@@cindywelch2108 Yeah, but you know if the 90s had Reality TV like they do now, they might be Better then the 2000s, and Today. Like THE REAL WORLD was a bit Decent, even though I didn't watch all the time, but there was something about the Style of the Time back then, even going back to the 80s. I just think we make the Worst Decisions nowadays.
The "don't get along" is such bs the industry was selling... And I'm happy it's no longer working. There are videos of Eddie and Kurt talking and dancing, Dave gave Eddie the CD of what was later the first FF album long before it was released etc etc. Man these guys have been through so many tragic losses
Fans of both bands are like little kids who want to be coddled into thinking everyone in Seattle were best friends. Who cares if they got along? The industry didn't create the animosity between Nirvana and Pearl Jam, Kurt Cobain told multiple reporters (on tape) that Pearl Jam sucks and that they are posers. In the following years, Kurt made a point of saying that he has spoken and interacted with Eddie Vedder and that Eddie was a super nice person... but he added the caveat that he still hated Pearl Jam as a band lol Kurt viewed Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains as bands the record industry was using to capitalize on Nirvana's success. When Nirvana was making Bleach in the 80s, Pearl Jam was in a glam metal band called Mother Love Bone and AIC was also in a glam metal band called Diamond Lie/Alice N' Chains and none of their music sounded anything like it did on their later albums. Those bands started dressing like the Sub Pop punk bands and tuning down their guitars and Kurt Cobain resented that and thought it was inauthentic, that's where the "fake underground posers" quote comes from. Im not saying he's right or wrong but that's how he felt at the time.
I think there was rift at first. He was able to separate the art from the decent cool person Eddie actually was. Just because you don't like someone's art doesn't mean you have to also dislike the artist as a person. They were mature about it, and it was nothing.
@@NK-bz9wb I totally agree with that characterization. All of the Seattle guys all got along and there was no serious beef or anything. Kurt Cobain was mature enough to realize the same kids that liked his band probably liked those other bands too. The thing that annoys me personally is the fandom around "grunge" and sometimes music in general. Modern fans have this idea that Soundgarden, Nirvana, AIC, and Pearl Jam were this "Big 4" of this new musical genre and that those bands started a musical genre together. The reality is that while there are small elements of truth in that, that's not how the many of the people who were actually involved saw it. There was a side of the Seattle scene that definitely was like a brotherhood and where they liked and supported each others bands. The Temple of the Dog/MLB/PJ/Soundgarden clique was one thing and those guys knew the Alice guys and played gigs together growing up. They were tuned down heavy guitars with a bluesy spin. There was also another separate scene in Seattle that was more punk rock based that included bands like Mudhoney, Tad, The Melvins, Nirvana and those guys. There was obviously some crossover between these two somewhat separate scenes, everyone in Seattle liked and respected Soundgarden.. also Jeff Ament played in Green River for a time which was a pretty punk-centric band.
Death is a strange thing. There was a girl at my high school that died, this was probably 3 or 4 years ago. Me and her never spoke, we were never friends, but something like that can still affect you. It's eerie to know that one day you can see someone alive and well, walking past you in the hallways like everyone else. But then the next day they're just gone. They'll never walk those hallways again.
@@jeffbenzos6344 well yeah but it sometimes seems like what’s the point of life then if we’ll all die someday and nothing will matter anymore . I hope there is life after death, like the whole 9 lives thing
@@jeffbenzos6344 It amazes me how many people have no empathy or understanding that while death is a part of life, it still tears the familiar from the world around you little by and little and even having that happen once can leave one feeling more alone and empty. It's almost like people are connected, and the energy that maintains is perilous and any disturbance can have a ripple effect.
*It's always good to hear these people react sincerely to the lives of their peers. It's interesting, too* *PS: I also liked Krist's little snippet in homage to Lionel Ritchie at the end*
"The obscurity of Seattle" - holy shit, wat?? Queensryche, Heart, fucking Jimi Hendrix...Seattle may not have been LA, but it wasn't exactly obscure before Nirvana hit.
Jimi had to go to England for people to care about him. Nobody thinks of him as being from Seattle. Jimi is from another planet. He came down to earth to teach us how to love and listen.
@@SinclairMoon Man,dont shame yourself like that...go back to your Harry Potter dolls and keep playing...and remember google is your friend- it helps you look smart even if you are clueless.
