Patrick Mahomes Is Already An NFL Legend... 

After having to suffer through Brodie Croyle and the early 2010's, this feels really good as a Chiefs fan.

No doubt Patrick is a living legend. I appreciate the analysis. I just think the game has changed so much, it feels unfair to compare modern QBs to the legends of old.

Adjusted for era, Steve Young from 92-98 was 1.33% above league average in terms of passer rating and ANY/A. Adjusted for era, he was the most efficient QB post merger. That’s the equivalent of a 119.7 passer rating in 2021.

Mahomes … two times SB wins, two times SB MVP, two times NFL Most Valuable, NFL Offensive player of the year, two times First team All-Pro… it goes on and on…. he is definitely working towards being the future GOAT!

It’s good to see Marino getting the respect he deserves all these years later.

Any team is a Super Bowl contender with Patrick mahomes

As much of a stud Mahomes is now, seeing Dan Marino right up there shows you just how much of a lighting rod he was. Just wow.

Even as a Bengals fan, I can’t deny that Mahomes is stellar at his job. Props to him. He deserves his two rings

Great video, TF! I had a similar kind of idea a little while ago, because I wanted to see what the best 16-game spans were in NFL history. This required me to create four era-adjusted stats: CP+, Rtg+, ANY+, and SQ. The first three are measured relative to the rest of the league during the span, on a scale where 100 is average and higher is better (like baseball), measuring completion percentage, passer rating, and adjusted net yards per attempt, respectively. The last is span quality, which is equal to (20% × CP+) + (40% × Rtg+) + (40% × ANY+). Patrick Mahomes has played 80 of what I call "games that matter," i.e., for quarterbacks, regular-season games in which they threw at least one pass attempt. I'm ignoring the playoffs because they don't count for career stats and because I excluded them from my sample of 16-game spans. In those 80 games, he has thrown for 24,241 yards (most among all 167 QBs with at least 80 games that matter in their first 80 such games), 192 TDs (most), and 49 INTs (T-6th fewest; Jeff Hostetler had 42 through 80 games), and managed a completion percentage of 66.3% (2nd highest behind Dak Prescott at 66.5%), a passer rating of 105.7 (highest), and an ANY/A of 8.05 (highest). That all aligns with this video. However, he is 64th in CP+ at 102.6 (Ken Stabler leads at 115.9), 25th in Rtg+ at 115.2 (Otto Graham leads at 140.5), and 16th in ANY+ at 129.6 (Norm van Brocklin leads at 159.2), and that adds up to an average SQ of 118.4 (19th; Graham is 1st at 141.2). That's not to discredit Mahomes from any of his accomplishments; in fact, it speaks to the vast improvements in the average performance of quarterbacks through the decades, that even in the most competitive and high-quality era of QB play, Mahomes still distinguishes himself from his peers. Among QBs who have played the majority of their careers in the 21st century, he is behind only Kurt Warner, Philip Rivers, and Aaron Rodgers in average span quality over the first 80 games of a career, and he blows them all out of the water with his career counting stats to that point. What Patrick Mahomes has done is nothing short of legendary, and as a Chiefs fan I sincerely hope it continues.

To add on all those stats, this is also what mahomes has accomplished 2nd player ever to throw 50 TD 5K yds 1st player to ever trail entire playoffs by 10+ and still win superbowl 3-1 in playoff games where the game probability drops below 5% for mahomes Fastest qb ever to 100,150,170 TD Fastest qb ever to 10k,15k,20k yds Tied 1st ALL time in playoff games with 5+ TD passes Tied 1st ALL time in most TD in single postseason Most yds ever produced in single season Ranks 1st all time in every major qb stat in reg season and Playoffs Mind you mahomes has only had top heavy offenses, he’s always had either mediocre or horrible defenses. Meaning he just has to outscored everyone and has the 2nd best winning %. He’s the best ever Witness him montana, acknowledge him Brady, talk about him Peyton, force them to admit it rodgers. Isn’t he the greatest? Isn’t he the best?

Old guy here. This was a GREAT breakdown!! Thing that stood out for me, which I kinda knew, was that Dan Marino was a great quarterback on a pretty bad team. Just think if he would have played on the Chiefs, because they could have had him instead of Todd Blackledge. After watching the futility of the Chiefs to obtain a consistent QB since 1983, it is very gratifying to see Mahomes lift the Chiefs to football stratosphere! He is definitely must watch QB.

