Path of Exile 2: What Early Access Versus Closed Beta TRULY Means 

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Almost 12 years ago I paid 10$ to access the Path of Exile closed beta. Best investment ever !

Will absolutely buy their supporter pack for POE2 when it launches, these guys deserve it. Hopefully my purchased MTX from POE1 will transfer nicely to POE2.

I think there will be an open beta/access period, but I think (at least for the first few months) a key will be neccessary to enter the Early Access. And those keys will either be given out to longtime supporters (aka >500$ spend or >=420$ in one pack), through random twitch drops from streamers or via supporter pack. And on Steam you are buying a supporter pack to access the game and get any leftover keys send to you via mail or smth

Ah the good old milking PoE2 update announcement for the next 6 months.

Hey my guy, tnx for the clarification, I was one of the confused people, also, tnx for saying what's is what about No rest of the wicked, first content creator I see calling the things by its names and that wasn't the only case, before that we had way finder...

I seriously can’t wait to get my hands on this game! The couch co-op looks so much fun!

As nice as it would be, we already know at least at the start beta access will not be free. At exilecon, they already stated that access will be given to people who have purchased a 500$ supporter pack or have spent a total of 500$ on their account total. But we will have to see what else there will be

Having played the POE1 Closed Beta.... I think that was closer to a true beta. You have to remember it had only 2 acts with 3 difficulties. There was quite a bit missing, and there was a huge lack of content. Not to say it wasn't fun, and new acts quickly came, which they did after a few months, but for some time it was fairly basic. Ironically the only Mirror I have ever seen drop, dropped for a friend in closed beta :D POE2 looks like a far more complete experience, and a FAR more full fledge game (100 bosses POE2 vs 5 if your are being generous in POE1 Close Beta). I think this is why they chose to use the term Early Access as it a far more complete game when dropping for people.

I would drop money for access to this without any hesitation. I haven't played PoE1 in a while 'cause the ZOOMZOOM meta wears me out, it's still one of my favourite games of all time and while I don't always agree with GGGs decisions they've earned my faith that they're doing what they think is best for the game, in order to thereby profit, more so than the other way around like certain other companies. I can't wait for the more tactical playstyle PoE2 has, not to mention the huge amount of new lore we're going to get.

Hey Tri! Can you ask them sometime if they are going to come up with a solution to the character naming problem so we don't have all of these naming conflicts and have to come up with stupid stuff? And maybe if they will actively support linux through proton on steam or maybe a linux native client????

Hey Tri! Thanks for all the videos you make. Love your content. I’m a bit curious, are we going to be getting a return to the poe flashback series? I was loving those videos.

I wanna say that I've watched your video just now and you've earned a subscribe! Great video, very positive dude you are and you'll pass the 25k subs in no time. GL Exile!

Nice vid!

Hey @TalkativeTri, long time viewer/subscriber of your channel and another great video. I recently made a post in the PoE2 subreddit about the Duelist class and it seemed to have gained quite some traction. Would you be willing to do Duelist focused video for PoE2 and predicting what they could do to call back to their original PoE1 Duelist reveal trailer? Duelist is my favorite class in PoE and aside from Carn (who came to an event wearing the ironic red shirt), I haven't seen many content creators push GGG to talk about the class since it is IMHO the protoypical melee class of PoE. Cheers!

im speedrunning my backlog of games because this game will take over my life

You aren't just positive, you cultivate that positivity by avoiding setting your viewers/comment section up for negativity. The way you danced around just flat out saying that POE might grab people from D4 and keep them cause it's just a better game is commendable. I would have stoked the fire xD Good on you though. Like I said before, we need people with your kind of energy in the space.

I think it will be a full Early Access PoE2 launch. I think GGG doesn't want to launch PoE2 1.0 , only to find out they don't have enough servers. GGG also wants players making build guides, for 1.0

Will always continue supporting this awesome development team financially where I can.

