When I was first saved, The Lord guided me to a Pentecostal church. It was a good Christ Centred, Biblical Christian Church with wonderful godly pastor and a body filled with the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. The pastor retired and a new young man arrived to take over. He led the church down a different path and that church went Seeker Sensitive and Your Best Life Now nonsense. The Holy Spirit then led me and scores of others out of that church as Paul Washer said. Yes, the Lord will guide His people out of danger when things go wrong.
It’s the Pentecostal doctrine or the foundation of Pentecostalism thats the issue. Not necessarily your personal experience at your church. There’s a video by Robert Breaker “Why I’m not a Pentecostal” that you can find in RU-vid and i come from a Pentecostal church, even i had to rethink the doctrine thats if its truly biblical.
Ive gone to a Pentecostal church many times its all about control , highly emotional, now i ask you how often does our feelings or emotions cause us to sin , there's pride, jealousy , anger, lust , hatred , denial, or just trying to suppress a temtation , behold i bring you glad tidings, whether your in adam or are in christ , accept and believe in the completed work of christ and exchange your life with his , this is a such a miracle and that jesus live his life in you , overcomeing sin , only jesus has done that in all the ages before and after , praise and thank the lord , for victory is a person , we know who that is our lord jesus
I am a Pentecostal and the Church I attend is grounded on this chapter for Salvation which I firmly support, Acts2:38 Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. I see that Holy Spirit transform my life and others for the better.
I hope you don't go to that kind of Pentecostal church that says You must be baptized in Jesus name only or you are not saved. If your church teaches that then you are in a legalistic church that you may want to reconsider going to. You can be saved being baptized in the name of the father Son and Holy Spirit. Because it's by grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ as to how we are saved not anyting exterior.
@@joshuahuihui5913 the Bible is clear you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ... I know that you are saved by believing, and repenting and baptism either way, but when you go in the name of Jesus, there is something that happens... I believe that even if you are baptized in the name of father, son and the Spirit you will make heaven, because you have already been born of the water
@@joshuahuihui5913 The original early church ONLY baptized in the name of Jesus. Any other form of baptism is heretical. Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38, Acts 4:12, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:1-5, Col. 3:17. Matthew 28:19 even says to baptize in the name...not titles. If I were to write a check and sign it; husband, son, and friend, you could not cash it. You need the name on the signature line. Too many people are trying to cash in on salvation using titles. It won't work. Iti is not legalistic...it is Biblical. Even the Roman Catholic church admits the original early church ONLY baptized in the name of Jesus. That is found in the Encyclopedia Britannica 11th edition which is written and published by the Catholic church. You will never find anyone after Calvary being baptized any other way in the Bible.
@@josejuan6585 "baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" doesn't mean "baptizing them in the name of Jesus and only Jesus."
@@jamersbazuka8055 Baptism for salvation is legalism anyway. There are many people in the Bible who were saved not from Baptism and even some in Acts that were baptised and not saved. You can only be saved by God´s grace through faith in Christ. Baptism is an ordinance, not the reason or means you are saved.
the very fact that people are saying "I am this " and another says that STOP IT we. Who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, are ONE body, One Spirit. Who teaches us all things. the hour is late, you have been bought with a price. it is time to lay aside foolish arguing and seek the Face of Him who redeemed us.
Being careful won't save anyone... so If you know you are a temple of the holy spirit the holy spirit will help you speak Gods wisdom into that person.. A very loved preacher gave a sermon of this and back it up from verses from the bible. God can save anyone he wants so If we are a temple of the holy spirit then why be cautious when you can keep it simple... Being a Christian isn't rocket science its simple, knowing that you have a omnipresent God on your side and that you will be blessed knowing God on earth and we get the greatest gift anyone could ask for... Heaven, If you want to give someone faith, then give them faith you dont need study the bible like you have an exam... keep it simple
Of cause FEDERICK POWELL, I'm very ashamed of this division in christianity because they reject Holly Spirit who he is the one who teaches us all things. The crucial thing is to recieve Holy Spirit thereafter there will be no argument in the body of christ.
So we are one body with the Jehovah's witnesses and Mormons who has a twisted view of Jesus? I am afraid I have to disagree with that claim however I do believe in the premise that only Jesus saves, and all those who believe in Christ is ONE in body and spirit. But you must know that believing in an unbiblical Jesus basically implies that you have put your faith in that version of Jesus and the catch here is that only the Biblical Jesus is the TRUE LORD AND SAVIOR. Any deviation from the aforementioned, will not save anyone.
the spirit you get is not holy, or else you would love scripture and sanctification and christ above all things, and all of you clearly dont, you are in the category of "im christian enough" who will hear the depart from me i never knew you, you better repent and take christ sacrifice seriously!
You have a very different picture of Jesus than the apostles, yours is very much less clear...as is mine, relative to theirs. Are you a heretic because of this fact? No. The Corinthian church, in general, had some strange views. Are they less Christian?
Paul Washer answers a clear question , and the question is so different from the headlines of this video . In America maybe Charismatic and Pentecostal are mixed , but in other parts of this world, Pentecostals are very decent looking ( all women wear long dresses or skirts and heads are covered) and decent acting believers, (no jumping , no dancing, no falling on the ground and you name it) contrary to Charismatic churches. I suggest you change the headlines .
Amen on everything this man stated in this video, I agree 100%, PRAISE GOD!!! The LORD is cleaning HIS churches, rooting out all "heretics" posing as HIS people as stated in 1Peter 4:17.....
It's not about religion it's not about Charasmatics Pentecostals or Baptists , it is about Jesus Christ and genuine love for God an His Christ. For when we see the sacrifice of Jesus we see our brothers in the light of who God truly made us to be. The enemy has tried to divide the body of Christ. But the Holy Spirit will draw true believers together not those seeking their own righteousness but those seeking after a true encounter with Jesus. The most important thing is the relationship we have with Jesus, we are to walk by the Spirit, so that we abide and continue to glorify God through the fruit we manifest through Jesus Christ our Lord and savior. For these pastors to marginalize Charasmatics and true born again believers as being in Jesus Culture and other mega churches is a terrible misunderstanding. God has a remnant and he or she is hidden, although they work and glorify Jesus. Many pastors who are in churches and pulpits have made mistakes but to say they are a flat out lie is wrong.
This man is a SELF APPOINTED and proclaimed critic of all that he does not 'affirm' I prophesy the day, not too far off that God will show Mr Washer He does not approve of this appointment by himself to this position. Don't respond, but make a note of what I said, and remember it when you see it happen.
Can the man answer the question? The question was about Pentecostals and Charismatics. He turned it into Evangelicals. He twisted it, it's called wicken or twisted. He did not answer the question about Pentecostals and Charismatics but twisted it to attack Evangelicals. Can anyone see this ?