My qb 3 all time (highly debatable) Also the most talented qb I’ve ever seen

As a Seahawks fan, I'm happy that someone sees that Wilson was only a piece to the Seattle's success rather than the whole puzzle itself. W take by Tub

I wish there was an NBA version of Tub

I'd argue hes already the most talented Quarterback in NFL History

Like others have said growing up watching the chiefs refuse to grab any qb in the first round and only using either other team's qbs (especially the niners) they didn't want anymore or qbs like Brody Croyle, Damon Huard, and Tyler Thigpen to name a few. I remember being excited when learning we got Matt Cassell so yeah this is amazing having a guy like Mahomes.

Patrick mahomes legitimately already has a goat argument. And honestly, ignoring accolades which should come in time, he might already be, and that is further reinforced with these stats.

Patrick MaHomes is the best QB I have ever seen over decades. I’m not surprised he’s in a class all on his own. He makes plays I’ve never seen. He’s exceptional. Great video, thanks for your hard work. It is appreciated.

Great video. Would have loved to see Super Bowl victories considered

Seeing Brady all the way down at 12th just warms my heart ❤️. #FYTB

Yes he is 💯

You can tell this guy started following the game in 2015. Crazy you think McNabb and Russ only benefitted from the teams around them. McNabb had like no receivers from 99 until he got T.O. in 2004 which doesnt even cover his first five seasons. How many championship games did Andy Reid go to with Vick or Alex Smith? Also crazy Russ didnt contribute to the Seahawks success, they definitely have the same results with Matt Flynn 😂😂😂

I would say it would be more interesting to make that "passing yards" stat "passing yards above average" so you’re comparing Mahomes to Allen and Herbert, and not to Aikman and Steve Young. It would have been MUCH more difficult to do but would probably provide a more accurate depiction of skill. Also All Pros should probably be worth more than pro bowls.

The steady increase of tape on his wall though 💀

Before I say anything, i have to say good video, but out of the 6 categories, 3 are just are not fair to old quarterbacks at all. That being part 1, part 4, and part 5. Instead of just using those stats as is, you could compare those stats to the league average. For example, lets say a QB had a passer rating of 100 and a completion% of 65.0 over his 1st 5 years, and lets say the league averages over those 5 years were a 75 passer rating and a completion% of 55. Using the metric that u made the QB had a score of 165 and the average would have been 130. By dividing the QB score by the average score you could determine that the QB was 1.22× timer better than average QB in that category. This would account for era and it would make the video much more accurate. You could do the same for the other 2 categories. The other categories are fine though. Another thing could tweak is instead of a point system, you could just do average placement among the 6 categories.

Dan the man Marino is my favorite all time athlete and I grew up a dolphins fan and had his jersey as a kid too.

For future videos, you should dive more into the adjusted passing stats found on profootballreference, it gives better insight as to how good a QB was in their era. Really highlights some unique QB’s that you might not have been as high on as you should be. You certainly didn’t need to “make your own ‘efficiency stat’”

Bro the tape on and around Brady's pic in the background has steadily grown lol

Lovin the spongebob music in the background. #vibez

Bro I been rocking with u since u had less than 5k these videos too good for ur views , when u blow up I won’t be mad at you but you need to reupload everything again😂 so everyone can see

Passer efficiency and bulk stats steadily increase every decade. Pro football references has adjusted passing category with ANY/A+ and passer rating+ which contextualizes how you rank among peers. 100 is dead average. It’s a more accurate tool otherwise Kirk Cousins is a first ballot hofer.

8:36 well it’s because being 11th is the same as being 25th you should have made it a 25 point scale

Yes, he is legendary and incomparable to any era of proballers. They all have their own personalities and unique way of playing in the NFL.

McNabb just doesn't get the credit for how good a QB he was.

Interesting breakdown and Mahomes is off to a sizzling start. But what is up with your wall?

As a Brady and Patriots fan, I wanna try to explain why Brady isn't in the top ten. For those who may have been expecting him to. Keep in mind, this video shows stats from their first 5 seasons. Brady sat out his first year, the year he was drafted. Now while he did win 3 superbowls over the next 4 years after, he hadn't developed into the passing threat wr know him as now. He was good, yes. But, no where near as good. He played the role Unitas and Manning did of being the field general and did that well, but didn't have the flashy plays or numbers yet at the time. In those first 5 years, his teams, imo, were so good because of their defense. Keeping in mind Belichick was a defensive coordinator for the Giants before this, it's easy to see how their defense was so dominant. We also have to remember that 2 of those 3 superbowls were won because of an Adam Field goal, and not a Brady drive. He hadn't proven himself to be as dominant as he we know now, so he played more conservatively than we're used to him doing and played more methodical football. Now, if this video had compared those qb's entire careers, Brady would be top 5 along with Brees and Manning and maybe Montana. But, it goes to show that not all legends started off as legends like Mahomes did, giving Mahomes just that little more credibility.

