Ember: Don't trust in gods to help you, you'll be a much stronger person if you just believe in yourself instead! :) Also Ember: *Receives godly power and is personally watched over by a demigod archon of heaven*
Camellia would get instantly killed by like 80% of the party but the game's like "nahhhhh she's sneaky about it" when she's constantly talking about killing everyone
The only thing that made me keep her was the "eventual promise of getting a higher power to join the crusade". Sacrifice 1 or 2 for the greater good and so... then her last mission happened and well... I don;t miss her. I hate that Wolif is relatively hard to recruit, since Camelia is the only other one to pick locks.
As the game keeps describing her reaction to slaughter as "licking her lips nervously." Uh-huh, sure, that's why she's doing it. Girl's about to slide across the dungeon she's so "nervous." I still don't know her late-game very well, because I've only had her survive Act 3 in one playthrough. Anyone Lawful or Good would turn her in, and even my CN Trickster couldn't resist telling her she was safe and then telling the guards to move in.
Yeah her story is weird. They look like they're going somewhere with her and all, but then they give my MC a reason and opportunity to kill her, which was very silly of them.
As you mentioned, so much of the story has to do with redemption. Which makes Camellia even more interesting. Because she says she's possessed by a malevolent spirit that causes her to murder. So as with many other companions and the themes of the story overall, you want to help her. But she's lying and just loves murder haha
I actually love what they did with her. She was the obvious earlygame waifu bait, making players think that they can fix her, then suddenly you get the realization that there is no fixing her, no redemption, she is as much or more of a monster than the demons you fight.
@@HeartoftheWinterbut in same time sooooo many players was crying and raging on owlcast and they tried to force them add “redemption” slide in epilogue, and there is even a mod where camellia in weeding dress. I guess those people was raised on Disney movies and just don’t believe that there is just pure psychopaths in the world. Camellia feels really much more alive and realistic then many others just because she is go on the war to have more chances to kill people without consequences. Just as people did and do in real world with wars.
Camelia is covered in red flags from the moment you meet her. I once tried to do her quest & romance her on a demon path and I felt like Padme from the meme. "It's all still just to please the spirits and save the land, right? right?"
@@eriksibul9399 If you're talking about the mod, I think you're talking about then it never tries to redeem her; it just tries to give her better endings, then one day she just left .
I can't help but love Daeran. Immediately after meeting him in game I could tell he was using humor to hide behind depression and loneliness and that really resonated with me.
I would agree but he is too callous with everyone and nearly everything for me to actually like him as a person, thematically he is cool, realistically I think he is an awful person and an ass most of the time :D
This is the only game that did incredible job at evil companions, we have everything, chaotic, lawful and neutral evil and they all have very good stories and fit the campaign.
@@oicrusader2143 I will second this, BG3 has a very tame depiction of evil. You could make a parallel between Mint and Cam, but hell....she doesn't even come close. All "evil" in BG3 has some kind of redemption hence making it less evil? Doesn't mean BG3 has bad characters, just an objective take on it :)
Regill: I don't appreciate your methods, but I appreciate the help Wenduag: Who hurt you? I will show you what love and affection is and you will like it Spoiler: you are crazy. Not even my chaotic evil demon liked you
@@icarue993 The great thing about Regill was that he was way more ruthless than he even needed to be, but it was generally based in pragmatism, and when it wasn't, he still wasn't stupid and would listen to reason. It's rare to see LE portrayed as "so cruelly Law-obsessed that they slipped into Evil in the process," rather than "an Evil person using law and order for its own ends," but it's a much more realistic portrayal. A cruel totalitarian, but one who genuinely believes what he's doing is the best way to run a society.
Ember in the story: "I strongly believe there's good in everyone (except the gods, fuck those guys), even demons!" Ember in the gameplay: "Too late for apologies!" Blasts you with a spell that, if it kills you, literally sends your soul to hell.
Yeah the slave market scene as Azata is a scene that genuinely chokes me up whenever I see it. I'm a sucker for stories about slave liberations and similar plot points, so it was INCREDIBLY satisfying in that scene, for all the demons to be like "mmmuahahaha! You're in OUR house puny mortal, there is nothing you can do!!" And your Azata champion is like "....oh really?" 😈 *unleashes the power of chaotic liberation on the slave market* And just the sound of the triumphant signature song for the Azata to play with the more heroic chorus to it, while the energy washes over the market, freeing the slaves, killing demons, and ensnaring the others, was just SO satisfying. 🤣 I never finished the game because I just hated that Demon city level so much, but that part, that part was awesome.
