable, he wouldn’t go to bat for his coaches or players if it posed him any real risk, and he never paid any attention to the offense or the development of Sanchez. He deserves credit for his success and blame for his failure equally
Chad Pennington is incredibly underrated watching him with curtis martin and that offense made me a jets fan. His issue was he destroyed his throwing shoulder and it killed his arm strength.
Isn't Danny O the qb that ran outta the back of the endzone but didn't know he did and was looking down field for his WRs!?!? 😂😂 He played fir the Lion's that yr!
Ding ding...he would've gotten smashed that play but the defender noticed Dan Orlovsky was running out of the back of the end zone before Dan did and started looking at the ref with his hands up to signal a safety.
@@Cassaelet Then why not just throw the ball or drop it. His eyes were downfield looking for a wideout but the heat of the moment and running for your life so a 400 lb guy doesn't take your head off i can see why he might not of known! I wasn't knocking the guy hell he made more on that play the most ppl do in a single year...
@@Cassaelet Yeah, I was at that game in Minneapolis. Jared Allen was pointing and according to his radio show busted out laughing about it immediately while still chasing him and pointing. Was pretty surreal to watch.
If Jets want to feel better look at the horrors Bears fans have endured. You had Joe Namath...Jim McMahon was healthy for about 2 seasons and he's our QB legend.
I'm not a jets fan but what would you guys choose to do? I'm a giants fan bit if I were the 'm of the jets I would have kept Darnold and drafted Pitts. Thoughts?
Did the Jets also generate this graphic? Why does it zig-zag chronologically from left-to-right? Is that how they're reading things up there? That would explain a lot of things.
I told my friends recently I'd love to have seen Darnold with Rex and then this new setup, though Darnold may not have failed enough to ship out with Rex to begin with
Looking back, maybe. Dude was a 1st overall pick and Heisman trophy winner coming into the league, and ended with a very Ryan Fitzpatrick "esque" career.
@@bnbtwjdfootsyk nah he was much better than Fitzpatrick. He played the bulk of his career with browns and bucs. Fitz has played for more than half the teams in the nfl
AS a Jets fan. I know this. We know this. I argue though. Joe Douglas is the best GM we've had in a long time. He wants to build culture. We're building a team that will support a qb
@@robertlawrence4719 it’s so annoying cause the Jets are set up better than anyone in the league with picks to rebuild a team and they act like it doesn’t mean anything cause it’s the “same old Jets” just like the browns until last year idiots
@@jonnyhudson3052 I love what JD is doing . I have zero complaints. Build through the draft , low cost , mid tier free agent signings . I like it. I just wanna show tannenbaum some love . As he did help build the juggernaut Jets team 2008-2013. If he simply kept Chad , the would have won a super bowl. As Favre got hurt and Sanchez was a turn over machine.
Jd has just continued the fire sale at this point which the past 3 gms have done. These next two drafts will define him. Can we please cool our Jets until then lol
@@jonnyhudson3052 dawg, the team sucks and has sucked for a long time 😂, you can’t be mad as a fan that everyone has no expectations for a historically pretty bad franchise. and hypotheticals isn’t going to get the team respect. they need to finally draft the right guys throughout multiple years and actually win to earn it. until the jets draft guys who actually succeed, they will continue be known as the “same old jets.” lmao
Well, since they do actually have one and access to another the video would be longer than you think. But you have to understand that I am factoring in that you do actually have the ability to think, which I am not entirely sure is the case.
@Nathon Richardson our HC was an arena league QB, better know the QB position, and David Montgomery finished top 5 in rushing attempts last year :/ but we played two QBs, I feel like if we just went with Trubisky he would have done better
That Hard Knocks season with the Jets was the reason I became a fan. That and they seemed like the team closest to playing rugby(run the ball and play defense). I love me some Sexy Rexy
I’m just reminded the Bears signed Sanchez and McCown. Actually my first live NFL game was Jets @ Bears 2010, White Christmas in Chicago (saw Tron: Legacy at Navy Pier IMAX, True Grit at River East) and met Coach Lovie at the Hilton on Michigan. The fan walk to Soldier Field, the fricking cannon of Cutler, the interception by Harris to seal it. I loved it. (Shame the following year was the Johnny Knox/Seahawks game felt unreal).
Jets fan here. N it’s the fact that we will be the all time greatest underdog story! I just hope I can see that story in my life time, in joe we trust. J-E-T-S JETS, JETS, JETS
Pennington was a legit starter that the Jets squandered all those years, especially with the momentum Testaverde was starting to build before his age bit him.
As a jets fan, you would not believe how awful it has been being hyped up to get guys like Jamal Adams, Robby Anderson and other key pieces and seeing them being pissed away because our admin is so bad. Hope we can do good with Salah, he has a big weight on his shoulders though.
Chad Pennington would be in the Drew Brees and Brady conversation if he did not get his shoulder destroyed four times. He was borderline top 5-10 even after his shoulder was toast.