Are you deaf? He said he can’t say they are not saved, that was the whole point of his answer. In other words, and I’m ashamed to have to explain this, he says there may well be people in those churches that really believe the gospel. It’s not up to him to answer that question with a yes or no. God knows current state with Him.
I love brother Paul and i have learned much from him about the basics of true Christianity, but I think he is very closed minded when it comes to this issue. He has been decieved by Pharisees like John MacArthur and Justin Peters.
The gifts of the Holy Spirit are these: wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord. (Isaiah 11:2-3) In the passage, the gifts are considered ones that the Messiah would have possessed. These are the gifts every Christians should aim for (that's what it means to be Christ-like). And the fruit of the Spirit is "love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness" Galatians 5:22 Not speaking in tongues, not casting out demons (from a personal experience with pentecostal/charismatics, it's more often than not about boosting their own egos than providing actual help to others).
Many don't understand the teachings of tongues. Many in pentecostal movements are told that the evidence is to speak in tongues. But that is not correct. That would be like saying the body is a whole eye. So i have no need for the ears. We are one body with many functions.the gift of tongues were the gift of languages not what goes on today..the jibersh talking is a bad spirit. It is not of God.the falling back or been slane in the spirit is a false teaching. Paul even said i rather speak five words in my understanding then ten thousand in an unknown tongue. He was talking about languages. Many would go to church in corinth but they were from many other countries. ThatS why he said if there be no interpreter let him be silent. When they came together they spoke in other languages. There was a gift of tongues but not what they have today.
Michael Nelson no man is correct 100 % all the time but can be 100% some of the time. case in point " Jesus is the ONLY way to ever be saved." My statement is 100% correct.
Carl Moore so, how are we sure you are 100% correct now when you are not right 100% of the time? FYI, I would take his "5%" over your assertion of your boldness of being 100% right some of the time.
Simply ask someone if they were to die tonight and stand before God and He asked "why should I let you in?" What would you say? If they start talking about anything but the finished work of Christ on the cross they don't get it.
Nope. You can't even look at a tree and understand its chemical and molecular composition, much less the inner workings of a man's heart. Don't allow yourself to be arrogant and prideful in that way.
Samuel Gonzalez God has a standard and when the Jews ask Peter about the way to Salvation, Peters said Acts2:38 Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. This action along with a heart of repentance, accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of your life, living a Holy life and rejecting the lust of this World, being obedient to the voice of the Holy Spirit of Christ. This is the measure and standard of being saved.
If you want to live without the fullness of the Holy Spirit then you won't go to hell, you'll go to heaven... you'll just get there quicker. 1Cor2:4-5“And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." Just because you don't have as much fruit in your life or ministry doesn't mean that you should knock someone else's.. they're fulfilling the great commission. Jesus SAID you WILL speak with new tongues, lay hands on the sick and they WILL recover, cast out demons etc and the word will be confirmed with signs following. Man of God, you should seek this out for yourself. Instead of backbiting. You're still a man of God glorifying Christ, but I assure you: there IS A BETTER WAY. Let the Holy Spirit live through you brother. God bless you& in Jesus' name guide you to the right direction. 👍🏽
terrence brooks that’s doctrines of men my friend. Isaiah 28 & 1 Corinthians 14 is very clear about stammering in an unknown tongue... meaning the tongue isn’t known by men and it can sound like it’s just stammering. And Paul said his understanding is unfruitful, and in 1Corinthians 13:1 he even referred to himself praying in the tongues of men and Angels. But if any man be ignorant let him be ignorant as he said in 1Cor 14. Disclaimer I don’t believe in the chaotic screaming, shaking, yelling and falling out being “drunk” as I believe that is carnal (flesh) and even demonically inspired possibly by the kundalini.
How do you paint with such a broad brush across all charismatic churches, stating they dont value scripture and endorse homosexuality and inclusivism. I respect Paul Washer but thats just a red herring and mischaracterizing so many believers. Many Pentecostal churches are God-fearing and affirm sound teaching. Disagreeing on the function of the Spirit is not equal to embracing clearly worldy ideas.
I just left a baptist church because the pastpr literally said "i dont have to obey God because I've accepted him as my saviour therefore obeying him is a work".......there's tons of false brothers and sisters spewing that kind of garbage in Baptist churches
No what you are saying is absolutely untrue I'm really sorry to correct you but you are 100 % wrong. The wrong heretical elements are also recognised as being unbiblical and false by the vast majority of evangelical and karismatic churches. Brother Paul you need to repent and stop criticising pentecostal, evangelical and karismatic churches and Christians. You have a form of faith but denying the power there of... You have God in a box. Remember Hebrews Jesus the same yesterday, today, forever God's power through his spirit has never stopped working, all through history God healed, performed miracles, people continued to proffet
@@markgalletly3726 Jesus commands us to tear these heretical practices down, sir. YOU need to repent and stop reading the Bible through your glasses of TRADITION (if you guys read your Bibles at all). I went to a Pentecostal charismatic church my whole life and had no idea how lost I was... the babbling shabadabadingdong is NOT what the apostolic church did, every time God heals it’s INSTANT and with the purpose of revealing who God is to unbelievers, not to make your back stop hurting. You guys great God like a vending machine and practice the most irreverent forms of worship. I’m done playing with y’all. I love you or I would ignore you and leave it be. Read Matthew 6 and tell me you guys pray like that. Read the OT and tell me you have faith like they did in the good AND bad times. Read Paul’s letters to the churches and tell me you aren’t guilty of letting some new tradition distort the gospel. Tell me you believe God is sovereign. You can’t. Read. Your. Bible. Without taking verses out of context and jumping around. You guys are Biblically illiterate because you don’t have the Holy Spirit and your idolatrous desires for “more of God” and personal magic powers have invited demonic influence into your congregations and into your hearts. Repent. Repent. Repent. And seek God.
I would agree but I was very surprised about the roots of the pentecostal church. Like many of the apostate movements that came along after 1906 like the Mormon church, Jehovah's witnesses, Christians Scientists, etc. many of these were started by women. The Pentecostals and charismatics are swayed by emotionalism and this appeals to women. They exalt the Holy Spirit and the work of the Holy Spirit more than exalting Jesus and the Father. The Pentecostal movement is not for Gentiles. It was for the Jews because the Jews required a sign. After Jesus moved on to the Gentiles with the Apostal Paul, tounges were no longer necessary. This is from Robert Breaker and his cloud church here on youtube.
