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Pauline Parker and Juliet Hulme | Folie à Deux (Shared Psychotic Disorder)

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This video answers the questions: Can I discuss the mental health and personality factors that may be at work in the case of Pauline Parker and Juliet Hulme?
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@ethorii 3 года назад

I'm diagnosing Dr. Grande as the most entertaining psychologist on RU-vid.

@diane9247 3 года назад

How do we code that for billing? 😊

@carriegrisham 3 года назад

Yes! I concur and have witnessed a variety of entertaining symptoms in Dr. Grande since I began observing him.

@carriegrisham 3 года назад

@@caroled3943 😂 Yes, only hypothesizing about what might be happening in a situation like this.

@g.w.hampton5525 3 года назад

I concur!

@carriegrisham 3 года назад

@Janet Doe Me too! 🤣

@evita6208 3 года назад

The 1994 movie "Heavenly Creatures" starring Kate Winslet as Juliet Hulme, is based on this case.

@mrooz9065 3 года назад

Well made.

@toweypat 3 года назад

Good movie! I saw it that year and was glad later when it's director, Peter Jackson, was chosen to direct "The Lord of the Rings."

@morbidbeauty_ 3 года назад

I was just about to comment this

@naomilasby7744 3 года назад

@@toweypat ohhh me too, it was a favorite movie of mine and my best friend seen several times, but we were quite young and that was a long ass time ago... unbeknownst to me that was what I was clicking on with this dr grande vid 😁🤘. such a great flick for us "alternateens" of the day...

@meebrbey 3 года назад

I've not seen this movie, was it pretty close to what really happened?

@TheNunududu 3 года назад

Dr. Grande: Pick between murder and surprise. We're not doing both. Me: But... isn't murder always a surprise?

@zeegeeecs 3 года назад

Unless you’re hanging with the wrong [right?] crowd.

@michaelevans580 3 года назад

Murder probably is a surprise to the person being murdered.

@darlenelawson1255 3 года назад

To me it's the strong vrs the weak Pauline was a psychopath but I am not really diagnosing anyon, just a good guess. I believe sometimes a very weak person can be talked into anything. I've seen some friends who are the defacto leader and they get others into major illegal situations. Hope Pauline was taking her medication for TB but that was a long time ago. So maybe no medication. Who knows?. Thank-you for a very intelligent view of this dilemma. I am exhausted just thinking how this complicated case😁❤️🇨🇦. Here is a treat, hope no allergies 🧁🧁🧁🧁🧁. Enough for your whole family?

@ForeverbabyJR 3 года назад

I got my “I’m not diagnosing anyone” Merch today and I’m pumped!

@KruezFam 3 года назад

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@AoiLucine 3 года назад

Story Time: I believe I actually experience Folie a Deux, and I'm glad to actually have a name for it. Back when I was a teenager/college student, I got pulled into a relationship with a young man who had some serious pathological issues (compulsive lying, charismatic/charming when he wanted to be, extremely aggressive on the turn of a dime, lack of forethought/planning, etc). I got pulled into his world where I started to take on character personalities, and believed he (and I, by extension) was 'special'. He used it a lot to manipulate me into staying with him and fortunately it didn't lead to anyone getting hurt but my self (and my family for worrying about me), but I've had such a hard time explaining to others what that 'state' was. It was like I lost who I was, I was that 'character'. And even if some part of me knew back then this probably wasn't true, I wanted to believe it so bad-- partly for myself to feel better, partly to make him happy. It's what I'd describe as a cult like mentality for two. It's really easy to lose your sense of self when you get pulled into that world... thankfully, I'm a lot mentally stronger than I was at that time and can recognize that behaviour better now. Dr. Grande, I'd be interested in your take on 'otherkin' or 'otakukin'-- they're people who believe they're either incarnations of other races/beings, from elves, unicorns and even the Na'vi from Avatar-- or people who believe they're soul bonded' to fictional characters, often based on japanese media like video games or anime. They often worry me because those communities remind me a lot of my own situation as a teen, so I'd love other person's take on it. Thanks for reading.

@maryloufrisch54 3 года назад

LucineBlue I also will never read another book by Anne Perry. In the movie, I hated the bratty indulgent Juliet character. As for your situation, I really think your experience is much more prevalent than one knows. How many times I remember getting swept into a whirlwind with a best friend. I finally realized I didn’t need her for my worth and although I lost my “status” I know now that I had made the right decision. These people make you feel like living on the edge with them is wonderful until something bad happens. When something awful happens, they are swept up by their influential and or wealthy family. I was an outcast for a while but I managed to not be part of her experience. She had gone on and recruited a new victim so I was blessed enough to sit back and read it in the newspaper.