GGG sweating right now while watching this

Saw you in their Console Event BTS video a bunch, much deserved! Your prediction for them opening the early access up to everyone will probably be what happens... I'll gladly pay for POE2 supporter packs 🤪 WE JUST WANNA PLAY ⚰

I agree with this for the most part. I do think there will be staggered waves for entry at the start so they don't overwhelm the servers. I do think it will be free however. They will probably use past purchase to invite people over the first week or two, potentially less though.

My guess is that there will be some level of hierarchy in staging how players get progressively invited to Early Access (deservedly for the biggest supporters of the game). But then I suspect they will be quite aggressive in the rate at which new invites are sent out, as fast as the servers can handle while maintaining a good player experiences (while they stress test and optimise servers & netcode, without artificially restricting access behind a pay wall). The worst thing they could do is repeat the mistake of Last Epoch in not preparing for a huge initial influx of players. Aside from that, I think you are right, they will get far more $ and good will from people voluntarily buying supporter packs (after they've tried the game) than they will by pay-walling Early Access.

@TalkativeTri Have they changed the requirements for the early access? I thought they announced before that anyone who had spent at least $500 in purchases in POE1 would be given access first.

I don't think that they just open up the game for everyone. I think they might use the modern "watch a streamer for x-hours to get a key". At least that was my initial thought. This method worked well for a bunch of other games in recent months.

I hope everyone can flood into this game come early access. I can’t wait to play it!

The hilarious thing about the d4 beta for me was that it gave me the itch for arpgs again. And since the full game wasn't coming out for a few months, I downloaded POE to scratch that itch. When d4 finally came out, the closed nature of the character development (stuck skill trees with obvious meta paths, specific weapons for each class, blah) vs poes "do whatever, break the game, we don't care" wasn't even a close contest. I have 10 hours in d4 and 2000 someodd in Poe. Poe got more money out of me too, be ause I needed stashes and because I love supporting devs that just get it.

Yo can you let me know if the crafting will be less convoluted that's kinda all I care about ?? I love Poe but the crafting isn't friendly to me at all .

I'm sure we'll see microtransactions for skins etc. during Early Access. So The game will release when it's really finished is a bit easy to say... it will be F2P right? so it's not like the 1.0 is a big deal.

Enjoy your content. I watched the interview with DTMicro and Ghazzy and I recall that Jonatha did want all classes available for EA. That may not be the case but that's the confusion. Early access in my eyes is a game that anyone could get into 'early' (Pre-release) paid or free. In the end, I want to play it when POE2's Early Access launches. That's when I'm expecting to play it. But if they slowly bring people in, I would be a little frustrated. If the entry point is $30, so bit. Well worth it. I don't care about D4's expansion. D4 was not a game I enjoyed even though I played through the campaign. When I heard about POE2 through Exilecon(2023) I started getting into POE again and never looked back. This is the game I'm looking forward to. Even if they launch EA with 8 classes and 1 ascendancy (I think he mentioned that too), It will be worth it more than D4 + expansion put together. Favorite ARPGs Path of Exile Diabo 2 Titan Quest Last Epoch Torchlight series Diablo 3 Grim Dawn v v v v v D4 (Yeah that's how much I dislike it)

In my opinion they will use this ''early access'' as a window to sell the game through supporter packs before it eventually goes free to play, which i am 100% in support and in favor of, just speculation though it could well and truly be completely free on early access release and in that case i would be super surprised. Great video Trisizzle.

I'm curios with all the changes to couch coop and all if the game would be more coop friendly than poe 1(i mean loot from endgame bosses,conqueror progression and league mechanics,the casual coop style playing like diablo 4,i even told ghazzy as well if he could ask this question in the interview but sadly he didn't. It would really be cool if we could find out about that as well.

hey Im missing awesome background music in ur vids

Hi Tri, not sure if you'd ever have the chance to ask, but if you get another interview could you ask about Path of Exile 2 running on Linux? It's an odd question I know, but I am planning on switching from Windows and PoE 2 is one of the few things making me push my switch back. Thanks for the content on Path of Exile 2!

