People Don't Want to Learn, They Want to Complain 

Gotta give the granblue versus social media manager props for trying their best on these regardless if the advice is helpful or not

This is truly SaJam's Joker moment. Bro's been trying his hardest to teach new players since the boom of DBFZ, but he's finally snapped and admitted "man people Just dont wanna learn huh."

I would like to thank everyone in the Akatsuki Blitzkampf community for being positive about their fighting game. Truly we are the most blessed 29 people in the FGC.

The "I'm skilled when I win, game broken when I lose" can be seen in a *lot* of places once you start looking for it. It's even in economics where people attribute rising costs as due to external factors (which is true) but then also consider rising incomes as solely due to their own skill/knowledge/hard work and not also impacted by those same external factors.

"How dare you try to help me. I will continue to wallow in misery forever. You cannot stop me."

I think the idea of the Granblue Twitter videos is awesome Folks in the FGC are always talking about wanting Devs to be more involved and communicate more A dev finally does that, and people want to dunk on them Why can't we just have nice things?

that bit at the end talking about pro players shitting on their game making other ppl thinks its bad i immediately thought "leffen" and seeing sajam use him as the example right after had me cackling

That's why "I think fighting games are something so great" was such a notable thing for Tokido to say after winning Evo.

Instead of reflecting on themselves they blamed the beasts

I always roll my eyes when people say “modern fighting games don’t reward skill.” I saw a thumbnail that said that and they had two reaction images comparing two different games. The bad game was SF6, the “good, old game that rewards skill” was…SFV. People really love complaining about fighting games, it’s always something new

The bit about streamers talking down at their own game and ruining it for their viewers is something that actually hit super hard as a former viewer of Hashinshin. Bro was someone with a decent understanding of League but a horrible mental and a tendency to blame the game for everything that went wrong for him. That ended up influencing me pretty heavily as well, leading me to absolutely despise the game, and when I moved on to fighting games I took that toxic mentality with me. It took me like a year to unlearn that mentality and a lot of it was due to Sajam's content. Somewhat tangentially related but it's something that I've wanted to share and this seemed like a good opportunity.

"Mankind knew that they cannot change society. So, instead of reflecting on themselves, they blamed the beasts" - Mr Badguy, the Guilty Gear

Project L team fights are gonna be terrible because of this. Now everyone has a teammate they can blame everything on

Professional Sol Downplayer accusing other honest characters of being strong to make us forget.

honestly wish more streamers and top players realized the impact they have on the perception of these games

Playing online against strangers is really dehumanizing sometimes. It feels really disconnected from a huge part of 1v1 competition: energy. You're left alone to fester with your frustrations and questions. I've questioned whether I even like fighting games anymore after a life long passion and I realized I just used to have fun people to play with, in person, and now that online is so good it's so convenient that I don't have the drive to do anything offline. And yet it's such a lacking experience, win lose or draw. It's so easy to read into your opponent's actions with all sorts of ill intent (which is almost never there).

As someone who came from other competitive genres, the FGC really does take fighting games for granted sometimes. I don't know if the complainers are just people who have never played anything other than fighting games but the genre is so cool and many people don't seem to realize how good they have it.

Learning counter play is one of the fun parts of playing fighting games imo. It's frustrating sure but it's really feels like a anime training arc. You get beat hit the lab then when they try it again you feel like a god when you counter it .

I love bitching but I keep it to just saying it out loud to myself

The one thing I think players like sa jam don’t understand is that it’s way way easier to be positive and have a good attitude towards fighting games when you are already good at fighting games. I always hear this from players, that you shouldn’t care about losing, that you should learn from your mistakes and improve instead of complaining. While that is true, it’s a lot easier said than done if you aren’t already good at games. Learning is way harder when you have literally no base to fall back on

These are literally all my thoughts about league of legends players lmfao. It's insane

It always surprises me how people have to always focus on what they hate rather than what they like. If i get burnt out or dislike a game, i just play or do something different. I'll voice issues or what i think does something better, but just being mad (and being mad at those who like it) does nothing

I see this kind of behavior a LOT in card games too. Yugioh, Hearthstone, Pokemon, you name it. A lot of the top level theory involves some level of meta picks and win percentages but when that info flows down to mid and low level players those players tunnel vision on percentages and averages without taking skill or counter-play into account. One of the best examples of this is the fact that, not only are side deck tech choices barely discussed in yugioh, what's even RARER is COUNTER-COUNTER PLAY; what to do about and how to counter your opponents counter play. Players forget about the human aspect in both fighting games and card games and they instead tunnel vision on raw data and mechanics and percentages.

