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@CurlyBoyChuck
@CurlyBoyChuck 2 месяца назад
THANK YOUA FINALLY SOMEONE BRINGS UP SABRINA the actual winner of the medal! She would have gotten a 13.800+ had they scored her DV correctly at a 6.2 be a 5.9! Her 13.800+ would have beaten Jordan’s 13.766 adjusted score! The verdict should be a shared medal between Jordan and Sabrina. Ana really didn’t earn that bronze she’s getting it by default.
@EngagementRing-y1u
@EngagementRing-y1u 2 месяца назад
This is it! The judges had one job and failed spectacularly.
@MonicaL.San.
@MonicaL.San. 2 месяца назад
In the spirit of what Olympics mean, I agree all three gymnasts should get the bronze.
@AbimaelParrilla
@AbimaelParrilla 2 месяца назад
She didn’t deserve the difficulty period thats been said done everything. The excution is debatable as its not official oob deductions.
@0xTRellyx0
@0xTRellyx0 2 месяца назад
No, Sabrina is not the rightful winner. She had time to put in an inquiry. She did not. She accepted the score. End of Story.
@g3hw
@g3hw 2 месяца назад
@@0xTRellyx0Yes. I agree. Sabrina can only blame her mom.
@glaznflip1501
@glaznflip1501 2 месяца назад
Nadia Comaneci proposed the same idea and it was rejected.
@RebeccaTaylorTillery
@RebeccaTaylorTillery 2 месяца назад
That was my thought as well. Sabrina actually deserved the medal, but since the judges totally screwed everything up, a 3 way bronze would solve everything.
@marcusgraham5084
@marcusgraham5084 2 месяца назад
Regardless of who deserves the medal, the judges bungled.
@0xTRellyx0
@0xTRellyx0 2 месяца назад
No, Sabrina is not the rightful winner. She had time to put in an inquiry. She did not. She accepted the score. End of Story.
@RebeccaTaylorTillery
@RebeccaTaylorTillery 2 месяца назад
@@0xTRellyx0 you can't file an inquiry for execution, only difficulty. Out of bounds is an execution deduction, not a difficulty deduction. She was unable to file an inquiry because it was execution.
@RebeccaTaylorTillery
@RebeccaTaylorTillery 2 месяца назад
@@marcusgraham5084 exactly. In order to correct their egregious errors, all 3 should get a bronze medal
@hotsplayer2207
@hotsplayer2207 2 месяца назад
can I have a bronze medal too?
@marilynnelson2240
@marilynnelson2240 2 месяца назад
I don’t understand why Jordan Chiles is getting racist backlash for something that is not her fault🤦🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️
@TheFlowMind
@TheFlowMind 2 месяца назад
She’s claiming to receive racism comments. I haven’t seen one. The whole Twitter is with Jordan and bullying the other girls.
@Knottyp1ne
@Knottyp1ne 2 месяца назад
@@TheFlowMindshe’s not the one claiming it it’s her family. not sure how they don’t realize bringing it up just makes it worse for her
@barbarajones2920
@barbarajones2920 2 месяца назад
@@TheFlowMindWell, I’ve seen plenty. Don’t know why you are trying to make it seem as if it’s not happening.
@barbarajones2920
@barbarajones2920 2 месяца назад
@@Knottyp1neThe horrible thing is that it happened at all; the shame belongs to the bully.
@georgianasutu5882
@georgianasutu5882 2 месяца назад
Just read a comment saying judges wanted a “white willowy gymnast” on that podium. Racism goes both ways
@cosmosunited
@cosmosunited 2 месяца назад
We in Romania we love all 3 gymnasts and I am sick and tired of being called racist just for some rude comments...there are rude people everywhere!
@Elena-fe3os
@Elena-fe3os 2 месяца назад
People cannot accept they have lost and that the judges made errors..let them be
@eeaotly
@eeaotly 2 месяца назад
Calling someone "racist" is the laziest way to try to win an argument (or to start one). Just move on.
@1237tnb
@1237tnb 2 месяца назад
You're not going to be called racist in less you behave in a way that's racist. If you say that, Sabrina deserves the medal for reasons X, Y, Z. That's not racist. If you say racist stuff about Chiles then that's racist. To me it's the IOC that may be racist.
@eeaotly
@eeaotly 2 месяца назад
@@1237tnb I used to think the same. Until I was called racis when disagreeing on cat's behaviour or herbal use. In front of argumentation - the most en vogue ad hominem. That made me change opinion.
@1237tnb
@1237tnb 2 месяца назад
@eeaotly I think it's important to remember that some people are just stupid. There will always be people who engage you in bad faith arguments. You know your intentions, so trust in yourself. 😊 Now, I will caveat, if someone is speaking about their experience it's important for us all to listen, but to my original point Yeah.
@Jeanne90275
@Jeanne90275 2 месяца назад
The best solution. The 3'athletes have been treated shabbily; ironically, it looks like Sabrina Voincea was the actually winner.
@onileemusic3444
@onileemusic3444 2 месяца назад
Completely agree! She was robbed. Why is she not getting the attention the other two are!?
@micheleclark59
@micheleclark59 2 месяца назад
I wrote to Nadia asking about this! They’ve screwed it up so bad I think they have to give all 3 the spot!
@popeekai.m6368
@popeekai.m6368 2 месяца назад
She was!
@RebeccaTaylorTillery
@RebeccaTaylorTillery 2 месяца назад
​@micheleclark59 that is my thought as well. These young women have been training for years for this, the least the judges can do is score correctly. Given their royal screwup, giving all three a bronze.
@MaryBethMcCoy
@MaryBethMcCoy 2 месяца назад
Yes, I also agree. They just need to correct each gymnast’s score to determine the winner. This is simple math, not rocket science.
@mz.paulab.738
@mz.paulab.738 2 месяца назад
Damn! Just give all 3 women the Brronze, revamp the judging panel & change the scoring system to include all athletes be given the same amount of time to report the need for an inquiry; don't display the scores until the slo-mo footage has been seen before posting= gives the judges ample time to pay attention to detail= eliminate this type of fiasco in the future👍🏽👍🏽
@battlehymnoftheempath3610
@battlehymnoftheempath3610 2 месяца назад
Yes, and the review process for inquiries should not be separate. The coaches should inquire about difficulty and penalties at the same time and not have to file them separately, and there should be a VAR system in place to determine out of bounds deductions that are too close to call.