I am not a Baptist biut where I live there are two Baptist churches a couple of hundred yards apart. A member of either would not be seen dead in the other. One is conservative the other liberal. I fear the Baptist Union of Ireland has deep problems.
@@nancypatricia511 Sorry your analysis/answer is wrong. Our God is One. Nothing wrong exalting the Holy Spirit. He is Almighty. It is flesh that must not glory before God. Without the Holy Spirit, man has no communion or fellowship with God and the Lord Jesus.
I appreciate your comment. I was raised Pentecostal and I loved the Lord with all of my heart. Later I became just nondenominational up until about 5 yrs ago when I realized that Christian Reform was really speaking to me. Im glad the Lord gently guidied me to it. I know my family (mother, father, sister, brother and my husband) loved and trusted in the Lord with everything they had. They have all died but I know I will see them in heaven!
The title says its about Pentacostals and charismatics, but the question was about bethel, hillsong which many charismatics and Pentacostals dont agree with! This is confusing!
Exactly. It's very sad that we're all tarred with the same brush. You'd be put under discipline if you tried bringing the Bethel/Hillsong nonsense into our church.
Pentecostals are guilty of the same stuff. I was a 4th-generation Pentecostal and babbled with the best of em. “‘My spirit knows I’m healed, my body just hasn’t caught up yet” “You just don’t have enough faith” “I’m believing it” ive heard it all. God’s miracles were immediate and with the purpose of pointing to His authority. He does still do miracles, but not in the same way. If the church’s job was to heal everyone they come across not only would they be 100% effective EVERY TIME, Jesus would have spent His time healing EVERYONE. He empowered the apostolic church to heal and perform SIGNS (that point to Christ’s deity) in the first century because there was no Biblical canon! They didn’t have Bibles! Now, the miracle is the ability to share the gospel as believers and let God do His work in peoples’ lives through hearing it through us AND the miraculous change that God does in our lives after being born again! Maybe God does more, He absolutely can, but these practices come from pride and covetousness of the 1st century apostolic church. It isn’t having faith in God’s sovereignty to believe He didn’t ALLOW your back to hurt. Read the book of Job! He will allow you to suffer in this life, but only to shape you and use you for His glory. There’s a reason for everything and God’s in control. Now, He does answer prayers but sometimes He says no. You can’t just get emotional and shabadabalaba magic your back into being healed. That’s a lack of faith. Absolutely unBiblical and heretical and opens you up to demonic influence.
The spirit of antichrist comes as an ANGEL OF LIGHT to decisive and lead us astray! You guys are dealing with the devil and don’t even know it. Repent and seek truth please before it’s too late.
I was saved in a small charismatic youth church back in the 1990s. I thought the way they fell on the floor having seizures was weird, but I was there to pursue a girl I was attracted to and wasn't interested in religion. But I had recently prayed sincerely for God to show me the truth if He existed, which I did not yet believe. I had many times mocked Christians and didn't know why. During the service, the pastor said that God knows me and loves me, and that He is a living God. I somehow knew it was true. I think I forgot about the girl and I became a believer that night. I started to read the Bible frequently and tried to understand it as much as I could. As a studied it, I found that it didn't match with someone of the things the charismatic church was teaching. I attended many churches and found that all of them had some part of scripture they were conveniently ignoring or teaching against. I left the charismatic church but I never lost my faith in God, Christ and the Bible.
I am Pentecostal; however, I have nothing in common with Bethel Church, Hillsong, or Joel Osteen and therefore when I am asked about my denomination, I honesty don't know what to say. I grew up in a different country were the church had the fear of the Lord, went through persecution, and knew that our life is meant to be with trials and suffering. I love my baptist brothers (many of my relatives are Baptists (both of my grandpa's were baptists, one was a preacher and another was a pastor) and the only difference between us is the fact that I believe in prophecies and other gifts and they are very skeptical about it. I myself am skeptical about most of them, but I have seen it work in my life, I see it working in the Bible and God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. I believe the problem with many Pentecostal churches is the fact that many don't study the Bible and believe almost everyone...it's sad, but many Baptist churches here in US (and worldwide) begin to do the same... Where I come from baptists and penticostals loved each other, went to each others churches, married and most of all had the fear of the Lord. It makes me sad when I look at both of the denominations here in US (at least the ones that I am familiar with) because ppl don't read or know the word and have no idea what the real Christianity is.
Suomalainen helluntailaisuus on onneksi hyvin konservatiivista verrattuna Amerikan helluntailaisuuteen. Itse käyn Turun helluntaiseurakunnassa koska uskon että se on Turun raamatullisin seurakunta(joka ei ole paljon sanottu). Itse olen kalvinisti ja cessationisti joten en tietysti ole seurakunnan pastoreiden kanssa läheskään aina samaa mieltä ja huomaan itse 20 vuotiaana, että seurakuntamme nuoriso on täynnä ei-uskovia. Itseasiassa siellä on vain muutamia kristittyjä. Ketään ei kiinnosta Raamattu eikä teologia ovat jopa vihamielisiä tai vaan väliinpitämättömiä jos puhuu jotain sen suuntaisia asioita. Seurakunta kuitenkin laulaa Betheliä ja Hillsongia yms ja väistämättä näiden harhaopit tulee mukana ja se on äärimmäisen huolestuttavaa enkä oikein tiedä mitä tehdä. Naispuhujat/saarnaajat ovat jo seurakuntaan saapuneet viime vuosina. Sen tiedän että kun saan omia lapsia ja mahdollisuuden parempaan seurakuntaan niin en lapsiani tälle altista.
i love PW... i'm "pentecostal" and my only difference --- in doctrine --- with him(Baptist doctrine) is that im not cessacionist. I think that Bethel isn't pentecostal, to me a pentecostal is people like AW Tozer, Leonard Ravenhill, David Wilkerson, Dereck Prince...
R.T Kendall, Craige Keener, Wayne Grudem, Gordon Fee, Josh McDowell, Jack Deere and many more are there for authenticating Biblical Pentecostal Movement.
There may be a valid point here. What is a Penticostle? Who are the Penticostles? Are there groups adopting or borrowing the label of Penticostle without fitting in with the brand?
@@kirabeatz9988 Kira , sorry if I mislead you. But I know it is not true, thus that is why my response to him was to laugh. I am completely secure in my faith in Jesus Christ.
