I like the completely relaxed way Paul says 'I slept with John' knowing that nobody will take him the wrong way or even care if somebody did. The world is getting better, as the Stylistics once sang . . .
epstein was john's best man when he married cynthia powell, and he helped them financially with things early on, even lent them his flat free of charge in london. john would say they were close but not in that way.
@@tigergreg8 But I'm fixating on poor spelling right now and although you'll take no responsibility for yours doesn't mean I'm not already doing a multitude of other things as well. As far as your suggestion, I'd stand corrected if you knew anything about that as well. ✌️
No disrespect intended with the soundtrack. We used George Martin and his Orchestra’s version, originally released in 1965 on their LP Help (featuring sleeve notes by Brian).
@@OobuJoobu It's a common precept for not wearing your heart or preferences on your sleeve. Even Joni Mitchell sang " and if you care don't let them know, don't give yourself away " (Clouds/Both Sides Now). Doris Days "Perhaps, Perhaps, Perhaps" is another cheeky version on the same theme. 😜🤣😇😂🤫
@jonathanbirch2022 😂 even if you were correct. The "theory" goes that "Faul" came into the picture in 66. While Brian left in 67. The fact that you don't even know the "theory" correctly is hilarious. 🤣
Ahead of their time? No one has ever cared, only now the political agenda says and implores people to give a crap. Please communicate with older people, they will tell you.
And yet it was illegal in the UK until 1967, and public displays of homosexuality, things like kissing your partner, we're illegal until much later. homosexuals were also regularly assaulted and even killed simply for being gay. So don't give me any of that "nobody cared" apologist nonsense. You're rewriting history to suit your own bigotry. And I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the older generations who claim they "didn't care" are lying through their teeth.
@@dadduorp I've read some and have seen him various times myself when he can be a little rude, moody or act superior with little provocation. Yet, people are human and I was never as impressed with him.
@@adonaiyah2196 no. After Lennon passed he was very apologetic. And after Linda and George passed he was very much just trying to not be honest if it meant that he would come off rude. I think it wasn't until the late 00's that he actually started to sound similar to the anthology series, but not quite as good.
Oh you mean gay folks can control their impulses, separate business from personal life and do a great job? Where would the Beatles, and therefore so many of us who loved them, be if Brian had not been there for them professionally?
Also it might be that gay people are not attracted to EVERYONE from the same sex all the time. Or he respected that they were clearly straight. I was once at a party as the only straight guy in a room of 20 plus gay guys. I was kinda happy no one made a pass at me, but annoyed none of them thought enough of me to make a pass lol
Totally makes sense. Brian was professional enough to know not to ever overstep his boundaries with “ the boys”. It was a relationship I think based on mutual respect. If and Brian and John ever had any kind of amorous relationship who knows or cares Personally, I think they just great friends andJohn probably would shield that aspect of his life like he did. Forever.
This clip was taken from a BBC documentary the Brian Epstein Story which originally aired in 1998 it covered his entire life and was in two parts it has been shown several times on BBC 4 and it is well worth looking out for in fact almost certain you can find it on here
Depends? It definitely came up in the Beatles era because of Little Richard and Johnny Mathis. It may have been a way to denigrate certain artists and lessen their impact, particularly if they weren’t white because they’d find it even harder to fight said rumors when even the press would be biased.
@@DDELFIERROYour point and knowledge of history is important. Life before the first epidemic, people don't understand and take a lot for granted now. We now have extremists trying to turn back time and all civil rights accomplishments.
What Paul is really saying is that he doesn't know whether there was any sexual stuff going on between John and Brian, he just knew there wasn't any sexual stuff going on between the boys themselves. He said that because many people may think there was, especially between John and Paul, but the reality was that they were just queer, meaning they didn't really give a rats ass about that stuff. Also, men can be tight friends, just let it be ok?!
As Paul said in the clip, in Liverpool (and the rest of the UK) the word was 'queer' in reference to the 'homosexual'. They weren't gay so they definitely would not be 'queer'. I don't really know what the word 'queer' means nowadays (perhaps something along the lines of, 'not straight').
Strangely being the cute Beatle, Brian didn’t so much as flirt with Paul once. Not his type probably, but Paul’s impenetrable heterosexuality was off limits to any gay fling.