I want to be some positivity in the universe, and say I think SF6 is sick. I still play multiple times per week. I work for an office from home, and it’s the perfect game to take my work breaks on. I got my main, Kim, to masters, and that made me so happy.

Sajam, the most reasonable personality in the FGC. Thank you for your service.

as a person, I can confirm I do in fact not want to learn and only want to complain

YESSSS!!!! Sajam!!!! Preach. So glad you exist. It gives me hope that there are people out there that still try to figure shit out.

“Games’s good because you’re winning” should be the tagline of every FG game released.

Sajam is deadass just the therapist for the FGC

god this is so fucking real. i only really started putting a ton of time into fighting games this past year, and i think their vocal community members are easily the most annoying and toxic of any fan base. you’d think everyone who plays the genre just fucking hates it, even pro players. you’re one of the only content creators who talks about things in a positive light lmao.

Crazy how your topics are almost always related to my conversations with my friends, it's awesome to see this videos and see the different reactions hahah, thx, your content os awesome bro

"66L IS BUSTED, NERF PLZ" - the guy who doesn't block I get incredibly tilted in Granblue (or any FG) but I've never felt like the games needed to be changed to accommodate for MY shortcomings.

The point about not needing to qualify rancid negativity but needing to constantly hedge positive comments in order to preempt hackle-raised naysayers is so on point and it's so exhausting feeling the need to maintain that guarded mindset. I know there's always the "just ignore them and move on" approach, but it's still adjacent to a death by a thousand cuts. The onus shouldn't be on people to ignore the misery-wallowers, the onus should be on the miserable people to try being introspective and changing their mindset to something less insanely negative. You can be critical of something without ranting about it, and if you can pull that off, most of the time even more people will listen to you. It's crazy how that works.

This is exactly how I felt about Lumina. I've been playing that game since release 2.5 years ago and have had a great time. It's had problems but the game has been super fun and people just constantly complain about stuff. There's always something else, as you say, people are just looking to be miserable.

Thanks for making this video, Sajam! Surely this video will open people's eyes and they will stop finding any and every excuse imaginable to complain about the game they love

I play trading card games more than I play fighting games, but I still see this all the time over there. Cards will release in a set that seem really strong... and people will FLIP their shit. They won't even believe you when you show them that the answer(s) to those cards are in the same set, sometimes. I mean like "here's card A, it's really good and hard to counter. But did you know cards B, R, and X all counter it? They come in the same set!" And then in response, I'll get "yeah, but those aren't *good* counters, and this card is OP, so there's really no true answer to it." Roll my eyes every time. People love shifting blame away from themselves or their bad habits.

wakeup babe new sajam vod just dropped

Such a high quality content creator. Helps breakdown small aspects of the game and helps with mental boom. 10/10 tuber fr

"People Don't Want to Learn, They Want to Complain" FINALLY! SOMEONE GETS IT!

I've been slowly trying to replicate what you did by getting all the characters to master in SF6, I really am glad i am not the only one that felt burned out on the grind. Gotta step back sometimes to remember that the reason to play a game is to have fun.

Positivity fighting back is the content I am here for!