Hey Tri, whenever I watch your videos on my Roku it crashes my RU-vid lol. I don't know if anyone else is having that issue but it only happens with your videos. So weird. Good stuff though just gotta watch on my phone or PC.

Do you think or know, wink wink, if there will be a public test before "early access"?

I’ll definitely buy a supporter pack as long as the game is good in which I already know it is so 100$ pack yes please

Go to minute 7:50 for the actual info to start.

Now I think you are in the Alpha forsure! XD

The thing that strikes me a bit and that seems to have gone under the radar is that, closed beta is by definition ... closed. So you have a limited number of players and you control it. With an early access, anyone who can pay the entree fee (and as you said, it's likely to be free), then you can play the game. That means no limit on the number of players. While I don't mind this change, it seems way more risky. They might get 10, 100 or even 1000 times for player with an early access compared to a closed beta and I'm wondering how they will handle thast

I've given ggg over 5k in the 27 leagues I've played. I'll buy whatever for beta/early access whatever you call it.

Im ready to buy a 500.00 supporter pack for early access.

I never got the $1000 diamond supporter pack Kiwi and have always regretted it (my gold kiwi is still loved). This time around I would buy a 1k pack if they launch with it.

1:40 sounds like what someone would say if they were secretly playing the alpha. You ain't fooling us Tri.

I'd pay $99 for this easy... Diablo 4 couldn't get that out of me but this will!

I would LOVE for early access to be free especially as a console player with over 5k hours since delve. But I’m gonna press X to doubt while copiuming hare that november will be an awesome free early access entry to PoE2.

I think I have identified the thing that can inform gamers about what early access means to the Dev. Consider that a traditional beta period was a limited free to play experience, whether or not it would later be sold, that was focused on having people report bugs and quickly patching said bugs. If a company charges you for early access or doesn't have a robust bug reporting system, they're not trying to fix bugs. In the first instance, charging for early access, the company is after the funding. Attaching the early access label allows them to start selling the game before it's done and for some reason we find that acceptable. In the second instance, no way to report bugs or a buggy report system, the company is out for the press hype and is probably trying to gather data from which they can extrapolate the sales figures. Sadly, the cash shops are usually already functioning and open for business during early access in most games these days and that is a metric companies use for tailoring their pricing at launch. Sometimes you can't yet buy the game but you can buy (insert game specific premium currency) and spend it in the shop. Just some thoughts. Lastly I'm not a dad and was wondering if I could get a day too? Probably not huh. Lol

Since they're aiming for multi platform launch with cross play I have a feeling it will be same as 3.0 initially for at least a couple weeks or more. there's already going to be an insane amount of people playing even if it's paid/loyal entry, and servers going to be absolutely devastated. making it open at launch sounds nice if we lived in a world where server stability and capacity was guaranteed. I'm sure they'd rather people be able to actually play the game and give feedback without having to be in a 2 hour+ queue, and have constant game crashes. There's also been nothing said to this day to assume an open beta/access format. It just doesn't seem feasible to have open access day 1 and be successful. A trickle in effect would be a much better solution to combat server issues.

15 minutes later and I’m still unclear of what you’re saying here. Is it going to be a continuous version of the game or not lol

TOTALLY agree with Jonathan! Your positive vibe is a virus!

Imo, part of the reason they named it early access is tho they can sell the "access" to what will be a beta. This way there's gonna be way less backlash. There are probably going to be some giveaways here and there, but theres no way they going with a free for all early access.

From everything i have seen so far i will have no problem supporting the game with money early on. I can already see that i will get my moneys worth on that game. Great times ahead indeed

Believe or not, D4 is still in beta.

