People & Politics | 60 Years of German-Polish Relations

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German-Polish relations have a long and complicated history,overshadowed by Germany's invasion in 1939,the Holocaust and the expulsion of Germans from former German territory after the war. These days relations have improved despite a number of nagging tensions. People and Politics talks to two experts on German-Polish relations: Egon Bahr,architect of Willy Brandt's Ostpolitik ,and Janocz Reiter,Poland's ambassador to Germany from 1990 to 1995.

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15 окт 2024

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@adgw1423 13 лет назад

Poland certainly was moved quite far West from its traditional territory (look at a map of Poland post WWI) However, one can understand the feeling post WWII to try and prevent further German aggression. The tens of millions of Germans forcibly moved out of E. Europe is a largely untold story, and millions died. We all certainly recognize the suffering of the Poles in WW2. Simply put, this was a nasty situation all around. We are in a new century, and best wishes for a new era of friendship

@RenShiWu 11 лет назад

Silesia, Pomerania, and Prussia were only "German" because of German colonization in the Middle Ages. In Roman times, Germania encompassed pretty much the same territory that Germany does today, bounded by the Rhine, Danube, and Oder Rivers - not the Vistula, and certainly not the Niemen or Bug Rivers. Also note that Vilnius, Hrodna, and Lviv are not Russian, but part of an independent Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine respectively.

@suchendnachwahrheit9143 Год назад

So what. The people were invited or moved there, but were expelled violently, millions died. Before the slavs were in central europe there were germanics. By your logic, countries like Czechia have no place on the map.

@Quentinsama 14 лет назад

Germany/Austria ist still ruling Czech republic and poland today economically.

@DogDogGodFog 5 лет назад

Ruling? If Germany ruled Poland, then our language wouldn't sound so Russian.

@TrueBlue730 8 лет назад

The eastern Polish territories were stolen from Poland and should be returned to Poland. The Western territories are PAYMENT for the crimes against Poland and the Polish people committed by Germany. These people's are neighbors and should be friendly and be good neighbors, but the territory is and will remain forever Polish as Germany must forfeit those territories for the crimes committed against the people and the complete destruction of Warsaw and the crimes against humanity committed against Poland.

@maxs5351 5 лет назад

Delta sucks to suck

@POLAK1Nysa 13 лет назад

@Alsterwasser territory has been exchanged many times, among different states. They are 100% Polish now. True many germans lived there, but lose a war and do not complain! I have nothing against Germans at all. I have been there, people are very nice. Poland borders not only moved west but east too, so we lost cities too. It was not a decision made by Poles or Poland at all. What you talk about is the past, better to leave it just like Poles who talk lviv/lwow, vilnius/wilno.

@rysio92 12 лет назад

one question: Who have the most profits from (potential) Polish-German conflict? The answer is quite known

@crispygeneral 4 года назад

Historically speaking the borders were originally "german" tribes inhabiting those areas and switched hands from time to time. However now it is majority polish and should remain such. The genocide of the far Eastern germans by the Soviet Union should not be forgotten, just as the genocide the German Reich committed.

@Francesko263 11 лет назад

History always repeat itself.

@babalon440 11 лет назад

In fact. in the midlle ages, before 1500 a.d. prussians wanted to be with in polish bordes. read history more.

@KAMERBURO 15 лет назад

i see the point of your reply. however, what i was more interest in was what you meant with 'We don´t even have one common approach to our history'. Just because the countries went different paths doesn't mean that we necessarily have two contradicting views on our histroy.

@KAMERBURO 15 лет назад

cont'd: Although I think that there were huge differences in the war and cold-war generations I hope today's 20-40 year old europeans (east and west) have a converging rather than diverging views on our common history and decide to put past differences behind (i am just revering to current EU members, i suppose your comment alluding to generals was more aiming towards the Balkan).

@KAMERBURO 15 лет назад

how do u come to say this about germany and poland?

@babalon440 11 лет назад

Poland should invide germany and show them how it is when one country for 320 years again and again want to earse other country from the maps of europe. But Poland is sold to them and that will not happen.

@erde805 3 года назад

No Germany should Invade Poland ,just that Poland Shuts up and accept what happend

@sushiroll7266 3 года назад

When Poland and Germany have a war u know who will lost

@babalon440 3 года назад

@@sushiroll7266 Los win dosent mather. What mathers is that people starting to forget what natzis did during WWII to civilians in concentracion camps. And by the way. Natzis = Germans. Germany want 2 clean their guilt calling natzis natzis. So for an example: standard american citizen that didnt pay much attention in his history class will never guess who wos natzis.