GenXers ..... we had it good 😌 I’ve tried to give my kids at least a taste of the 90’s lifestyle..... just the damn internet INTERferes. 😉 #GenerationX #Nirvana #KurtCobain #JusticeForKurt
@@chateaupig826 exactly. This was pre internet. Most people in the United States outside LA and NYC didn’t have access to underground radio stations. Most radio stations wouldn’t even play NWA. It wasn’t until the chronic that it began to hit a wider audience. Shit took time back then!
The news and the media wanted so bad for them to all hate each other. Kurt and Eddie liked each other a lot. They even talked on the phone. There was no feud. Kurt and Eddie both said themselves that there was no feud going on.
Cobain openly expressed he didn’t care much for Pearl Jam’s music. I believe, at one point, he referred to their songs as ‘false music’ and the band itself as a fusion of “alternative” (which meant something at the time) and “cock rock.” However, Kurt did say he liked them and that they were “nice guys” but just didn’t care for their music. It’s also important to keep in mind that a depressed addict can be moody and say things off the cuff, and be cruel. I’m not saying that’s what happened, because Cobain made it clear he did not like Pearl Jam’s music.
Kurt was a narcissist. "False music" -lol the audacity 🤣 A narcissist with a band name that signifies the complete opposite of being a narcissist and he called other music "false music." Textbook projection 🤣
@@little.bear344 it’s called having an opinion on a band lmao chill out. Pear jam is one of my favourite bands and it doesn’t bother me when someone else has a different opinion
To put it into proper perspective, Jeff was a deeper part of the Seattle scene than Kurt and Krist. He had already lost Andy. I guarantee Jeff 2022 would be able to answer it better. These relationships, just like yours, are not soundbites.
The thing that people online don’t grasp is that there wasn’t one single “Seattle scene” there were multiple. Kurt Cobain wasn’t friends with the Pearl Jam guys and they didn’t come up playing shows together. The media lumps them all together to sell magazines. Jeff mentioned being around Mudhoney at a time like this was challenging. He's referencing the fact that Mudhoney and Nirvana did come from the same scene/inner circle in Seattle. Kurt and Mudhoney were in the same clique with Tad and Melvins and others more punk-centered bands.. the Temple of the Dog guys had their own clique. Alice in chains was a glam metal band who started wearing flannels and hoped no one would notice, Kurt Cobain didn't know those guys either. The media and fans just assume these guys are from the same city so they must all be best friends.
@@waynetables6414 Exactly. Nirvana sound has nothing in comon with Jam Garden or Chains Nirvana is a unique very much experimental sound alien unsettling melodies and rhythms the others have a very conventional rhythm and musical scale
@@marijandesin8226 To that sarcasm nuke you just dropped I would say this - Nirvana made commercially palatable punk rock for the masses. They were louder and more abrasive version of New Wave... They're in the same lineage as bands like Gang of Four, the Buzzcocks, Devo, the Pixies, and the Wipers etc.. They didn't invent anything new musically, what they did do is make alternative music the new mainstream. Those other bands are none of those things and did none of those things. Alex in Trains and Pearl Harbor were solid bands though
It's a strange thing, going back so long ago and knowing today that it would not be just Kurt. I mean, fuck, we've lost so many great musicians since Kurt......Kurt, Layne, Shannon, Scott, Chris, Chester and Taylor just recently. I just dont understand why this happens so much. I don't believe in God, but I hope that when day comes that I finally become worm food, I hope I wake up to find myself sitting in the front row of the greatest concert ever!
Judging by what they show on MTV these days, I don't think there's anyone out there anymore who has enough brain cells to even be able to compute what you're saying, let alone correct the typo you spotted.
@@joelstoppa he did want fame, he signed with a big record label and he recorded a pop album, Nevermind. His problem were drugs and depression and fame doesn't solve these kind of problems.
Fans of both bands are like little kids who want to be coddled into thinking everyone in Seattle were best friends. Who cares if they got along? The industry didn't create the animosity between Nirvana and Pearl Jam, Kurt Cobain told multiple reporters (on tape) that Pearl Jam sucks and that they are posers. In the following years, Kurt made a point of saying that he has spoken and interacted with Eddie Vedder and that Eddie was a super nice person... but he added the caveat that he still hated Pearl Jam as a band lol Kurt viewed Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains as bands the record industry was using to capitalize on Nirvana's success. When Nirvana was making Bleach in the 80s, half of Pearl Jam was in a glam metal band called Mother Love Bone and AIC was also in a glam metal band called Diamond Lie/Alice N' Chains and none of their music sounded anything like it did on their later albums. Those bands started dressing like the Sub Pop punk bands and tuning down their guitars and Kurt Cobain resented that and thought it was inauthentic, that's where the "fake underground posers" quote comes from. Im not saying he's right or wrong but that's how he felt at the time.