Sajam, I gotta say you really have an admirable attitude when it comes to fighting games. Not just fighting games but human interaction in general. I agree with what you are saying in this video. I am in no way discouraging you or anyone else who reads this to stop spreading positivity and most of all - FUN - around the community. But there's one thing I have noticed in every game community, including single player games. There are people who love to complain. Unfortunately the people who love to complain are significantly louder. Which turns a lot of people away from trying out fighting games, or whatever game, because they saw a dozen popular tweets, or reddit threads, about a broken character dominating the ranked mode of "fighting game". Or a build that trivializes some rogue like game or whatever. Just because the positive player base isn't as loud, doesn't mean it can't be heard. I found your channel after finding Justin Wong. Probably the same thing I like about Justin is what I like about you. You two have a lot of fun doing what you like doing. You'll both always have fans if you do that :) Hopefully more people get the vibes you're putting out there and start having fun. Cheers Bud.

Sajam, buddy, you're a goddamn saint. I don't know how you do it but please never stop being you.

Love the Chrono Trigger reference at 01:26 hahaha. The future refused to change indeed.

Thank you so much for this.

This is such a great topic

When people are arguing on Twitter, they don't consider their opponent, they consider the opponent's character. And that makes sense, because they're online and not in front of the game actually playing, but that means their ghost opponent always counters their every move perfectly, and that's just not the case with real people. You're not going to play against Diaphone or whatever anytime soon, if their character has no visible weaknesses, look for the player's weaknesses.

'Fighting games are fun' is something I always try and type in the chat when I catch a stream Mr. Jam. Gotta maintain that positiviy. I play this genre over MOBAs because in a MOBA I have to listen to people complain when I queue up. In a fighting game I can just queue up and have fun and never listen to people complain (unless I get on twitter or read a twitch chat).

it's not only a complaining thing these types of people want an answer that makes them win 100% of the time but that answer does not exist because spoiler alert this isn't rock paper scissors you don't just win from beating a single thing in an interaction

As someone who has done this in the past. Asking for help and then arguing about it. Part of the reason was, i was really really hopeing for something that evened the odds. That was *strong* counterplay. Not just. "Yea they skip neutral for free and maybe kill you but it's slightly less likely to happen if you do x" And my response would be like: ok?? that isn't nearly good enough. im gonna die still. It was disheartening hearing that my character had basically nothing if the falco was good enough. I couldn't win without getting lucky. I was playing melee ganon at the time. a very bad character compared to the top tiers. particularly fox / falco. when i asked how to beat falco. They would say. "powershield his lazers" a very tight difficult technique, with limited applications, that doesn't actually guarantee any counterplay, especially if the falco can do it back or shine or just take lazer well. it just sucked. i stopped playing ganon and now falco doesn't bother me. as now i have ACTUAL counterplay. + powershields. my character still loses the MU but it feels doable. idk, thats my story.

Some people complain for the sake of complaining like a daily checklist

Negativity on the internet is fucking wild, dude. I've gotten stuck in negativity loops about games and stuff I enjoy multiple times in my life, it really eats at you until there's nothing left. Trying to be better about that. Love the outlook of learning to improve. Keep up the work my dude

I totally agree Sajam, as a guy who is learning Tekken 8 as his first fighting game as King because I really like the character quite a bit, this video title really spoke to me because, I’ve been in that boat myself trying to learn many other fighting games in the past and I have to say this is probably my biggest weakness that I’m trying to get over to actually learn Tekken 8.

i lose what feels like every match in SF6 but it’s also some of the most fun i’ve had in a fighting game. it’s hard to make losing still fun but SF6 does a great job and it feels like every match i can pin point the exact moments i messed up.

4:16 Woah, shirt change jumpscare! But seriously, really great talk. In my experience, it's just general gamer mentality to immediately put down any advice given to oneself by either making excuses or by being completely and stubbornly wrong from bias, especially due to tier lists or game meta. People don't generally form their own opinions from character-to-character, and when they do, they get clowned on for not knowing a character is "so easy and top tier." I am fortunate enough to have played GBVS towards the end of its life before Rising, and I became a little better at fighting games after playing SF6, but I struggle playing as well and find myself complaining constantly at times. I'm currently focusing on Cagliostro's strengths and lesser strengths to form a stronger gameplan, then I work on counterplay against other characters when I lose to them, and I think I have a much better time with fighting games overall because of that mentality.

I can always count on Sajam for the cathartic digs on the rampant negativity in gaming communities. Thanks my man.