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LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO

Wouldn't it be hilarious if GGG opened EA for free so everyone could play it 3 weeks to a month after D4's expansion? I mean that would be a kick in the Arse. 'See what we did? And it's FREE!!!! Regardless, I would hate that it would be invites or closed to invites and those that already spent a good amount of money on it. Even if it's $40 for a supported pack, it would be one I would happily pay for. In my opinion, Early Access should be like any other Early Access game I've seen. If you paid a certain amount, You should be able to play. So looking forward to this game.

fun fun fun man I want to play and make videos

is started playing POE Act 3 dominus was the last boss heh

GGG already said its Beta, but with a modern name "early access"

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So excited, I’m ready to put Diablo 4 up finally

I don't think it'll be free at the start. It'll probably be some people that get invited and others that can pay to get in. Once they've gone through the first few weeks and ironed out all the major bugs then they'll open it up to the rest of the general public. They do want people to get the best experience after all, so the first more limited wave will pave the way for a bigger wave of people.

My guess was exactly the opposite of yours. Betas are typically free and often criticised if you have to pay for then because players are doing QA work for the developers. My guess is they renamed to early access because they want to charge money. They will probably sell supporter packs that grant EA access and also contain points so they can make it more expensive without seeming overpriced

Love the videos

Honestly, best option for them and the community is open access. Free to try and free to play. Putting up an entry barrier to that experience after all the hype would be a shame.

The thing that Early Access has ruined are the concepts of Open or Closed, Alpha or Beta development stages. Early Access is in many cases an Open Alpha, and let's tackle these words. Open and closed is very simply whether the product is or isn't available to the public respectively. Alpha and Beta on the other hand refer to development stages that are ready for testing; Alpha is when many of the core bones of the project are ready, This phase of testing is to test if the structure is holding or if it's gonna crash from the slightest touch. Beta is when you're looking to test extraneous features and find bugs and glitches that only minorly disrupt the experience. Basically if we make a clay sculpting analogue; Alpha is before you set the clay to dry, and Beta is after it's been drying a bit. Early Access has unfortunately mashed those two stages together and sent them to public testing. I much prefer seeing a game under the Alpha or Beta tag than Early Access.

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Since announcing console early access it has me wondering how would the console players gain access to it if they kept the 3.0 system?

I think Early Access (Beta) Will be closed. - People with a lot of playtime in POE 1 will get automatic access on launch of beta - Same with people that have spent 500$ or more on POEover the years - They will send out invites to people that sign up weekly - They will sell supporter packs with beta access (Maybe not at the start of beta but after a couple of months) - Maybe they will open the beta for everyone 1-2 months before the game launches

POE2 will pretty much just launch as a long preseason before the first official season of POE2

No Rest for the Wicked did the exact right thing 🤷🏼‍♂️ It was said the game won't be finished on EA release because they want to develop the game with the community since it's the first game of the studion in the arpg genre and they want to make it the best version of it it possibly can be. You want a finished game, dont buy an early access title or get informations about it together before buying 😉 Looking forward to PoE2 👍

Honestly hope it’s not too expensive I wanna play but not pay 60$ for a partly finished game no matter how good it is.

I like your videos but the criticism on reddit was valid. A lot of the time it sounds like someone writing an essay who needs to meet a certain word count.