64W-16L in 5 seasons. . . That says so much

I can remember as a young chiefs fan not understanding why we played gerbac over Gannon then we went threw all the others even Kyle orton for a season I was overwhelmed when we drafted a qb in the first round and then seen what he can do I will say alex smith was prob our best qb before mahomes and after Montana

I have a theory that Mahomes is good at football

To adjust stats for the Era I would use the ranking of the stat compared to those in their Era. Example, qb A was top 3 in qbr for 3 years out of 5.

Okay so I'm not crazy and there is tape being added to the Tom Brady photo every video

Did this video need to be published? Because we already know

Always knew that Philip Rivers was an excellent but severely underrated quarterback. 🙌🏼 I love Mahomes but Philip is my second fave (so are the Chargers 🤣🤣)

I AGREE. Mahomes, Brady, & Montana are the only 3 to have 2 SB MVPs, 2 SB Wins, and 2 MVPs. Mahomes is the fastest to 10,000, 15,000, and 20,000 Passing Yards. In 2022, Mahomes broke the record for Passing + Rushing Yards. He amassed more than anyone in NFL History. Plus 2022 was his 2nd 5,000+ yards Season. The NFL compared Brady & Mahomes First 5 Years Starting and shared these stats: SB WINS: Brady 3 / Mahomes 2 SB App: Brady 3 / Mahomes 3 CCG App: Brady 3 / Mahomes 5 League MVP: Brady 0 / Mahomes 2 (yes two) SB MVP: Brady 3 / Mahomes 2 Total Yds: Brady 20,906 / Mahomes 29,961 Total Touchdowns: Brady 143 / Mahomes 244 Pass Rtg: Brady 88.6 / Mahomes 106.2 By Age 27: Playoffs: Brady 11 TDs/3 INT Mahomes 35 TD's/7 INT MAHOMES SHATTERED RECORD BOOKS ENTERING 75TH [actually 74th game for Mahomes] CAREER STARTS MOST WINS: Brady 56 / Mahomes Ranked #1 w/59 MOST PASSING YDS: Brady (not in top 5) / Mahomes Ranked #1 22,576 MOST PASSING TDS: Brady (not in top 5) / Mahomes Ranked #1 180 TDS HIGHEST PASSER RATING: Brady (not in top 5) / Mahomes Ranked #1 105.7 HIGHEST WIN PERCENTAGE: Brady 75.4% (ranked #2) / Mahomes Ranked #1 80% (after SB 57).

Whats crazy about mahomes is how everyone said he wont be as good because he lost hill. The man said id bet and won another superbowl on 1 leg with only a great te and a revolving door at wr and rb. Lol not a chiefs fan but my god he seems too surreal.

Still Mahomes🏈🔥

And Donovan McNabb is critically underrated

Looks like Kenny Stabler pulled a reverse Michael Jackson?

IMO Patty already top 3 all time behind Brady and Montana

This Patrick guy is pretty good

Ok, so I still start all my videos saying, "ok so"

Patrick mahomes is the baby 🐐

If mahomes retired today he would be in the hall of fame.

Does the frog respond?

Marino doesn't get the credit he deserves? He was considered the best talent wise until recently

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Incidentally, Tub Frog, your passing yardage is technically incorrect. U didn't add his Week 17 stats of 2017 which brings his total to 24,241. I say technically because otherwise u would have had to base your comparisons on 6 years so u are correct.

its all about spending time behind alex smith

It’s awesome because he totally plays hero ball and gets away with it

Where is Warren Moon???

Damn Eli ain’t make ya too 25 but McNabb and Rivers 😭 and Kelly on there twice

Where is Andrew Luck on these lists?

Patrick mahomes is the goat

He’s already top 5 maybe even top 3.

Based on the player graphic, I'm just going to assume that Jim Kelly, Ken Stabler, Fran Tarkenton, and (Chad?) Kelly are all super, super black.

Do you think comparing their top five years would be beneficial?

he's the best QB you ever seen

How come Stabler doesn't have a face? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Is that Brady infecting your wall?

Mahomes also leads all QBs in Most Annoying Family

Listening to regular humans try to explain, figure out, or label Patrick is getting pretty entertaining as time goes on. Do "experts" routinely compare a Rolls Royce to a Camry? The NFL has a couple of Corvettes and maybe a few Mustangs, but there's only one Rolls and it's going to run all over you. Stop trying to rationalize it and just understand it's a force of nature you can't understand and certainly can't control. RUN IT BACK - EVERY DAMN YEAR

I think he is to

Mahomes is the best ever. End of discussion

Why is Ken Stabler black on your charts?