@preciouspearl487
@preciouspearl487 2 месяца назад
Yea.. they/judges messed this up real good..they need instant replay and special care on judging..
@mimisor66
@mimisor66 2 месяца назад
Yes, if we have technology why not use it? I believe that a fair score is better than going fast and not taking time to review video footage. Judges are human too, so they should take a second look to award a just score. At least at this level of competition!
@mz.paulab.738
@mz.paulab.738 2 месяца назад
@@mimisor66 true talk 👍🏽👍🏽
@Elena-fe3os
@Elena-fe3os 2 месяца назад
The medals are awarded by merits..Extremely rare in gymnastics to have identical score, which does not seem the case. Only one deserves bronze...and one should get it. What judges can do, for future, as it is not first time with disputes and appeals..is to be objective and to delay the awards, till they check angles on camera, as they do in other sports
@edwardallenmiranda3424
@edwardallenmiranda3424 2 месяца назад
Why is it so hard just to give them medals?
@Elena-fe3os
@Elena-fe3os 2 месяца назад
Because there was not the same score. In gymnastics it is extremely rare for the gymnasts to get same score, having different programs, difficulty and executions..The score was different, so, only one gets a medal
@loweloking88
@loweloking88 2 месяца назад
After all this drama, they should just give all 3 girls the medal
@ChrisP-zj5jq
@ChrisP-zj5jq 2 месяца назад
Shade on US athletes perhaps????
@TweetyTaffy
@TweetyTaffy 2 месяца назад
Let him talk.
@LemonsAndSalt69
@LemonsAndSalt69 2 месяца назад
Fair or not, the bronze will eventually be shared. The way these three gymnasts have been treated is terrible.
@ChrisP-zj5jq
@ChrisP-zj5jq 2 месяца назад
A nice commercial endorsement check for Jordan (think sports apparel, accessories, etc.) will go a long way to smooth things over. Her publicist and IP lawyer need to get cracking!!!!
@unknown-lf6zx
@unknown-lf6zx 2 месяца назад
It’s awful how these athletes were treated. Judges failed and no one else to blame
@ohroonoko
@ohroonoko 2 месяца назад
It has been so frustrating watching mainstream media talk about Jordan Chiles getting the shaft while completely ignoring Sabrina, the true Bronze medalist of the floor routine. This is the first I have heard anyone even mention her since the actual event when they showed the replay.
@robin-u5l
@robin-u5l 2 месяца назад
It’s been settled. She does not get a medal. Stop trying to give her one anyways. It’s ridiculous !
@nixey738
@nixey738 2 месяца назад
​@user-uf6gi7vo2w I think olympics need to change rule. If it's an individual competition, the previous gold and silver winner shouldn't be allowed to have more than 1 athlete in a country compete in the same event. Only 1 athlete from each country can win 1 medal. It's stupid how usa would win gold and still win another medal too.
@amyg4115
@amyg4115 2 месяца назад
@@nixey738yeah, no, that’s ridiculous! Once they make it to the Olympics within the limits of how many athletes can comprise a team, those in the final should be those who scored highest in qualifying, not those who scored highest except the third athlete from one country, who is skipped over as a better scoring athlete on the day it matters for finals placement-quals-who is left out in favor of a lower scoring gymnast from another nation. There are sports that allow the podium to be comprised of athletes from one country. I also think a tie should be a tie-you get the same score, you get the same medal, because breaking the tie, especially using the e-score, which contains the most subjectivity, is ridiculous. In situation Ms like this, where judging incompetence and errors isn’t the fault of the athletes, per prior precedent, all should be given a medal in a three way tie, and those judges promptly removed and replaced from the panel. Also, if judges just used more technology and utilized slow motion and zoomed in video footage from all angles to determine every score to achieve better accuracy and not force countries to have to pay to have judging mistakes corrected. Just super scrutinize and score every routine that way and eliminate the majority of inquiries to start with!
@46foryounger
@46foryounger 2 месяца назад
@@robin-u5lhow is it ridiculous of her mark was higher than the other two
@katiewilliams5643
@katiewilliams5643 2 месяца назад
I’m so angry with the international Olympic committee Jordan shouldn’t give up her medal all 3 should get the bronze medal and end this story this is ridiculous I feel for Jordan Chiles this is not her fault she’s off social media who could blame her the posts that have been sent to her are terrible this ridiculous I personally think the judges should just leave her alone and give all 3 a medal case. Close 😊
@goodnight3379
@goodnight3379 2 месяца назад
Yes Triple bronze
@brandonaldaymachuse6669
@brandonaldaymachuse6669 2 месяца назад
Just give them the bronze. And while they're at it, give Raducan her 2000 Sydney AA Gold Medal.
@frenchtoast66
@frenchtoast66 2 месяца назад
Amen 🙌🏼
@viorela77
@viorela77 2 месяца назад
Poor, Elizabeth! She thought Patrick would show his support only for Jordan. Instead, he taught her a great lesson. She is a journalist, she should have been objective. She seems so surprised that he mentions that Sabrina is the true winner of the bronze medal! 🤣🤣🤣
@micheleclark59
@micheleclark59 2 месяца назад
The Facts are the SCORES should be 13.7 Barbosa 13.76 Chiles and Sabrina also Romanian did a 13.8…judges docked her 0.1 for stepping out which NEVER HAPPENED. Now Romania Already asked to have a 3 way tie for 3rd… I don’t GET why they’d give it to Barbosa! BC she cried the hardest?
@EngagementRing-y1u
@EngagementRing-y1u 2 месяца назад
Exactly! They are only doing this because it is the easiest option for them to put an end to all of this. Otherwise, they would have to dig deeper and reveal more skeletons in their "closet." They are concealing their deeply rooted errors at the expense of these three talented and hardworking gymnasts.