@@prod.drewuplife3575 check out Marks playoffs numbers , they’re better then some of the greats .. Mark had some of his best games in the playoffs he also beat Brady , Manning and rivers in the playoffs
Not to mention that Vinny's career resurgence was cut short with the Jets because of that achilles injury. They can't catch a break at all at QB lol Favre came in playing really well and they were something like 8-3, then his elbow flared up and he (along with the team) came crashing back down to earth.
My high school fb coach, coached Vinny in high school. One day Vinman came down to our practice while he was with Tampa. Once he became a Jet - I became a Jets fan.
The problem is that Jets bring in crappy options for QBs, or temporary starters. I love Fitz and McCown, but they were never meant to be franchise qbs.
The W-L stats in the Sanchez era don't do enough justice to the fact that the Jets had 2 miraculous playoff runs in 2009 and 2010, culminating in consecutive AFC title game appearances.
@@maxolson1168 he was the most talented qb we have had in a while but he had a work ethic that would make me and my procrastinating ass look like I had the work ethic of Tom Brady
Non bears fan here. How the heck did they manage to hide their absolutely terrible running game, as a QB controversy the past two years while throwing trubisky under the bus? Like first 11 games last year with only 2 total rushing TD's, and 6 of those games they were held to under 100 rushing yards. Not saying trubisky is great and all but had a better rushing average than the starting RB who had less than 3 yards per carry at one point.
@@kevinthejuice as a bears fan I can confidently say that our offense was putrid (I watched every game Trubisky has played). What us bears fan see is that Trubisky is very late and at times refuses to throw balls into open windows. There are so many times where he has a receiver open but he is to scared to throw it. The running game definitely didn’t help but he was also very bad
As a Jets fan I’ve learn to just take the punches as they come because while the Jets have made many many MANY awful and stupid on and off the field decisions, every bit of success we’ve had is always countered with “yeah but the Butt-Fumble” or something trivial of that nature. I mean yeah a lot of these QBs sucked with us but guess what? A lot of them would have sucked for most franchises.
I'm still mad at Pennington and the Jets for knocking my Colts out of the Playoffs back in the day. If he hadn't been injured, we'd be talking about him in a whole different light.
Jets front office take Qbs rather than building protection for them. Sanchez was running for his life in his final seasons with the jets as were a lot of them. its comical at this point.
Vinny Testaverde is my favorite terrible QB of all time. He was the 1st overall pick by the Buccaneers in 1987, which was the reason why the 49ers could trade for Steve Young. He had one of the worst seasons EVER in his sophomore season. (222/466 (47.6%) for 3240 Yards, 13 TDs and 35 Ints, 48.8 passer rating) He was the QB when the Browns won their last playoff game before this year. He was the last starting QB for the old Cleveland Browns before they moved to Baltimore and the first for the Ravens. He lead the New York Jets to an AFC Championship Game. He still holds the record for most consecutive seasons with at least one TD pass. (21 seasons) He holds the record for the most losses as a starting QB. He absolutely fascinates me.
Reich was 1-6 that year. He didn’t start all 16 games. O’Donnell was 0-6 and Foley was 0-3. As a Jets fan I remember that season all too well. The lone bright spot was the game against the Cardinals, thanks to Adrian Murrell.
11 QBs over 25 years, and it's not like there was any statistical outliers like "so and so was QB for 10 years"... biggest consecutive streak being Mark Sanchez at 4 years is pretty damning
We had Parcell. You can't forget how good they were with Parcell. Rex Ryan (who I loved), cooked the meal from the groceries that Parcell brought. QB Lucas converted to quarterback when Testeverte went down went 8-8 as a never was back up QB.
*_When people ask me why I'm a Jets fan..._* I tell the because my father use to beat me and I miss the sensation of having someone you love hurt you every Sunday 💔
One of my few childhood memories: "Mom! The game's not over. Why are they switching to stupid Heidi?" Face it, we're still paying for The Guarantee. Matt Snell's GREAT nephew is running for the Steelers. It's been three GENERATIONS since The Guarantee. This is the Jets. Does anybody really think it will work out well?
Don’t forget the 2019-2020 season when Darnold got Mono and the Jets finished 7-9 and missed the playoffs. They lost to the Dolphins who were 0-7 at the time and the Bengals, who were 0-11at the time. If they won those games they had a chance to get into the playoffs so they could lose in the wild card round.
As a Bears fan I'm at a loss when considering that in that same 25 year span, Green Bay has had two HOF super bowl QBs while the Bears have had 84 QBs start at least one game. And Cutler is statically the greatest QB in their history; let both of those sink in SMH
People forget that Josh Allen wasn't supposed to start as a rookie. Nathan Peterman was a superstar in preseason, and was supposed to do the job. Then, 17 INTs in 2Q of W1, and Josh has to be pushed out there.
The only thing they haven't done is get their own stadium with no other teams. Everything else has changed in the last 25 years. Owner, building, uniforms, stadium site, GM and coach.