@pep-qew 2 года назад

@@sushiroll7266 1410?

@Alsterwasser 13 лет назад

@lipaization No, I'm not stupid at all.

@Alsterwasser 14 лет назад

@RobertBF2 "RE-build" = copycat. Both Stettin and Breslau were and ARE German cities. Even the Allies gave them only under Polish ADMINISTRATION, they are still German territory.

@nyhes256 6 лет назад

yeah, exactly when you watch polish maps from 966 or 1138. tfu german imperialist beast

@DogDogGodFog 5 лет назад

Poland hates most of it's bordering neighbours except probably Czechs and Belarus... But still, one of the most offensive things you can tell to an average Pole is "Poland loves Germany".

@Lechoslaw8546 5 лет назад

"Poland hates' ? Speak by yourselve, not by Poland, please.

@DogDogGodFog 5 лет назад

@@Lechoslaw8546 Ale to prawda. Polska jest zbyt paranoiczna o swoich sąsiadach. Próby ukrywania tego problemu w niczym nie pomogą.

@Lechoslaw8546 5 лет назад

@@DogDogGodFog Ano, nie ukrywam, ale sprzeciwiam się uogólnieniom. Często wmawiają nam, że "Polacy nienawidzą..." i trudno się już połapać jak jest naprawdę. Czy ktoś robił badania statystyczne ? W zasadzie zgadzam się z tym co napisałaś w pierwszym wpisie.

@richpiano5381 Год назад

@@DogDogGodFog Iza, niewiem czy przeczytasz to. Ale „paranoja” o Rosji nie była paranoja. I niewiem czy śledzisz niemieckie działania w Polsce. Ale bys zauważyła, ze blokują rozbudowanie jądra, swinoujscie itd. Kontrolują większość opozycji oraz i ich kanały medialne. To nie jest nienawiść bez powodu. Niemcy poprostu nie tolerują ze my istniejemy, brzmi to szalone ale jak inaczej nazwać tą subwersje przez niemcow? Czemu chcą biedną polske z tanią siłą roboczą? Powinni chcieć się odłączyć od nas finansowo żebyśmy ich nie „obciążali”. Ale nie dadzą nam się rozbudować bez szczekania o środowisku, prawach lbgt i inne fanaberie które są po prostu „distraction” od prawdziwych działań który nasz rząd powinien robić aby rozbudować Polske i dać jej obywatelom lepsze życie w domu.

@Alsterwasser 14 лет назад

@RobertBF2 Those regions were POLISH? Nope. They did NOT "return" to Poland. They did not belong to Poland in the past, and they do not belong to Poland in the present. Even accordig to the Potsdam Agreement they are only under Polish "administration", but they still belong to Germany. Moreover, cities like Stetting and Breslau were NOT created by Poland, but by Germans.

@Lechoslaw8546 5 лет назад

You are wrong, Wrocław was in the Middle Ages even a functioning capital of Poland and on its way to become a permanent one. Wrocław Catholic metropoly was part of Polish Church until 1821. Berlin became part of Poland by the will of its legal ruler the prince Jaxa of Kopnick. Tell me what does Berlin mean in German language, its etymology ? Why Slavic hydronims and toponims are spread all over Germany but there is no equivalent phenomenon in Poland or Czechia ?

@youssefabdelaal434 3 года назад

@@Lechoslaw8546 Berlin was NEVER a part of Poland. I agree with everything else you said tho

@Lechoslaw8546 3 года назад

@@youssefabdelaal434 Jaksa of Kopenick, now part of Berlin, prince of Brenna /Brandenburg/, deceased 1178, assigned his domain to Crown of Poland and became a vasal of Polish Crown. It was nothing unusual in it as Polabian dukes and princes had long dated relationship with Poland and they spoke same or similar language, mutually understandable.

@Alsterwasser 15 лет назад

Only a sovereign state can legally give up territory. Therefore, if the Allied-occupied BRD "recognized" the "Oder-Neiße-Linie" is completely irrelevant for the borders of Germany. And what an arrogant and condescending remark by Herrn Reiter talking about if "Germany can be trusted"! How repulsive! Remember that it is Poland still occupying a big part of Germany, not vice versa! It's Germany that has good reason not to trust Poland, Herr Reiter!

@nyhes256 6 лет назад

you had this territory before WW2 and you lost it through killed millions of polish people so stfu

@sushiroll7266 3 года назад

@@nyhes256 N*gga

@pep-qew 2 года назад

@@sushiroll7266 nugget?