Peoples of Middle-earth After The Lord of the Rings - Epilogues

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The Peoples of Middle-earth all had different fates after the events of the Lord of the Rings, and this video explores what happened to each race. Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts on the epilogues of these peoples in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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@MenoftheWest 3 года назад

Hey everyone, I hope you all enjoyed the video! I've seen many comments asking about Tom Bombadil and Goldberry, and... I wish I could answer, but I have no idea what became of them 😂 I think he just remained as he always had but your guesses are as good as mine lol!

@davesmith4839 3 года назад

Yeah, Tom’s eldest and fatherless, his purpose, I believe, is to make sure that the countryside of Middle Earth is taken care of. Can’t see him leaving Middle Earth, except when he finally takes his full and most deadly form, in the Dagor Dagorath

@Sennmut 3 года назад

How about geography? How ME matches up with the Europe we know today?

@whentheyes4076 3 года назад

Please add English subtitles

@zachall101 3 года назад

What about a what if video about could the haradrim have ever been on the side of good… if they had how would that have changed things…. If not… why….and the same with the Easterlings

@Blackstar-ik7mi 3 года назад

@@zachall101 Thats a good idea and I hope to see it in a video

@OfficialRedTeamReview 3 года назад

Somewhat somber to be honest. The story of LOTR feels like one last adventure in our young imaginative mind before everything magical and wonderful leaves and age of men (adulthood) arrives.

@MenoftheWest 3 года назад

Exactly, I think that is a great way to put it Carmine. It is the nostalgia of our own youth and Elder Days that we miss when we come of age.

@thelastshallbefirst3653 2 года назад

That's so deep. Life does lose a sense of beauty when we exchange our sense of wonder and freedom for our duty of responsibility.

@MikeTheD 2 года назад

Totally! I've always felt that, but it would've taken me forever to make your point lol:/

@walterlaten7662 2 года назад

Wish we had more movies maybe one that goes too the lands beyond how are the elves doing living whit their gods

@truthhunterhawk3932 2 года назад

We have a hope, when the world is destroyed by fire, it shall be made anew, and it shall be fresh and beautiful and we shall be whole again.

@orrointhewise87 3 года назад

"Middle Earth being, after all full of strange creatures beyond count". However the people's and creatures met their fate in the after days I'm glad and content to have known and read about all of them, during their rise, noontime, and later days. ♥ Of course I'm sure Tom Bombadil is still singing his songs and not caring what happens to anything haha

@paulwagner688 3 года назад

It's always been my thought that the Elves and Hobbits would eventually dwindle and become mythical figures like faeries and gnomes and what not.

@tominiowa2513 3 года назад

Some claim the Hobbits evolved into the Welsh.

@youtubecommenter37 3 года назад

The books imply that hobbits eventually evolve to be indistinguishable from men

@etinarcadiaego7424 2 года назад

Elves became spirits that were basically the fae.

@oviekpolugbo4227 3 года назад

Another note on Dwarves: It is noted in the Appendices that Dwarves have low birth-rates because there are fewer Dwarf women than men (1:3). Also, many Dwarves don't marry because they're too dedicated to their craft.

@josephwarra5043 3 года назад

Some of the half-lings, lead by Merri and Pippin, emigrated to Hawai'i, invented surfing, barbecuing and feasting, taught it to the little people there, who taught it to the tall red-haired peoples, who taught it to the Hawaiians, who taught it to the French, the English and the Americans when they arrived, who taught it to many others and now you can find these all over the world. Thank you Hobbits.

@xMostHated 3 года назад

oh. thats nice

@tominiowa2513 3 года назад

Not all of the trolls died out. Some survive to this day and have RU-vid accounts. 😉

@thehackingburger3002 3 года назад

Good job, Tom. Now I am imaging an actual, Tolkien troll-- hulking and several feet tall like we see in the movies-- hunched over a regular sized desk pecking away at a relatively tiny keyboard, grumbling in frustration. "Ha! I roasted that guy good! So good I could eat 'im!"

@TheWoodsmanMilling 3 года назад

Others spend much time in Wal-Mart.

@longliveclassicmusic 3 года назад

@@TheWoodsmanMilling Those are orcs

@bevoburn 3 года назад

the trolls toiled and honed their craft in the bowels of 4chan then were unleashed upon twitter and youtube...

@zach415 2 года назад

South Park reference

@ponderingnugget 3 года назад

While we can theorize about the fate of the various creatures in Middle-earth, according the the Silmarillion, one thing is certain: in the end, all beings serve the will and vision of Iluvatar. Whether good or evil, each has a part to play in the music of creation.

@genghisgalahad8465 3 года назад

Even Shelob?

@ponderingnugget 3 года назад

@@genghisgalahad8465 LOL, of course. It's difficult to grasp the mind of Iluvatar.

@Thetruepianoman 3 года назад

@@ponderingnugget What's weird about this story and every creation story is that the highest level ( Iluvatar) never explain their motivations. Who made him? Why did he bother making anything?