*Jeff and Stone were in Mother Love Bone, not the other 3 from PJ. And I would't call MLB just "glam", altough they for sure used the aesthetic. Apple is an amazing alt rock album. *Just Layne was in Alice N Chains, which was a completely different band from AiC. Layne just 'kept' the name when he joined Kinney, Inez and Cantrell. I am not an expert, but with such a different lineup and Cantrell beeing the writer that he is, the change in sound is not strange or suspicious at all. They may have borrowed some of the aesthetics from Soundgarden, Nirvana and the rest of the "grunge" bands but truth is those two, Pearl Jam and AiC have each their own sound. Similarities are hard to avoid when you are literaly in the middle of a new wave of music and the media is pushing to create a "new genre"
I love Nirvana and Kurt but that is such a stupid fucking reason, Ten came out before Nevermind and AiC is still considered by many to not even be grunge since they have such a different sound from the other bands from the movement
For real I would have liked if they were open with their beefing with each other. Like they do in the east coast vs west coast rap scene or like metallica vs megadeth
@@GerM_tbo -MLB was a glam band. Calling Chloe Dancer or any of that kind of music "grunge" or even alternative is wrong to me because if they weren't from Seattle, no one would call that alternative. If Guns N' Roses put out the same album MLB did, no one would be saying it's an alternative album. This is the problem with using "grunge" as a genre.. because in reality, "grunge" just means a group of certain bands from Seattle area in the late 80s/early 90s. Bands that weren't from Seattle and/or weren't around at that time aren't called "grunge" bands even if they sound exactly like some of the bands that are.. it's completely arbitrary, but it has nothing to do with the actual music. -You are correct that there are multiple different Alice n chains and that Layne Staley was in a previous iteration that has nothing to do with the current Alice in chains. But the current iteration of Alice in Chains used to be called Diamond Lie and had the four AIC members in it and they were a glam band as well. Go look up Diamond Lie/alice in chains 1988. They were very insecure about this in the years that followed and they don't talk about it a lot even still, which is lame, just own it.. bands change up their image all the time, there's nothing wrong with that. Of course Pearl Jam and Alice in chains have their own sounds, thats actually my point. The word "grunge" is used to describe bands with entirely different and contrasting styles and musical sensibilities. That's the issue I have with using that word as a genre in the first place.. it's a movement, not a musical genre. The album Ten sounds nothing like Nirvana. The interesting thing about Pearl Jam though is that it's very obvious they were influenced by Kurt Cobain and Nirvana after Ten because they have said so in interviews and actually agreed with Cobain's critique of the band in the early years. When Vitology came out in 1994, they had a much more raw and punk sound with a lot of loud/quite/loud dynamics and feedback. The song Not for You comes to mind. Pearl Jam started to sound a lot more like the type of music Kurt Cobain liked in the albums that came out after Ten and after Kurt died.. it would have been interesting to know what Cobain thought of the direction Pearl Jam went it.
@@waynetables6414 Oh I completely agree on the "grunge" thing. I used the term "alt rock" as a wide concept cause I found "glam" to be too narrow to describe MLB... But now that I think about it, yes, they were mostly glam. It then might be my favourite glam album ever 😂. One thing's for sure, I would never call them a grunge band. I too understand grunge to be a movement and not a genre. As you point out, they mostly knew and influenced each other. I do believe however that in most cases members of different bands were friends. Didn't know about glam AiC tho 😂. Thx for the info, I'm gonna look it up. And I might be a bit biased in all this: Pearl Jam is my favourite band and both AiC and Soundgarden are in my top 5 bands. I do like Nirvana, but not nearly as much.
I had a pet goanna that climbed onto my wardrobe. It went right up to the top and I had the door ajar. My goanna scrawled it's way to the end of the door.. then decided it didn't want to be here and fucking jumped
Probably the best thing for Grohl who then formed Foo Fighters. If Kurt lived he would have become a long lasting druggie pain in the ass who was hard to deal with and stunted Dave's growth...
@@ivylearog All I am saying was Foo Fighters were the best thing for Dave to branch out.(Queens of the stone age as well) Kurt was a complete drugged out mess...in his 20s.
he didn't like their band because they terrified him with their talent and endurance - everyone in pj was at the top of their game from the start - the band has played over 1,000 live shows FFS
He didn't like them because Kurt was completely competitive and his slacker and laid back behavior in public was fooling people and it still does to this day. Kurt was competitive as fuck and there is a good reason why there was a bad chemistry between him, Axl Rose and Vedder. It's not like that it was hard to have bad vibes with Axl at that time, but the root of the problem in his case is that both of those figures were at that time from 2 other top rock bands which was hitting his ego.