@Mario-q1m
@Mario-q1m 2 месяца назад
You have good logic but I don't see why Chiles should get it eaither. I'm sure she is crying even more after actually having to send it back. If you give it to Chiles then you have to give it to Barbosa. Although I think only Sabrina should get it. I also don't see them taking it away from her a second time.
@marcusgraham5084
@marcusgraham5084 2 месяца назад
Triple bronze medals is the only way to quell this fiasco.
@BigMikeBell1
@BigMikeBell1 2 месяца назад
Did Sabrina appeal the decision? If not, she is a non-factor.
@Softdrama978
@Softdrama978 2 месяца назад
@@BigMikeBell1she did not
@haniapowalka6052
@haniapowalka6052 2 месяца назад
This is not her fault she deserves the bronze medal
@thrax8964
@thrax8964 2 месяца назад
Bravo Ana. We are extremely satisfied!
@Ineddiblehulk
@Ineddiblehulk 2 месяца назад
This is awful- they robbed the Romanian of her moment on the Dias. They put the American through the trauma of happing a medal stripped. These athletes put everything on the line and then have it taken away by people with no accountability.
@Geohappyluck
@Geohappyluck 2 месяца назад
Why ask a tennis player? Now I would like to hear Olga Korbut or Nellie Kim's take on this matter.
@46foryounger
@46foryounger 2 месяца назад
Well, that might be the case he gave the most clearest explanation of what went down than anyone unless you were looking at it from a execution of movement commentary but this is really about points and what occurred and I thought he broke it down very clearly
@ANGELSLVME
@ANGELSLVME 2 месяца назад
It’s the JUDGES FAULT! Award all 3 a BRONZE!! Give them their own ceremony and BE DONE WITH IT!
@Summonearth
@Summonearth 2 месяца назад
Romania and USA apparently agreed to share medals between Ana and Jordan and if it was allowed, get one for Sabrina also but IOC said no to the proposal.
@Marina_7
@Marina_7 2 месяца назад
Romania already proposed this when they initially made their appeals to CAS, glad to see Americans want this as well; even though the idea was rejected from the beginning sadly.
@dmoore2732
@dmoore2732 2 месяца назад
I vehemently disagree. As an American spectator rooting for her team, I still say there were three distinct scores and only one winner of the bronze. However, the situation should be thoroughly investigated to determine the correct winner. This is the Olympics and there should be no participation medals awarded. I sympathize with Jordan Chiles, but she must accept defeat if it is determined that one of the other women has actually won. The same argument is brewing over the men's 100m and 100m hurdle races. Jamaicans are campaigning to have the gold medal shared between Noah Lyles and Kishane Thompson and the silver medal between Daniel Roberts and Rasheed Broadbell. Do you want the track stars to share their gold and silver medals too? I don't.
@ChrisP-zj5jq
@ChrisP-zj5jq 2 месяца назад
".. there should be no participation medals awarded..." That's exactly what Hezly Rivera received, even though she did not perform with the Olympics gymnastics team this year!
@lblugerman
@lblugerman 2 месяца назад
This is exactly what I always thought
@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO
@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO 2 месяца назад
Tennis? Why tf is he even giving an opinion?
@FLeigh12
@FLeigh12 2 месяца назад
YES...!!!! THANKS TO MCENROE WHO REMINDED US ALL THAT SABRINA IS THE TRUE OLYMPIC CHAMPION AND BRONZE MEDALIST . ---- Hard to believe we have evidence/ footage of her ON the mat and not out of bounds. Yet we still gave the medal to Chiles and the Romanian. SABRINA SHOULD BE SUING FOR THE BRONZE..!!!
@sandramorey2529
@sandramorey2529 2 месяца назад
My thought, too. There's very good reason to give all three the Bronze.
@kevindevilliers3572
@kevindevilliers3572 2 месяца назад
Elizabeth is thick, and biased. She's not even following Patrick. All above her head.
@JD_49
@JD_49 2 месяца назад
Judges wrongly scored her. Appeal made, and they corrected her mistake. The Romanian gymnast who was in third should have been in fourth as they wrongly faulted the one for stepping out of bounds when she didn't. Appeal from Romania and without any proof, they changed their corrected ruling to a wrong one. USA appealed and showed evidence that the Romanian appeal was wrong and they say 'ah sorry we aren't capable of correcting a wrong ruling even when proving we are wrong' and now the result is that the 5th place gymnast is getting bronze. What the actual F
@YoSmitty55
@YoSmitty55 2 месяца назад
No the Olympics in Paris was a sham from the opening ceremony. BUT Team 🇺🇸 showed out in every sport. That is what made it so great. ❤❤ Now let me listen...
@sharonharvey9
@sharonharvey9 2 месяца назад
Three medals please!!
@CCRoxtar
@CCRoxtar 2 месяца назад
I hope USA gymnasts will respond to this dumpster fire by refusing to compete in any further Olympics until scoring reform is implemented so they can trust that their routines will be scored fairly, & their scores will stick once medals are awarded. Never, EVER strip an athlete of a medal UNLESS that athlete has doped or cheated or assaulted someone.
@glennjthompson332
@glennjthompson332 2 месяца назад
😮‍💨I'm so confused!😔
@LadyVenVen
@LadyVenVen 2 месяца назад
I'll summarize. Both Romanians scored higher than Jordan even with the revised score. Sabrina won.
@fatimateresa19
@fatimateresa19 2 месяца назад
Sabrina won the bronze
@jennl8462
@jennl8462 2 месяца назад
They go by their clock not video footage.
@ailecerreip8750
@ailecerreip8750 2 месяца назад
Could you share it? Let them be rewarded for their effort.
@LadyVenVen
@LadyVenVen 2 месяца назад
It was a competition, and Jordan lost. Everyone knew it. She knew her routine wasn't better. The US commentators were shocked she won. When US commentators who are Olympic gymnasts like Laurie Hernandez don't even believe you won and your score shouldn't have been higher, it's pretty clear she lost.