@ponderingnugget 3 года назад

@@Thetruepianoman I think any explanation beyond a prime mover/creator poses questions we just can't reason out with the logic we currently employ, leaving us with a circular question. Take your example, if Iluvatar created everything, then who created Iluvatar, and who is the creator of the creator of Iluvatar and on to infinity. As to motivations for creation, it's anyone's guess, but human guesses all seem to begin by anthropomorphizing the motivations of said creator.

@MathiasMNielsen 3 года назад

@@Thetruepianoman My guess is that he has the same qualities of the Christian God who is eternal. So asking what was before a timeless, uncreated, transcended, powerful being is non-existent. There can't be anything before Illuvatar, as He is the ontological beginning of all things.

@Longshanks1690 3 года назад

"They would surely destroy the remaining evil monsters of Sauron" Even Ratbag? 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

@Steel-101 3 года назад

I miss that orc 🥺. He’s the only orc I would keep alive

@genghisgalahad8465 3 года назад

Save for Shelob...

@SvenTviking 3 года назад

You mean Shagrat?

@tominiowa2513 3 года назад

@@SvenTviking - Or possibly Gorbag.

@starstoryteller 3 года назад

I hate to say it but I think rat bag got himself in serious trouble.

@redcloud16 3 года назад

The Orcs fate keeps me up at night. I like to think that, once being Elves, they go to the halls of Mandos when they die, and get cleansed and purified of Morgoth's corruption, however long that might take and eventually are restored. Cuz if no, das fucked up, man.

@etinarcadiaego7424 2 года назад

They weren't corrupted elves, that's just the explanation the movies went with. Tolkien himself decided that orcs were in fact corrupted Men after LOTR was written.

@redcloud16 2 года назад

@@etinarcadiaego7424 oh really?! Interesting...

@johndododoe1411 Год назад

I thought they were corrupted descendants of elves and trolls, not actual elves.

@edwardbarach2263 7 месяцев назад

But orcs were fighting battles against the elves before men awoke with the rising of the sun. They could not be men without a significant rewrite of the Silmarillion.

@Steel-101 3 года назад

Deleted epilogue scene: Frodo returns to middle earth, marries a beautiful elf woman, owns the biggest vineyard in middle earth, and bakes lembas bread. 😂 also awesome video Mr. West 😎👍🏼

@geviesanta3631 3 года назад

Now that should be interesting 😂

@di3486 3 года назад

Nooooooooo😭

@LordTalax 3 года назад

The elves left.

@genghisgalahad8465 3 года назад

I think, in many ways like main “canon” Luke, Frodo is a loner of sorts. Seems that’s his lot. “To be a ring-bearer is to be alone” from the films, my impression is that it’s Sam who gets his family life with Rosie.

@Steel-101 3 года назад

@@genghisgalahad8465 Luke isn’t a loner. In the original canon he got married. Even in the new Canon Luke loves company. Luke tried to build his Jedi order(before the last Jedi). Frodo isn’t a loner either. He does love the company of his friends. In the gray havens Frodo must be drinking tea with Gandalf, Bilbo, Elrond, etc.

@margaretalbrecht4650 3 года назад

From The Silmarillion, Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age: "All living things were divided in that day, and some of every kind, even of beasts and birds, were found in either host, save the Elves only." That statement would imply that the races normally thought of evil like the orcs, trolls, wargs, etc. were also divided. That would fit with Tolkien's philosophy that nothing is irredeemably evil. From Letter 153: "I nearly wrote 'irredeemably bad'; but that would be going too far. Because by accepting or tolerating their making - necessary to their actual existence - even Orcs would become part of the World, which is God's and ultimately good." You said, "Perhaps Elves would aid in the Second Music of the Ainur after the End of Arda." From The Silmarillion, Ainulindalë: The Music of the Ainur: "Never since have the Ainur made any music like to this music, though it has been said that a greater still shall be made before Ilúvatar by the choirs of the Ainur and Never since have the Ainur made any music like to this music, though it has been said that a greater still shall be made before Ilúvatar by the choirs of the Ainur and the Children of Ilúvatar after the end of days." The Elves are firstborn of the Children of Ilúvatar.

@grokeffer6226 3 года назад

I like to think that the Blue Wizards became Spirits of the Sky, and Radagast became a Spirit of the Forest. That's not canon, but I like the thought of it.

@Championarcade 3 года назад

After sauron's defeat, I never knew much about the fourth age and beyond. Nice video, this has given me much context.

@tombstone54 3 года назад

Thank you Yoystan, your work is appreciated.

@hdy8792 3 года назад

Isn't it implied that the orcs lost their drive when sauron was destroyed. Becoming aimless and more animalistic dying out .

@waynepurcell6058 2 года назад

Some die out, some interbreed with men and the blood lives on through the ages. In the Hobbit Tolkien mentions that those of mankind that are of foul speech and manners as well as those prone to unnecessary violence are distant descendants of orcs.