Yeah, depressed drug addict with a hateful girlfriend and generally tells people to f off all at the same time creating a massive grunge scene with music to live for the ages. Blows his head off.....the end. Oh ya and lets base this on a true story by adding a ton of untrue events. Sounds like a blockbuster.
wat you Montage of heck then watch Soaked in bleach. Soaked in bleach is a documentary surrounding the days up to his death and his death. Tom grant private investigator/ex cop also they got the Dr's the police chief at the time of his death and alot of legit people saying he was killed and the case needs to be opened again. it's really interesting. Montage of heck is a doc that has kurt original drawings paintings stories has his family and friends talking about him and it shows his life from a baby till the end... there is a video of Kurt when he was like 3 or 4 with a guitar singing hey Jude and also his mom or someone asking "who are you?....I'm Kurt Cobain" and that still gives me chills hearing those words from a toddler kurt. he was a good dude just had mental health issues like alot of us do...I feel the man...the being worshipped and famous just wasn't for him. he was planning on divorcing Courtney and wanted a break from touring. he was actually starting to get better but something fishy happen. just watch both documentary then come back and lmk what you think.
Suicide. Shotgun blast to the mouth. I'm 37 and I remember that day. I was super young and innocent and I didn't know suicide was a thing until kurt did that. Super sad. You can be in the biggest band in the world and still feel small
@@eliciabrudigam4729 also a theory idk if it was confirmed but at the time he shot himself he had taken enough heroine to kill himself several times over.
Courtney once said she wanted to date ether Kurt or Axl because she liked their noses. To think, Kurt possibly was driven to the brink of sanity all because he had a nice nose.
@@markosparagna That's not really fair. He said he used because he had stomach pains that couldn't never seem to be resolved by medical treatment. Phil Anselmo said the same thing about his back. Larry Flynt about his back pain as well after he was paralyzed. Phil and Larry though both were able to be successfully treated eventually however and they both kicked the habit afterword. Sucks Kurt never got his chance at that.
who gives a fuck, you live this world for yourself, not to please other people. if someone wants to die, then can choose for themselves. fucking hate when people make other peoples problems about themselves. Besides how can he be selfish when the note stated his family would be better of without him?
Watch the documentary Bleach. The lethal amount of heroin he Injected would of prevented him from using the shotgun. Totally believe Courtney Love killed him since she tried to hire one hitman before.
If you either kept watching the video, or knew anything about Kurt Cobain, you’d see that the news was talking about how he had tried to kill himself a month earlier by overdosing, but his actual suicide was by a gunshot.
@@wyattbrining4875 it wasn't a suicide and those overdoses were on accident everyone around him has confirmed that. Courtney Love is the only one who has been pushing this bs about him being suicidal. She's been caught multiple times lying and changing her story.
@@rc59191 i cant recall a time before or since, where a famous figure committed suicide, and their spouse read a “suicide note” on tv within days. Im skeptical. She had too much to gain… and her driving the narrative… idk… doesnt pass the smell test
@@adrock1011 exactly and not to mention we know for a fact she tried to hire a hitman not long before Kurt died. Dude even passed a polygraph test which adds even more credibility to the theory. Also the Private Investigator she hired wouldn't risk his life and reputation plus getting sued if he had any doubts that she didn't do it.
@@VanishedPNW I don't know when Francis came into his life he was a pretty happy father just too bad he was stuck with a hole for a wife and in her eyes he was worth more dead than alive and yes he was going to divorce her😏👌🍻
@@blackpilledchad1927 she was a cunt and don't be a a crayon eater that baby man a lot to him he could see it in his eyes he was a proud father but his wife was a drug addict whore and he wanted to get away from it maybe you should check on the past histories of his daughter and her mother and her mother's drug problems when she end up living with her grandmother I don't mean to be rude to you but he had enough drugs in his system I'm pretty sure he wasn't capable another picking up a damn shotgun but what your belief is is another story from somebody else to believe but I call bullshit another father I can see it in his eyes he one of the world for his daughter and Courtney the hole new it and her meal ticket is about to expire also would you want a wife like that around your only child they brought into this world coming from a shit hole my self my bad😏 I just live up the road from Aberdeen I know where it came from hey Courtney killed him and the government excuse me the law enforcement box the investigation that is on documentary😏👌🍻