@Alfakkin 3 года назад

I hope you are fine now, good luck

@nachtegaelw5389 3 года назад

I’m not sure what you experienced was folie a deux, it sounds more like brainwashing/manipulation

@Alfakkin 3 года назад

@@nachtegaelw5389 true, she was young and in love with this manipulative man...

@setaside2 3 года назад

I was always surprised that no one ever brought up folie à deux when looking at Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. I knew them for years and would have told you they were perfect candidates for that discussion.

@JasonSmith-se1jg 3 года назад

Would the Slenderman case count as Folie Adeux?

@robertlevine2827 3 года назад

@@JasonSmith-se1jg Yes: Dr. Grande actually did a video about it in that context.

@brandyyolidio4213 3 года назад

True, and the Hart wives who drive off a cliff and killed their entire family 😔

@tommalnati1798 3 года назад

You knew them. We're you a classmate. Sorry for being so direct I don't mean to be insensitive but your comment is fascinating please explain more

@setaside2 3 года назад

@@tommalnati1798 they explained plenty with their actions, my friend... Though I still hold that DeAngelis and his administration got off light.

@grayhatjen5924 3 года назад

Even after the release of "Heavenly Creatures", the Parker Hulme case isn't anywhere near as well known as it should be, IMHO. So glad you addressed this, Doc.

@mollymollie6048 3 года назад

I had read several of “Anne Perry’s” books before I knew about this case. After that, I couldn’t read her books anymore. I have seen documentaries on this case, and it is fascinating from a psychological perspective, and horrific. It amazes me that they were only sentenced to 5 years...perhaps because they were juveniles. The background of this case is fascinating and I think the potential move to South Africa, as well as the challenges Pauline had with her mother/family precipitated the events...as well as the really disturbing relationship the two had. As you said so well, Dr.Grande, it is impossible to tell this many years later what exactly was going on with them mental health wise (I don’t care if their relationship was sexual or not, btw) but, from my knowledge of the case...both came from unhealthy homes, developed an unhealthy, but needed for them at the the time, relationship, and it ended in tragedy. Sad case, thank you for your analysis of this case, Dr. Grande.

@GoGreen1977 3 года назад

I also read a few of Anne Perry's books many years ago and looked forward to continue reading more.. Then I found out about the murder. That was it. I just couldn't pick up another one of her novels.

@rachelraquel758 3 года назад

This is such an interesting case. I can’t believe Anne Perry is just living her life like nothing!

@rachelraquel758 3 года назад

oliviatree I mean, she famous, writing books, etc.

@rachelraquel758 3 года назад

oliviatree she seems to play it off like “well Pauline wanted to do it.”

@rachelraquel758 3 года назад

oliviatree she did. You should watch Stephanie Harlow’s videos on the case. I obviously don’t know what she feels, but writing murder mysteries after murdering someone seems a little flippant.

@rachelraquel758 3 года назад

oliviatree really? I thought she was very credible.

@mrooz9065 3 года назад

Rachel Lindahl Give it to a psychoanalyst and hear she sublimed her homicidal urges to crime fiction.

@Doritohottie09 3 года назад

No matter how stressed out I am by the end of the day, Dr Grande's uploads are always the antidote ❤️

@MegCazalet 3 года назад

I’ve seen an interview with Anne Perry (Juliet) after she’d been unmasked and a already a HUGELY successful author. She writes CRIME novels, which I think is disturbing. In the interview she actually came off as arrogant and unrepentant, acting almost as if it wasn’t her who had done it. She also spoke dismissively of her victim, Honorah Rieper. It was incredibly repulsive.

@Mehki227 2 года назад

She is a sociopath, so...

@jkgent4087 Год назад

I am not an apologist for Perry, but I think she comes across as arrogant as a mask to her pain and vulnerability. She has developed a persona that is cool and self-centered as a defense mechanism. It is as if to say, “You can’t get to close to me or find out more about me. Keep your distance.” This persona is one she has adopted is really part of what she has had to do to protect herself. It is ingrained in her. A bio of Perry by Joanne Drayton portrays her as warm, caring, gracious and forgiving to her inner circle of friends and colleagues. She is defensive in interviews because she has been pilloried by the press at the time of the crime and after she was unmasked.

@aarondavis8943 Год назад

@@jkgent4087 She's probably a psychopath. There's no way to know but it makes the most sense.

@DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT 3 года назад

"Diary writing for future felons!" LOL!

@AirForceFalcons_9922 3 года назад

HA!! I just fell out laughing at that too 😂

@johnwescott1500 3 года назад

Diary Writing For Future Felons For Dummies

@jennj2049 3 года назад

If homicidal surprise parties ever catch on, remember you heard it here first 😂

@acctadmin4073 3 года назад

Look up Bruce Pardo. Killed his family dressed up as Santa

@jguenther3049 3 года назад

@@acctadmin4073 I guess you wouldn't want to get on Bruce's "naughty list."