@ronnelechavez 3 года назад

With the Dark Lords Morgoth and Sauron gone and all the elves went to Valinor, I think the "nameless things" who came to the Middle Earth before Sauron will sense their absence and will emerge from the abyss to fill the power vacuum as the new adversaries of men. How I wish Tolkien lived 20 years longer.

@TheLewinator902 2 года назад

He would’ve been almost 100 years old, and likely would’ve developed some sort of dementia or Alzheimer’s no matter how great of a man he was.

@Robridgy93 3 года назад

I would of loved to see Aragorn and Eomer riding side by side as kings into battle. Hope all is well buddy!

@IronDragon-2143 3 года назад

Without a dark lord threatening the Free peoples of Middle Earth, a new threat emerged. One that was far greater and more dangerous than anything Sauron or Morgoth could ever create. A Game of Thrones

@ivorbiggun710 3 года назад

I thought you were going to say Twitter.

@guilherme5094 3 года назад

@@ivorbiggun710 No! Please No!!

@genghisgalahad8465 3 года назад

“Westeros”: you mean like Westernesse? “Khal Drogo”: like Frodo’s dad, Drogo??

@tominiowa2513 3 года назад

Herb Kohler is the clear winner of that game.

@universalflamethrower6342 3 года назад

@@ivorbiggun710 and in those days an evil force was awokend, it was without form but it was full of thought, limits it had not, nothing could stand against it but the purest of heart. But in a world without courage and valor pure hearts were as rare as a Silmaril...

@kennethp1423 3 года назад

There was a spider on my wall the other day that I’m sure was a refuge from Mirkwood.

@damiankennedy564 Год назад

It’s always good to hear a different perspective about what I know or what I think I know . Great video as always

@chrisjansen7988 3 года назад

Wouldn't it make a great story? The Orc who journeyed into the West...

@Regulus985 3 года назад

So, all orcs, wargs, dragons, ents, elves, dwarves, wizards and plot twist creating eagles all disappear. The 4th age sounds pretty sucky.

@3lric81 2 года назад

the 4th age is just our world, the earth

@grandadmiralzaarin4962 3 года назад

I always wanted to know how much the Easterlings and Haradrim made trade, diplomacy and relations with the West after Sauron fell.

@waltonsmith7210 3 года назад

Ive always been curious about their cultures. I wish we could get a character for the easterlings in the same vein as Uncle Iroh from Avatar the Last Airbender

@grandadmiralzaarin4962 3 года назад

@@waltonsmith7210 same. I always liked how the books described them as, "Men, proud and valiant." The Easterlings especially earned my admiration in both book and film as being by all accounts worthy foes and even to a degree able to empathize with. Sauron was to them a god that brought knowledge, gifts and also fear and adoration in equal amounts.

@jamesfrost2399 3 года назад

Likewise, I'd love to know more about these groups. The prospect of seeing the lands and peoples of Rhun and Harad being fleshed out is one of the things that has me most excited for the upcoming Amazon series. I just wish that Tolkien himself had written more about them.

@bluediamonddirector 3 года назад

Wow, last time I was this early, the Ent-Wives were still around, lol. Love your videos, keep up the good work!

@timbotook6447 3 года назад

Love this video! I have thought about the fates of the races since I closed the last page of Return of the King over 30 years ago. Of course, I like to think the Hobbits still live on. 😉

@DavetheNord 3 года назад

Great stuff!

@mauramahon7685 3 года назад

@Men of the West, thanks for uploading this! I enjoyed listening to this while I worked on some knitting. Also, it's my birthday and this video definitely helped make today special. :)

@MenoftheWest 3 года назад

Thanks for watching Maura! And Happy Birthday, I’m glad I could be a part of it!

@buckacre1348 3 года назад

Happy Birthday.

@Longshanks1690 3 года назад

Well the future of the world after the epilogue is that the land of Middle Earth becomes England, if some of Tolkein's more _creative_ letters are to be believed.

@r.m.renfield4541 3 года назад

I can believe that Birmingham is just the new name for Mordor.

@tominiowa2513 3 года назад

Didn't you expel the "dwarves" from England?

@twotubefamily9323 3 года назад

That's obviously not even close , think about it

@henners8910 3 года назад

r.m. renfield What do you think it was based on in the first place lol like literally the industrial midlands at the turn of the 20th century.

@novaterra973 3 года назад

Well, parts of Eriador at least. I think Mordor is supposed to be somewhere in Balkan.

@hughgedney3393 3 года назад

A very extremely great video as always Men of the West, also I agree with you, orcs, trolls, dragons, and few other types of Melkor's creatures in Middle Earth after the third age were either wipe out or fade away.

@gabbyn978 3 года назад

The game Lord of the Rings online theorizes that the ents are becoming more and more tree-ish, until they fall asleep and turn into real trees, never to wake up again.

@jchoneandonly 3 года назад

Imagine if someone could waken them again

@zach415 2 года назад

Wasn’t that pretty much stated by Treebeard?