@ailecerreip8750
@ailecerreip8750 2 месяца назад
@@LadyVenVen , well, you are saying something completely different to those there. Were you there? Because they admitted they didn't reward her for a specific difficulty she did. Looking back at the records they realize it was wrong. So, was there something else that happened while you were there?
@LadyVenVen
@LadyVenVen 2 месяца назад
@@ailecerreip8750 I am not saying completely different things. Are you people even paying attention? I get that Simone has brought a lot of new viewers to gymnastics but guys at least do some research. Her leap was not done properly just look at it. It does have a -.1 deduction on her difficulty. Typically it would be on execution but hers was not good enough to even be added. Her execution throughout the whole routine was terrible too. If you don't believe me I'm sure you can find people explaining the scoring step my step and what the gymnast should have been correctly awarded.
@ailecerreip8750
@ailecerreip8750 2 месяца назад
@@LadyVenVen You, may be correct with your judgments. But, the judges didn't say what you are saying. The judges awarded her the points. That's all I'm saying. You are saying something different. They said it was good and awarded her the points. Now, they are taking it back because of another investigation. All three girls should be made to feel happy. The judges messed them up. Maybe people like you should have been the judges. Then we would not be in this mess. These girls are heartbroken.
@LadyVenVen
@LadyVenVen 2 месяца назад
@@ailecerreip8750 Well, yes, they have to say that to be able to give the medal back to Romania. You have to read between the lines. It is easier to find an excuse why they can't give Jordan the medal than make it more complicated and say, “We underscored Sabrina, and we shouldn't have given Jordan the point because she didn't complete it.” They would need to admit two mistakes. Instead, they are blaming one thing outside of the judges. If they were doing it correctly they would give the medal to Sabrina but they can't without admitting the judges scored incorrectly.
@stella5870
@stella5870 2 месяца назад
I agree however get rid of those judges
@annagarza7299
@annagarza7299 2 месяца назад
WHY are people SHITTING ON JORDAN ????? you should be SHITTING ON THE JUDGES LEAVE JORDAN ALONE
@ljacobs357
@ljacobs357 2 месяца назад
First. I thought the Romanian was better. Second, the US team did exceed the time. The medal should be shared.
@MaryBethMcCoy
@MaryBethMcCoy 2 месяца назад
Well, according to the US team, there is video footage that is time stamped proving that the inquiry was made within the 1 minute time limit. So, if that video is produced, that evidence should be accepted. I think that the scores for each gymnast should be corrected and recalculated, and whoever has the highest score should get the medal. Unfortunately, it is the judges that made these errors and they should also be held accountable. From what I read, there is a sensor which is triggered when a gymnast steps out of bounds, so if that is the case, the other Romanian probably did go out of bounds but it might be difficult to see on the video of her performance. In any case, I feel sorry for all these gymnasts who have had to endure this situation, but to me, awarding all of them the medal doesn’t make sense because there is a way to determine the true winner by simply correcting the scores.
@sandrapryor2094
@sandrapryor2094 2 месяца назад
I agree with you except the Americans did NOT exceed their time.
@frenchtoast66
@frenchtoast66 2 месяца назад
If they approve the video evidence of Jordan, they have to approve Sabrina's too, and in this case she remains the bronze winner. I feel for Jordan, but sorry if we speak pure floor exercise (letting you the judges drama), she doesn't deserve the 3rd place.
@Elena-fe3os
@Elena-fe3os 2 месяца назад
Why shared medal when they do not have same score? The medals are given on merit, not sympathy
@Mario-q1m
@Mario-q1m 2 месяца назад
What are the racist remarks and form whom???? Everything today is considered racist so I want facts. Patrick is at least honest to mention the other gymnast who no one else will mention because of their biased to to US. Despicable!!! The lady does not care about what if fair only that Jordan Chiles gets a bronze when the true winner beyond and shodow of doubt is the one who they said stepped out of bounds and clearly did not.
@mimisor66
@mimisor66 2 месяца назад
It seems that just suggesting that a black gymnast lose her medal in favour of a white gymnast is racist. What happened to not caring about skin colour?😮
@ChrisP-zj5jq
@ChrisP-zj5jq 2 месяца назад
I thought Ana was the one who performed the best floor exercise???? Let's have a 3-way "floor off" to determine once and for all who deserves that bronze medal!!!
@1237tnb
@1237tnb 2 месяца назад
This IOC is a hot hot mess. I think it should... okay triple medal. The judges should be fired.
@Geohappyluck
@Geohappyluck 2 месяца назад
I even think Sabrina should be second. But since this is not gonna happen, she is the apt winner for the third. And Chiles will keep the bronze medal. Please do not hate Jordan, she has nothing to do with this mess.
@viorela77
@viorela77 2 месяца назад
Who knows? Maybe at the Swiss Tribunal, they will take Simone's medal, as well! She stepped out of the map twice. You better be prepared for this!🤣🤣🤣
@angel91485
@angel91485 2 месяца назад
what should be given double bronze are the tennis semifinalists, imagine fighting for a bronze, for one more game,..I get the finals would have to play another game, but at least the loser gets a silver.. but in the Bronze game the other leaves empty handed.
@Elena-fe3os
@Elena-fe3os 2 месяца назад
They do not have the same score, so, they will be awarded based on that
@catgm6984
@catgm6984 2 месяца назад
Agree
@Rob2
@Rob2 2 месяца назад
Sports where the outcome is based on points given by a jury should not be part of the Olympics. Go for sports with measurable metrics like time, weight, distance that can be compared between competitors.