Why does he have to be hitting on everyone all the time? If you’re gay you can tell when someone isn’t interested or is straight and don’t bother because what’s the point
But, frankly, how do you know Paul's impenetrable heterosexuality? We can't say that about anybody. According to that woman, called Frances, ( I forgot her surname) she found a love letter from Brian to Paul in his car. It doesn't mean it is true. But maybe...And people have to know that most men, will never telll about it, even if it happened. It is also amazing he thinks nothing happened with John and Brian, when John himself said it indeed happened when they were in Barcelona. He told to Pete Shotton and it is in Pet's book. It was nothing serious, not an affair, but they had their sexual moment while there. I do think Paul knows about this book. So, it is possible Paul is not saying the truth in this interview. And I can understand him. Homophobia still abounds.
@@morpher44 If there was a fifth, it was Martin. There are great managers, but without great art, they have nothing to manage. Martin helped the boys make great art, so he would unquestionably be the fifth member, if there was one.
@@thegrandpencil4374Yeah, George Martin was definitely the fifth. Orchestrating the band's ideas and coming up with his own. He was integral to their success.
@@melm4499 I thought it was their producer, not their manager who wanted rid of Pete Best... Ringo was seen both as the better drummer to suit the other Beatles' style of playing, plus drawing the girl fans toward Paul out there at the front instead of toward the drummer at the back... Maybe I heard that wrong. I never heard of Brian "trying it on" with any of the lads.
@@brigidsingleton1596 By all accounts, Ringo wasn't really a better drummer than Pete Best, but he had more the image that matched that of the other 3. That Pete turned away Epstein's advances may have helped that along a little too, but the fans loved Pete, so it wasn't about the drumming that got him replaced.
@@jimo3173 Also, Ringo worked with 'Rory Storm and the Hurricanes', if I recall correctly, and they had a gig at a Butlins somewhere, to honour before Ringo could join The Beatles. I'm glad Ringo joined them - he was my (now late) 🇮🇪 Mum's favourite Beatle. I never cared much for Pete Best, but then, I was only ten years old when they released "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" .,.so what did I know about that sort of attraction...!! I just loved their songs (and cheeky looks) ...and guitarists have always been my preferred musicians... I even bought myself a strat 🎸 in the early 2000's, but (due to the circumstances I found myself in at that time) I got 'tendonitis' in my right shoulder, arm and hand, and stopped lessons and that was that...😟 I wasn't 'determined enough' to continue, so would probably never been any good - or even mediocre - as a guitarist, sad to say!! 😟❤️🏴😏🎵🎶🎵🖖
@@brigidsingleton1596 Yeah but if say Pete never did get replaced and he was the drummer the whole time, people would probably have loved him just as much as they did Ringo because that's who they would have seen, heard, and got used to. If Ringo was first and they replaced him with Pete everyone would be saying Pete was better and Ringo wasn't any good. It's all subjective and part of human nature. Simply put, Ringo was an image they wanted that they didn't feel Pete had.