@walterlaten7662 2 года назад

When I read about the ents it was too sad I just hoped they would find the ent wives i still hope but deep down I know they got burned down especially if treebeards wife was like him protective and not scared

@johndododoe1411 Год назад

Except the one this became Lorax.

@geviesanta3631 3 года назад

I'm so going to come out and say it but I've decided to add elves into my very own fan-fiction that is like a mix of Star Wars meets LOTR and I'm very humble about it. Also, thank you making an amazing video as Always Yoystan! 😌😌😌

@geviesanta3631 3 года назад

I can't believe I have said this so soon. Tbh, I pretty much had alot of passion with both the Star Wars and LOTR franchises while growing up.

@meduseldtales3383 3 года назад

Please let there be Space-Balrogs! :)

@geviesanta3631 3 года назад

@@meduseldtales3383 well I don't know if this would be a good idea to add but I'll think of something 🤔

@JoaoGabriel-gh2rg Год назад

I had a similar idea cool to know that im not only one

@sethmiller2534 3 года назад

We just hope they evolved into the purest form. The yoystan race

@MacbethofGondor 3 года назад

Great video! :)

@jamiegregg9211 3 года назад

cool video Yoystan enjoyed it

@ericstrobel2800 3 года назад

Would be interesting to do some speculation regarding an epilogue for the various artifacts. We know the few that reside w/ Elessar/Arwen, but what about, for example, whatever Elrond didn't carry with him from Rivendell?

@LordTalax 3 года назад

Orcs were far too gone after thousands of years to revert back and would only know violence.

@rangerofthenorth1970 3 года назад

Another amazing video, well done, you are trully blessed by Tolkien himself!!!!

@Ranyas_Senestela 3 года назад

I love that Tolkien was such a historical and linguistic enthusiast that he wrote, with great detail and research, an entire history for our own pre-history. His love of man, their redemption, and their choices that shape the future of our world, literally seeps through each page. He is a modern humanist who turned epic fantasy into a true artform. I think that is my favorite part of his universe - he intended it to be a history. Maybe it is just the history enthusiast in me but every time I come across a familiar historical theme in Tolkien, I take a moment to truly appreciate his dedication and knowledge. Great video! It got me thinking about his process and his education. :)

@klaustrumputin-trudeau4142 3 года назад

Read his letters if you want the appreciate the true genius he was in every day communications with his circle of correspondence. Even Christopher said that some of his letters were not publishable because he was very opinionated on some topics and the letters were not flattering.

@DiracComb.7585 3 года назад

And it’s time for a summer break binge of lore. Wonder if this video epilogue will be as long as Peter Jackson’s ending to his LoTR trilogy. Hope things are going well Yoystan. Have a good week.

@MenoftheWest 3 года назад

Hey Paul, good to see you! Hope you are doing well too buddy!

@jarilaukkanen8487 3 года назад

Mae govannen, mellon nin.

@roberthofmann8403 3 года назад

Good vid.

@marionbaggins 3 года назад

It is certainly interesting, to know what happened to most People's in Middle Earth after the 3rd Age! Thanks Mellon for discussing about all free peoples in Middle Earth, Until Radagast the Brown ECH *?* Marion Baggins Out!!!

@oldsgtjoe 3 года назад

I wonder what was the fate of Tom Bombadil in Middles Earth if he was the last one

@tominiowa2513 3 года назад

Bombadil and Goldberry are probably still around, but now completely in the realm of the Unseen (so invisible to men).

@johndododoe1411 Год назад

@@tominiowa2513Or simply unremarkable in appearance, to the point of being ignored and unknown by most. In modern times he might be getting new official identities and citizenship papers of whatever national overlaps his lands, where he may or may not be considered an ordinary line of landowners with familiar facial features and reused first names, similar to how other literature imagines immortals living among us.

@boneman137 3 года назад

I think the orcs who were corrupted held the fate of the elves, however their offspring were no longer a part of the race of elves and as such were merely imitations of true life, and were thus wiped out.

@berkeleysmith6630 3 года назад

I had an intriguing thought a few days back. What was Sauruman's plan after the Lord of the Rings? If it was to do as much damage as possible then would he not destroy the Elendilmir in Orthanc? but if he was trying to regain his former power would he try to regain Orthanc one day?

@twotubefamily9323 3 года назад

He is dead

@berkeleysmith6630 3 года назад

@@twotubefamily9323 I know but if he survived

@shanenolan8252 3 года назад

Thanks good subject

@geviesanta3631 3 года назад

After the War of the Ring ended, I think most of the orcs would likely get completely wiped out from mere existence of Middle-Earth. Regardless if the rangers ever found them and then they subsequently kill them or that the remaining orcs would be forced to go on the run but they eventually get caught up by the elves or men anyways after the Battle of the black gate.