И это полный бред. Простите, я понимаю, у нас тут паверфантазия, НО это не просто нейтральный кусок Бездны - это ВЛАДЕНИЯ ЛОРДА БЕЗДНЫ. Лорды Бездны имеют абсолютный контроль на своем плане. Никакая мифическая сила не позволит тебе ничего там поменять, если этого не захочет Ноктикула. Красиво, но глупо. А самое главное - ничего не решает. Красиво и бессмысленно. В Бездне миллионы таких рынков, закрытие одного, усилит другой. Как не крути. Лишь Ангел вносит реальный impact, выжигая до тла целый план Дескари.
I used to dislike Lann a lot more until recently because he was extremely pushy with his romance for female characters. If you were even vaguely polite to him he'd keep trying to ask you out. Fortunately they reduced that in a patch. Regill was probably my favourite character overall even though he clearly didn't like my character that much since she was an Azata. I'm really excited to see him being a lot happier in my Aeon playthrough next. He looks like a miniature Sauron, is extremely grumpy, gives pretty good advice (his Military options especially are generally good) and does pretty solid damage with his weird hooked hammer.
Lann is realistic: a teenager whose maximum lifespan is 30 years if not extended in the endings. He's honorable but very simple minded and I was disappointed in the romance. Regill is very widely liked as a solid character, even as he doesn't change a bit.
he's the worst character imo he's writing is awfull... in the prologue he play the "try to save everybody go as fast as your slower companion bla bla bla" and then when you meet regil... he's agreeing with him? wtf? prologue lann and main game lann isn't the same character...
@@Kaliblister Agreed. His writing (and VA) is poor. He's definitely Chaotic Good in the prologue and early game, and it's like they realized halfway through development that he has to be Lawful Neutral because of his class. His class itself also makes no sense. He should have been a Hunter.
This is why I don't like Sos, male character, trying to just be a bro and help him out, pushy AF in the romance line, and if you are a female character that tries to romance him, you find out he's taken early, act 2 or 3, so the entire time he is romancing you he is with someone. Unfaithfulness as a cleric is a poor character flaw.
@@Dan-uf2vh Regill doesn't change and what I hate is that I've seen some people criticize him for it. But overall I'm glad so many people like him. Not every character has to have an arc of change to be good. Some characters are iconic and don't change and the fun is in watching who they already are react to different situations. James Bond and Sherlock Holmes don't need character arcs, they just are who they are and we enjoy watching/reading about them. It's perfectly fine for Regill to be the same person from the beginning to the end of the game and just enjoy how that person responds to things.
Lann is deeply troubled, he has to live life with honor and dream. Dream is the only thing he can have. That is why he want to end it in Act3. I respect that he can fight for good without any hope.
We’re so far apart on this haha, obviously just a matter of personal preference. I think Daeran is such a unique and interesting companion, Ember is bottom half, super boring goody-two shoes above it all archetype reminds me of when they put infallible child characters in like any popular show or movie, Then we have Regill, the undisputed GOAT for me, what an outrageously cool companion from his lore to his personality to his stellar VA.
I too found Ember overly sugary sweet for my tastes Regill was my favorite with his pragmatic approach to everything. And give him a 2 hander and he busts em up!
I disagree kinda, for me Seelah or whatever feels much more vanilla and sweet. Ember is interesting at least because her philosophy n random insights, sometimes she gave me Malkavian vibes randomly saying wise things and reading people. Also I like how Venduag kinda scare of her and always saying that she is hiding something and she is not what she seems, and when camellia says “meh she just a dump girl” venduag said “I can feel she hide something, and she doing it better then u maniac girl” to camellia.
I was gonna say, I can't believe he did my Daeran dirty like that. I love the idea of a chaotic evil character who doesn't want to consort with demons or murder babies. He's just like, kind of a dick. And all his dialogue is soooo good :')
Wenduag is one of those characters I feel like theres no real in game justification for ever siding with. Even if youre evil shes shown to be extremely fickle and willing to betray anyone at the drop of a hat if she feels she can get an advantage for doing so. I kill her and move on every time because it feels like the smarter option even if Lann isnt a good fit for an evil party outside of being naïve cannon fodder.
Seems pretty easy to justify taking her if you're an evil character. She has no problem doing terrible things and as long as you're the most powerful in the room, she's going to follow whatever you tell her to do. If she gets out of line, you can just kill her. And the alternative is Lann, a good guy that gets upset over a little bit of cannibalism. He's obviously not going to be okay with you doing evil things and you'll likely end up just having to kill him when you he turns on you, so why would you take him as an evil character? A fickle allegiance from Wenduag is better than an allegiance that'll immediately fall apart with Lann. A lot of evil characters have big egos too, so they might just like having someone like Wenduag along that worships them, and they likely believe they'll always be strong enough to keep her in line or kill her, so her betrayal isn't really something they'd be concerned about.