Honestly, we have to listen to the same elitist baptist bull dust regurgitated by the same village idiots (John MacArthur included) where the charismatic move is knocked by baptist intellectuals - Masher included. Let me ask this question if the baptist movement was "the be all and end all" that Jesus intended, why do so many baptists live defeated and powerless lives - and end up either leaving the ministry and the faith or resigning themselves to a life of frustrated disappointment. In contrast (and despite their excesses), charismatics live comparatively fulfilled lives, where the reality of Jesus is visible, in virtually every aspect of their lives. My sister and brother in law used to be baptists and now want absolutely nothing to do with the church which unfortunately typifies what I have just said. Dispite the continual "prophecy" by these so-called intellectual paragons of Christianity, that the charismatic move is doomed to implosion - Charismatic Christianity is growing in leaps and bounds at the expense (I might add) of the baptist and denominational churches ( a fact that baptists really hate hearing). SO why is this happening??? Does the answer lie in the fact that your average charismatic takes Gods word for what it is - the unadulterated Word of life and power and doesn't try to intellectualise it - because they realise that simple faith pleases God (Heb 11:6). Is it because the average charismatic does his/her best to develop their relationship with the Holy Spirit - while the average baptists strut around like intellectual peacocks, showing everyone how little they know and believe - while their lives eptomise defeated and ineffectual Christianity, that no one wants anything to do with. The baptists have forgotten one simple truth - Jesus saves - absolutely and praise God for that. BUT JESUS ALSO EMPOWERS - and for that you need the Holy Spirit, the Gifts and the continual baptism of the Spirit evidenced by the speaking in other tongues. So come one with your criticism - come on with your superior attitudes - remember this truth "pride cometh before a fall".
I was at a pentecostal gathering in Stockholm with people supporting Bethel, with 20 thousand people attending from all over europe. They shouted to God, and many times, it seemed like the service was was about making as much noise as possible. I stood there thinking to myself: "God... you cannot move here, because they are doing church all wrong!". But, you know what!? God didnt listen to me (luckily)! Over 2000 people repented of their sins, gave their lifes to christ, and hundreds of poeple got healed of sicknessees. 5-10 people even said that Jesus took away their visible skin scares from a lifetime of self cutting. I learned that day that God does not care as much as we do on how things are done. He listens to the heart of every hungry human being attending the service, and help the people in need! Some shouting preachers at stage can't stop HIM, because God is love.. neither can Paul Washer with his theology. I do not agree with many of the things Paul Washer preach, still I was actually saved from Paul Washer speach, leaving me crying to God to save me in tears. God did, and gave me the gift of LOVE towards God, and hate towards sin! God can use Paul Washer, God can use Bill Johnson. Lets not judge each other, and start sharing in what we have in common, our Lord Jesus Christ.
MrReierz Not a comment on what you experienced. I just want to say. Good thing God leads us even though we're not perfect. I'm a bit frustrated with the Church these days, but also thankful that the Church belongs to God and he will make it glorious, one day.
"and hundreds of poeple got healed of sicknessees." Do you mean they paid a bunch of little old ladies to pretend like they couldn't walk and wheeled them in the wheel chair and then they were healed and got up and started dancing? Yeah I've seen that before, that is not legit.
@@keepmycommandmentsandlive1607 The sad thing about your comment is that it is very telling of HOW much, rather I should say, how little you value the Holy Spirit. I have been sitting in a Southern Baptist church for the last 8 years, praying for Holy Spirit to show up in power, move the dying congregation into a quickening of understanding of Him and embrace Him for all He is. The pastor there is an awesome man of God and shepherds his flock to the best of HIS ability...residing there for 10 years. As a youth, he was youth pastored by Jack Taylor. If you don't know who that is, look him up. Our pastor is not a total cessationist but has followed the track of a basic Southern Baptist Convention preacher in all other forms. He admits to having asked Holy Spirit to gift him with tongues and to take control of him...years ago in his 20's. But, because it wasn't immediately evident in his perception that he received the gifting, he didn't persevere and he left the thought behind...believing it wasn't for him. Sad, VERY sad. Long story short, he has remained friends with Jack Taylor over the years and has invited Jack and his wife to minister in our church, not once but a few times. When they did minister, there were more than a few healings, including a woman in her mid 70's, being totally healed of scoliosis. Now, you would think the people of the church would want to seek getting to know the Holy Spirit more after that. But sadly, no. He was quickly put back into a box, and left to set somewhere on a indistinct pew, not to be heard from again due to lack of enthusiasm, love, and correct understanding of Him. That church is dying and the gospel message is dying due to the lack of spiritual power being allowed to operate among God's people. WHY is it considered more the work of the enemy than the work of God through the Holy Spirit when His gifts manifest? Have you ASKED yourself THAT question? Could it be that the enemy is doing what he does best? Invoking FEAR into the situation and KILLING, STEALING, and DESTROYING the church by KEEPING it WEAK? Whether you understand it or not, the Holy Spirit is GRIEVED when He is not INVITED into His church, when He is FEARED and His natural displays of GLORY are mocked as being that of the being who is OPPOSITE of Him. Does it make SENSE that when people are drawn more closely TO God through the manifestations of Holy Spirit...that it would instead be a COUNTERFEIT work of the devil? It would be wise to think on these things and seek the Holy Spirit for the answer, before making light of things you choose not to further study and understand. Pax Christi
Well said sir , I have been to Evangelical and now penticostal and have found Good,s love in both. Our penticostal Pastor, teaches the love and grace of Christ , not prosperity gospel or that everyone is saved but we must draw people in to get them to come to Jesus Christ.
@@keepmycommandmentsandlive1607 So you don't believe that God can heal? It's a rethorical question... p.s. I don't like what I see with the charismatic and penticostal movements, but I know that my God is mighty to heal and know ppl who were healed of the diseases; however, I believe that He works with the individuals and not a crowd.
What I find very disturbing is that there are sooooo many different kinds of religions...JESUS PREACHED,BE HOLY FOR I AM HOLY and not other religious garbage
This is a GOOD man - not perfect but GOOD! He's right on the nail when he turns the spotlight on the general evangelical ignorance of scripture. I wonder if God will use circumstances to reveal more of his truth to Paul? Jesus said we would be known by the fruit we display. Jesus also said signs and wonders would follow the preaching of those who believe. Much love in Christ and a very speedy recovery, Paul.
What I have found in these last days before our Lords return is that most Churches will accept Revelation AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT COME FROM REVELATION!!
@@zaneallman no where in the bible does it talk about getting re baptized .i had struggled with the same question.i got baptized around 11 or 12 and as i got older i lived in sin and didnt want church but i gave my life to God at home in 2019 at 16 and im 18 now.we need to repent and follow God whole heart.
I go to a charismatic church in the UK and it's very set on the word. The word is so important to us, we live in it and by it - especially the original teachings. I get though, that some churches arn't like that. However not all churches are like this.