The amount of ABSOLUTE, BLIND faith in this game is.... truly amazing. PoE2 was supposed to come out to beta YEARS ago. Literally like four years. And yet people think they're going to hit their 6-12 month estimate of EA time before release EVEN AFTER they just announced their 5th or 6th major delay and even after we learn that despite all these years of work they're still only at 8/12 classes then? Also have no idea what you're on about with PoE1 being a soft launch. It was a barebones alpha with a couple acts, no maps, and a half-baked progression system that was scrapped entirely. The game was barely there. That string of patches was a desperate clawing to get some sort of content into the game. Even compared to 1.0 it was a SMALL fraction of the game. You believe there will be tons of end game content yet they have shown off or discussed absolutely nothing beyond vague, empty promises that there will be "stuff". As a whole they have shown NOTHING of the endgame. They have SPECIFICALLY avoided sharing any details of what the game is like. We have not seen how fast map mobs die with a decently geared character, so maybe we're just going back to instant screen clears. We have not seen what a 6-link skill looks like at all, really, much less what your screen looks like when you're trying to spam four of them at once, so screen clarity is just a vague hope. All we've seen, relatively, is level 20 Act 2. And if you think level 20 Act 2 is a great example of what the game is like in high level juiced mapping or bosses then you are sorely mistaken. GGG just keeps promising the world and backing up NONE of it and people are just eating it up as gospel. And now, since they care about player feedback so little (they are GGG, after all), they're releasing an entire game with little to no user input and whatever there is that is fundamentally flawed is likely to remain that way, potentially for years if not forever, because they can't just back up and redo the last 2-3 years they've been working on the game. Maybe the whole end game system is shit, but you know what, they made it 4 years ago and instead of seeing what people thought about it they just buried it under more and more code and features and it stopped being realistic to redesign it two years ago. PoE2 would hardly be the first time a sequel crashed and burned because developers didn't listen to their players and built a product that those players didn't want.

I keep watching PoE2 gameplay videos, and it's basically like edging

I disagree with what you said about No Rest For The Wicked. This game is what a early access should be : a game in construction with a developing team listening to their community. I hope PoE 2 will go the same route. PoE 1 did with its beta period. A fully fleshed product has no reason to go in early access, it should just go 1.0. And notice you're not describing a fully fleshed product when talking about the PoE2 EA.

So 18 months for real release...

you have no legit info actually about who will get into early access. Zizarian get to know in interview that it will be done in classic way. Random keys and guaranted key per 500$ spent on the game in the past. They do not want everyone to get in - they want to increase playerbase in steps to test stuff.

You grow by doing good videos, not by begging for likes and subs.

You are growing really steadily! Keep up the good work!

Streamer client!? :D

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Not having a distinct folder for your games and your applications on your desktop triggers me. But, at least it's clean

How are you gonna shit on No Rest for the Wicked because its "unfinished?" thats the definition of early access...its not done. because j. rogers used it as an example? were they supposed to ship a "finished" product for EARLY ACCESS?

I mean diablo 4 finally feels finished now so it been in early access for about a year without saying it was.

Nope, some cheap "entry" pack + a skin for 10-30. Key giveaways for some streamers or other communities. More expensive packs with store credit and some exclusive stuff just like for the leagues.

”This isn’t going to be in early access for 1,2,3 years”… proceeds to say up to 12 months. Look I look forward to this game but you need to try being LESS biased when using numbers 😂

After D4 beta I got my $100 back.

I’d pay 50 easy

acceptable exceptional meat riding, as always.

Do you script your videos? 10-15 minutes to say very little. You would get better engagement from shorter concise content.

Trailer/Videos back then said, we will push it to later, but you can play a Alpha Test in June as an small sorry from us and i cant find anything about that anymore. Am i missing something guys?

You're a POE shill but to honestly they earned it. I think im becoming one as well. I trust these devs more than I trust CDprojekt. Youll allway get the nobullshit answer.

I’d give them $100 easy. TAKE MY MONEY

No way the early access is going to be free :D

Yes, it's a beta.

Played for for 10 years, every league. if I dont have a early acccess day one someone at GGG should get fired.

Considering they're aiming for a wider audience than PoE 1 has I wouldn't be surprised at all if early access is available to everyone at no cost. Sure, servers might not be the most stable at the beginning, but that's the least of their issues to adress. More people playing will give them sooo much information they have been using very well so far in their favour. Can't wait!

diablo 4s beta 😂 you mean the first 3 seasons?

Diablo 4 is still in beta....