I rejected Wenduags proposal to join your group when you meet her in act 3 again on a good playthrough and told her to kys and well that made her have the hots for me (degradation kink tbh) I kept her around but never did anything with her or got her into my party, then, in her ending slide she gets killed by greybor. lol. Ok bye wendy
i like lann already just bc hes a sarcastic memelord sometimes like that one time where he just goes "oh no, i love being a genetic freak who will most likely die before the age of 40, its great"
I never noticed the game trying to convince you not to kill Camellia but yeah, overlooking her act 5 quest was a huge stretch that even a MC on the gold dragon path about redemption would've had enough.
This video clearly shows that its a taste thing with the companions: I personally have Lann and Greybor as two of my main companions, while Camellia, Seelah and Wenduag are my least favorite ones. I used to dislike Daeran but grew to really appreciate him. I dont really like Nenio as a companion but I always find myself in the need of a true wizard.
Same. Greybor with any of the good alignment characters is hilarious, regill is the same with any chaos or evil characters. Never liked Camellia or Wenduag, one is a straight murder hobo protected by her father who is a PoS in his own right, and not sure even evil characters are okay with cannibalism, that is a taboo that is pretty much outright hated by all. Lann grew on me, listening to him interact with others is tedious at times, but his insight in counsel tends to be spot on, like regill. No issues with Seelah, other then she never comes off as iconic, she is deeply flawed makes just about every mistake one can as a Paladin, even if done for good intentions. I was floored when she is important to the PF lore, nothing about the build or jer actions hinted at that
It's easy to hate Daeran, but his narrative is styled just like Camellia did. The game never tells you outright, but the hints are on every pebbles on the step. On their true nature, that is.
The two of them really are great counterpoints to one another, the traumatized guy who actively tries to bury his good side under a hedonistic mask and the psychotic monster who poorly fakes her own goodness. I just wish Daeran had a better VA, he really just sounds bored and like his mic was cheaper than the others. Maybe he's better in Dance of Masks, not sure.
Come on. Camelia is covered in red flags from the moment you meet her. You can confidently tell what she is after like 20 minutes into the game based on her amulet, battle cries and not-at-all-obvious remarks.
@@JohnDoe-il4dz Them trying to hide her alignment with her amulet is dumb. The second I saw that item I said to myself "Oh, she's evil". There's literally no other reason to hide it.
I might swap out the top two because I absolutely love Aivu but I definitely agree with most of this list. My first playthrough was Chaotic Good so I went with the Azata mythic path and romanced Arueshalae and all that jazz. It was definitely fun.
I confess I'm a bit boring when it comes to companions in RPGs. I like playing good guys, and I like surrounding my PC with other good (or at the very least neutral) folk who more-or-less get along.
I would like this cast to choose from and the choices to play in just about any other game, but in this one, where it is literally good vs chaos vs evil, it's hard to justify being the savior of the world as a lich, demon, swarm. Devil maybe a sliver as they are at war with the demons also, but even that is hard sell, as the primary backers of your war are all good gods or backed by those gods.
Same. Irl being a decent person consists of opening doors for people and letting someone merge in front of you. This game is a place where being a decent person consists of charging into a group of 12 foot tall demons and putting the fear of God into them. If I did an evil playthrough......I'd only be the millionth tryhard to think I was cool doing it.
I respect your list, I can see where you are coming from with all the picks. Except Nenio; for me the most annoying character in any crpg and her gimmick grew old straight away for me. Which is a shame since she is the singular pure arcane caster companion in the party. 😞
Man we're quite different in our rankings, though granted I've just reached Act 5. Regill is really high for me. Whenever there's a council decision, he usually makes really good arguments. Daeran is really funny, but I'm not super into him. Camillia is probably the most annoying of the whole cast, with Ember not far behind, and Nenio on thin ice. I do agree though that Lann is really bland, but his reunion with his mom was surprisingly the only companion quest that's moved me so far.
I guess we've got pretty different tastes in companions haha! Personally, Camelia is the most disappointing party member I've come across in probably the past decade of RPGs. I kept expecting more to her, but she has zero character growth or depth. Her totally-not-obvious secret? She's evil. End of story. I'm not sure she was worth implementing over Aravashnial from the original AP (whose corpse Camelia is standing over when she's introduced) who I think would be a more interesting character.