@skaterboy-cz9wj
@skaterboy-cz9wj 2 месяца назад
I know most of the people here are supporters of JOrdan. And that is fine. But some of us really support all of these fine athletes. There are so man point of views. Someone said re judge the event and that appears to favor Sabrina. To be fair some say her foot somehow set off the sensors so that suggests maybe score wise Jordan would win. On the other hand looking at Jordan's elements the one where she got an additional .1 was not clearly done cleanly and arguably should not count or lowered in execution which would put her behind Sabrina and Ana most likely. I like a lot of people were so proud of Jordan and with her excitement of winning an individual bronze after the disappointment of the All Around. Her comments to some were a bit brash and seemed like she was gloating but she was very proud of her self and her accomplishment - give the girl some credit and a break. It may have been hard on Ana who had just lost the gold but such is life. I cringe when people say the medal should go to the rightful owner and then say Jordan. As decided by who. aGain Jordan and friends sing well There have been issues about was the person sitting on CAS biased with Romanian ties. To be honest a lot of judges in the judicial system may be former colleagues or bosses i working for the Crown/District attorney and someone becomes a judge. The issue is can they use the legal parameters and apply the rules without being biased. Everyone may have a preference but can you separate it. That's one thing that comes out in the "tone" of a lot of these posts. They tend to favour a certain or one gymnast. I think Jordan has had some "bad luck" not being allowed to compete in the all around and now this. It is clear she has huge supporters and powerful names behind her. But there is good precedent with 2002 Salt Lake City where they gave out two gold medals. Neither should be penalized due to bad judging and likewise here.
@46foryounger
@46foryounger 2 месяца назад
They need to look into why these judges are making so many mistakes because I read somewhere that to put in a dispute. It cost like over hundreds of thousands of dollars for someone to dispute the judges score and I am wondering if it’s just the money grab on the judges part and they thought they were gonna get away with that shit and they didn’t becausepeople are streaming they can rewatch the footage. It’s not like back in the day when nothing was recorded, and you couldn’t rewatch it just play replay the stream and watch it.
@TheD2D21
@TheD2D21 2 месяца назад
You know what I don't understand? People defending this as if THEY were the ones who had competed. All glory and honor of defeat for giving it your all goes to the athletes not the wannabes and has-beens like these.
@skaterboy-cz9wj
@skaterboy-cz9wj 2 месяца назад
Yes the judges screwed up like in Salt Lake City 2002 and they shared the medal. And the other issue is that Chiles element did not look completed. This guy is right th ejudging made too many errors. Share the medal. Chiles should not get any abuse. Yes, her original response when she took the medal from the Romanian was not helpful (she kind of did a Noah
@EngagementRing-y1u
@EngagementRing-y1u 2 месяца назад
Yes, even if there is proof of Jordan's coach challenging the score at 47 seconds, they still won't consider it. Similarly, Sabrina’s video showing she did not step out of bounds, along with the difficulty score error, was also dismissed. My only hope after this unreasonable outcome is for significant changes in gymnastics evaluations going forward, to ensure that this never happens again.
@MaryBethMcCoy
@MaryBethMcCoy 2 месяца назад
According to what I read, there is a sensor that is triggered if a gymnast steps out of bounds. If that is true, it may be that she did but it isn’t clearly seen on the video.
@EngagementRing-y1u
@EngagementRing-y1u 2 месяца назад
@@MaryBethMcCoy I haven’t read anything about that but, even if true, they still messed up with her difficulty score. During qualifications and her floor team final routine she received a score of 6 or 6.1 if I’m correct, while the individual floor routine was scored 5.9. And she had the exact same routine for all three events.
@djuarakurniawan4738
@djuarakurniawan4738 2 месяца назад
@@MaryBethMcCoy Even without that, the judge also made mistake with her difficulty score. Her team protested the difficulty score but was rejected. They rejected her appeal but accepted Jordan. That was why Jordan got the bronze.
@MaryBethMcCoy
@MaryBethMcCoy 2 месяца назад
@@EngagementRing-y1u That is all true. I just think they need to correct the scoring mistakes and then it can be determined which girls medal.
@madalinahroify
@madalinahroify 2 месяца назад
Sabrina Voinea should have the bronze medal. In any situation Chiles wouldn t be with bronze.
@voulathomacos-lagonas8445
@voulathomacos-lagonas8445 2 месяца назад
Part of taking part in a competition is abiding by the judges decisions...
@svintrepid166
@svintrepid166 2 месяца назад
None of these 3 girls did anything wrong. The judges were total amateurs. The IOC was a joke.
@anitabreakone
@anitabreakone 2 месяца назад
Triple is better than one of them who doesn’t deserve it getting it. Either triple or give it to the winner, Sabrina. 😡😡😡😡
@vero2078
@vero2078 2 месяца назад
Well it is also what Romanian team said, triple bronze. and yes I think the judges are now just lost on their decisions
@viorela77
@viorela77 2 месяца назад
Congratulations, Patrick McEnroe!
@ptinatlanta6815
@ptinatlanta6815 2 месяца назад
This take is incorrect. Jordon chiles coach challenged the score in a timely manner. The other coach did not. One winner and why did you interview a guy who knows nothing about the sport.
@kauaiboy5o
@kauaiboy5o 2 месяца назад
Gold for the "Winner", Silver for the "Almost Winner", and the Bronze for everybody else like the "finisher medal." Then everybody will be happy.😆
@sonyadewi7019
@sonyadewi7019 2 месяца назад
This is laughable, three bronze, Why not five bronzes so all the finalist got metal😮😮😮😮
@thomasszymanski1107
@thomasszymanski1107 2 месяца назад
Patrick McEnroe is NOT a tennis legend. His brother was. Patrick McEnroe is a joke.
@ChrisP-zj5jq
@ChrisP-zj5jq 2 месяца назад
Yeah, I was confused when I heard the name PATRICK McEnroe. Of course, the world and I know JOHN McEnroe. Never knew John had a bro named Patrick, LOL!!!
@dcdddddd1
@dcdddddd1 2 месяца назад
I agree with Patrick. A three way bronze for all three of those gymnasts would be the fair way to handle it.
@fisforfriday
@fisforfriday 2 месяца назад
The US challenged and were not late. The Romanians failed in not challenging their final score??!!! I’m so confused!!! It should still be with Jordan
@Louloloulolou
@Louloloulolou 2 месяца назад
So until they release the video evidence it's a he said, she said type of thing. Apparently, Cecile Landi (Chiles's coach) requested the inquiry 47s after the score was posted but it was submitted officially at 1min4s (apparently). Barbosu did not submit an inquiry but Voinea did. She inquired her D-score but it wasn't the correct inquiry. It isn't very known but you can inquiry out of bounce deductions. What McEnroe's point is though is that the judges messed up badly and the athletes are getting punished. Had the judges properly judged the rountines Voinea would medal. Had they applied the rules and rejected Chiles's inquiry because it was late, it was Barbosu's. But since they deducted an OOB and accepted a late inquiry, Chiles ended up with the medal. In my honest opinion (as an american too), it should be Voinea's. But I agree that the damage is done and the only way to make this right is to give all three gymnasts the bronze.