Charismatic itself comes from the Greek- χάρισμα. That means any good gift that flows from God's love. That being said, in reference to the Gifts of the Spirit, continuationism isn't unbiblical and neither is cessationism. I don't think Paul Washer's discernment of this issue in particular was very on par considering he addresses unitarianism/universalism. While it wouldn't surprise me that there are some whom maybe affiliated with Unitarianism and be continuationists, assuming those two to be equivalents is not a good discernment. My prayer for him is that he gets out and about and encounters and engages with people more and seeks to understand his audience more.
Max Marshall Who Washer? Yes I would expect him and others who are the lead pastors/speakers of the church to. I've not been around many Pentecostals or charismatics to comment on that, though from what I do know, there are those that do which are out there.
richardmaggio1979 the Holy Spirit is given unto us to judge that which is evil from that which is good hence a born again Christian is not able to be deceived.
I have lived the majority of my life on feelings partly because I have been described as "charismatic," and I will tell you this has hurt me tremendously. I was raised by charismatic parents and we lead a evangelical church and I saw a lot of people come in and out of the community. The truth is feelings come and go, but the Word of God stands as authority. I'm not much of a "worshipper," but even when people claim to know and hear the Spirit I am often times skeptical. I find myself more and more becoming an objectivist in company of Christians.
Worship isn’t based on feelings. I found when I walk in my sonship with Christ my feelings have affirmation of the Spirit, there’s no added side play. Tell me what you think. God bless!
I don’t know what an objectiveist is, because everyone who desires truth wants the objective truth. But have you heard of Mohler? He’s the best the best one teaching the gospel today!
@@dgh5223 Amen. It's good to check ourselves. It's good to know that every heart is deceitful, that every man is a liar, and that all imagination is vain in contrast to the infallible Word of God.
Paul Washer is a Calvinist through and through, of course he's gonna be biased against Pentecostals or any other denomination for that matter, this is what they do.
Hey Jesse. Did u know Paul Washer has a high respect for Leonard Ravenhill? Reformed folks have a respect for those who believe differently than us. However, Paul is clearly calling out the hard-core heretical stuff. Idk why that is a problem to u?
I have not seen this inclusive-ism and pro homosexual acceptance in ANY charismatic or Pentecostal churches. I have heard of a couple individuals quit a charismatic church because their charismatic church stuck with the Bible. In the evangelical world I have only seen cessationist churches accept the gay lifestyle - not the charismatics. For every charismatic I have seen "deconstruct" (or quit the faith) I have seen at least 20 cessationists deconstruct. That is MY personal experience - just what I have personally seen in over 50 years as a Christian.
We need to follow Paul of the Bible . He was 100% penticostal and maintained spiritual disciplines. Just because few people act funnily, the penticostal truth and the experience should not be ignored.
Pentecost was a Hebrew Israelite feast day and not a religion, so no Paul was not a Pentecostal a religion that did not exist until the early 20th century.
@@thecomingstorm9327 I believe in what happened on the day of Pentecost. I believe the only religion we need is Christ. But as for the Bible signs that people are stating ceased, the Bible has never said that. That’s an ignorant doctrine. As a matter of fact, Jesus said “ these signs “shall” follow them that believe. It’s the unbelievers who won’t have the signs of God following.
No explanation of doctrines that are bad. Just them vs us. And instead of discussing the actual word itself. We lend our opinions and rebuke each other. Christ of joy or of contention. Either way we rejoice.
I am a pentecost and we dont have time to look at other churces flaw or criticize, most of us are busy looking to those who are lost and broken. Say what you want we are free. Freedom is here let Gods name be exalted.
The pentecostals almost cost me my soul when I was young by telling me that I did not receive the Holy Spirit because I did not speak in tongues! I was on fire for God for a few years as a young man, but felt eventually very frustrated and like God rejected me somehow! Thank God for his love that he actualy does have for me, and his patience! After most of my adult life doing it my way, I eventually fell on my face broken and ready to give up on life, when I surrendered and humbled myself and begged Jesus for faith! He immediately oulled me out of the pit, gave me his Spirit, removed my life long death wish, filled my heart with love for Him and my fellow man, gave me true faith , and I did not speak in tongues. I was still wondeing after all those years about the tongues thing, and he gave me an undniable sign that my grandmother saw as well, a miraculous sign that let me know I was in fact re-born of the Holy Spirit! I really still love some of those Pentecostal people I sang and worshiped with years ago, I believe some of them truly loved the Lord! But I think that is a horrible doctrine and i can cause people to turn from the truth! Fortunately, like Paul Washer said, God will show the Truth to those he chooses!
Todd Geffken, I can relate. I was brought up much the same way, and I think of all the youth that I grew up with in the Pentecostal church and not one of them is serving the Lord to this day. I’m forever grateful that God took the scales off my eyes, and that I can now see the truth. Even to this day, my parents look at me blankly when I present the Gospel according to the Bible (that we are wretched sinners in need of a Saviour). I pray for them that they might see.
It is a shame, but not all Pentecostal groups believe that speaking in tongues is some necessity or penultimate sign. You are right though, such doctrines are very destructive.
I've gone to Assemblies of God churches for years, as well as other denominations. None of them practice church discipline, they are afraid to lose tithes and members. I've given up trying to find a Biblical church in this apostate age.
I hope you don't mean the Potter's House where T.D. Jakes is head pastor. I know way too much dirt on that whole scene, wouldn't go there if my life depended on it. The other one I will look into.
@@adamgoodword7888 ELEVATION isn't even charismatic. Secondly that's most of Christian worship music. Just about all of its gone that way and there isn't much biblical worship music left. Just because the majority goes crazy on doctrine (which is on both sides) you can't say they simply aren't Brothers. And as for the cessation view how can we say the gifts have ceased when they had them in the old testament. That's the same as saying God changes which isn't possible.
The only thing that makes me Pentecostal is that I pray in tongues, the Spirit helps me to pray for my non Christian loved ones and the Lord sometimes shows me Bible passages or words of encouragement to give to people to help them. I am happy to attend any church which preaches according to biblical truth and the Apostles' Creed. I haven't had many problems with Pentecostal churches as they tend to be conservative and Bible based where I've lived in the UK and Australia. Where some people tend to err is in being too casual toward God but I believe that is a modern problem and I haven't seen it in leadership where I've lived.
It’s hard when it comes to different denominations like the charismatic group, where they’re actually leading people away from Christ and possibly to hell. It’s hard not to step in and let everyone know about it, but I know what you mean
Nick Hybner Jesus’s Church doesn’t have a denomination. The true Bible, the written Word of God, is what should always be the common denominator of Believers and Followers of Jesus Christ.
It’s not a Christian thing; it’s a human thing. Anywhere you have people, you will have division on ideas, beliefs, topics. Whether an atheist, democrat, republican, a vegan, or football fan.