Daeran is easily my favorite companion. One, he has a great class for healing or damage. Two, his story is very intriguing and weaves into his personality very well. And finally his interactions with Lann and Ember are priceless and some of the best banter in a rpg. With Daeren and Lann making fun of each other like brothers or close friends. He also never says a mean word to Ember and treats her like a little sister or (our adopted)daughter. (I call him Gorden Ramsey of WotR because he is an a hole that always cooks at camp but treats kids well.) Needless to say my Azata fell in love with him at fist sight and vowed to free the caged count from The Other. The symbol of freedom personified that he is.
Lann and Wenduag are two possible sides of the way people react to traumatic childhoods (speaking as someone with a traumatic childhood and who knew others with said). Lann has realistic flaws of depression and low self-esteem, but in the end is a decent person who reacts to his trauma primarily by wanting to protect innocent people, while Wenduag is the type of traumatized person who reacts with the whole "If I'm the one oppressing other people then nobody can ever hurt me again" mentality. I ended up vastly preferring Lann to Wenduag as a result, especially since a lot of Wenduag's behaviors and attitudes are so utterly horrible. I also will stump for Sosiel again, in that he's an absolute expert at diplomacy, passive-aggressive snark, and Politeness Judo (him running circles around Konomi in particular was a joy to watch). He also has an interesting arc about trying to overcome his anger issues. It's just that this character archetype is not one typically applied to male characters versus female characters, so it reads less interestingly than if he was a female character. Finally, credit to Daeran for being biggest surprise for me. When we first read the character's description in the KS updates I was prepared to dislike him, but he's written as a genuinely hilarious and complex character. Him being an actually self-aware troll who's upfront about being a jerkass goes a long way I think.
Regill might just be my favourite, which I never expected going into my first playthrough. He's so often the most reasonable voice in the room and one of the few characters that just 100% feel like he's exactly where he's supposed to be and actually deserves to be there. I also appreciate that despite being rigid and lawful, he's actually one of the most 'loyal' characters-because he cares about your results and not how you get them, making him very flexible in terms of what playthrough your doing. Case in point, he even stuck around for the entirety of my trickster playthrough and his ending slide singlehandedly made that my favourite ending by far! Camellia is probably my second favourite. I love how uniquely unhinged she is but I think there's not a single playthrough where her narrative actually fully works. She obviously doesnt fit in lawful/good, but she also doesnt fit into chaotic/evil either because she just keeps hiding and excuse crimes that most demons and evil trickster simply wouldnt think twice of. as for the other side of my tier list. I dislike Seelah and HAAAATTE Lann. He's such a hypocrite. A naive idealist who constantly insults others for being idealistic
Regill is one of my favorites, as well. I appreciate his pragmatism, even if I don't always agree with him. Another point in his favor is that he knows who he is and doesn't need me to help him soul search. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind most of the companion quests, but it's refreshing that a companion isn't relying on me in that way.
staunton got some added interactions eventually i think, when i played lich he did react to minagho in every encounter, and you can talk with him about killing her, yaniel will also not back down if you meet her with staunton in your party, she will just call you a monster and try to fight you, so you can either let her or just take the opportunity to corrupt her sword
Woljif was a total turnoff when he cowardly ran away from my party, what made it worst is he was my best dps guy I made into a Baked Trickster. Never used him again after that.
I've never felt more turned off or more betrayed in my life. Never forgave him either because he never tried to redeem himself and show he wasn't completely a yellow bellied Coward
That is why he ran, he does so much base damage him running away is a difficulty spike. I also feel rp wise it makes sense. He is a thief who didn't sign up for war. Him getting scared is fair.
@@Frey12 RP-wise I always treated him like he was part of the supply caravan like Horgus...just a black market/informant guy. Not a crusader. So he wasn't a deserter in my eyes. A coward, yeah, but I didn't treat him like a knight or expect honor from him at all during the story.
I've yet to take Wenduag, even for an evil character it's insane to take her with you given her introduction if you're roleplaying it. One day I'll do a demon run or something.
There are simple ways around that, if you're willing to RP. For starters, leaving Lann with the mongrels is the obviously more safe choice for the mongrels; and you can keep Wenduag in check when she's with you. If you want to go with a more esoteric angle, pick an Oracle, and then you can just do whatever because you've had a vision on how events are going to unfold.
I have only taken her once and I tried to romance her (as a good character). It was fun but she betrayed me (seems to be a tricky romance to get right). She was a powerful dual axe thrower though and I really missed her after she was gone.