@blazinvenus3914 3 года назад

Think that's a party I'm gonna skip!🤣🤣🤣

@narasantos6188 3 года назад

Red wedding

@ApoloniaJones1976 3 года назад

@@acctadmin4073 My word. That’s horrifying.

@DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT 3 года назад

Sharing is usually a good thing, but in this case, not so much.

@wheelz8240 3 года назад

Thank you for explaining Folie à Deux more thoroughly than I've ever seen/heard.

@auntielaura5 3 года назад

Several of Anne Perry’s books are about a detective named Monk in Victorian England. Monk develops amnesia and has to discover who he is, while simultaneously hiding the memory loss from everyone else. The interesting part is that Monk doesn’t like the man he finds - who was arrogant, cruel, and universally disliked. He struggles with trying to be a better man, while no one else sees that he’s changed. I’ve always wondered how much of that character’s inner life comes from her own journey.

@therespectedlex9794 Год назад

Or it's a back to front version of her own excuse. When did she ever have amnesia? What does she care about who she used to be?

@ghost_badger7537 Год назад

@@therespectedlex9794 writers get their material from their own experiences but noone is blatantly saying Anne Perry had amnesia

@therespectedlex9794 Год назад

@@ghost_badger7537 Refresh my amnesiac memory. Maybe I'm not blatantly saying that either. I'm not autistically literal.

@ghost_badger7537 Год назад

@@therespectedlex9794 OK dude

@jkgent4087 Год назад

auntielaura@5, There is a very good book, The Search for Anne Perry, By Joanne Drayton. The author had complete open access to Perry and her friends/coworkers. She summarizes each book, and shows the extent that Perry draws on her own experience for the book. She also takes you through Pauline and Juliet’s relationship and the crime. I found it an even-handed account of Perry’s life and the integration of her “two” lives that came after she was “outed” by a reporter. She was publicly identified as Juliet at the time of the release of Heavenly Creatures. Peter Jackson, (think Lord of the Rings) developed and directed the movie. Jackson did not intend to reveal Perry’s identity and tried to stop it. Obviously, he failed. Drayton does not sensationalize or judge the material. In my opinion. This book is more even-handed than Peter Graham’s.

@serendipitous_synchronicity 3 года назад

Thank you Dr Grande.. Folie à deux is a fascinating topic. Your deadpan humour is an added delight. 😊

@cindyrhodes 3 года назад

No fruit and no library.... sheer torture.

@Ron4885 3 года назад

;-)

@watermelonwishes4193 3 года назад

Fruit would be the last thing on my mind if I was in prison. (No offense to fruit.) lol

@DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT 3 года назад

The "Waiting for Dr. Grande" Fan Club seems to be growing.

@helpyourcattodrive 3 года назад

I was literally waiting for Grande.

@MasterMalrubius 3 года назад

Thankfully he actually arrives.

@bcvids9 3 года назад

I wonder if his favourite size at Starbucks is a grande? ⭐☕

@rogerhinman5427 3 года назад

"Polite Homicide" might be a Canadian thing. I'm sorry.

@jguenther3049 3 года назад

Good point. I'll give you an "eh."

@diane9247 3 года назад

Nonono - I'M sorry!

@rogerhinman5427 3 года назад

@@diane9247 But I insist I'm sorry

@watcherwlc53 3 года назад

sorry pronounce SORE-ey

@dwightlangston5444 3 года назад

Sound aboot right😏

@rhythmictiger 3 года назад

Stephanie Harlowe has an indepth video series here on YT on this case that I would highly recommend if you want to know more. Juliet's family was the stereotypical wealthy but cold British family (her father worked on the Manhatten project). They quickly fell out of favour w ppl in Christchurch. Pauline's family worked hard to make ends meet and Pauline's disdain for them and idealisation of the Hulmes (encouraged by them) also played a role.

@kkheflin3 3 года назад

Dr. G! "No fruit and no library."...Bless her heart. Juliet getting to go on and become a prolific writer after no fruit and no library for seven years is "such" an accomplishment. I wonder how many people who bought "Anne Perry's" books know her backstory. I'm guessing not many. I could be wrong!.....

@wendybond2848 3 года назад

I would be too ashamed to be a public person after committing such a crime. I wonder if Juliet really is remorseful

@kkheflin3 3 года назад

@@wendybond2848 Probably why she changed her name and moved a continent away. And then very interesting she apparently writes crime and mystery stories. Probably figured no one would ever know. Underestimated the power of the Internet!

@Bradders-ik3vm 3 года назад

Am I the only one who refreshes Dr Todd Grande RU-vid channel waiting for the next video cause they are too good

@zeegeeecs 3 года назад

It’s just the high openness to experience in you.