@geviesanta3631 3 года назад

@Karl Quetzacoatl Aww man, are you serious? I didn't know Tolkien would thought about Orc's fate to be that dark. Like that not only is their fates left sad but its also kinda of disturbing and gruesome if you ask me. 😒😒😒

@geviesanta3631 3 года назад

@Karl Quetzacoatl Man, after all these amazing efforts that he has put into his writings, even for creating such villainous characters like the orcs, I never thought that Tolkien actually had second thoughts, let alone other ideas he had for them. But unfortunately, with both Tolkien along with his son Christopher (who also helped write some of the lores too) now gone, we'll never know.

@nathantudor5763 3 года назад

As far as I am aware the surviving orcs were given the area of Mordor southeast of the sea of Nurn, and were forbidden to leave it. Don’t quote me on it though as I can’t remember where I even read it…

@danielwilliamson6180 3 года назад

Good video.

@joannakleinheksel-horn3494 3 года назад

I loved that! :-)

@thelordchancellor3454 2 года назад

Regarding the Orcs, an idea I've had is that they may have been freed from their dark natures by the defeat of Sauron, so that they were no longer evil or cruel beings and may have began to resemble their elven ancestors, at least in spirit or character. Perhaps they were not able to sail the straight road to Valinor, but were freed in middle earth and allowed to live in peace until their race came to an end like the dwarves.

@Emberheart_ 3 года назад

I always imagine that the elves-turned-orc returned to the halls of Mandos when they died, probably spending a long time to reconnect with whom they once were, while orcs born as orcs do not. If the latter by some means do end up in the halls of Mandos, they're probably cast through the doors of night to be wherever Morgoth is.

@taylorking7467 3 года назад

I feel bad for the orcs. It means if your broken you can't fix yourself or even given a chance. Their influences are gone

@K9TheFirst1 3 года назад

Tolkien greatly regretted that aspect of the Orcs, because it defies his Christian beliefs of Redemption. And I have heard rumors - though I am sure that the host of this channel might be better equipped to confirm this - that Tolkien had WANTED to include a band of good Orcs - or at least, less antagonistic Orcs - but couldn't think of a way to do it seamlessly.

@MrSamurai137 3 года назад

@@K9TheFirst1 I feel the orks are mode much worse by the System they are in and with out morgoth or sauron they true danger level is lowered. As they just are able to organise their hate just like the ring self destroys think orks could not thrive in there design.

@aleksander8497 3 года назад

We could imagine a segment of orcs that were not fully evil survived the war of the ring and perhaps continued in the fourth age.

@MrSamurai137 3 года назад

@@aleksander8497 are orks evil or are they court in the cycle of evil? I don’t not think a ork means to be good or evil I think the are mindless mostly but twice and use by the evil ones

@polecat7377 3 года назад

I think the Orcs play a good foil in a way - that tragedy exists, and that evil is an inescapable reality. No matter what influences a person is raised under, some people for absolutely no reason at all just do awful things and are completely nonplussed by it. That you can do everything right, and still create a monster.

@jman9352 2 года назад

So much history and lore in these great books! He was a true master of his craft.

@dmdebruijn 10 месяцев назад

Well met my friend- well met indeed!

@jdatkin8601 3 года назад

I always hold that the orcs are redeemable. They did what they did without choice, can slaves be held responsible for the evils of their masters? I hope that following the fall of Sauron they wandered far and were not pursued too zealously by man. Undoubtedly they would have come into clashes with man and the remaining elves but, over time, perhaps these clashes happened less often. I wish for them to find peace, a river valley somewhere with good game and good fishing, time to breathe and discover who they are as a people and as individuals. I hope orc children run and play in babbling brooks while older orcs snooze under leafy trees. I hope they found contentment. One day perhaps men find them again, hundreds of years after the last sighting of orcs. Maybe none yet live that remember the days of the war between them. My final hope is that the meeting is one of peace, that men seek to trade and orcs have large, fat pumpkins and strong dark beer plenty enough to share.

@foxpro3002 3 года назад

now that would be nice

@istari0 3 года назад

It could make for a great piece of fan fiction if someone wrote a story about finding a dwarven city buried deep in the Alps, the Rockies, the Andes, or the Himalayas.

@thehackingburger3002 3 года назад

When I was a very young teen, I took a trip with my family to Tennessee to see the Smoky Mountains. Coincidentally, it also happened to be my first time reading the Hobbit. I still remember sitting on the balcony of our motel reading, and every time they mentioned the Misty Mountains, I would look up at the ACTUAL misty mountains in front of me, and imagine that they too must be hiding caves of goblins or dragons' lairs! In fact, there was a dangerous road that snaked through the mountains literally called "The Dragon!"

@carlfromtheoc1788 3 года назад

The dwarves got taller and became known as the Swiss - bearded, live on/in mountains, create incredible items, lust for gold. I'm telling you, the Swiss are the descendants of dwarves.

@user-td4gh6kj2z 2 года назад

The conclusion you have for the non-men races is always a sore spot to me in science fiction, because to me it speaks like a long lost tale of a world forgotten by time, and all these great creatures and peoples existed and simply faded away to time. Its sad, cuz it means we are kinda like the distant future of that world.

