Penn Badgley breaks down You season four's ending and major twist 

Forget about Nadia he killed that college boy like is nothing , I can't see joe the same way anymore , if there is a season 5 I find it hard to believe the writers are gonna make Joe likeable again, it was the heart of the appeal of the show , how we go and watch this guy who did bad things but we found ourselves rooting for him .

@@brendacastillo8146 to be honest i never watched the show with those eyes, so maybe i can offer you a perspective that’ll make season 5 enjoyable in a different way. I never liked joe as a person, but i was fascinated by how able he was to lie to himself (the most obvious time was when he was insulting Peach for spying on Beck while doing the exact same thing) and what really made the show for me was trying to understand how much of his moral compass was actual morality and how much was necessity to prove to himself he was good (in season 2 he calls the “real will” that had in a cage for a month and then freed and actually says to himself “see proof that i can be good and free people”). In season five he has accepted he is a bad person so we’ll get to see who he is really, what part of that moral still exists and what part was bs. I don’t think it was ever about making him likeable, i think it was always about showing how you can believe you’re a good person while acting the complete opposite, how killers, but also normal people, rationalise the bad things they do and how everyone always believes to be the hero of the story, even the villains

​@@nadiadipaola9836 Samee. I got hooked because of the absurdity. I wanted to know how delusional Joe can be to always make himself a good guy

Nadia is my favorite character this season, so I was really angry and disgusted by that end, it's was really good but I was hoping Joe would finally get some punishment for all he has done to some many people.

@@rmcastro99 maybe in season 5?

The made us wait for it but it was worth it 100%

I think I agree. It’s definitely UP THERE. Lots of twists and turns ups and downs I loved it.

It had a rough start. Like now in full context. The first half Makes a lot more sense. But it still feels like it drags sometimes, but holy shit. This second half. This is YOU. Having me at the edge of my seat, and constantly throwing things I never expect. I loved it.

Nah, I think Season 4 was good but Season 2 was still the best. But looking forward to Season 5, hopefully Ellie eyeballs can come back 🤞🏾

Bro if I see this copied comment one more time

Lmfao Joe: I've killed people (people, as in plural not singular) Kate: I love you too Me: 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

@@clemz9013 😂😂😂

i mean it’s just a show so i still love him cuz he’s not real. if he was then it’d be a different story

@@clemz9013 i wan a see a vid talking ab this bc whatttt. kate jus don’t question it, like does she know everything now i’m so confused 💀

@Hailey Brown ~spoilerish~ You still love the character after seeing what he did to Marienne? After the way he mercilessly betrayed Nadia or tortured Rhys? His coldness, his craziness, the violence!Oh hell no! He is a sick twisted villain I'm ready for them to either arrest him or off him. I'm ready for a resolution NOW! 😂

It's up to a victim to help get Nadia out of jail? Are you insane. She said no cops!

Lol shame Nadia 🤣

She should have stayed in her lane

@@jennaywilliams7664 they said i hope, not that it was up to her. nadia saved marriennes life & marrienne herself said she didn’t have to. & ppl feel for nadia so naturually they hope marrienne will help her too. but at the end of the day she shouldn’t she should stay wit her kid. & stay safe away from joe or anything that has to do wit him.

@@zeuscharger17 No she shouldn’t have. 🙄 Joe needs to be punished.

i think it had to do with compromising marienne from seing her daughter since she would have to stay in london for the declaration and the legal procedures and stuff AND see joe throughout all of it

@@miacmiacmia yeah

​@@miacmiacmia good point

Dude cops drag situations out way too much. Joe has crazy amounts of connections and he would’ve had time to get away with something. At first I was taken aback with that decision but considering Marienne’s situation and Joe’s tendencies it made sense

Yeah I felt the same, but like Marienne mentioned: he always finds a way to escape. Which, at first, I thought that it sounded like a bit of a stretch. but when the season ends with Joe having all of Kate's resources, his entire story gets re-written publicly and he can get away with all the murders he has ever committed or will commit in the future. It's really sick, but if he had let Marienne go, him and the Lockwood people would probably end up silencing her by death or by blackmailing. He WOULD find her again and she would either end up dead, or just never free from him for the rest of her life with a constant threat luring around the corner. Even though it sounded quite dumb, it did end up being true: the only way for Marienne to truly escape Joe, was by killing him or by "killing" herself.