Why do you think its insane for an evil character to take her? Seems to make plenty of sense to me RP-wise, especially when the alternative is Lann who isn't cool with evil shit and, RP-wise, would likely break his alliance with you the moment he sees you doing some evil things. Wenduag will follow whatever messed up evil things you do or ask her to do. If she betrays you or outlives her usefulness, then from the perspective of an evil character, you can just kill her lol. Better to have a useful evil minion that will follow orders but may potentially betray you than it is to have a good aligned character that will absolutely betray you when he sees what kind of person you actually are.
@@Denkart You don't know any of that when you get the choice. All you know about her is that she eats people, conspired to kill you, betrayed the last person she followed, and betrayed/killed/ate many of her own people. Is she going to betray you when she meets the next powerful demon you might run into? Which seems likely you might. For an evil character just meeting her, nothing about her makes you think she'll stick with you and not try to kill you again later, even if you're not against her killing and eating folk. Even if you're thinking this Lann guy is boring and doesn't like it when **I** want to kill and maim (or eat people who knows). The alternative isn't just Lann, you can take neither of them, which is fine. None of this matters that much, we can rationalize anything we want for RPing. You want to redeem this monster, you want to have a wild time killing people with this spidercat mutant, whatever.
@@Argo.nautica I'm not sure what you mean when you say that you don't know any of that when you get the choice. None of what I said requires any knowledge of future events. Those are the justifications I used on my first playthrough. You know when you have the choice that Lann simply will not work with you. He already wants to kill Wenduag at the beginning because of what she's done. It's easy to assume that he will want to do the same to you as soon as you do something he doesn't approve of. No point in taking someone that won't work for you at all. You know Wenduag is unreliable and follows strength, but has no issues with doing evil things. So you can at least use her until her usefulness runs out or she betrays you, at which point you can kill her. As an evil character, you would already expect any minion you have to desert you or betray you given a chance, so that's no surprise and she admits as much. What harm can some lowly mongrel do to you anyway? Choosing neither as option is perfectly fine as well. Just saying there's nothing really insane about picking Wendu as an evil character and really there are plenty of reasons to do so. It can be as simple as being an evil character with a large ego that simply likes having a little minion that worships them and doesn't fear betrayal because they believe they'll always be the strongest to keep her in line. Of course, you're also right in saying that there are definitely reasons to NOT take her as an evil character. I just felt like explaining some reasons why an evil characters would since you said it'd be insane to do so lol.
Daeran grew on me. He reminds me of Anders from Dragon Age 2, someone who I would find grating but my MC won't. It's easy to like a character when you, the player, like them to begin with. But characters like Daeran bring out the roleplayer in me more.
Exactly. Couldn't stand him at first, but by the end of the game I was roleplaying that he and my character were best friends. He's incredibly witty too, so I appreciate the writing that went into him.
Ember is absolutely the best character. One thing that the game never straight up tells you, but can be seen in her class progression, is that her Oracle's Curse actually progresses slightly earlier than normal. She is treated as being one level higher for all her Curse bonuses.
I actually cried with tears of like emotions on Embers quest line she is propably one of my favourite game characters of all times, her tears cracking up in half baphomets altar is one of the most heartwarming moments and at a same time funniest moments I ever experienced im my gaming life
I gave Selaah one lvl dip into Sable Company Marine to give her a hippogriff mount and its bad ass charging into the front line of a giant hippogriff. Currently she is lvl 11 paladin lvl 1 Sable Marine and lvl 1 Cavalier. I will get her to lvl 8 Cavalier order of the sword to get her to add pet str to charge. and since the flying attack counts as a charge it should work quite nicely
Got both Pathfinder:Kingmaker n Pathfinder: WotR on sale, don't have dlc for either, but definitely getting 2 season for WotR once all are on sale. Any dlc worth for Kingmaker?
for WotR without Dance of Masks, finishing both games will take from 3 months to a year depending on schedule so there will be another sale where I can get everything :) more concerned about Kingmaker @jepeman
Kingmaker was worth a replay with mods adding oracle etc to that game. While you miss the mythic craziness the game is still quite good and establishing a kingdom feels more grounded then the ascension themes.
Wow our companion ranks are different 😂 and I think I killed 3-4 of the companions in the unfolding of the story. Camellia had to go when I caught her red handed....Aeon Hellknight. My hands were tied 🤷 Greybor wanted to extort me for money. Like. No. Woljiff stole and deserted. Wenduag was a traitor.
