Pentecostal vs Charismatic: 5 Differences 

Grateful for my early years as a Pentecostal. For one reason especially. The evil of eternal security was taught. Repentance was important. For that they will always have my respect.

Appreciate your loving and ecumenical spirit. Comments, like yours, renew my faith in the success of the Christian community!

Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.

@@mynameis......23 You realize we have a coherent and logical answer for every single verse you put here?

@@mynameis......23 : Catholics have been hearing these same, tired old arguments for years, time after time. Yes, there is a clear explanation for each one. Do you really want to know it?

Joshua has identified himself more than once as a Fundamental Baptist Temple Christian. Yes, admirable that he just reports the facts, knowing where he stands.

Josh does a superb job of being unbiassed. I have watched a lot of his videos, & I still have no clue what his own Church affiliation is.

agreed, it kind of bugs me, when Christian channels apologize for using Christian vernacular. It should be the expectation. It would be wierd if a finance channel apologized for using words like "dividends" and such

I grew up in an evangelical church and have moved though several denominations in my faith journey. Whatever your theology or denomination I hope you have retained your basic Christian faith. Thanks for your comment.

You may be comfortable in denominations like The Church of the Nazarene or The Wesleyan Church. These do not practice tongues, avoid the emotionalism you're talking about, yet mirror all other points of teaching that Pentecostals embrace. This is why my wife and I started going to a Nazarene church a few years ago.

@@jeanenviedapprendre It’s funny that you mentioned specifically those two because I’m actually now a Methodist.

@@cybercrash7 Glad you found a good place to worship brother! Be what your church needs, even if things seem to go south someday.

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Can you be 'unborn'? Peter 1:5 We are kept by the power of God. There is no greater power!

*LOVE* Jack Hayford. 👍

@@elmerfudd1883yes becuz ur not born Ur saved It’s LIKE a birth It’s def not a birth, it’s a metaphor One of the meanings Strong’s gives is delivered of. For demon deliverance they can def come back. Worse than the first time the Bible says!

@@YeshuaKingMessiah John 3:3 Jesus answered Nicodemus: Surely I say to you, "Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he CANNOT see the kingdom of God. NO EXCEPTIONS!

“If you could lose you salvation, you would” - a wise man and humble man

Thanks for letting me know, glad to have you as a viewer!

​@ReadyToHarvest please do a video on Witness Lee's Local Church

Most Charismatic churches aren't like that. Most are non denominational and certainly have their flaws, but that church sounds like a one- off.

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As a Pentecostal, I say thank you for what you said. However, I can't agree with you on Calvary Chapel. They are very much like the charismatic church you described. Their founder, Chuck Smith, split from the Four Square church and was exactly as you described.

Sounds like you visited a New Apostolic Reformation-type church. They're into Apostles (authoritarian rulers above accountability) and Prophets (those receiving direct revelation from God) ... check out the book Counterfeit Kingdom.

@@nathanwatson1915 The NAR has infected virtually all types of Charismatic and Pentecostal churches. I can definitely see their influence in Vineyard and AoG churches in my area.

Pentecostal aren't as prone to "get rich quick by sending me money" as Charismanaic churches are.

Pentecostals believe in Jesus Name baptism Acts 2:38 and Charismatics follow the false trinitarian doctrine that the catholic church and pagans made up in the 2nd century when they started baptizing people in titles father son holy spirit instead of in the Name of Jesus Oneness Pentecostals follow the Apostles Doctrine charismatics don't Oneness Pentecostals believe in the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues I'm not sure about the charismatics Oneness Pentecostals believe in the 5 fold ministry and the gifts of the Spirit and I'm not sure about charismatics Oneness Pentecostals believe in living holy and righteous different from the world by the way we walk, talk, act, live and even dress and the charismatic churches don't they live worldly and blend in right in with the world Oneness Pentecostals because we have the Holy Spirit living inside of us aka God Himself lives inside of us we stand like a light in this world we shine like a Light on Top of a hill

@@aChild-of-God1006 Your explantation is probably helpful as it stands. It will be even more helpful if somone you consider to be "Charismatic" explains this from that point of view. Many people think of the protestant reformation as having occured in the sixteenth century. I think of the reformation as having begun before that, made rapid progess in the sixteenth century and continued in the seventeenth, eighteeth and nineteenth centuries. I think we should be searching our Bibles for additional reforms to adopt but I don't pretend to know what those reforms should be. I have trouble identifying with any person or group who think of themselves as having already arrived at the pinicle of spiritual progress.

​@@aChild-of-God1006 Jesus Himself requests for baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit in Matthew 28 19, He's gotta trump anything in acts becaue He had already ascended at that point

​@@aChild-of-God1006 Every Pentecostal baptism I've attended baptized in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Spirit.

In the U.K. where I reside, the chief impetus for the rise of British pentecostalism was the Welsh Revival 1904-05. The Arminian Wesleyan influence has been much less pronounced than in the States and pentecostal pioneers over here tended to come from Baptist, Brethren, Congregational, Presbyterian and evangelical Anglican backgrounds. Hence, it has not been uncommon at all for British pentecostals to affirm eternal security of the Christian believer and some even being full blown conscious Calvinists. This can be seen clearly in the Elim churches particularly in Scotland and the North of Ireland. Also, in not a few independent gatherings with no denominational affiliation.