@Bradders-ik3vm 3 года назад

@@zeegeeecs you're damn right 😂

@elisamastromarino7123 3 года назад

Melanie Linskey and Kate Winslet were well cast! 😮 They looked a lot like those girls in the movie. Uncanny. The movie, _Heavenly Creatures_ was both magical (their world) and then disturbing. I'm glad you did this case analysis, Doctor Grande. I'd forgotten about these girls/women. Thank you! 👍🌹

@taytayqueen7024 3 года назад

Can you please do some positive characters? People who have contributed to the world in a good way and the characteristics they have that make them different? (It can be anything from Stephen Hawking to Martin Luther King) The world is such a shitty place rn it would be nice to be reminded that good/exceptional people exist.

@adrianaandrade8809 3 года назад

That would be great 🧡

@bethsusan2285 3 года назад

Boooooo

@franmellor9843 3 года назад

The GREAT Stephen Hawking for sure

@jguenther3049 3 года назад

Put up a statue to one of them and someone else will tear it down. We live in a world where no imperfection is tolerated.

@MaurauderGirl 3 года назад

I was going to suggest Alan Turing but that's not exactly a happy end to his story

@watcherwlc53 3 года назад

I believe she wrote the book "Diary Writing For Felons" subtitle "How to Get Convicted For Sure"

@sidrahshams3831 3 года назад

Video: "Hello, this is Dr. Grande." My brain: time to relaaaaaax.

@StachMan 3 года назад

His shirt is gonna make me have a seizure tho

@AirForceFalcons_9922 3 года назад

Lol!

@bcvids9 3 года назад

@@StachMan 🤨

@carriegrisham 3 года назад

Yesss. He naturally has that ASMR-type voice.

@cherylglass4161 3 года назад

My thoughts. Exactly. 🤓

@betsyred4830 3 года назад

You must have read my mind. I have been obsessed with this case ever since I saw Heavenly Creatures and I am presently reading Peter Graham's book. Still remembering how every feeling and sensation is extreme in our adolescence and it is always, never and forever, i was especially drawn to their story. They just took it (way) too far. Thank you for this analysis.

@hollynotholy 3 года назад

I don't know what is it about two girls bonding over homicide that gets to me. I haven't watched Heavenly Creatures, but I did watch Perfect Sisters, that is based on a case of sisters murdering their mother, and I've been weirdly fascinated with both the Parker-Hulme case and this sisters' case for quite some years. It saddens me a lot that friendships that could've lasted for years ended up in delusions and murder. Like, talk about fucking a relationship this badly. I can totally understand Pauline never wanting to be found ever again. She was the one losing a mother over this, and taking a mother away from her sister as well.

@betsyred4830 3 года назад

@@hollynotholy Because of your comment, I watched Perfext Sisters yesterday, interesting. The dynamic is totally different from Pauline and Juliet though, it was a matter of intense friendship and shared delusion not about survival from abuse from an alcoholic mother with evil boyfriends, and in the case of Payline and Juliet they really didn't see the reality around them and who was really trying to break them apart. In both case, the slipping into excessive behaviors due to the inability to cope with unbearable intense emotions is similar. Heavenly Creature is a great film, i hope you watch it at some point.

@hollynotholy 3 года назад

@@betsyred4830 I’m so happy that you got to watch it! Yeah, I imagine the two dynamics might be different, but I think that the lack of proper planning, lack of remorse afterwards, and splitting of the two when incarcerated is pretty close. They both got new identities after being released from jail, like Pauline and Juliet. But I wanna see the differences, too, so I’ll look into watching Heavenly Creatures and will let you know my thoughts!

@softbatch1 3 года назад

I suddenly have the urge to listen to Mario Lanza, the world's greatest tenor!

@millsykooksy4863 3 года назад

softbatch! 😂🤣😂🤣😂

@annem6714 3 года назад

Well, the greatest tenor in the world was Jussi Björling. No such voice heard ever since.🙂 But I understand why you suddenly have the urge to listen to Mario Lanza😉

@Vonn_Loren 3 года назад

"There's no such thing as polite homicide" -- I dunno, Dr. Grande, your dry wit slays me an awful lot... :P

@ethorii 3 года назад

Possibly consensual mercy killing. Paging Dr. Kuvorkian...

@danielintheantipodes6741 3 года назад

Such a sad story. I feel so sorry for the victim. Thank you for the video.

@Attabasca 3 года назад

"Pick between murder and surprise. We're not doing both." - that one almost had my coffee all over the table 🤣 🤣

@dianeellis3925 3 года назад

I’ve read many books by Anne Perry. She is a wonderful author. As I’m reading through the books I often wonder how much her past influences her books. For instance in one series the main character is a detective who suffers from anterograde amnesia. He literally has the opportunity to start his life over again. Thanks for reviewing this case. As usual you’ve done a great job.

