Because fucking great animation! thats why. Old animation is superior to almost everything that comes out nowadays. There also seems to be some kind of boom going on with old movie clips on the RU-vid Algoritm.
To explain what happened: the UN were having a peacekeeping mission. When the Japanese encounter hostile units, they request open fire, but HQ refuses as Japanese could only partake multi-nation operations but not firing on foreign soil. Hence the Japanese could only watch themselves getting killed. This also happened in real life and as 2 Japanese did died during a PKO. The Japanese government call that operation a success but many cannot see it eye to eye.
This also applies to other PKF missions. In theory, PKF could only fire when fired upon as defensive options. But in reality enemies often exploit on this ROE weakness. For example Hakija Turajlić, the Deputy Prime Minister of Bosnia and Herzegovina was killed while under UN "protection" since his French guards couldn't open fire on the attackers without direct order from UN commanders.
@@TimCeallaigh Arguably the most successful military to work in UN is India (liberated Sierra Leone and destroyed RUF). Ironically they also apparently have the most numbers of "Command violation".
ironically, during a PKO, shooting back means a severe punishment and the commendable action is either die on the spot or retreat with your guns loaded and roundful of mags (yes, they fucking carry a rifle full of rounds) This makes PKO soldier a fucking joke to anyone. From the civilian they supposed to protect and to the rebels and insurgent that terrors the townsfolk.
For a real life parallel, this opening scene is suppose to take place during the 1992-1993 UNTAC mission in Cambodia. Japan was a main contributor with Australia and other UN members.
@@dereenaldoambun9158 tanks if tanks fought an actuall mech the mech would lose reall easy as the tank already has more advantages then the mech. Mechs are so easy to spot because of the very high profile which actually makes mechs cannon fodder in reality. But i do love my mechs tho especially Macross fighter jets
@@MrFunkhauser Mechs in general are so hard to become a proper fighting vehicle especially the two legged ones as if one leg is shot it is down and it would be near impossible to shoot back as the gun has fallen with the mech. You also see the two legged mechs only have miniguns and not a smooth bore gun like the ones in m1a2 Abrams as it is already hard to keep a mech like that from falling over due as everything has to be balanced. Newtons 3rd law would make the mech fall over so easily unless it has more armor to weigh it down which makes it not mernoverable anymore which i think thats what most people think about mechs.
what's cool about Patlabour is that, not only do they show a military and construction version of their mechas but also a UN peace keepers version as well
For any Ghost in the Shell fan this is a must see. Animation techinque, character design and especially director's work (those long music sequences) - to me this is essentially a GitS draft (and a great movie by itself).
King David not really using Spider type APCs can be good from avoiding things like mines but true it can be a bad thing since it will be high profile and can be seen easily but still it might move faster
All the Japanese 'UN' units died because they were ordered to only evade and escape,. They were requesting permission to defend them selves and were denied and let the Cannadians hanlde the hostiles. The Colonel disobeyed orders (can't blame him) at the end. From what I've read elsewhere, this was not so much a swipe at the UN by the author but the policies of the Japanese government which hog-tied the self defense forces. The Canadians, reported to be the most polite people, were inbound and expected to suppress the hostiles that Japanese Units were prohibited from engaging. Watch it again and you see it. It didn't make sense to me either until someone else explained it.
@@vothbetilia4862 y'all are kinda in there since the canadian military is supposed to be the one that save the Japanese forces, due to their orders to not shoot on foreign soil.
I think the military realized not too long ago mechs are ridiculous to build and maintain when you can have 20 tanks instead for the same cost/time sink. They both gonna carry the same guns so why bother
I think that it is possible if given enough funding. But the thing is that they are impractical. Why add legs when you can add wheels? Wheels are much more efficient. If you need all terrain capabilities then there are special wheels/tracks for that too.
@Ввуулдтууррм Флуурр-Флууксс Jumping off a cliff? Good luck landing with the pilot alive. As for hiding in an urban area, infantry does that infinitely better and can be remarkably well-protected.
Did the Tunguska take the bipedal Labors out? I mean the amount or rockets/missles fired at them was far more than the 8 the tunguska carried. Secondly, the missle that takes the "spider" labor out was clearly a wire guided anti tank missle, the way it moves and sways clearly shows so. we werent shown that the tunguska fired it. Furthermore one needs to understand Labors in this universe, they came to be as woking and construction machines (hence the name "Labor") , naturally posing a threat if in the wrong hands. Measures needed to be taken, thus police labors came to be, a way for law enforcment to deal with rampaging labors. From there, adopting them to military use wasn't that far off. And no, at no point in the universe were labors meant to be better than tanks, but instead created to "work" along conventional military hardware. Lastly, it was a UN mission, and those rarely have heavily armed contigens, plus the fact that mostly UN forces work with the "only open fire after beeing engaging by hostiles" policy. Those guys were sent poorly equipped along with beeing given wrong rules of engagement for the task.
It's pretty likely the tunguska fired the missile at the UN spider labor thing. The missile apperes on screen right where the tunguska's missile launcher are located at. The director or however is supposed to keep track of this stuff probably just goofed and forgot the tunguska only had 8 missiles.