Nope at least what articles said

@@JoannaEve damn man i really wanna know 😩

He said he forgot

@@Fr_g I don’t accept that lol

@@kirathelightworker be genuinely have forgot that remember he was already dissociating as Rhys Montrose at that time.

Completely disagree. I want another season where Joe gets caught or killed for all the evil things he has done, and all of his victims that have been left behind are vindicated. Maybe even a spin off where Paco is grown up and following in Joe's footsteps...

You don't want another season? So what the show accomplished was showing how an insane murderer becomes an even more ruthless psychopath PLUS husband of the mightiest woman alive! Oh hell no.

@@99xara99 i like when shows dont have this predictable ”happy” ending, which is why i think the season 4 ending is good because it is dark and not predictable which is refreshing. However i love the series so i want more seasons obviously. But i hope it does not end with him being caught since that would be so obvious.

You are confusing something, she also like Joe lied to herself believing she is a good person but ultimately in the end like Joe accepted her dark side. She got with Joe because they are the same.

@@user-gd8xl8oj2zI don’t understand how Kate has a dark side. I mean Ik what she did to the kids but that was a long time ago and she was only a teen. Joe has been going on for years.

@@pde8444 I think they mean when Kate accepts her dads money.

the killer that kills rich people appears he is rich himself that does not make sense

Exactly

I think it is assumed that Joe doesn't tell her everything. He only gives her a glimpse of what he did. AND I think because she is soooo obsessed in the bad things she has done, she accepts what Joe has done.

It makes sense actually. Her whole character development is guided by Joe. Joe embracing his dark side instead of pushing it away inspires her to do the same. They both are bad people. Before, while trying to do good, both reject that negative part of their character, which makes them feel guilt. Now after Joe’s suicide, they are still trying to do good, but has accept that they are terrible people regardless, and that is ok for them. That’s why Kate still love Joe.

I’m assuming Joe tells her what he’s done in a way that shines him in the best light. He has a way of rationalizing what he’s done and what he continues to do. And speaking from experience, it’s easy to look past what someone has done when you have only ever seen the best parts of them. Subconsciously you try to reason why they might do such a thing and why what they’ve done doesn’t define them

@@tannyocean9984 There's a distinct possibility that Kate is manipulating Joe, I think. Like, I think that's gotta be where they are going in some ways I think, a woman is going to be able to control *him*, not the other way around.

maybe it was part of the role as Joe. Or he's just really linguistically talented. or he reads a lot. You certainly can't learn that from the scripts alone :)

Yes. What surprised me most was that it was predictable for the most part, but done so well. They left so many clues. The denial, the psychological confrontation, and the switch in perspective were just so good. Surely it wasn’t perfect, but it was great enough that I was on the edge of my seat.

That's why I wish he actually died and that was the end of the show. It would have been the first real time we've seen real character development from him.

It really is way more self reflection and self-awareness than he has ever had before. I agree. I think Penn is kinda referring to the fact that Joe hasn't REALLY internalized the fact that he's a monster. He's starting to get it on the surface level but he still hasn't fully accepted that part of himself

Bro that’s literally what Penn just said

@@sammellichampe3901 penn said joe still isn’t self reflective in this scene I disagree

i think the point he’s trying to make is he not killing himself because he finally realizes he is a monster that the world would be better off without, but because he has to “protect” kate. ultimately denying the monster and still portraying himself as the white knight. he self reflects, yes, but his denial paints a different picture.

Nadia and Edward are not kids; they are students in college/university that will make them at least 19-20yo. Both of them acted foolish; trying to outsmart a serial criminal, completely ignoring Marienne's several warnings. When you play with fire you get burned. Simply as that.