@magbarcoe1277 3 года назад

Can you do more on Folie à deux cases please. It's a fascinating insight into how people alone are ok but when coupled with another they become unstable.

@applewagon253 3 года назад

One of my favorite historical cases. I’m always struck by how poorly planned and executed the murder was.

@patrickmcdonagh539 3 года назад

Were you disappointed in them?

@bitteralmonds666 2 года назад

And how they got away with it - only a few years!

@thelocalmaladroit8873 3 года назад

The power of your knowledge, the clarity of your words, the warmth of your voice...🤓

@marpsr 3 года назад

If you don’t have folie a deux does that mean you do have folie a don’t? I’ll let myself out...

@carriegrisham 3 года назад

My type of humor. Nice one!

@caged_rage4915 3 года назад

😂😂🔥

@ZeroGHome24 3 года назад

Cab for one please

@carriegrisham 3 года назад

@@ZeroGHome24 🤣

@mounag8518 3 года назад

Lol , this a a french term: follie = madness ; a = of; deux = two

@mrs.reluctant4095 3 года назад

Good evening, doctor. 🌼 Oh, that's a fascinating case. ⭐

@robynhayward 3 года назад

This brings to mind the case of Ursula and Sabina Eriksson, I'd love to hear your thoughts!

@traciw.6044 3 года назад

Absolutely. I hope he does, that case is beyond bizarre.

@Sarah.Riedel 3 года назад

I actually landed on this video wanting to recommend the Eriksson case, I'm dying to hear his take on that one

@WilliamFGilreath999 3 года назад

At least Pauline Parker had the decency to go into hiding and stay there. Juliet Hulme, unfortunately, has yet to fall off the face of the Earth.

@georgesehy8058 3 года назад

Thank-you Dr. Grande for such an insightful analysis. The human mind is such an extraordnary organ capable of so much that is mysterious and unfathomable. Thanks again!

@12thDecember 3 года назад

"When the police arrived, they noted that the injuries were inconsistent with a fall." Pauline and Juliet considered themselves geniuses. 🙄

@camimons470 3 года назад

It is interesting that you see Pauline as the primary psychotic one who dared with Juliette. I just read a book about the case and the psychiatrists believed Juliet was the dominant one. Pauline had a boyfriend fir a while, while Juliette only had Pauline. Juliette’s parents actually agreed to take Pauline to South Africa to live with Juliette- because they believed Honora would not allow Pauline to go. So Honora took the girls’ blame for separating them. I think The Hulmes were the most pathological of the sets of parents. They abandoned Juliette several times and were planning to do so again. The court placed Juliette in the most awful prison. Pauline was placed in a much better place. Anyway, it is a fascinating case! Thanks for your analysis.

@cindyrhodes 3 года назад

OMG Thank you so much for analyzing this case. It is interesting to see what happened to them afterward!

@longwhitemane 3 года назад

I have always been fascinated by "Folie a Deux." I blows my mind how most people can have friends and nothing bad happens, then a few pairs of friends can share the same delusion. What makes those pairs so special? 🤔

@jguenther3049 3 года назад

Usually both of them are, in the technical jargon, "barmy in the crumpet." The instigator is very forceful; the outstigator is easily hypnotized and spends more and more time under the control of the conscienceless part of her Unconscious. Eventually, anything is possible; fantasy becomes reality. And Dr. Grande gets another video. We get to watch it. Win-win.

@lorettanericcio-bohlman567 3 года назад

Guenther, sounds like the entire GOP

@diane9247 3 года назад

@The Real Deal Well, like she said, we get another video. 😬

@dagmarland 3 года назад

It's even more mind-blowing when you consider how common obsessive teen girl friendships are. My understanding is that it's an effect of the developing teen brain. It's fortunate that so few of them lead to murder.

@longwhitemane 3 года назад

@@dagmarland You may be on to something there. Isn't there sone research that says teenage brains aren't fully developed? I don't have children, but I remember my own teenage years. I knew everything & nothing, and I listened to no advice from anyone until I was well into my 20's.

@ChaCha.44 3 года назад

“Homicidal surprise parties” haha 😆 I seriously almost choked on my dinner! Always love your sarcasm and humor, Dr. Grande - but from now on... WARNING: NO food or drink while watching Dr. G videos! It might prove fatal! 😂

@mikkovaltonen3564 3 года назад

Case suggestion: the Snowtown murders in Australia and the main perpetrator John Bunting

@peterrichards5969 3 года назад

I've got a strong stomach and a pretty morbid curiosity but I tried watching an Aussie documentary about this crime and had to switch it off. Horrendous. Stories of torture and murder of learning disabled men was too much. I'd probably listen to a Dr Grande analysis of it though!