@slicerneons3300 3 года назад

Sadly after the Elves leave, the Dwarves fading into obscuruty, and Hobbits turning to care after theur own affairs the magic of Middle Earth is lessened and stories set after the Lord of the Rings would not be as special. Then again our world has no magic but is pretty special in its own way.

@etinarcadiaego7424 2 года назад

Magick is everywhere in our world but it can be pretty difficult to tap into.

@slicerneons3300 2 года назад

@@etinarcadiaego7424 Whether you be a hippie or a cultist, I reject such notions.

@03.achyuthans39 3 года назад

I'd like to think that the blue wizards and radagast return to the west.. I mean they were still true to their cause as much as we can see.. and they are Still uncorrupted Maia.. and their home is the west

@elderscrollsswimmer4833 3 года назад

I think Radagast took an apprentice to care for the animals before riding an Eagle back home. He just wouldn't leave the poor critters unaided.

@supernovaproductions4892 3 года назад

Yay

@TheLordUrban Год назад

I like to think that a few scattered examples of dwarves, dragons, trolls and disembodied elves remained even until early in our current age and that is where our stories about them come from.

@MrFarnanonical 3 года назад

9:42 I like to think the Ents laid down roots and just went to sleep.

@Sportsfilmappreciator 3 года назад

I love, love your videos, content, music, tolkienian knowledge and voice. But speaking of voice, and I hate to nitpick, it just sounds like you’re speaking from slightly further away, a different mic could possibly help. Your question about the fate of the orcs is a great one, I thought I read in one of Tolkien’s letters that the orcs need to fight, to have a purpose, and without Sauron/Morgoth, they would fight amongst themselves and end up dying. I don’t believe it was written anywhere that they were destined for the elves fate, such as an immortal life, and may have instead had shorter life spans than humans.

@shadowofchaos8932 3 года назад

My favorite part of Sunday. I speculate a new central city near Celebrant fields in the Fourth age. Men would travel and trade the Anduin River.

@Thomas.Wright 3 года назад

I'm pretty sure that at least five of the race of Durin migrated to Italy and formed a metal band. I'm also pretty sure that at least one of them ended up in Scotland and became a world famous pirate.

@TheSaneHatter 3 года назад

I don't think Tolkien was at all ambiguous that Men would finish off the last of Morgoth's creatures, once and for all. At the same time, it's also likely that they dwindled and diminished the way the Elves did. But we can debate how long those processes took, and just as Tolkien's elves are meant to be the greater, mightier forerunners to the little elves and fairies of our myths, that the orcs were meant to presage the tinier, weaker goblins of the same, who may have persisted in some corners for a long time. But if the tales of the more benign HOBgoblins have any truth to them, then I hope that somehow, some of the orcs got the redemption they deserved. Indeed, a lot of the Dark Lord's creatures may have lingered into historical times, however diminished, and been remembered in stories: Beowulf's foe Grendel, for example, could easily have been a troll. We can only hope they are not still waiting for us, somewhere, for the vampires and werewolves are most certainly having a renaissance in the modern world! I had never heard of these "Houseless" creatures, but they might go a long way towards explaining dark, fey creatures such as the Irish Banshee. And lastly, I have always been partial to the Rankin-Bass explanation of the Hobbits' fate, may I be forgiven for saying it, that they grew back to something like Men and merged into the human race, leaving you and me to wonder, "Is there Hobbit . . . in ME!?"

@mattturner6017 2 года назад

My understanding is that the Orcs were designed from the beginning to be dominated by Morgoth, to be his puppets in a way that Balrogs and Dragons would never be. For lack of a Morgoth, a Sauron, or even a Saruman to exert the will of domination over them, the Orcs had their figurative strings cut, and they were no longer a horde acting with one will, but merely a large group of profoundly selfish individuals. As Tolkien describes it, the Orcs basically either killed themselves, killed each other, made a vain attempt to fight the Men of the West, or else fled to deep, dark places to hide and eventually die. In my opinion, those Orcs not directly killed in battle wandered aimless and fearful until they died from essentially their inability to provide for themselves. I imagine the last Orc died cold and starving in a forgotten cavern far underground, fearful that leaving the cave to look for food would be the death of him anyway.

@jwouter 3 года назад

But what about Tom …. You forgot about Tom…..

@thehackingburger3002 3 года назад

Let's be honest here, what would he even begin to say. XD

@SamCreecy 3 года назад

That was a great explanation of the End. Problem is, US ! Yes, I agree the Orcs faded even as the Elves might have. The question is how would Mandos put up with Orc spirits ?