Joe didn’t protect Nadia

And Nadia was a kid like underage like the rest. She’s an adult.

I agree!! Between the private investigator from Peach’s family and the Quinn family who now know that Joe is still alive, it’s only a matter of time before he eventually gets caught. Not to mention, Joe isn’t planning to stop killing people and Kate is only going to enable him by covering them up .

I'm hoping season 5 is all about getting what he deserves

Nigga killed like 8 ppl this season, literally his highest body count ever. Even though on the flipside, this is the only season where he only has sex with one woman, 🤔

I love this show but I was actually like excited for him to die. And let that be it.

@@bypugs I think the end was dark, and the next season is going to be an even darker mess, since he accepted the fact, that he is indeed not a good person. And now he has power and already said himself, killing did only get easier. Very interesting, people liked his character through the season, but maybe we're going to see his the series changing to an anti-joe tone with a final end for him.

yes the emptiness was very terrifying and disturbing

i guess that was what they were saving the cgi budget for

What do you mean? Are you saying that scene at the end where he shaved and cut his hair is fake?

I'm glad he didn't😂 He looks like a Greek god

@@Nicryn he did

@@joshuabigelow3328 bruh

You’re missing the point that there is NOT a “good joe”. Joe is going through full blown psychosis and the “good joe” you’re talking about it still a killer and he merely tries to convince himself he kills for good reason.. when no… nobody he kills ever deserves to die period. He compartmentalizes and they were showing us, the viewers, the way he compartmentalized as “good joe” is what they’ve always shown us. Now we see the part of his psyche that is genuinely just a serial killer. He is mentally ill and he does a good job of convincing himself which is exactly why he’s doing a convincing job of you and other viewers thinking there’s a “good joe”. There simply is not and you finally see that in season 4.

@@sofia1936 that's matter of opinion not fact. The "good Joe" isn't a serial killer he always tries to help and be better. I'm not saying he's not a killer but I am saying theres clear moral boundaries in the good Joe's mind. He only kills to protect the ones he loves (which I could argue that alot of people would do the same, like a parent if someone harms their child) and the bad joe is heartless, he has no moral boundaries and one could even say he's truly evil. That's the contrast in characters I was talking about

it was never a “good vs evil” joe battle, joe has always been in DENIAL of what he was since the beginning, that denial brewed what rhys is. the “good joe” you talk about is the same one that had a box of beck’s used tampons, the same one that killed the college kid from s3- i could go on. he didn’t lose a fight of good vs evil because he was never good. it’s more like “in denial vs self aware” joe.

@@69daygrind this is still giving him too much weight bc it separates his good and bad, when in reality there are no sides. it's all him and they all coexist in one man. good joe isn't really good bc he is still bad joe and they worked their ass off this season to prove that to everyone

i hope ellie has kept tabs on joe & is planning to help nadia while also taking him out

He merged with his bad side

Well he saves Roalds life and if I’m Roald I wanna stay as far away from the dude I tried hunting with a shotgun who turned out to save me lmao

Maybe Joe will be taken down at some point but the message is about this type of "Joe" exist in the world everywhere. The season 3 ending with Joe walking out and blending in the crowd - a quite fitting reminisce and tribute to the ending of The Silence of The Lambs where Hannibal [Anthony Hopkins] walk nonchalantly stalking his prey.. -, only shows that we all prone to believing our own stories, as distorted from reality they might be. People don't believe in facts, they believe in what they want to believe. And that is what Joe knows very well.

Because she is like him. Similar to Love (season 2-3); only Kate is more cunning, very sharp and collected and way smarter. She [Kate] will end up in the box where it all started for Joe when he was a kid; in the basement of the old library he bought with no other than Kate's her own money.. It will be quite fitting her money will be her own demise as a payback for the suffering she caused in the past. We all pay the dues sooner or later. Or someone we love will.