@mikkovaltonen3564 3 года назад

@@peterrichards5969 I'm very reserved about the death penalty, but those monsters should be put down like rabid animals, for the sake of public safety and to save govt resources.

@peterrichards5969 3 года назад

@@mikkovaltonen3564 I'm anti-death penalty, in all cases, but having struggled through those descriptions of what they did I'm forced to agree with you. I don't think the govt should do it though, but some aggrieved relative who is never caught. (I'm not sure what's happening to my moral compass, but its been a long week and I'm tired...)

@mikkovaltonen3564 3 года назад

@@peterrichards5969 I'm in favor of death penalty only under certain conditions - The crime is extremely heinous and destructive, such as serial homicide, genocide and terrorism - Evidence is overwhelming and/or the perpetrator is caught in the act - Forensic psychiatrists declare the person so dangerous that rehabilitation is not a realistic option and it's reasonable to expect them to kill again if released. All three of the criteria mentioned above have to be filled for death penalty to be considered. Execution methods shall not inflict physical pain on the prisoner, it's not the Code of Hammurabi after all. If there is ANY uncertainty about guilt, the death penalty option is off the table immediately.

@judepower4425 3 года назад

@@peterrichards5969 If that was recent on Australian TV, it's probably the same one I saw not long ago, except I didn't have the sense to turn it off and wish I had. I am fascinated with the concept of evil and why some people resort to it. I too would love to read Dr Grande's take on it

@jennj2049 3 года назад

Idk why it still surprises me you talk about all these things I know about, I didn't think this kinda stuff was your jam 😂 can't wait to hear your thoughts as always. Hope you're having a great day 💕

@zeegeeecs 3 года назад

Lol whut, why wouldn’t such a case be his jam 😆

@grayhatjen5924 3 года назад

I'm SO curious how familiar this case is to people. Thinking about it, I'm betting it's not as well known as some because it's a solved case. It's still an important one, though.

@jennj2049 3 года назад

@The Real Deal idk how I've not realized he has a podcast until now let alone a true crime one! Thank you for letting me know ❣️

@jennj2049 3 года назад

@@grayhatjen5924 yeah I didn't think it was very well known at all! 💕

@polarbearsrus6980 3 года назад

You have to remember, this was a different time. Rumors of a possible romantic relationship between two women (although they later denied it and I believe them) was considered shocking. We've come so far yet have so far to go... we can do it. Thanks for all you do to help us understand. You absolutely must have your own T.V. Series, I'm serious. Maybe even a kid's show to explain their feelings at an earlier age. Come on Doc, your voice alone is so relaxing, so soothing and strong!!!😎

@mrooz9065 3 года назад

We must Mr. Rogers but found Dr. Grande.

@spookyoctober 3 года назад

This story has always fascinated me. Heavenly Creatures is a great film. Glad you made this.

@franmellor9843 3 года назад

Reflections of the past was an interesting documentary on these two..and only 5yrs for the crime that still shocks

@clascaulfieldjr3653 3 года назад

Heavenly Creatures is such a great film. Highly recommend. Thanks, Dr. G.

@floratink 3 года назад

I just wanna say thank you for making videos. Always a pleasure, really enjoy your content 👍

@BP-jf9nb 3 года назад

Not a day goes by without watching Dr Grande's videos. Thank you Dr Grande for your excellent analysis

@EricPetersen2922 3 года назад

Wow, I never heard of this case and find it very interesting. Great analysis Dr.

@virginiacharlotte7007 3 года назад

Mira Hindley and Ian Brady and the Moors Murders next ??

@orelonsidney724 3 года назад

I canNOT believe he did this one. It was on my mind to request it, but hadn’t gotten round to it. Put “mind reader” on Dr. Grande’s CV

@jguenther3049 3 года назад

Okay, I'm thinking of a rude individual. Let's see if Dr. Grande picks up my vibrations and does him. Or her; it could be a her.

@zeegeeecs 3 года назад

Hello Dr. Great content once again. I was hoping you’d expand more on your thoughts on their lives after prison. Both on their short lived sentences, presumably due to their age, and speculate on what their current state of minds would be, especially for the woman who ended up becoming someone of value to society. Again, great content. Thanks!

@Megumi646 3 года назад

Hey, Dr. Grande. How about Shirley Turner? Dear Zachary is a haunting documentary.

@vsanchez7158 3 года назад

Lulukins, yes. This story was so tragic!