@karinanalbandyan3009 3 года назад

Tolkien’s Red book of Westmarch describes the source of books LOTR and Hobbit. Tolkien had a very rare, magical experience that lasted for over 20 years. He saw visions. He heard an unknown language. He was channelling through him complete Elven mythologies, forgotten histories. Here is one such vision that Tolkien experienced; It was during Advent of the year 1913-December 12, to be exact-that I resolved upon the decisive step. I was sitting at my desk once more, thinking over my fears. Then I let myself drop. Suddenly it was as though the ground literally gave way beneath my feet, and I plunged down into dark depths. I could not fend off the feeling of panic. But then, abruptly, at not too great a depth, I landed on my feet in a soft, sticky mass. I felt great relief, although I was apparently in complete darkness. After a while my eyes grew accustomed to the gloom, which was rather like a deep twilight. Before me was the entrance to a dark cave, in which stood a dwarf with a leathery skin, as if he were mummified. I squeezed past him through the narrow entrance and waded knee deep through icy water to the other end of the cave where, on a projecting rock, I saw a glowing red crystal. I grasped the stone, lifted it, and discovered a hollow underneath. At first I could make out nothing, but then I saw that there was running water. In it a corpse floated by, a youth with blond hair and a wound in the head. He was followed by a gigantic black scarab and then by a red, newborn sun, rising up out of the depths of the water. Dazzled by the light, I wanted to replace the stone upon the opening, but then a fluid welled out. It was blood. A thick jet of it leaped up, and I felt nauseated. It seemed to me that the blood continued to spurt for an unendurably long time. At last it ceased, and the vision came to an end.[40] Here’s more information on this; beccatarnas.com/tag/dreams/

@bwunukey 3 года назад

I wonder if men eventually would develop space technology and leave arda. And if the valar and eru illuvatar would allow that

@TheCheese1988 3 года назад

They did, in 1969.

@nathantudor5763 3 года назад

If they did it would have all been part of eru illuvatar’s plan anyway

@KipIngram Год назад

It really IS fun to think of this all as our own history. I read it, and I find myself wishing it could be true - just... very old.

@luvslogistics1725 3 года назад

Always wandered about the Variags of Khand, Sea of Nurn, Far Harad, and Rhun…also further East where Cuivienen was…what peoples lived there?

@3lric81 2 года назад

they developed a drug to smoke that made them daydream, then a western seafolk took advantage of that fact and it all ended up in a horrible drugwar. Some call these folks bri'ish and chineses in modern tongue.

@genghisgalahad8465 3 года назад

(RotK book SPOILER) Shelob: Um, I didn’t get the “extinction/dying out”memo. 🕷 sorry, what was that now?

@jamesfrost2399 3 года назад

I like to think that she endured.

@genghisgalahad8465 3 года назад

@@jamesfrost2399 like the spirit of Sauron in the films.

@jakeaurod 3 года назад

I like that song at the end, "Get Your Ticket" is it? Although, it sounds a lot like "Change the World" by Eric Clapton.

@andrewvarney5687 3 года назад

Hey Yoystan, I have a few questions for you.................................... 1) What if the Witch King gets his hands on the One Ring? 2) What if no other elves are Present at Helm's Deep? 3) Can we consider Elrond just as guilty as Isildur in not destroying the Ring? (In the Movie Elrond just stands there, while the new King just struts out like a big shot)

@nathantudor5763 3 года назад

I can answer number two, as it happens in the books. Pretty much the same but with no elves, in the books lothlorien and Rivendell fight against the orcs of Moria, Gundabad, amgmar and the mountains up north. They never went to helms deep.

@kaidorade1317 3 года назад

I believe Ratbag went off as a traveling merchant selling “authentic “ trinkets. You can’t kill off my boy!

@rikk319 3 года назад

Ratbag?

@ladyalaina42 3 года назад

A lot of speculation here. I only consult the Appendixes. Lots of fan fiction no doubt. Where do I find some? Fun.

@joshuapaulson9116 3 года назад

It's Fascinating researching what Tolkien wrote. There is genious behind his works. A very methodical and careful way he crafted his world. Being a man of strong faith, perhaps a higher power moved through when he made his stories. I would love to think that the stories of middle earth are all the very least a reflection of our own history, and that a lot of the greatest people and stories have be lost to time or reduced to myth or legend. It's makes me realize that our own future could have a fantastic climax and great ending for all to behold...if you believe in such things as I do.

@aleksander8497 3 года назад

It's unlikely elves and orcs had any link at all when it came to their spirits or the afterlife.

@stephenleggett4243 3 года назад

Bit late in coming to this but hay. Tolkien had plans for the return of orks, forgotten as myths by the free people. Even without that, there is little doubt in my mind that orks, trolls and the like would always find someone willing to take them in, protect them till they reached significant numbers, with the goal of using them for there own ends. They would be less than they were though.

@Valdagast 3 года назад

I wonder what happened to Tom Bombadill.

@BloodOfYeshuaMessiah 3 года назад

*As long as there remains greed, anger and lust in the hearts of men there will always be war and death. Likewise, what we choose to do with the time given to us determines our fate in the hereafter...which is eternity. Like the path of horrors that took Frodo to Mordor and his eventual victory over Sauron, this path of ours has already been laid out for us by Christ Himself. The only question is whether, like Frodo, we choose to take that path to victory...or continue to live our lives for no ones benefit other that our own self gratification...die...and fade away like a marooned elf that has chosen not to go to the west.!*

@robertsommers5373 3 года назад

What kinda healing goes on in middle earth ? And as I to like pipeweed did it heal in some way ? I seen the magic in middle earth but could Gandalf heal as good as say the elves?