Anyone who looks objectively and honestly at the facts knows Mahomes is already the best QB ever. It didn't take 6 championships before people crowned Jordan the GOAT. We knew it when we saw it, and the more we saw it, the more we knew it. Although you're using the completely wrong stats to measure QB success, and you didn't weight the scoring at all, which means things like TDs and INT % are equally as valuable as pointless measurements such as the popularity contest and clown show that constitutes a Pro Bowl appearance...yet you've somehow come up with the correct answer anyway. A-

Mahomes and Graphs don’t really get along lmao

I don’t like ur two stats wins and pro bowls. 1) wins for a QB is not a stat worth using. It’s a team stat. If you did a offensive rank instead that would’ve been better. 2) Pro bowl is not a stat too. Ex. Mac jones has as many pro bowls as bradshaw

Does anyone else get a feeling that Mahomes is going to get hurt and struggle to stay on the field in the coming years? He's still so young and is clearly the best QB of his generation at this point, but at some point it's going to catch up to him. He doesn't play in a reckless way like Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson, but with my nearly 4 decades of following the NFL, I've seen this sort of thing happen before. I certainly don't hope for that to happen to him as he is amazing to watch and incredibly gifted, but there is an element of his game that relies on his athleticism and few athletic QB's like him are able to play at that level for very long. The one advantage he has is he is a really great pocket passer too (this past Super Bowl a perfect example) and can pick apart a defense without using his legs.

r/toprightMahomes

Rodgers is top 5 all time no doubt

Patrick mahomes is top five all time...debate a wall.

All I ever take away from these types of stat videos is holy sweet raging Jesus was Dan Marino just some kind of otherwordly animal dropped here to show us humans how to throw shit. lol Dan would have been a top 5-10 QB in the 2010s BUT this man was in the NFL in the goddamn 80's... it just doesn't even compute. Dude was built different.

mahomes is the next brady

Dude are u in prison

The changes for the QB position throughout different eras, imo, aren't as different as say the NBA changing the traveling rule. It's not the rule changes that changed the game of football as much as it is the size of players. This era values speed, in turn resulting in smaller players. That's the biggest difference between the NFL today and the NFL in 1980

Still crazy how hurts played better but lost lmao

This guy doesnt know football. Why not include stats like completion percentage or yards per attempt that translate across all eras? Yards is dumb, Jay Cutler passed for more yards that some HOF QBs

Mahomes better than rodgers

Give me one more ring then we'll talk top 5 all time. But right now stop calling him Brady 2.0.

How is Eli not even in the talent pool? I mean he wasn't good but neither was Bradshaw

You count same categories double and triple while not adjusting for era (example; compl. pct + Rating, which already includes cmp pct)... Ofc Mahomes comes out on top then. Always loving your vids, but this one is really flawed. So here we go with real numbers (adjusted for era): Pcercentage above league average in passer rating per football-reference (random QBs chosen, min. 7 games played = at least 50% of games per "old" 14 game schedule): Mahomes 131 124 122 117 109 Rivers 127 126 120 115 101 McMahon 127 117 111 107 103 Marino 141 125 124 119 113 Unitas 135 127 125 116 106 Graham 149 142 134 120 110 Montana 134 124 123 122 118 You see the pattern? Mahomes is in the middle of random picked famous QBs in the history of pro football. Mahomes gets the benefit of the soft rules the NFL implemented for passers. People think he is the next "Jesus" because memory fades away. Yet every decade had its "Mohomes", or two, or three...

Tom Brady is still the 🐐and will always be better than mahomes

Pass rush mahomes and he crumples like a rag doll. Take out bullshit PI’s you have nothing

Aaron Rodgers is the GOAT!!!!

I'm fine with most of this, but Pro Bowl and All Pro are the most useless stats in football. Your list doesn't pass the eye ball test. Brady won 3 Superbowls with 3 SB MVPs but is number 13. Any stat that has McNabb higher in the first 5 years than Brady, Brees, Aikman, and Rodgers is a garbage stat. And total yards is misleading too. Although Peyton Manning was undeniably amazing, his teams passed much more often early in his career because the Colts sucked and played from behind.

He's a god, but people saying he's better than Tom Brady is a joke. Could he be one day? Sure. Is he right now? Nope.

Lesss go KC

Give it five years. Mahomes won’t even be that good. He will be more than a legend. That man’s gonna be wearing so many rings he may not be able to bomb one lol. Go chiefs baby!!!!

Take Wilson OUT of the beginning of your video we all know he won ONLYA BECAUSE he had the most powerful RB and best secondary in NFL HISTORY E V E R. Look at him now.