@Alfakkin 3 года назад

great idea, that crazy bitch...that documentary broke my heart, it really made me cry...poor baby Zachary

@Alfakkin 3 года назад

@@vsanchez7158 very sad indeed

@jamesw17 3 года назад

"her family would move to New Zealand..." Aaaaand there's your first mistake. Just kidding, NZ, you're awesome. ❤️ from 🇦🇺

@diane9247 3 года назад

Lol! You Strines crack me up. 😜

@JP-md8fp 3 года назад

We are awesome (even though I’m a kiwi in perth) 😆

@yellowrosek2146 3 года назад

James W .....Cheeky 🤣

@mrparlanejxtra 3 года назад

The place is overrun with nutjobs.

@jamesw17 3 года назад

@@JP-md8fp you're in Perth? Me too! To be honest, there's bugger all difference between Kiwis and Aussies.

@lynn2574 3 года назад

Thank you for reviewing this case!! I’ve requested it a couple times, so this made my day!

@davidmenke7552 3 года назад

Thank you for another great analysis Dr. Grande! And just a friendly reminder about doing an analysis of social media folks who film themselves making "reaction videos" and whether you think these folks are narcissistic or just plain self absorbed OR whether there's a marked difference between the two

@zeegeeecs 3 года назад

I am totally making a reaction video to this post.

@lisatsen1556 3 года назад

David Menke I'd been thinking about the reaction community but more specifically the Haydur circle of people that hates on certain RU-vidr... Is it for the money or something else? I can't fathom why people would invest so much time and energy to hate and spread hate on other. I would love to hear why.

@diane9247 3 года назад

I knew a family of mother and two sons who shared delusions and lived together until the mother died in her 80s. As far as I know, none of them killed anyone. One son was a creator of large, jaw-dropping "outsider art" paintings. He could have sold it through big galleries handling that kind of art, but never could commit to doing anything with it. All lived on the margins of what might be considered functional, and luckily the long-dead father had bought a house in the '50s. They had a perpetual Christmas tree covered in thick dust and ate mail-order steaks, candy and pies. I don't know what their diagnosis would be, now.

@gracelove5211 3 года назад

Am I the first to comment?! Yay!! Much respect to you Dr. Grande. Haven’t heard of this story but I’m sure it will be interesting. Please consider doing a video about the musician Prince. His onstage persona seems so different than how he really was. The man was a musical genius, but seemed to be shy.

@helenjohnson7583 3 года назад

Really excellent explanations of the psychological conditions! I’m struck by the similarities in behavior for “Folie à Deux” to a current criminal case in Idaho.

@waynejones7769 3 года назад

The dry humor is so spot on perfect lol

@AirForceFalcons_9922 3 года назад

Dr. Grande, you are the BEST!! The way you drop a one-liner out of nowhere and manage to keep a straight face cracks me up. I was so engrossed in the details of this case and I lost it when you said "Diary writing for future felons". I LOVE IT!! 😂😂😂😂

@mrooz9065 3 года назад

Super thanks for covering this case. On the side note, the only reason I’m going to watch the coming presidential debates, which is a toll on me, is to be able to listen to your analysis. Don’t disappoint Dr. Grande.

@mrs.reluctant4095 3 года назад

Thank you, doctor, for introducing us to this case. Impressed by the length of your literature list. I didn't know anything prior to your video about this case, but it interests me, and I'm glad to also have found a book written by Graham about these girls. Sometimes I like deepening my knowledge about specific cases that you present here and I like biographies in general, wether these are written about famous people, true crime cases or autobiographical ones written by people with mental disorders. So thank you again and I wish you a great day. 💚 🌞🍂🍁

@jamesb.9155 2 года назад

These in depth synopsis videos of historical crimes and the personalities of the perpetrators are often very fascinating!

@ms.annthropic6341 3 года назад

That surprise party comment had me dying! 😂🤣😂 Driest, funniest doctor out there!

@marthasalter405 3 года назад

Its been a couple of years since I found out Anne Perry was a murderer. I had read a couple of her books but now I just can't do it.

@sophroniel 3 года назад

Yay! I requested this! (I'm sure others did too). I went to the same high school, and we recreated scenes and got into trouble because it wasn't spoken about.

@Miss_Wonderful1 3 года назад

Due to the time difference, I always enjoy your videos while I'm having lunch. Thanks for keeping me company with such interesting analysis 😊

@gayle4s383 3 года назад

INTERESTING! Great speaker. Now, on to your other videos.

@LosseB 3 года назад

I now know the lack of fruit is the real deterrent for prison. Good grief.

@ethorii 3 года назад

And you can't even get a good cup of coffee for Pete's sake

@auntielaura5 3 года назад

Taika Don’t forget the lack of books - that would be a real deterrent to me. 😆

@judepower4425 3 года назад

@@auntielaura5 And me

@KarkatVantasBitches 3 года назад

"Prison was awful because there was no fruit, and no libraries." Pure torture. Absolute hell.