@Bia-lm8it
@Bia-lm8it 2 месяца назад
They did challenge but it was rejected
@ohroonoko
@ohroonoko 2 месяца назад
I understand the challenge rule, don't like it but understand it. That being said, justice requires truth and truth demands justice, and the truth is Sabrina's floor exercise was the 3rd best floor exercise amd that is what should merit the brinze medal.
@whatever1009
@whatever1009 2 месяца назад
​@@LouloloulolouThis world would be a better place to live, if everyone could see the things so clearly
@Elena-fe3os
@Elena-fe3os 2 месяца назад
Sabrina made appeal and was rejected, being said she stepped out, when she did not. That appeal shouldn't have been rejected , till checked cameras. The awards ceremony should have been postponed, till clarification.
@alexandradulce4462
@alexandradulce4462 2 месяца назад
Guys that bronze was for Ana from the beginning I don’t understand why everyone makes it so complicated she doesn’t deserve that medal she was no5 the final decision was done after the Jo finished and story done the medal is where should be nobody is gonna take the medal from Ana and if someone else deserves it it’s Sabrina
@BigRingStumpy
@BigRingStumpy 2 месяца назад
If the IOC doesn't do the right thing, US should refuse the invitation to host 2028. Let the IOC find another chump.
@whatever1009
@whatever1009 2 месяца назад
@@BigRingStumpy I would agree so much to this. I don't want to see again how gymnasts from other countries get deductions because the jury chooses to close the eyes for some gymnast and upper their score, while they underscore others.
@ChrisP-zj5jq
@ChrisP-zj5jq 2 месяца назад
@@whatever1009 They are "lightweight suspects" compared to those figure skating judges... there are too many "shady" incidences in the past to list here!!!
@alecuaniela5014
@alecuaniela5014 2 месяца назад
Bring other judges where they participated at past Olympics let them watch the videos and hopefully they will do a better job.
@pummell14
@pummell14 2 месяца назад
The Romanian deserves the Bronze medal. There is no participation medal trophies.
@simonbreetzke438
@simonbreetzke438 2 месяца назад
a easy way to resolve it. Before all the challengers, what were the scores? Just settle on that But its been an absolute mess by the IOC
@LadyVenVen
@LadyVenVen 2 месяца назад
That's what they did… are you guys even paying attention or just commenting? 4 out of every 5 comments I see are incorrect. It's baffling. I don't understand. Like its an honest mistake, but fuck people are becoming so frustrating. If you don't know don't comment. I feel like it simple.
@SuperJay12jay
@SuperJay12jay 2 месяца назад
If so, then give the GOLD to china in the FEMALE boxing match where she had to fight a MAN!!!!
@Lifedisabledd
@Lifedisabledd 2 месяца назад
America should have let it go from the beginning. Seems everyone including Simone, were not given all the points for their performance. USA team just wanted Jordan on the Podium by any means necessary.
@Caocao8888
@Caocao8888 2 месяца назад
Why do TV announcers feel like they need to talk like a 14-year-old? Is it supposed to sound perky?
@ChrisP-zj5jq
@ChrisP-zj5jq 2 месяца назад
She's always spoken like that and is not going to change, lol!!!
@cosmosunited
@cosmosunited 2 месяца назад
too late man, the Romanian team has suggested this already, we "the racists" and they didn't award them.
@cosmosunited
@cosmosunited 2 месяца назад
that Gogean element shouldn't have gotten that +.100 in the first place...besides the +4seconds late...so...
@cosmosunited
@cosmosunited 2 месяца назад
everyone has 1minute to challenge!!
@Laura-ch7fl
@Laura-ch7fl 2 месяца назад
Why is the FIG so stubborn and won’t give them each a bronze?
@dodoto13
@dodoto13 2 месяца назад
It would be a recognition of their failure to provide fair judging. They destroyed the whole Floor Final. Unbelievable!
@jameswoods6900
@jameswoods6900 2 месяца назад
Patrick McEnroe would never want to share a metal he won and he's FOS! Jordan should never send the metal back! His opinion means nothing!
@Elena-fe3os
@Elena-fe3os 2 месяца назад
The score dictates who gets a medal, or what rank has...not you, not McEnroe, not me , not anyone..but judges and the score they get. And that is not same and in gymnastics it is extremely rare for the gymnasts to get same score as they have different difficulty degrees, different executions and different points
@smoothwill
@smoothwill 2 месяца назад
These comments about what about the other gymnists. This is what ticks me off about America rooting and explaining for another country . Do you think Romania citizens give a damn about Jordan Chiles and her feelings hell no . But here you have Americans feeling for the Romanian . It’s dispicable . I’m riding as I should as America should for our gymnists . Once again is it any secret why America is so heavenly divided and in the most aweful and worse way .
@jordaningram441
@jordaningram441 2 месяца назад
The Olympics is trash. No integrity at all
@Swordmaster757
@Swordmaster757 2 месяца назад
It should go to Jordan Chiles. The other gymnasts coach did not challenge this.... Which the challenge is the whole reason Jordan has to give her medal up. Jordan's coach did challenge in time and won that challenge for the move that was unfairly judged. If that's the rule we're going by, then Jordan Chiles deserves that medal. The triple bronze is an alternative, but if we're going by the rules they set, then Jordan Chiles earned that medal.
@LadyVenVen
@LadyVenVen 2 месяца назад
Did you even watch it? I've seen this stupid comment so many times, and the only reason I think anyone would make it is that you didn't actually watch it and are forming your opinion based on someone else. Do your research.