You need to get it together and deal with it. Human history is rife with disagreements on theology. And it always will be until Christ returns and obliterates it all.
i always thought the fruits of our labors is proof of the holy spirit and everyone receive the holy spirit threw believing the gospel ephesians 1:13 and paul say that there are different gifts not just speaking in tongue and that the least gift we would want
Bad answer Paul Washer. God has proven to bring revival in massive waves not just "local churches". I can name many believers in the reform camp who are living in sin. And to say the gifts don't exist anymore is a big teaching error. I lost respect for this man.
What gifts? I have never seen any in any church. We have Jesus, we have the Holy Spirit. The Lord gives us what we need. What value are gifts if you are caught up in the Pentecostal, Charismatic, NAR or Latter Rain movements? They come to naught because you will end up being cast into the lake of fire for all eternity.
Washer must not understand how much a following he has in conservative Pentecostalism. BTW, conservative Pentecostals are NOT "Charismatics". We are distinct movement from Charismatics.
Not all Pentecost and charismatics are the same. Not sure if I’m one of them, but I know for a fact they’re not all the same. One of the biggest influential sound doctrine pastors in Mexico is a charismatic. His name is Chuy Olivares. He has really good preaching and has gone against a lot of the false teachings movements like these spread. In other words you can say he goes based on the biblical parameters. So yeah I don’t think all of them are the same.
I have never been to other Pentecostal churches but all I'm going to say is we have healing in our church, prophecy's and much more. I do not see these gifts in Baptist church's nor have i ever heard a prophecy their or people speak in tongues. We have had many miracles in are church and it feels alive and like a fire where i cannot say the same for other churches.
The question really is: Is there any use/need to speak in tongues today, in the age where the majority of the world speaks 5 languages in total and you can literally get an app that translates into/from any language? And by languages I don't mean gibberish like "shallamalla-shallamalla" but actual, spoken tongue. The same goes for healing.
@@lexethonor294, truly, you avoid responding to the question. The Word of God says many things but it does not say that we should speak tongues. It was something that the disciples did in the 1st century because they had no other way to share the Gospel.
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Hey guys! Just wanted to spread a little hope. Ive been to many pentecostal churches that have done away with the hard side of the gospel (hyper grace preaching), but I did eventually find a Pentecostal church that does practice discipline, with discipline being more and more serious depending on someone's role in the church. E.g. a disciple will be taken out of ministry for 3months whereas a Pastor caught in sin is taken out of a Pastoral role completely and not allowed to attempt to get in ministry again for a minimum of 3 years. Homosexuality is not accepted at all, relationships that are outside of marriage are rebuked and lovingly asked to either become a marriage or separate, and an evangelism event in our church will be cancelled completely if the person leading it falls into sin. If someone continuously sins to the point where its causing a spirit of that particular sin to affect other members in the church then that person is put out of the church for 3 months or more. Women are not allowed to be Pastors and submissiom to authority as unto God is taught diligently. So yes, whilst there are many pentecostal churches that have done away with the hard word of the bible, the good thing is there are pentecostal churches that have not.
I love Paul washer. He’s amazing! I love Charles Spurgeon as well. I guess I don’t like the Calvinism. I don’t want to get into it. Pentecostals have great born-again testimonies!!! The thing is, I love their stuff, well probably most of it or some of it. But I also love Baptist stuff and some of the reformed stuff too. Paul Washer preaches the true gospel and he’s really strong! Pentecostal people are alive and their music is great and they have great testimonies. Are there any churches in the middle of all that? Like, are there any churches in the middle, like reformed Pentecostals or Pentecostals that preach the true gospel like Paul washer does? Thank you so much! I believe in the spiritual gifts. They are still active today. But I love Paul washer and Charles Spurgeon.
@@Jesusbride515 im not a pentecostal, but i do believe the gifts are active today, i personally dont speak tounges but speaking in tounges is not the only gift, there is prophesy, there is wisdom, there is faith, there is hope, there is love, there is discernment. Also no there is no denomination between everything you mentioned, you will always find a conflict between them. I also would have loved to find a church like that but i havent yet, pentecostals are great because they believe in the gift of tounges and prophecys but there are more the ones that fake it then who really have it, also they will always focus in tounges because that is the only gift that is visible, now the reformed ones like paul washer i like them because they have pure doctrine, their teachings are straight forward, they dont use music to alter your emotions, they let the word of God do its work. All i have to say my friend, that for us christians to be so divided is clearly a sign of end of times, read your bible and always ask guidenes of the Holy Spirit, without Him you wont truly understand the messege and msiterys in Gods word.
You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder! Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”-and he was called a friend of God. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. James 2:19-24
I would like a direct answer for a direct question. When did the gifts of the Spirit stop according to scripture? Who were the gifts for according to scripture?
Its so sad that he sees things this way because he is so wrong. I know people from Bethel and that is a wonderful group of people who are very passionate about God, Paul just wants conservatism at all costs, his picture of God id very narrow and sad
Jesus didn't allow ANY of his disciples(HIS PERSONAL 11 that SEEN him in the flesh and performed miracles before they were even born again!!) to preach the gospel to ANYONE until they received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Luke24:47-49 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things John20:22 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high “And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost. You see here that they're already born again because they RECEIVED the Holy Spirit and have faith in his death,burial&resurrection so they are now born again. Instructed to wait until they're endued with power of the Holy Spirit&fire&immediately after you see miracles,signs&wonders as Jesus performed. They're fulfilling the great commission quite literally.
The disciples were not filled with the Holy Spirit until it was poured out in Acts chapter 2 on the day of Pentecost. To many Bible references to quote from.
+Jon Wood I know. I never said anything contrary to that. They received the Holy Spirit (born again) when Jesus breathed on them. They became born again and had the Holy Spirit abiding in them one with their human spirit. They weren't baptized with the Holy Ghost and power until the day of Pentecost, when they were in the upper room. It was prophesied by Joel2:28-32 and Peter ended up quoting that. John the Baptist also prophesied it Matt3:11-12, Luke3:16, John1:33. And Isaiah prophesied about the manifestation of the Holy Spirit by speaking in tongues and the ability to understand and teach by the baptism in the Holy Spirit(Isaiah28:9-13) I know there are other prophecies but I can't think of any right now, it's past my bed time lol
That is false, in the Gospel of John Jesus breathed on them while saying "Receive the Holy Spirit". At Pentecost they received power and were filled completely by the Holy Spirit.
Elizabeth Bloedow Well, if he were to use scripture, he'd prove himself wrong. These guys are being arrogant and can't see where they're lead astray. Sad.