@lightseeker134 3 года назад

I enjoyed all the humour woven throughout this fascinating and detailed case analysis that had so many interesting aspects. It was not only a very thought provoking video but one of my favourites, in part, because I can't quite bend my mind around it!

@dan2569 3 года назад

Thanks Todd. I have been watching your videos since the start of my Psychology degree and I am approaching the end of my 4th year just now - you have been super helpful (the SPSS videos are very user friendly).

@trishasword 3 года назад

This story is so fascinating to me. Love your videos!

@queenmarynovelwriter5397 3 года назад

Sounds like me and my best friend, we've known each other 50 years and counting. Strange how some people bloom with a friend like that and some wither .

@GenXfrom75 3 года назад

I first heard of this case when I watched the movie "Heavenly Creatures," because I was a big Kate Winslet fan. This idea of Folie a Deux is fascinating!

@possumaintdead 3 года назад

“Polite Homicide” sounds like the title of a mystery novel with Miss Manners as the detective! Interesting delusions this pair had. Great presentation, thanks!

@genevievemead6792 3 года назад

Fascinating and concerning what ideas, thoughts and delusions can be transferred from one person to another. Thank you for another great video.

@Tabris93 3 года назад

Thank you, I've been hoping you would do this for months, you made my day! I find this case incredibly interesting. For those that do not know, a very good movie was made about this case called Heavenly Creatures. Directed by Peter Jackson and introducing Kate Winslet. There is also a documentary about Anne Perry called Interiors, and a biography about her.

@KrisJustus 3 года назад

This case is one of the most intriguing I've ever heard of. It's wild to see two girls from their era basically doing the kind of text-based RP that teens do today online, but via actual mail.

@cupspoon3182 3 года назад

Gunna hit 500k soon big doc!

@janbaldwin1189 3 года назад

I am, actually, a fan of Anne Perry's books - detective/ mystery books set in the Victorian era. She is very well known and popular in the mystery genre. I was aware that she and a friend participated in the murder of the friend's mother but was not aware of the details. Apparently Anne Perry lives in Scotland. Will I continue to read her stories, yes but perhaps I will look at them a little differently than before. Interesting case.

@cottontails9003 3 года назад

Dr Grande I loved the term Folie a'Deux it sounds like when two people are engaged in sex Your analysis of these two was extremely interesting Dr Grande you have the best channel on RU-vid and you are also the best

@sycamoresally5643 3 года назад

I really enjoy Anne Perry’s books.

@polly6336 3 года назад

Thanks for this, Dr. Grande, another very interesting analysis. Next, _please_ can you analyse the Joel Guy Jr. case? His trial is just finishing (jury deliberating). A lot of us watching the trial are wondering about his mental health/ personality, and why his Defence team didn't even attempt to plead insanity or reduced capacity. My own opinion is that he's simply a narcissistic psychopath, but would love to hear your opinion.

@JasonSmith-se1jg 3 года назад

Another KILLER episode😊Thanks Dr Grande!!

@newgrandma979 3 года назад

Friendships are an interesting thing. Thank you for the reading.

@jameswaysayquom9237 3 года назад

Hey doc, great video. love the way you shine your light on all angles of the subject. I’m learning. I had to edit this post because I saw I misspelled a word. Now I don’t see your reaction. Sorry doc

@michaelevans580 3 года назад

I wish you'd diagnose some of the people who make comments about your videos for any mental disorders they may have, with the exception of myself of course.

@therasilvi 3 года назад

That sounds pretty irresponsible and I get the impression the doctor is wiser than that.

@anne-elizabethmcgeary1023 3 года назад

Very unkind comment.

@angelahamon6730 3 года назад

Fascinating as always. Both of these women are still alive and Juliet is a published fiction author. She's a Mormon who claims the relationship was not romantic, which strikes me as fiction required for membership. I'm only speculating on what a Mormon would be expected to say, in cases like this.

@sean.furlong1989 Год назад

Juliet died on April 10th 2023.

@bloodgrog 3 года назад

Hi Dr. Grande, I really enjoy your content! Thank you for the insight that you share. On the topic of folie à deux, I ask that you consider doing a video about the case involving Joseph McEnroe and Michele Anderson, also known as the "Carnation Murders". I would be enthused to hear your thoughts about it.

@mikelobrien 3 года назад

Another great discussion, Dr. Grande. After thinking about Folie a Deux, it's way too narrow a "psychotic disorder" to continue to be considered. There are far too many influences these days that influence people. These women were obviously in there own little fantasy world when they were teens, but adding the "actress" and "supernatural world" component really takes it to a popular media cultural level. Perhaps that's why their sentences were so short.