While Epstein was in the British Army, he commissioned a tailor to make him an officer's uniform. He wore the uniform when cruising the bars of London, but was arrested one night at the Army and Navy Club in Piccadilly by the military police for impersonating an officer. Epstein managed to avoid a court martial by agreeing to see an army psychiatrist, who learned of Epstein's sexuality. After ten months he was discharged from the army on medical grounds for being "emotionally and mentally unfit". Epstein later stated that his first homosexual experience was when he returned to Liverpool after being discharged. Epstein spent a year studying acting at RADA, but dropped out shortly after his arrest for "persistent importuning" outside a men's public toilet in Swiss Cottage, London. Cottaging, as it was called, was one of the few public ways that gay and bisexual men could meet at the time, especially if they were closeted. When Epstein first saw the Beatles perform he noticed their stage attire first, saying, "They were rather scruffily dressed, in the nicest possible way, or I should say in the most attractive way-black leather jackets, jeans, long hair of course." McCartney said that when Epstein started to manage the Beatles they knew that he was homosexual but did not care, because he encouraged them professionally and offered them access to previously "off-limits" social circles. Although the group, Lennon in particular, often made sarcastic comments about Epstein's homosexuality to friends and to Epstein personally, no one outside the group's inner circle was allowed to comment. Ian Sharp, one of Lennon's art-school friends, once made a sarcastic remark about Epstein, saying, "Which one of you (Beatles) does he fancy?" Sharp was sent a letter by Epstein's office within 48 hours that demanded a complete apology. Sharp apologised, but was then completely ostracised. McCartney sent him a letter directing him to have no contact with any of them in the future. Epstein went on holiday to places such as Amsterdam, Torremolinos and Barcelona or Manchester at weekends, as the attitude towards homosexuals there was more tolerant than in Liverpool, even though Liverpool did have several gay bars. In his autobiography, Pete Best stated that Epstein drove them both to Blackpool one evening where Epstein expressed his "very fond admiration." Epstein then supposedly said, "Would you find it embarrassing if I ask you to stay in a hotel overnight?" Best replied that he was not interested, and the two never mentioned the incident again. There were reports of a brief sexual encounter between Lennon and Epstein during a four-day holiday in Barcelona in April 1963. Lennon admitted in a 1971 Rolling Stone interview that he knew Epstein was a “fag” (British slang for gay) and that he (Lennon) enjoyed “playing a bit faggy and all that”. Addressing the rumours again later, Lennon told Playboy in 1980: "Well, it was almost a love affair, but not quite. It was never consummated ... but we did have a pretty intense relationship." A fictionalised account of the Spanish holiday is featured in the 1991 film The Hours and Times.
@@vampyros1 Most great Artists are able to think outside the box and go places most would fear to tread. They try to appreciate the many tints, tones and shades and understand color, light on things as well as forms taken. Paul showed good form, sensitivity, and respect to the parties considered despite the topic posed to him. A true professional is flexible and gracious. They also don't want to allow themselves to become a hack or "cartoon in a cartoon graveyard" as Paul Simon so aptly put it.
@@petemavus2948 A possible scenario, but an artist’s open-mindedness could also manifest as iconoclastic candor regarding the conventions of acceptable etiquette, thus putting the kibosh on “form, sensitivity, and respect”. That’s “outside the box” also and, fwiw, typified the ‘ethos’ upon which 70s punk, amongst other genres, was steeped. All of which begs the question: At what point does a throng of mainstream-resistant ‘renegades’ in lockstep with one another paradoxically become the lemmings against whom they so vigorously rail? Generally speaking, post-S&G Paul has held little interest for me, but maybe I missed something…
@@vampyros1 Maybe it's all too much and should be left for minds much greater than mine. That's when I just chalk it up to "The World's Green Laughter". Meanwhile... Stay well and have a good 🌉 night ! ✌️
But he did want john. He like rough men and John was rough in those days. I think Brian even told John's Aunt Mimi "The others don't matter but I'll always take care of John."
I'm gay and grew up loving the Beatles. I have all the original albums..and must have had a gay crush on them before I CAME OUT AT 20 YEARS OF AGE..BOB IN CINCINNATI. PS SAW THEM AT CROSLEY FIELDS WHEN I WAS 11
Alma Cogan was a close friend of Brian’s before tragically passing from cervical cancer at the age of 34 in October 1966. Not sure how much truth there is to this rumor though…
In 1987, Paul wrote of Cogan: “When the Beatles first came to London, Alma was lovely to us... welcoming us with open arms. All my memories of that time are very special to me. Her high spirits made being with her great fun. I will always remember Alma and her sweet music with great fondness.”
I think Alma Cogan and John were very close. Cynthia mentions this in her autobiography and says John thought she didn't know about their affair, but she did. He was extremely upset when Alma died.
@@OobuJoobu Alma Cogan would have been a good match as a wife being about the same age as Brian and Jewish like him. Remember it was illegal to be a homosexual in the UK until 1967.
Pete Shotton said, in his book, John told him about sex with Brian while on holiday. I have to give some credibility to this and maybe John was too embarrassed to admit to Paul. Certainly John had a violent reaction when he beat up Bob Wooler at Paul's b-day party, for teasing him about John's "holiday" with Brian.
I doubt John Lennon was gay , as Paul puts it but I definitely think he could've been "curious' or "bisexual" or basically a free sexual spirit , when he was younger.