Church of God (Cleveland, TN) claims Holy Spirit miraculous experiences from the 1890s, predating Azusa Street. These experiences would have happened in eastern Tennessee and western North Carolina and spread from there. Their smaller impact was overshadowed by Azusa Street and its tainted legacy.

Charles Parham started the Pentecostal movement

Charles Parham is kind of the 'founder' of Pentecostalism in that he oversaw the revival at Topeka, Kansas in 1901, which is seen as the birth of Pentecostalism in America. Parham would eventually be kicked out of the movement he created though. William J. Seymour is more commonly seen as the founder of Pentecostalism. He was a one-eyed black man, the son of former slaves, who had spent his life travelling across America trying to find scattered relatives, and got involved in a lot of different churches and traditions as he travelled. He eventually came under the teaching and influence of Charles Parham, who was kind of a mentor to him. Parham and Seymour would have identified with the Holiness Tradition, which in turn goes back to the Wesleyan tradition. Seymour travelled by himself to LA to teach at a Holiness congregation. He was excited to teach the Pentecostal view, though he himself had not yet experienced spirit baptism, and Parham actually discouraged him from going. He taught on Acts 2 at the Holiness church there for weeks until the woman pastor of that congregation realised he was teaching Pentecostalism, and kicked him out. Seymour came to be teaching a gathering of people elsewhere, and teaching on Acts 2, a woman in the congregation began to experience baptism in the Spirit, and then Seymour, and then others. They eventually ended up meeting in an old warehouse on Azusa Street, and this was where the Azusa Street Revival broke out in 1906. It's said that the 1901 Topeka Revival was the birth of Pentecostalism in America and the 1906 Azusa Street Revival was the birth of Pentecostalism worldwide. Also going on at the same time was the 1904 Welsh Revival, and teachers would go back and fore between the two, leading to cross-pollination between the Welsh Revival and that at Azusa Street. The result was the major Welsh Pentecostal denominations, such as the Apostolic Church (not related to the American Oneness denomination of the same name) or the Elim Church. These first Pentecostals were essentially Holiness Christians with Pentecostal doctrine, and the first Pentecostal denomination was the Apostolic Faith. But plenty of those with a Baptist background came to Azusa Street too and ended up becoming Pentecostal. They formed a new kind of Pentecostalism, which instead of being Holiness with Pentecostal doctrine, was Baptist with Pentecostal doctrine. These more Baptist type Pentecostals became the dominant group, and the largest denominations come from them. Assemblies of God are an example of a denomination that came from them.

No traced back to Acts 2

I am pentecostal. Historically we consider charismatics as water-down worldly folks.

I agree with you, I listen to some great eastern orthodox preachers but they say they are the true Church which I disagree with. It doesn't stop me from listening to their preaching though

Thanks Donald, so glad that my videos have interested you. I apprecate it!

Thanks for letting me know, glad you liked it!

Why did Paul write this then? "By my sufferings I fill up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, If all Jesus did was sufficient then why would Paul not write "Jesus sufferings were sufficient and I don't need to do any work".

@@vicboothmusic Your justification is by works and not by faith alone.

In the Orthodox the numbers are less than 1000 (

Didn't biblical literalism begin because pentacostals didn't have enough preachers with formal education?

I am Pentecostal, and the idea of Hawaiian shirts and shorts on the platform would have me looking for a new church or a new pastor. Suits and ties are not strictly speaking necessary, but a dress shirt and tie are the bare minimum unless the occasion happens to be a singular occurrence, for which I am still less than likely to make an allowance for.

Rick Warren stopped wearing dreaded Hawaiian shirts because people made such a deal about it.

I think it depends on the church. The Pentecostal church I attend isn't "loud".

Church hopper

Thank you for your comments on Calvary Chapel. I agree.

How you feel in your heart isn't the standard for truth.

Oriental Orthodox Churches wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental_Orthodox_Churches

Thanks for sharing, it sounds like you have had a tough spiritual journey! I'm inspired that you have remained true to the essence of our faith!

@@tedpfenninger4972 Hey Ted! Yes, this journey can be tricky at times. Deep down I've always believed Christ is who He said He was, so questioning the core of my faith was never a big issue. Learning how to weed through the lies (sometimes even well meaning ones) all around us is a completely different matter. :)

In Jesus name ❤

I wouldn’t go as far as calling the asuza street demonic and you are also speaking from personal experience… I do speak in tongues but I don’t feel superior to others and I do find it problematic when we try to force people to do so, I believe the Holy Spirit has other gifts that it can give to the church than speaking in tongues and speaking in tongues do not make me less and more spiritual than others. I am just gifted but there are more gifted people than me that don’t speak in tongues. I am a Pentecostal who attend an AOG church but I don’t always agree with every teaching but I thank God that my pastor is biblically rooted and has been a blessing for my life.