@@Voschanethe missiles that took out the mechs were RPGs from the infantry ahead of them, it seems that only first 2 and last missiles are actually from the Tonguska (though in reality its not equipped with an ATGM, though the dual 30mm cannons could have done some serious damage
Patlabor 1 & 2, 2 of the best politically themed movies that really make you think, this is what I wish there were more of, not just gratuitous sex , or naked bodies that have nothing to say,
That's a limit of budget not technology. Your 30 million specialist vehicle today is tomorrows surplus gear that gets expanded to a "multirole" model for export to budget conscious 3rd world leaders because it's not as useful in the intended role. See the F4, A7, F16 (and every other air-superiority fighter that eventually becomes an attack plane) Hell they even hung bombs off the F14 at the end
ARMA III fans and players can easily relate to the unfortunate UN Japanese peacekeepers having a hard time with the Shilka. This aside, can easily see why a lot of Patlabor movie duology scenes have so many views on YT, although I sure wish that The Early Days OVAs and the TV Series+The New Files get the same amount of love.
Yeah and also the thing about the labors that is said in this very movie. At a certain point, it is said that the Police Labors are to lightly armed for the task and their armor is also compared to cars. Then the question is brought up "what if we come face to face with a tank?" And the response was something along the lines of "Then you should close your eyes"
You'll be glad to know that the series and the movie trilogy are devoid of any loli characters. The movies are an excellent very intelligent but rather slow building investigative thriller and cop drama. There's actually very little mecha action in the movies which is a little unfortunate given the superb animation quality on display.
The tv series of patlabor is quite good also, the old one from 1989. It follows the patlabor police headquarters. I haven't watched it completely but it's kind of mecha police drama. With comedy thrown in also.
It's funny that an Tunguska SPAAG took the mechs out, this shows one of two things The the mechs have extremely thinn paper armor to the point that AA missiles (which are focused in HE power rather than AP power) managed to destroy them Or that this was a goof made by the devs, which is most likely but who knows Still is a great scene
actually that would make sense: the reason we dont have spider-tanks right now is three fold: one: there's really not that much advantage in mobility in military terms. basically, anywhere you'd need a spider-tank to go, isn't somewhere you should really be thinking about bringing tanks, and would likely be better served by helicopter gunships or infantry two: you physically cannot armor them as heavily as a tracked or even wheeled vehicle, because they need far more articulation three: current power generation and electric motors simply don't have the required power-weight ratio to make it practical, even in the multi-billion-dollar realm of military hardware, political considerations aside, we're not going to be putting nuclear reactors in what is (by necessity) a lightly armored vehicle, to do something we can use tracks and a gas turbine for.
i miss this old style anime movie drawing. not saying this day anime movie is bad but their style is vastly different since this day we just use cg and stuff
I can't stand what they did to the audio in this version - its way better without music until Tsuge gets hit and the rain starts falling, then there is an eerie low key music track.
This tank have 30 mm guns with badass fire rate and 50 mm penetration, 8 missiles with 340 mm penetration each (for ground targets), it provides targeting of 8 targets simultaneously using radar. Robots in movie does not have strong armor more than 45-50 mm (like modern APC). Tunguska has also fully stabilize platform.
@@2010Zanoza2 The sensor thingy says it is a 2S6 though, and it has the old radar from before the 2S6M1 upgrade. I don't know about modern versions, but what it is in the show has 2 double barreled 30mm cannons with about 60mm of penetration and the rockets have little pen, less then the cannons, they are anti aircraft fragmentation warheads. I am not sure if they ever gave Tunguska missiles with actual penetration.
@@shepardpolska No, warheads of rockets are combination with fragmentation warhead and cumulative part, with bad penetration for destroying modern tanks front armor, but side armor is destroyed without problems. Also it's possible to provide seriously damage to heavy armored A10 and helicopters.
And this was 3 yeard BEFORE the gits movie. Honestly this movie has cleaner line work and more grand animation overall, never new why people only remebet gits as the height of 90s Production IG animation.
Closet thing i ever i got this in real life was being part of a Bradley Fighting vehicle crew in combat. I remember watching this as a teenager and telling myself how cool that is... and i want to do that someday. I am an old man now.. i never regretted that decision. And to this day... i believe this is the most highly detailed anime 2nd only to Akira.
This single scene has always been, to me, the single best portrayal of near future grounded mech combat. Mechs used alongside other currwnt and future tech vehicles. Engagement at range against targets you dont have vissuals on using a range of scopes and sensors. Meaningful radio chatter rather than incoherent emotive screaming. Its makes me so sad that they always get painted garish colours and piloted by pretty boys with problems and or harems of teenage girls these days. Lol.
UN peacekeeping missions in a nutshell. Paint a big target on yourself and hope the combatants in the conflict ‘follow the rules’ and aren’t trigger-happy.
Me in 1993 watching Patlabor 2: "The future looks so cool with robots and technology and stuff!!!" Movie: "1999: Somewhere in Southeast Asia" Me in 2023: "That was 24 years ago!!"
It took too long to allow the attack and was destroyed without being able to attack. This could be a reality now, and there are rules that cannot be attacked without the country's highest permission. This anime expresses the rotten Japanese rules
The thing is, this is heavily geopolitical because Imperial Japan during the 'Imperialist' era (i.e. the country was run by the Imperialist Faction, which overthrew the 'Old Men' faction during the late 1920s/early 1930s) condensed centuries of colonial horror into scant decades. If JSDF opens fire in another country, the anti-Japanese sentiment will skyrocket across Indochina. It also doesn't help that a good portion of the ELECTED government is some stripe of Neo-Imperialist.
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