@anagheorghe3112
@anagheorghe3112 2 месяца назад
I'm sorry but she didn't...with all due respect for her work, Jordan should have finished 4th. Did you watch the final? If the judges had done their job correctly then Sabrina Voinea, the 2nd Romanian in the final, would have been awarded the bronze medal. She was penalised for stepping out but videos show she didn't, so she was wrongfully depointed. If she had had all her deserving points, she would have scored 13.800, which is higher than Jordan, even after her appeal. And here is where you are so wrong: Sabrina's coach DID challenge her score but the judges didn't give it any consideration and rejected it. So, please, if you have no knowledge on the matter, stop commenting, or do you research before...the 3 medals are not an alternative but the only right thing to be done in this mess!
@Swordmaster757
@Swordmaster757 2 месяца назад
@@LadyVenVen Do my research and you've seen my stupid comment several times and don't think I actually watched it. So first off, you can at least be respectful if you disagree with me. Secondly, I am not one of the judges who scored them. Maybe tell them that. Third, from the video I saw...(and Sabrina's and Ana's video are really hard to find), it does look like Sabrina stepped out of bounds during a spin/movement of her foot from certain angles. It was mentioned by some that her team did challenge it and the judges upheld their decision. It's also stated that when Jordan Chiles review was done, they made a correction. I'll even note that the video I saw was just a performance, not whether there was a challenge or not afterwards. Keep in mind that none of us are the judges on this and throughout the history of the Olympics, there have been a number of questionable scores, ratings, calls, etc. Maybe Sabrina did step out of bounds. Maybe she didn't. That's up to the judges to review during the time they have to do so. What is known is that based on the rules that were set and in place for the gymnastics team after review of their performances by the judges, Jordan Chiles is the legitimate bronze medalist after all is said and done. You don't have to agree with me, but I am basing it off of the rating system that they made at the Olympics and their standards of judging. If we're going by that for all of the athletes, Jordan Chiles is the bronze medalist, and that's with no disrespect towards any of the amazing athletes that performed. And again, be respectful.
@LadyVenVen
@LadyVenVen 2 месяца назад
@@Swordmaster757 I’m not going to read all that because just from the second paragraph I can tell you don’t know why I called your comment stupid. You said Sabrina didn’t challenge it and she did. If you watched the competition you would have seen that. They immediately denied it. It was so fast I doubt they even looked at it. That is why the comment is stupid. Literally 4/5 in this comment section are saying the same thing and I can only assume it’s because you guys are just going by what people are saying. She very clearly submitted an inquiry. Also, you’re saying you saw the video. That proves my point. You didn’t actually watch the final. A video is not going to tell you what happened between performances. You can’t just make comments because you read it somewhere or heard it from someone. It’s disgusting and stupid how people keep repeating things they don’t know are true or false. Going by the rules the Romanians won. Period. I don’t know what rules you’re trying to make up.
@Swordmaster757
@Swordmaster757 2 месяца назад
@@LadyVenVen If you're not going to read all of what I wrote, then there was no point commenting and if that's the case, then this conversation is over. Believe what you will and so will I. It won't matter what either of us think at the end of the day because the decision is out of our hands and in the hands of the judges and based on what they saw and what evidence they have as they were closer than either of us. Good luck to you in life. Go thy ways.
@stefania9753
@stefania9753 2 месяца назад
De ce e controversă…i-a fost luat bronzul Anei pe nedrept!Asa s-a întâmplat și cu Andreea Răducan …pentru un paracetamol;e corect?
@endokuken1678
@endokuken1678 2 месяца назад
Tennis legend? Uhhh, that would be his brother lol
@vioricaraceanonicas8633
@vioricaraceanonicas8633 2 месяца назад
💪❤💛💙💪 ROMÂNIA 💪❤💛💙💪
@benwaist
@benwaist 2 месяца назад
I don’t agree with his assessment. The point of matter is the party that challenged the scoring did so within the established rules. The with medals is not the athletes don’t deserve the bronze. The fact is that a challenge to a poor judgment resulted to award for the challenge which had been submitted on time. So, to come back to claim that the medal be returned, even though a video evidence proves that time requirements were met, is the issue and the troubling concern. US must fight this for credibility.
@person12345_
@person12345_ 2 месяца назад
Ok then why vinesh phogat didn't got joint silver in wrestling that she deserved worst Olympics
@thefaylawrence
@thefaylawrence 2 месяца назад
Only the U.S. Challenged it! not Romania, despite the out-of-bounce mistake... they said nothing then and they had time to challenge it!
@anagheorghe3112
@anagheorghe3112 2 месяца назад
Did you watch that final? Sabrina Voinea's coach challenged her score but the judges rejected it and refused to watch her routine again to correct their mistake as she did not step out. Please, do you reasearch before commenting.
@tinasung3814
@tinasung3814 2 месяца назад
They need AI to judge, not human judges, none of this would happen!
@lindsaycarlson6403
@lindsaycarlson6403 2 месяца назад
Yes, never has artificial intelligence been incorrect (as it draws hands with 9 fingers).
@AbimaelParrilla
@AbimaelParrilla 2 месяца назад
I personally New nations needs a new analyst in my opinion he saying a bunch of stuff that is not confirmed or 100% true
@rougnedodor2505
@rougnedodor2505 24 дня назад
Thats the stupidest answer. Probably a Kamala supporter.
@popeekai.m6368
@popeekai.m6368 2 месяца назад
Jordan was the messiest out of the three. I dont get the hyped on why she deserve the medal. She should have never got credited for the skill in question because her splits where not at the proper form. This could have been all avoided if the judges did not made the correction
@nicoles9077
@nicoles9077 2 месяца назад
This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Gymnastics scores can only be changed due to D score errors. The Romanian gymnast who stepped out of bounds would have applied to her E score or execution score, which would not be changed
@CurlyBoyChuck
@CurlyBoyChuck 2 месяца назад
Except her DV score was supposed to be a 6.2 yet the judges scored her from a 5.9 which was incorrect and that’s what the Romanians were originally appealing but it was unfairly rejected when they appealed it the night of.
@tanyarobinson1146
@tanyarobinson1146 2 месяца назад
No the out of bounds was a penalty score deduction, and your correct it could not be reviewed.