Paul was clearly heterosexual but John went through a questioning phase and got Yoko! His choice and he was happy for a time. He wrote some good songs.
In the '70's I was engaged to a man who (as with all of his mates) called gays "shirtlifters" or "poufs" or "bent" ...and it always made me feel I would be unkind if I agreed ...but years later after getting married to a (different) man, but with a (slightly) similar attitude, I remember thinking and saying, on one occasion, 'I didn't think I'd ever met any gay people...' and someone hinted that I was mistaken, I just replied 'okay then, as far as I'm aware, I've never met anyone who was gay.'As it turned out... ...when my twins turned 21years old, I _accidently_ 'outed' my son, which upset me, as I would never have done so deliberately, plus I felt guilty for not ever realising he was gay until he said so - after my feeble joke - 'I didn't know you liked pink so much...?!' (his twin sister had given him a gift in a pink box, saying Disney only sold that particular item in pink boxes), a different item, my son didn't want in his collection, Disney only sold in blue boxes... Then, his twin sister said _she_ 's gay as well ...but my eldest, as I looked at her, surprised, said quickly, "No, I'm straight'!!" ... I used to say of my three, when they were very young, if asked, 'I have three, one of each: a girl, a boy and a tomboy' (as my eldest daughter wasn't into dolls but like clmbing trees etc) ... As it turned out, I still have three, one of each: a straight daughter, a gay daughter (lesbian), and a gay son... And, fortunately, they're all happy, kind, intelligent and reasonable people, so that pleases me. If they were unhappy, unkind, dim or unreasonable, I'd feel I must've let them down as their Mum. As things stand, they're good people and I _hope_ that that has (at least) _something_ to do with how I raised them to be. 🏴❤️🇨🇦*❤️🏴💙🖖 (*My eldest - straight - daughter now lives in Canada 🇨🇦* with her rescued dog.🦮💙)
@@brigidsingleton1596Just from your comment, you sound like an amazing mother. I'm sure them turning out to be good people has a lot to do with your kindness and parenting. Glad to hear you and your family are happy and doing well!
@@grawman67 Thank-you so much, that's very kind of you to say so. Indeed, I hope the way I _tried_ to raise them all (despite various difficulties endured through both of my two failed marriages - 'philandering' / 'wandering' ex's)) has helped in _some way_ to bring them to a happier adulthood, at the very least better than my own. 🤔🏴❤️🇬🇧🖖
Pauls analogy about Brians "homosexuality" traditionally true. The working class version for Gay was "Queer" & once upon a time that was nothing to be proud of but sensitive to.
Yea. John gave him the beating of his life. I heard some of the interview of John talking about it but it cuts off during the documentary I was watching it on as the narrator continued.
And John did have sex with Brian. He told Pete Shotton, who has since talked about it publicly. He was just really insecure and concerned about his image. You had to be, especially as a tough Scouse kid back then.
Paul always talks masterfully. Check ANY interview. Every word is absolutely perfect - incisive, witty, spontaneous, eloquent, unpretentious, brilliant.
Masterfully. I get what you’re saying. Have you read The Memoirs of Billy Shears?? Broke my heart, but open my eyes. Not just the Beatles, but the whole friggin world and our history. Too bad neither family nor friends are awake enough to ever talk to you about this stuff.
To view Brian's homosexuality in the early '60s as a non issue was light years ahead of society at large. Homosexuality was illegal in Britain until 1967 and largely shunned by nearly everyone. The Beatles would not have made it like they did without Brian.
@@bernadettepotenti301 It makes me happy to know BE contributed to their success 🎉But it's tinged with sadness because he hide to hide who he truly was , there's another gay connection with the Beatles and that's via the singer/songwriter/Billy Preston 🥺
I had heard years ago that John just did it for the experience of it and and didn't like it so he didn't do it again so Brian ended his own existence. That was the hub bub many years ago. Never cared much for the Beatles so didn't pay that much attention.
Thing is,it did not really matter then or now. Character of the person is what matters most. Does it really matter who DaVinci was with when creating what ever discipline he felt like mastering. The world is a naturally random place. Didn't even make original top 10 list.