This video perfectly encapsulates some of my biggest complaints about the FGC. Thanks for helping me put my feelings into word, Sajam.

THAT LAST PART AGAIN BUT TURN THE VOLUME UP

Truer words have never been spoken. Good stuff Sajam.

If you can't take responsibility for your losses, you don't deserve to take credit for your wins.

i love the game, that post about the counterplay is really helpful. so i do hope they make more of it. i also tried to play every character to avoid antagonize spesific character. people tend to hate character cause they refuse to play the game, only spesific character.. but playing other character actually help a lot to learn our own favorite character. i do agree to some people some of the character in GBVSR a bit too unfair.. so i get why some people being grumpy about seox and Nier. but complaining instead of learning to counter it just make the game less fun for you. it's not like the dev can listen and instantly approve every request. people nowadays just having a hard time to have fun in video games. they just complain lol

This video surely is an instant classic.

I’m glad it’s been said, the FGC can be pretty toxic at times but I hope that changes. I love fighting games, I hope I continue to play them for a long time to come. I hope our community grows and matures. It’s never gonna be perfect and that’s okay. But it’s our community and I want it to thrive

Some people aren't happy unless they're miserable, and it's easier to say somethings broken than it is to learn.

Good points, including getting advice (I get it from Discord, gamings forum & RU-vid), & liking a game, despite some issue it may have. Some really dislike Strive (GameFAQs). Though I've played since GG2, I've been fine with it & differences. SF6 has been rough with no online due to the 'Could Not Verify Capcom ID Link' error screen preventing it (3 months). World Tour, arcade & trials have been fun, but I'd really hope for a patch to allow me online someday like other games.

I'm trying to figure out why even when I improve, my brain gets full of more toxic gunk. I get more annoyed at myself for not doing better and blame myself for being predictable etc and just can't seem to stop it. I want to learn and just enjoy myself and I love playing fighting games but this stupid competitiveness just won't leave me alone. I appreciate your videos on these sort of topics and really am glad to get your insight. They have definitely helped me like how I've kept learning my leverless controller due to a vid of yours from a couple months back.

Funnily enough, usually the best way to learn how to fight against a certain character, is like what Sajam and others did is… listen to the players who main them. Especially on tutorials for the character, even if written to help people play a certain character, they’ll also inform weaknesses for the player to know to avoid, and thus, is also info for others to take advantage of.

That conclusion was on point.

It all comes back to ego. Elevate your own success and downplay anyone else's no matter how you do it. If you want a healthy mindset in a competitive space you need to set aside your ego and you will be free.

One of my favorite memories of fgs was playing strive against my friends Leo. I was still pretty green and he kept hitting me with the cross up like everytime. Finally he told me I could counter throw it and for some reason that was so much easier than switching my block. Still think about that when I feel like I'm hitting a wall and can't win or improve.

The title of this is PERFECT 😊

As a Nago main, yeah. Hotashi was saying this for a while specifically about this character. And people still kept printing hot takes about Nago. Also: I'll be the first to say I get ragey, but honestly I don't mean half that shit. It's just REALLY annoying and frustrating when someone just slips outta pressure or oki like it was free. It was prooobably my fault, but that doesn't make it less awful. This is why I don't post takes on social media when mad (mostly), especially about fighting games. I KNOW I'll probably be wrong about something. I just vent into the aether and try to get better.

Sajam should not be allowed to pronounce Belial like that I was not prepared

Never thought I'd see Mourinho in a thumbnail of a sajam vid

Leffen has been working on it for almost 15 years....

'Oh, you disagree with my opinion? Then that must mean you take the exact OPPOSITE opinion!' 'Well actually no my opinion's somewhere in the middle and integrates arguments from both sides of the spectrum. I'm trying my best to be reasonable here and I don't care about winning or losing the argument as much as trying to reach some kind of constructive conclusion.' 'I can't make a conveniently easy-to-defeat strawman out of such a nuanced opinion so I'm just going to ignore and misrepresent everything you say in an effort to make myself feel like I won an argument that I made up in my head.' 'But dude, if you took a moment to listen to what the other guy's really saying and genuinely engage with their points then you'd be able to formulate far more effective counterarguments and deepen your understanding of the mechanics of discourse which-' 'LA LA LA LA NOT LISTENING'

This is exactly the case with the "MK1 Is Dying" narrative online.