@tegan.000
@tegan.000 2 месяца назад
Why is McEnroe, of all people, speaking on a sport that he clearly doesn't know the details about.
@micheleclark59
@micheleclark59 2 месяца назад
Actually he Does…he’s spot on
@ChrisP-zj5jq
@ChrisP-zj5jq 2 месяца назад
It would've made more sense to speak to Nadia, Olga, Bela Karolyi, Dominique Dawes, etc.
@wulfrache
@wulfrache 2 месяца назад
She never should have had the medal in the first place. They tried getting an all black podium and were caught rigging the competition, they gave the medal to the person who deserved it on MERIT. That is what is confusing people.
@DJcyberslash
@DJcyberslash 2 месяца назад
Your comment is what happens when we allow anyone to comment online without MERIT. Return your oxygen. You're wasting it.
@DJcyberslash
@DJcyberslash 2 месяца назад
Let me guess you never even watched the meet? 🤡...
@DJcyberslash
@DJcyberslash 2 месяца назад
Ana Barbosu's score was behind Jordan's. If anything this was a theft like you guys are known for.
@popeekai.m6368
@popeekai.m6368 2 месяца назад
Jordan was the messiest out of the three. I dont get the hyped on why she deserve the medal. She should have never got credited for the skill in question because her splits where not at the proper form. This could have been all avoided if the judges did not made the correction
@DJcyberslash
@DJcyberslash 2 месяца назад
@@popeekai.m6368 Jordan's inquiry was in time. Putting her into third. It's about difficulty and execution not just if you think it's "messy" which is Execution score not difficulty. Only D scores can be inquired. That's how it works. Jordan won.
@0xTRellyx0
@0xTRellyx0 2 месяца назад
Nooooo! It's not complicated. They need to follow their rules. If the judges make a mistake, there are rules. If you don't put in an inquiry or put it in too late then you don't get the score, and you don't get to complain. The only issue here is the lie of the 1 minute and 4 seconds. Rules can change at a later time. Under the current rules, Jordan won the medal. There is a lot of politics surrounding this controversy, in favor of the Romanians. She didn't step out of bounds. She didn't put in an inquiry. End of Story... you can't change the rules during the competition because you feel bad. If Jordan had put in her inquiry late. End of Story. But she didn't, so she deserves the medal. If the Romanians make 2028 game, they will be getting insane boos from the crowd.
@EngagementRing-y1u
@EngagementRing-y1u 2 месяца назад
They won't be getting insane boos because the people attending the Olympics have more brain cells than you do! Everyone agrees that these are three talented, hardworking gymnasts who should all be supported but have been wronged by incompetent judges.
@LadyVenVen
@LadyVenVen 2 месяца назад
Apparently, it is complicated for you because this comment section is all about Sabrina not submitting an inquiry. So, all of you, to me, are sharing one brain cell. People that comment without knowing firsthand what happened are the worst. You just spread misinformation. She did submit and inquiry and it was immediately rejected.
@0xTRellyx0
@0xTRellyx0 2 месяца назад
@@LadyVenVen Reading is fundamental. Please read the title of this video if you're still confused.
@0xTRellyx0
@0xTRellyx0 2 месяца назад
@@EngagementRing-y1u They're getting booed.
@LadyVenVen
@LadyVenVen 2 месяца назад
@@0xTRellyx0 And so is comprehending cause clearly you’re the only one that doesn’t understand here. You think the Romanians are being booed when they are the ones that deserved the medals 😂😂 ridiculous.
@Softdrama978
@Softdrama978 2 месяца назад
The difference between Sabrina and Jordan’s case is that Jordan’s coach appealed it timely (apparently there’s video evidence) whereas unfortunately Sabrina’s coach did not. So in all fairness Jordan still deserves the bronze and no one else does.
@EngagementRing-y1u
@EngagementRing-y1u 2 месяца назад
Sabrina’s coach did it timely as well but it was completely disregarded without explanation.
@LadyVenVen
@LadyVenVen 2 месяца назад
Stop commenting on this you don't know. The coach did appeal and it was immediately disregarded. Literally, everyone is commenting the same thing, like little bots. If you don't know something, don't comment. Stop believing everything you read. You clearly didn't watch the final or didn't pay attention.
@flipwilzon5287
@flipwilzon5287 2 месяца назад
John is not a gymnastics coach. Jordon is asked to share a medal because she’s Black! It’s not complicated. All three should not get the medal. The Romanian’s routines weren’t not adequate. Once again they tried to pull a fast one.
@anagheorghe3112
@anagheorghe3112 2 месяца назад
What??? This has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with incompetent judges that won't acknowledge their mistake. Did you watch that final? What exactly qualifies you to say which routine is adequate and which isn't? All 3 should get a medal. What's more, if the judges had done their job correctly then Jordan Chiles would have finished in 4th place. Do your research before commenting. This situation is more complicated than that.
@SO-if3yn
@SO-if3yn 2 месяца назад
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in Olympic medals. Jordan showed up with sass and little class, too loud for me. Loves Simone and Lee, but I’m happy to see Chiles tears. I need more tears.
@LadyVenVen
@LadyVenVen 2 месяца назад
Jordan has always been all sass and no class. She's always petty and insufferable. It's like she thinks that just because Simone is like her coach, she's just as good. People allow her to be petty just because she's black and female. It's what we call empowerment these days. I'm a female and black.
@ChrisP-zj5jq
@ChrisP-zj5jq 2 месяца назад
You forgot Suni Lee! Why isn't anyone talking about her class, determination, and sportsmanship in the face of ongoing KIDNEY problems??? She's my hero!!!
@SO-if3yn
@SO-if3yn 2 месяца назад
@@ChrisP-zj5jq I mention her friend:) Dude my GF and I watched every event she competed in with some college comps too. She’s our favorite, but Simone is so explosive. Be well.
@LadyVenVen
@LadyVenVen 2 месяца назад
@@ChrisP-zj5jq Suni is amazing. So happy she could make it to these Olympics.
@TikTokTube-oi8ko
@TikTokTube-oi8ko 2 месяца назад
Congrats to all gymnasts because the scores are wrong. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
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