I reckon John Lennon went with Brian Epstein on holiday hoping all their friends would think they had a relationship. One of John's practical witty ways to create suspicion amongst his friends. 😅
There was never any even remote vague indication that any of the Beatles were gay. As a totally NOT naive New Yorker, i would have noticed this. And people still don't seem to understand, that gay is your sex preference. It has nothing to do with business. THAT, whether gay or straight is ALWAYS about power. And the Beatles, as most musicians aren't, were not some desperate, insecure virgins, ripe for intimidation. I really hate all these vague rumors by people trying to make a buck, when someone is too dead to sue you.
NIGEL in Canada🇨🇦 'ime the leader, deal with me' , LENNON said John lost that drugs, Paul and George improved so much ? but John didn't look like a 'leader' in the end of the group I say drugs and not getting much better on his guitar 🎸
I like the song, and he does a good job with it. He still sings it at his concerts, and he doesn't have to, so I seriously doubt he is bothered by it in any way, regardless of the meaning. And the Beatles have always said that they made group decisions and never forced each other to do anything.
Billy Preston was gay, too. Whether or not they were aware of it who knows. They clearly wouldn't have cared anyway. Now if Brian was still around when Billy came on the scene... Wonder how that would have turned out? Would they have hit it off, had a feud or whatever?
From my own memoies. of the Beatles Brian Eksteen took an over dose cause he could not handle Helen Shapiro him as promotor. That does not strike me as gay activity . Is that true ? Gues i will never know for..does it matter? No
While John was alive, Paul would probably lie (at least about his level of knowledge of the true facts) to "protect" John's reputation. Such a rumor in the 70s it would not have helped John's career. His audience was different than David Bowie's audience.
...John famously described what happened during his vacation with Brian, while his wife and new born son Julian lay in a public hospital room in England. Lennon said that he asked Brian : " I suppose you want to have it up me arse ? " , and Epstein replied, " No John....I just want to touch it". Lennon then said, " So I let him toss me off...what's a toss off between friends ??!! " Who knows if this is true,or, Lennon was just " putting on" the reporter. One thing IS true, however. When friend Bob Wooler joked with Lennon at Paul's 21st birthday party about a possible gay experience with Epstein, John smashed him over the head with a chair in a violent rage that could have killed Wooler. Reporters in attendance were quietly paid off by Epstein and the incident was hushed up. Whatever really happened, Lennon was sure sensitive about any suggestion of gay activity with Epstein at the time. Tony Sheridan...who the Beatles backed on a few single records...said before he died that Lennon would sometimes go missing in Hamburg when they were due onstage and that he sometimes found him in a gay nightclub where many there were transvestites. Sheridan also commented on Paul's appearance at the time, saying he thought Paul's eyebrows were plucked to perfection in a very feminine way, where he thought he might be gay. In addition, there is a striking photo of Beatle Stuart Sutcliffe with Astrid Kircherr and Klaus Voorman in Hamburg where their clothing appears to be very gay. In the end...without the gay Brian Epstein, there certainly would never have been the Beatles !
To all you PID believes, if you watch the"James Paul McCartney "TV special 1973 (here on RU-vid for everyone to see) at the 20 minutes mark there's a McCartney family get together in a Liverpool pub, they are all getting pissed (drunk) calling him Paul, singing along with him and showering him with kisses! Now how is it that his Dad, aunties, uncles and cousins, can not see that he's not their Paul, the one they have grown up with, the one they have always known, but he's in fact an imposter named Billy?
@@cd3949 what iam bringing is the truth! Of course McCartney never died or was replaced in 1966 and the pub seen in the "James Paul McCartney" TV special 1973, 100% proves it!
@@beatlebrian4404 Why get all worked up over this particular internet conspiracy theory/delusion? There are much more harmful internet delusions to be upset about in the political arena. Why does the internet bring out the bat sh-t crazy in otherwise sane people? Or does the internet just expose the types of people who have always been around in the same numbers even before the internet?
But the businessman in him knew he wasn't a Beatle. George Martin and EMI knew he wasn't a Beatle and more to the point, John, Paul and George knew he wasn't a Beatle.
Interesting, never heard this before. I always thought it was about a certain part of the female anatomy. Linda is happily chiming in there for sure.... But only Paul really knows!