Thank you for pointing that out

I think fighting games are really cool. The game I'm currently playing is dope.

Thank you for this video.....honestly. The negativity is too rampant to the point where these people call any positivity "toxic positivity".

I'm not on Twitter at all, but that's pretty awesome of them.

You're right that a % of people only want to complain. I have no excuse for the people who respond to someone offering advice on how to handle their characters in the way you described. But think of the comments on the twitter videos with this mindset, which is what I think a lot of people have: Some characters are drastically more powerful than others and Cygames has the power to fix that. They have not patched for balance. They have not even communicated that they intend to patch for balance. But they HAVE communicated, so it's not like they're just silent. And what they're communicating could be interpreted as them saying "Everything's fine. See these examples of what you can do? Git gud." I think it's just a failure of communication. If they just said "We know there's a power imbalance and we're working on it, but in the meantime here are some techniques you can use that will serve you well in your quest to rank up" I think that would have prevented most of the complaints.

One reason I believe this happens; in the newer era of games with frequent balance patches (relative to older games), rather than learn specific matchups, people understand that by complaining loudly, devs might take notice and patch the game accordingly. Not saying that frequent balance patches or new games are good or bad, as there's definitely both pros and cons to frequent changes.

My god, Sajam is always... you always say the right thing

This video was way too real for me, humble me even... But my only saving grace is that i dont complain online, i keep it to myself

Oh sick, a video about Leffen!

This video feels like a safe-jump

This also applies to the discussion on modern controls in SF6. I play modern cammy and so many people throw a temper tantrum when I tell them to not throw a fireball when a modern cammy has her sa3 ready. Some people will always want to execute the same gameplan and do nothing but cry when they get punished for it

learning requires taking my meds and tuning out the voices and those kinds of things are basically impossible to do

Any advice is pointless because I'm so smart that I've already perfectly deduced that it's a 10-0 matchup between MY character and YOUR character.

I really agree! We need more positivity in the FGC im having so much fun playing testament in ggst now I felt I might get bored but after 800 hours I just wanna play more and more and I feel I'm actually improving and the characters I got my shit beat on before are kinda doable now! fuck me I LIKE PLAYING AGAINST SOL AND MAY, I can't wait to play more guilty gear and uni very soon when it comes out, I'm so glad french bread is killing it I love fighting games

Bro this is so facts lmfao

Definitely feel like everyone just complains over a fighting game rather than look at what they are struggling on. I also learned myself, if you go in with a positive mind and eager to learn, you’ll enjoy the process much more. (Work a full time job so coming home and playing a competitive game can get to me but I just simply take a break if that happens)

should put the dbz teleport sound when Sajam changes shirts in these videos :P

I feel like I've felt this in both ways: When I was Journeying to A rank w/ Gran I did kinda well against Beez but got smoked by U-black hole and no Beez I asked would tell me how to beat it, took me 3 tries to meet a kind soul. On the inverse, this one Seox player a gamed w/ got a little salty about getting counter hit by far heavy and I simply told him "Don't mash" and I got called a no-lifer Gotta love fighting games

TELL'EM SAJAM

To be fair it doesn't help Granblue that their first post in there was like "You can do stuff about 66L!" and in 5 seconds someone posted that if you actually did it you'd die as hard if not harder. Now every post they make they will be accused of spreading misinformation.

Lmao the legacy “hold over” from previous iterations cracks me up. Hey Sajam, I dunno how the government works but could you run for president?

I can get salty sometimes, that is SUPER true. However, I will only get mad when I'm alone, and that's about it. I had to take a LONG break from SF6 because I was just grinding and not enjoying myself at all, so it is definitely a good idea to do that from time to time. People actually b****ing unironically all over Twitter and RU-vid is always super annoying though, especially with how common it is and typically how little their knowledge of what they are complaining about seems to be.

Why learn when you can cry till something is nerfed.