I like Arueshalaes build, she is a great buffbot for a party with lots of natural weapon DDs as well. My top 5 favorites: 5. Sosiel 4. Woljif 3. Ulbrig 2. Aivu 1. Arueshalae
I played it only once, Lann and Aru were the ones who put everything down, the rest was just for the number. I didn't use Nenio as a wizard myself, Phantasm Killer was always ineffective/resisted. Well, i'm not a pro :-) I liked Ember, Aru and Aivu the most, maybe even Seelah. The rest were lucky that i played as a good guy :-)
Making phantasmal killer work consistently requires stacking a lot of bonuses onto it specifically, onto illusion in general and onto making your spell DCs higher. Once you get to that point it can one-shot some bosses if you're lucky.
My favorite companions were Lann, Seelah, Nenio, Sosiel and Daeran. Sometimes, I would switch Daeran for Amber when I needed some firepower. Overall, most companions were really cool and well written. The only one I thought was bad is Camellia. I thought her drama was too on the nose and stupid. I try usually to keep all companions on my first playthrough to see all the content available, however, when finally given the chance, I didn't hesitate to kill her. I really wasn't interested in her.
Ember is great! Even my evil Zon Kuthon’s Warpriest was impressed by her force of Will and determination despite all physical and social abuse she experienced. Plus Queen Wenduag is number waifu as it should be! Awesome list Mort!
Not gonna lie I really hate Lann. He just comes across as this overly rigid "Just do good, it's not that hard" kind of self righteous jackass. Might not be what he is, but that's the optics from my point of view. Though to be fair I'm also very much on the side of doing what needs doing no matter the context or pain of conscience as long as things end up okay. As a buddy of mine once said: my comfort means nothing in the face of saving lives, even if it means taking others. That said I wasn't aware of how deep Ember's questline got with the whole convincing people to be better kind of thing. I sort of felt like she was just as naive and rigid as Lann but the way you described her felt more genuinely good for some reason. I'll redownload the game and give it a look...once I'm done being knee deep in Dawntrail T_T
During my first playthrough I played an Angel/Paladin... and then Camillia happened... damn I struggled but decided on the role playing route and did what a lawful good paladin was meant to do... That character really surprised me lol.
Nenio... she is the WORST just bc of her final "quest" lol. What kind of MONSTER decided to hide a companion questline behind this travesty of a puzzle dungeon!!!!!!???????
I love Ember. She really pull out my "Must protect" emotion. There are some things you can do that actually makes her sad, and those are unacceptable. I need her to always be smiling. A gameworld where Ember is sad isn't a world worth saving.
Damn lol every single playthrough i end up sending ember away from my party, she creates a cognitive dissonance in my mind, her potrait is scary, that void like stare is horrific, but she has a kind personality, gives me the heeby jeebies, shes like those horror movie child characters that end up being the main villain in a plot twist.
@@tendatonda1634 She's more like a pure naive child. She doesn't have a hint of malice in her, and simply wants all beings to strive to be good within their own power. I think that's what did it for me; she's just like a kid who thinks the best of everyone and the world. Even when faced with the horrors of reality, she still chooses to believe. I just can't break her heart.
They really did great job on Regil and Seelah, both are lawful by rule but they also somewhat chaos. Seelah is fun to interect since you get somewhat borderline chaos but still lawful enough reaction from her. While Regil, this guy just do straight very lawful stuff but if you think about it, somehow it feel like chaos things might because he is a gnome 😂
I really need to actually make camp on a map more than I do. Because of this video I looked into companion interactions, and a lot of how they are as a character happens while camping, their interactions with each other etc. Also Daeran, Regil and Lann are all companions I rate very highly, Ember is also my favourite, partially for the reasons you described but also because you can take her in wildly different directions. Her lawful ending is dififcult for her, but ultimately it helps her grow up a bit and be less naive and feels like she learns the lesson Andoletta wants her to learn, she even gives Ember a new spell: Storm of Burning Righteousness. Her evil ending is very sad but it is cool that Owlcat gives you the option to play with a victim and essentially bully her and eventually break her soul. I had to kind of force myself to do this because I tend to dislike playing evil characters but at the same time are curious as to the unique content Owlcat made for them, and it rarely dissapoints in that regard.
I never not take Aru, she's my top 1. And I really really like the honest and straightforward Ulbrig as well, his quest being pretty reactive with more "impact" than just changing the character himself was also pretty cool. Aivu, Seelah and Daeran are coming just behind that. I never, never play Nenio, I hate her quest, and will she's pretty funny once, I find here midly irritating.