You are definitely right that in this video I am talking about mainstream trinitarian Pentecostalism. But I do have a video on UPCI here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3HHKwl9ZoL0.html and also a video comparing UPCI to Assemblies of God here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-l1JTG4Fj6Rw.html

@@ReadyToHarvest Awesome, I shall check those out!

Mekane hiwet i think they are orthodox people but with reformed views

@@HolaBruv They are not Orthodox, I know them very well. They, like all Ethiopian-Eritrean Evangelicals retain elements of Easter Christianity (which Orthodox are a part of) that do not conflict with Evangelical theology, although Mekane Yesus (Lutheran) do this more than others.

Video on CEC already done and coming next month!

My church is CONVERGENCE

What do you think of the misogyny and homophobia and transphobia that is going on in the Southern Baptist Convention?

William of Ockham , Do you mean the support for the Biblical standard on gender roles? I mean, the Bible's pretty clear. Everyone is free to formulate their own opinion and the Bible doesn't force itself upon anyone, but if we even pretend to be of a Biblical religion, we should probably try to live by Biblical standards. We have to ask ourselves, "Were Jesus and the Apostles just pious men that lived a long time ago, or were they presenting a divine message from God?" If the former is the case, then who cares about any of this? If the latter, then we would expect divine revelation to stand *at least* until further revelation says otherwise. Only God can change or add to His Word. I recommend digging into (Calvary Chapel pastor) Mike Winger's *extremely* thorough series on women in ministry. He candidly states that he started his research on the subject rooting for a modern Egalitarian reading of Scripture, but found an unassailable case for Complementarianism staring back at him. If you want a detailed and thorough explanation of the Complementariam position, you can't do better. Ask yourself, are you enforcing your ethics onto the Bible, or letting the Bible dictate your ethics? If you claim the latter, I encourage you to fearlessly follow along as Mike works through the controversies point by point through the Word.

@@jameswoodard4304 The Bible was a book written by human beings that can be interpreted in myriad ways. The Bible isn’t pretty clear on anything, it’s a work that screams out for interpretation. Ancient Israel and first century Palestine were deeply misogynistic societies and so the people who lived and wrote in those societies were deeply misogynistic, it makes no sense for us to be arbitrarily bound to them. Complementarianism is male domination by another name, because it conveniently gives people assigned male at birth control of most things that actually matter. Your all or nothing approach to a book is strange and disturbing, it’s a text that should be interpreted and reinterpreted constantly, and I really think that there’s no problem with just discarding what no longer works. Divine inspiration means it was inspired by the divine in the same way that Vivaldi was inspired by the seasons.

Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus is a conservative Charismatic Lutheran denomination.

Sounds like you did everything in the RIGHT order!

Neat! I'd be interested in hearing your take on what you may see differently. I also have lots of other videos on Pentecostal denominations if you haven't seen them.

Firstly, my Uncle in the thumbnail pastored a United Pentecostal Church until his retirement. The UPC teaches the necessity of Holy Spirit baptism as part of the New Birth as the blood, water, Spirit pattern is found throughout scripture and was preached by Peter on the day of Pentecost. So there are Pentecostals that believe in the necessity of Spirit baptism. You may not recognize them as mainstream, but PENTECOSTAL is right in the title!!

@@markmorehouse66 Yes, for this video it is out of place to have a UPCI guy in the thumbnail. You should check out my video on UPCI and let me know what you think. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3HHKwl9ZoL0.html

Your video on the UPCI is very well researched. Thank you for your channel. You do incredible work untangling the yarn ball of various faiths. I trust God continues to bless your vital work!

By apostolic I assume you refer to Oneness Pentecostals, which often go by that title. Here's a video on Oneness Pentecostals: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3HHKwl9ZoL0.html Here are two videos comparing oneness Pentecostals to other Pentecostal denominations: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-l1JTG4Fj6Rw.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pJX5KiJQXUk.html

@@ReadyToHarvest there are Apostolic trinitarians as well

Definitely a difference

That’s because the term Pentecostal is synonymous with Classical Pentecostalism (the mainstream Trinitarian Christian) and the UPCI is not a true Pentecostal/Classical Pentecostal (Trinitarian) denomination, the UPCI is a non-trinitarian Oneness Pentecostal denomination not recognized as legitimate Christian denomination let alone a Pentecostal denomination by Classical Pentecostals and other Evangelical Christians. Most see Oneness Pentecostals (UPCI) not as Pentecostals or Protestant Christians but are seen in a similar light as Mormons (LDS), Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW), and Iglesias ni Christi.

I bless you and your family. Please say a prayer for me and my loved ones to receive healing from the mercies and power of Christ. I bless your healing and teaching ministry and agree for the full salvation of all your loved ones, near and far: "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, you and your house."

On a very emotional level I've got to concur with your assessment of the coffee and, donuts phenomenon. I guess if and when the Allmighty is bothered by it He with correct them. In the interim the hear the gospel and enjoy Christian fellowship. Thanks for your comment!