@The Opposite of a Machine AMEN! I studied to be a pastor at a pentecostal church. I couldnt reconcile their teaching with the bible. This man is one of the boldest preachers around
I never learned true grace Or forgiveness in Pentecostal churches I spent the first 34 years of my life in them Took me many years to find what grace was
Whenever I listen to Paul Washer .He always judge other Men of God who preach the gospel .only God has the right to judge .whether they are right or wrong they have to give an account to God one day .but you should not take the place of God to judge others .you do your own job . Preach the word as God called you to do .
jacob maier Me too. I love John Piper, RC SPROUL and Alaister Begg, but they're missing out on some powerful stuff that the Holy Spirit is doing. I want the *whole* gospel. That's why I don't align myself with any denomination.
It's a shame that there is horrible demonic doctrine. I agree with that. But assuming that every person who believes in the gifts of the Spirit moving today is wonky is absurd. That's like saying every Reformed believer is a hypercalvinist. We need to properly discern because we know in ALL sections of the church there are people who are teaching false doctrine and are deceived. That's why Scripture teaches not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom
Dominic Polverino My experience comes fro. sitting in a Reformed church for 10 years back in the 90's. I was the only one in the church who delivered people because the Presbyterian Church I attended didn't BELIEVE IN DELIVERANCE! They are missing out on a lot of things by restricting the Holy Spirit.
This hasn't to do with cessation ism though? Grudem and Piper and MLJ and Wilkerson etc. aren't cessationist and they would agree totally woth PW about the prosperity preachers/WOF preachers. They are separate issues.
"God is love," yes, but it was mentioned very little in the Bible. "Fear God," now this, this is the phrase mentioned A LOT in the Bible. "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom ..." "A god fearing woman is far more precious than ruby .." "Fear me, I am the Lord, ..." Don't just focus on love, fear Him. Respect Him. This is the same God who get angry, get jealous, even tho He is patience, and when He decided to act, it is scary. Really scary. He could even banished death, so that you can suffer, but not die. Respect him. Please don't forget it.
How about we all just work out OUR OWN SALVATION with trembling and fear! If your truly born again and filled with the spirit you won’t find this difficult! 🙄🙏🏽
Hazel Scarlett sounds very self-centered. Did Paul give this kind of an example? Quite the opposite actually. We are supposed to care about the spiritual condition of God’s people and Christ’s church and not just let everything slide.
Reading the books of the New Testament, we probably asked ourselves more than once: *"Why 2000 years we do not see those miracles that accompanied the Сhurch of Christ in the I century, as described in the New Testament?"* Why do the so-called preachers of Christ have to prove that Jesus really existed and atheists boldly deny the historicity or divine origin of Christ? Maybe because the Сhurch of Christ has not existed for 2000 years? The Сhurch does not exist in the form in which it is presented in the books of the New Testament, but there are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and other christian sects claiming to be the place of the Church, but they not have the only thing that distinguishes the divine from the human and is characteristic of just the Сhurch of Christ -the reinforcement of the word with signs, that is, miracles (Mark 16:15-20). Therefore, some researchers doubt the historicity of Christ, and some of them are not opposed to declaring him a an ordinary philosopher, teacher. But even if Jesus were an ordinary philosopher, his disciples would be ordinary followers of Jesus. And they would not dare to write about the miracles that not only Jesus, but also his disciples, could perform. In this world, the great fertility of atheism can be explained by the fact that there is no main opponent of critics of the Bible - the Church. If there were the Church in our time as described by the authors of the New Testament books, where miracles are performed, the sick are healed, where prophesied, and the dead are raised, no one would doubt the historicity of Christ. Then there would be the same controversy throughout the world as in the first century - Jesus the Son of God or the false prophet who seduces the world by miracles. As a result, we can say that the emergence and development of christian sects and atheism was the result of the fact that over the 2000 years the Сhurch of Christ did not exist. Find *"The Mystery about the Church of Christ"* video on RU-vid. The video reveals the prophecy of the disappearance and reappearance of the Church of Christ before the End of the World. Watching this video will give hope to all who sincerely seek God and will interest those who are not too lazy to think freely. Click on my name to watch the video (The video is in Russian, but English subtitles are included).
Wait, so he guarantees that God will bring "genuine Christians" out of Bethel or Jesus Culture? Does that mean all "genuine Christians" are predestined to become good Presbyterians or Reformed Baptists? What hubris, and theological nonsense. I'd love to see his exegetical support for such a position.
My sense from watching a range of these clips is that personal conduct,. proper and civilised middle class white man behaviour is often the real issue. I'm fascinated as a social scientist as as to how many of you own 'truth'. There is a very wide range of owned 'truth' and claims to 'truth' among you. You look to me more like s bunch of children squobling in the school playground.
Washer always seems so tense and literally he seems to have a tormented spirit. If only this man woke up and realized that Calvinism is just as heretical as people like Bill Johnson. People need to stop trying to work their way into heaven and put all their trust in Jesus Christ.
I would describe myself as a charismatic. I have Pentecostal roots as well. While I disagree with Paul Washer and John Mccarthur on cessationism, I find their teachings really good. God has blessed me through preachers like them in so many ways.
Same. Very strong men of God who love Jesus, yet are throwing the baby out with the bath water when they lump genuine gifts of the Spirit in with heresy like prosperity/word of faith theology. Their lack of nuance causes them to impose limitations on how God operates today.
I also find their teachings good and solid except when it comes to cessationism. They limit God and put God in a box when they think God cannot bestow gifts of the Holy Spirit. Having said that I don't believe that a genuine outpouring of spiritual gifts looks anything like the circus show that goes on at churches like Bethel. Unfortunately, a lot of what we see these days is not genuine but rather carefully orchestrated emotional hype.
@@j.c.5999 Chuck Smith called it 'Charismania', he was right. However, I refuse to apologise for the snake oil salesmen who have dogged the true church since the day of Pentecost itself. I have no truck with them and will have none and resent bitterly being placed by others alongside them.
Exactly! They are anointed men of God. It is obvious. So, why? Why do they insist on pulling tares? You cannot listen to these rants and rationalize they speak in love. And, any man who says he loves God yet hates his brother is a liar.
@@Zionist_Eternal The Bible teaches, through the apostle Paul, that Christians are called to point out false teachers. Paul did this himself. I have a hard time understanding how a believer can have a problem with someone who exposes false teachings/teachers -- particularly when God says we are to do this.
This title doesn't reflects what is being asked and said. Paul Washer was asked about charismatic churches like Bethel, Jesus Culture and other mega-churches. Which really are using New Age doctrines but in the name of Jesus.