I like good chars much more than those edy+annoying evil chars since BG 2 ^^ Never liked Edwin for example ;-) In Pathfinder Wrath i liked: Lann, Ember, Daeran, Seelah, Sosiel, Woljif and a bit Aru. I hate: Camelia (she never lives very long :P), Wenduag, Nenio(SUPER ANNOYING!), Finnean (reminds me of the annoying talking weapon in BG 2^^) and Ulbrig. Neutral: Greybor, Queen Galfrey.
Hey, Kostaglyr is not that bad - you can free his wife's ghost, and overall undead companions with their undead immunities are superior in combat, if you are going a lich path. Lann's banter with Daeran is gold, and Lann is not that naive. He is just desperately optimistic, which is a good way to live your short mongrel life. Also, I would always choose Greybor over the Woljif - Greybor is calm, reliable, and professional. Woljif annoys me... And yes, Camelia is the best - basically because she is kinda unique in game design. She is an example is that not everything could be fixed, saved, etc. She is just a very real-life character.
Interesting how people can have such different reactions to companions. On my list, I would swap Lann & Wenduag. I find her groveling obsequiousness grating as is her voice. Likewise, I really dislike Camellia, although I tend to keep her around for a while. I have never managed to finish her romance, despite her "going for the heart". Nenio is great - but since I almost always play an arcane caster, she has no real role in party. I use toybox to get some reactivity from her when she is not in the group. My top 4 companions in no particular order are Regil, Ember, Arushalae & Aivu. I think Regil is my favorite though. Regarding poor builds, I have started using Barley's respec mod, which allows you to respec companions from level 1. I have just started a run with Wenduag and I respecced her a Child of the Manticore spider-cat. Now that I am using this I plan on a full undead lich party with decently specced undead companions. I may romance Camellia in that run.
i found lann incredibly, incredibly unlikeable in the previous patches. as another commentor pointed out, he used to be FUCKING PUSHY in terms of romance if the KC is female while the slightest attention results in a "romance" with him. then, there's the whole "you're the kc, but i want you to pass messages for me" companion quest he sends you on. you don't have to do it, but then if you don't, you don't get his good "ending". the worst part however, doesn't seen to get talked about much - he is very aware that he has a short lifespan and his dream is to be a martyr to a cause. if you don't do one of his companion quests (including the aforementioned messenger one), this culmulates in a VERY FUCKED UP THING that he does near the end of his character questline where he basically screws your party big time in a hard fight. not sure if it's bad writing, or just completely unintended but it plays out as if he did it on purpose so that he finally gets what he wants, because if he doesn't sabotage the KC, he won't become a martyr.
LETS GOOO shared opinion on Lann lmao, I can not use him I love wenduang and hes so boring to me. Greybor I've only actually Used with an Aeon Soseil ive never actually used hes really boring to me Xd I am hurt that you like Daeran less than Camilla, I like him so heccin much hes in my top 3 generally swaping back and forth with Arueshalae Regil I think is neat with an aeon too but havent used much, he is fun tho Woljif I absolutely adore but I wish he had a romance and other stuff to extra flesh him out Ulbrig i think is neat n i wanna romance him with a dwarf because 👀👀👀 but I like never have room for him Seelah is so heccin fun I play her in other stuff bunches but Ya Know Nenio delights me and I use her almost every run but quest sucks, I DO relate to her a ton cuz im Also autistic and shes so often Very Correct about things Camilla I judge more for being straight than for the murder tbh, and the being rich and can be Annoying Wenduang is my favorite character I adore her Aivu is my absolute bestie, Azata is my favorite mythic path half for her, even over demon Ember I think is really cool and neat and Delightful but i struggle to keep her in party because shes a kiddo and I give the same gear to Daeran a lot of the time. Plus to me she doesnt rly slot in well for any particular path? Maaaybe at some point I'll run her instead of Nenio tho?
There's no way this guy talked down my main man, Lann. Lol. Being fair, i just love the guy for bailing me out of a lot of stupid situations. Zen archer is deceptively powerful. Personality wise i actually like the guy, he's probably the best representation of what i think an Everyman lawful neutral type should play as.
I *hate* Regill with a fiery passion. Hated him from the moment I first heard him speak. He's just cruel for no reason while using a veneer of respectability to cover himself. I only use him in my party as a Trickster or an Azata and that's just to watch him squirm in discomfort. At least Camellia is unique in the way she was implemented in the story. Also, the Shaman class is so much more *helpful* than the Hellknight will ever be.
Yeah...my first ever playthrough was as a paladin and I was deadset on romancing Camellia. Awkward moments where you have to explain your girlfriend's behavior to your chosen deity.