I agree with Paul regarding Bethel and Jesus Culture. I do not agree with him that Pentecostal churches and charismatic churches are hell bound. Wayne Grudem book on Reformed Theology is probably the most accurate and honest representation of biblical doctrine.
A BIG problem here: the content of this video compared to its title. ITS COMPLETELY MISLEADING. You speak of the Pentecostal church but only make reference to charismatic/get rich doctrine which is completely a false doctrine. They DO NOT represent the Pentecostal church. They believe in oneness and deny the Trinity of God. (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) YOU FAIL to mention about the Assemblies of God which are true Pentecostal. Humble People, mostly low income people that don't care about material wealth but who fight every day to purify themselves bin Christ and follow the will of the Lord God made known to us by His Son the Christ. You people in this video as it is presented here, are doing a big miss service to the proclamation of the Gospel. You must revise your remarks and be accurate. The Pentecostal church Assemblies of God is the true and faithful church of God. Do a little research on it at least.
Just like we overlook Washer's Cessationist beliefs, and is still considered a Christian, he should do the same with those who believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You cannot group churches that believe in spiritual gifts with the coming "apostasy" and the gay/lesbian agenda. He mentions John MacArthur who promotes that the "mark of the beast" is harmless to those in his church. Watch out who you are listening to.
The title throws me off a little bit and after having read some of the comments, I thought of sharing this. Please read below. Firstly, a lot of people don’t understand the difference between the modern charismatics and the traditional Pentecostals. The traditional Pentecostal movement began in 1900 and accelerated through the Azusa street revival in 1906. The charismatic movement was a separate movement that began in the 1960s and was independent of the Pentecostal movement. Secondly, word of faith and prosperity gospel came into the church through individuals such as Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland and others as well as faith healers such as Benny Hinn etc. Word of faith and prosperity gospel are not part of the traditional Pentecostal movement. I grew up a Pentecostal and have utmost respect for the early Pentecostals and people such as David Pawson and David Wilkerson. These were men of sound theology and men who believed in the power of the Holy Spirit. I’m sure that brother Paul Washer here is not talking about the Pentecostal movement as I have heard him speak well of David Wilkerson elsewhere as well as Leonard Ravenhill who was very closely associated with the Pentecostal movement Also, I would request the reader to please listen to the sermon series on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit by Martyn Lloyd Jones. Listening to him preach on that subject is as though one was listening to a Pentecostal. Having said that, I don’t agree with individuals such as Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, etc. They are very different from the early Pentecostals who were people of humble beginnings, sound theology, people who preached and lived holy lives and believed in the power of the Holy Spirit. So, I would urge my dear brethren, whom I love very deeply in the Lord, to please make that distinction and not label the entire Pentecostal movement the same as the modern charismatic movement or the word of faith/prosperity gospel.
The video title is not correct. Its about two "ministries" tied to the Charismatic movement and the Charismatic Movement. There are many Godly men and women within the Pentecostal movement. He two terms Charismatic and Pentecostal are not synonymous. The title is a bit misleading. Not saying the author intended to mislead.
10: The Church's mission is to seek and save all who are lost in sin; the Church is the Body of Christ and consists of all people who accept Christ, regardless of Christian denomination. That is from the Assemblies of God statement of faith, so am I to infer that jw's, Mormons, sda's and other Christianized cults are all good Christians? that is what it says at face value. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
I have a great Love for Paul Washer and Bill Johnson (Bethel) The problem with this type of dialogue is that washer is stating "I watched a video and the man showed me" when in all reality there are tons of videos, clips, and audio recordings taken out of context, modified, and manipulated daily in order to 'attempt' to make a point. The fact of the matter is this, if we are going to be BIBLICAL as Washer and MacAuther are rightfully concerned about, then why will they not sit down with any of the people they are criticizing according to the Biblical mandate of Matthew 18:21-35? Why does MacAuthor refuse to sit down with Dr. Michael Brown who wrote an entire book in response to MacAuthor' strange fire conferences and literature? Why do the cessationists run from brotherly Love and humbling themselves enough to sit down with the prominent leaders of the Charismatic movement whom they disagree with based on 'Videos" and "Clips"? Is this biblical Love? Is the the Body of Christ handling one another in the fruit and unity of the Spirit? No, unfortunately, it's a slanderous witch hunt which is spiraling out of control. So much so that they are now calling people names, laughing at genuine followers of Christ, and ignoring the fact that cessationist beliefs are fading fast all across the world. Most who are coming to Christ today in foreign countries including millions of muslims in Africa and the middle east are having supernatural encounters with Jesus and then turning around and evangelizing their communities. But you wont hear that at the strange fire conference, because it's an inconvenient truth that cripples their position.
But what dose he mean when refering to Pentecostals? What i have seen in the past is that they like to lump Pentecostals a word of faith and prosperity movement all together and they are wrong. I know many Pentecostals whom you would not know that they were and do not fit the description of what he just said.
The idea that mystacism is somehow related to a relationship with God is blasphemy in itself. What do I mean by that. The same people that claim the Holy Spirit lead them to a pentacostal church, will have fellow church members that are living in carnal sin with unrepentant hearts. You see it's possible to be saved and be in a pentacostal church as God saves whomever He wants but it's not possible to be under their doctrine of The gifts, church dissipline and count yourself as being in the narrow road that leads to life and sometimes even their Christology and escatology are wrong. You need not be in a charismatic church, neo-pentacostal or tradisional pentacostal church, they seek signs and wonders to validate their belief in God and actually ignore and invalidate the work of the Holy Spirit within a believer's heart and spirit. Jesus never commended those who saught signs, in fact He condemned them because they would not believe even when He performed many miracles. Blessed are those believe yet they do not see.
They are talking about charismatics and Pentecostal, but they forget about their problems in their denomination. Elevation church is part of Southern Baptist where Paul and many other reformed teacher come from and congregate. Elevation Church is one of the most eisegetical churches in today’s society, full of heresy and inclusivism. I am a Pentecostal and I am reformed, in my church we have good theological seminaries, not all churches are the same. We believe in the gifts of God, but we know there has to be an order just as in 1 Corinthians chapter 14, where Paul talks about speaking in tongues. There are Pentecostal churches that do exegesis, and we teach hermeneutics in our seminars.
Religious spirits will never let you know the truth and the secrets of God ministering with the Holy Spirit. I am sadden that Paul judged and discredited a movement in its whole Jesus Culture, Bethel, etc..... Being spirit filled and abiding in God's presence will keep us from religious and pharisaic deception...Paul seems to be very bound, dried up, joyless, too serious...but God is exuberant, generous and deep in his way to express his character: more abundant joy, a jealous love and passion and suffering that can still bring you a joy...this man is dried up from the inside out.