Damn bro you really like this game huh? When it first launched I hated it SO MUCH. Even gave it a thumbs down on steam and after a few years decided to revisit it and while it's still even to this day quite buggy, not many games come close to some of its rpg mechanics, not even baldurs gate 3. BG3 is insane for its story choices, but WotR is insane for its mechanics.
Yes, I know I'm in the minority because I don't like Wendueig and prefer Lann. Ulbrig is my number one pick and I would rate Social higher on my list. This is in part due to their romance arcs which I know you, understandably, probably didn't do.
I never could find Woljiff after he left, and just gave up because I wanted to finish the game I am noticing I am going to want to do multiple play throughs because I want that dragon companion, but went with the Gold Dragon mythic path, which is the VERY wrong one for that companion
A playthrough without Aivu and Ember is possible but pointless. That you put Ulbrig ahead of Regill and Woljiff makes me weirdly angry though that´s just me alright.
I'd have disagree with the placement of Lann. His combat lines were my favorite by far, and I thought Camilla's personality would put her near the bottom. Agree with most everything else though.
Pretty solid list, I agree that Wendu is absolutely fantastic, I started out straight up disliking her but she ended up my favorite, her writing is stellar. My most dissapointing, tho I still like her is Arue, something about how her story was done feels unsatisfying, I expected a lot more conflict with her nature and our actions and decision to bet he thing that make or break her, instead the evil path decision with her feels rather random and uninvolved, her Abyss quest could have been done if there was some sort of lure or decision there to be made. At the end of the day it feels like she is at the very taild end of her journey one way or the other and our actions dont serve much purpose, also her realisation to Desna's riddle was pretty anticlimactic, I know thats the point and I understand why it was hard for her to understand but it just feels like it was too easy to keep her on the path of good, I just expected a lot more emotion and a lot more epicness when it comesto redeeming a demon, dunno. Kinda the same with Ember, tho I absolutely adore her and her story, I felt like very little was explained and it left me with a lot of questions as to her true nature and such, again I know thats not the point and what her growth is about but still. I was also missing more fathering moments, I wanted some pats on the head and such, also to be able to actually force her to wear shoes, I would just keep giving her shoes and new clothes untill she wouldnt have anyone to give it to and have to wear it herself, just in general more wholesome slice of life interactions with her. Kind of like what we get with Aivu, who is adorkable. I generally really like the companions in this game tho.
Yeah for me Lan is only worth getting for going lawful good you know angel path or which one is it aeon? But other than that I go with winduag every single time because God lan is obnoxious and then graybor God is the biggest mistake I ever made was accidentally on my switch clicking the button that stops you from doing the crusade stuff and then sneezing and accepting because I wasn't able to get the succubus chick which means my party had to have him in it and oh my God it took him two actions to get into combat and by then everything was dead he was the most useless character I have ever had in a game
I'll have to disagree with your placement of Lann. While yes, he does feel a little grating at times, I still found value in him, both in terms of interaction and in combat, as I was able to turn him into a zen-powered machine gun with a longbow.
my only real gripe with wotr is that you cannot torment your lich companions more. as i was working towards lich i took great pleasure in tormenting staunton and i was hoping to torment him for the rest of the game... but no edit: delamere is a outright murderer, in fact she should have a unique subclass called... "murderer" also a neat thing that some people might have missed with her is she comes with a unique piece of eqiupment that only she can use but cant use because youve corrupted her... nice little easter egg
It's bad enough you dont have Lann the man in your top 5 but below Greybor and Sosiel?! For shame sir! Also Nenio is one of my all time least favourite game characters.
I don't think I've played a game that gives us such a pathetic awful person like Wenduag. And the fact that Owlcat does and then gives her so much depth and nuance is such a testament to the quality of their writing.
So glad Daeran is low on the list - really hate that guy. Maybe the only companion I am not interested in exploring, even a tiny bit. I liked even boring cleric guy more then Daeran 😂
out of the games Pathfinder 2, Pillars of Eternity 2, and Rouge Trader what would you suggest to pick up on the Steam Summer Sale? Open to other suggestions as well.
I think wrath of the righteous would be the best choice. Rogue trader is still getting patches and dlc. Pillars 2 isnt very well written and it's turn based mode was added later, so the game isn't fully designed for it. Wrath is also, like, the best CRPG ever
Seelah Lann and Nenio are bottom of the bottom tiers for me not only are they boring their class quests also suck ass if we could get another tank at the start of the game that didnt cost money as merc id throw Seelah out first second I couid.