@klaustrumputin-trudeau4142 3 года назад

I believe that Galadriel "helped" Gandalf the Grey become Gandalf the White and brought his dead ass back to life. Zombie Wizard.

@magister343 2 года назад

I prefer to think that redeeming the Orcs is the primary mission of the Blue Wizards. We don't see them much because they were never intended to deal with elves or humans, and might even have taken on an Orcish appearance themselves.

@thedreadtyger 3 года назад

Because their maker (or rather, their un-maker) could not create and bring forth living beings, but only corrupt them, the Orcs also lacked generative power. They died out, defeated, alone, and twisted into that misery that malevolence always brings. Their vegetal and animal souls decayed, loveless, with the bodies; their rational souls having been torn from them by their torturer and in the mercy of Eru their True Creator, found solace and healing in the hall of the Lady of Sorrow and at last rejoined their kind in Aman.

@mitchellwright5478 3 года назад

Technically if the second Music of Ainur took place after Dagor Dagorlad couldn’t that theoretically have created our ‘universe’ and history in, Tolkien’s works obviously?

@04nbod 2 года назад

Orcs aren't necessarily corrupted Elves. Tolkien never resolved that. The second song and Arda remade is very interesting to me. I love to see a video on that. Tom Bombadil suggests it's going to happen, Galadriel seems to believe it. Finrod and Andreth seem to discover this plan themselves in their discussion. Tolkien's ideas changed on it over time just like the Dagor Dagorath

@mojosbigsticks 3 года назад

And Old Tom watched it all and sang.

@kingturt2112 2 года назад

The fate of Goblin Town I theorise that the Goblins would probably get one of their higher ranked member's to lead them since the Great Goblin died and since they live in a dangerous part of the misty mountains they would probably live for many age's to come

@charlespfaff6585 3 года назад

I believe the hobbits grew larger and begun to intermix with men. Ever been in a very well run restaurant where the food is good and the staff seem happy? I bet the owners have some hobbit in their blood.

@imherkhan 3 года назад

Thank you for feeding my unquenchable need for input as an INTP.

@DISTurbedwaffle918 3 года назад

Watching and reading Lord of the Rings: "Wow, cool and interesting epic story!" Looking too deeply into the themes of Tolkien's work: "Everything is withered, the world trudges ever onwards, and the light of the past fades ever dimmer until the end of days."

@thehackingburger3002 3 года назад

Yep, basically. ;) :p

@rikk319 3 года назад

For a man of his religious beliefs, losing his parents so early, seeing friends die in war, and the loss of his beloved English countryside to technological development and sprawl, it isn't surprising that his worldview was that things just get worse.

@DISTurbedwaffle918 3 года назад

@@rikk319 His religious beliefs also influence a sort of sad optimism. Even once things get so horrible, bleak, and dull, there is the guarantee of one final victory of good over evil at the end of it all. Helm's Deep is ready to fall, but Gandalf rides at the head of an army of horsemen to liberate the fortress. Seven-tiered Minas Tirith is falling, just for the Rohirrim and then King Elessar to come to the city's aid and put Sauron's armies to the sword. Sauron's victory at the Black Gate is absolute, Elessar is about to be slain, when Mount Doom erupts, Barad Dûr falls, and the legions of the Dark Lord are dispersed. The world is doomed, but at least it's a good doom.

@calebowen2006 2 года назад

Men were the most numerous and hence had the largest gene pool, it could be possible that intermingling between dwarves, Hobbits, and men lead to assimilation of the minority factions into the larger faction explaining height and body type differences of men as well as occasional cases of dwarfism even in the present if enough of their gene pool aligned. Similar to how Neanderthal's are believed to have been assimilated to some degree into our own species today

@Doubbiguy 3 года назад

IMO Dúrin the VII is the hope/prayer of the longbeards. They want believe that they can reclaim their past glory and Dúrin the VII epitomes those hopes

@kimopuppy 3 года назад

A what-if situation for you.... What if Frodo did not have the Mithril vest?

@donaldbadowski290 3 года назад

The answer to at least three of the races can be found in The Hobbit, of all places. You are introduced and have to have explained to you what a Hobbit is. But then you meet the Dwarves. You didn't have to be told about them, because you grew up with fairy tales about them, seven of them in one story I believe. Later we meet Elrond, mighty among Elves and Men. Did you have to be told what an Elf was? And a little later you meet Goblins, Orcs. Did you have to be told what a Goblin was? Probably not, because such creatures live in our world, lurking in dark places and only coming out to torment you on special occasions, like Halloween. Later we meet the Wood Elves. Now think for a moment. When you first read about them, did it seem right and natural that Elves should exist in the woods? Of course it did, and it probably brought up an image of a tribe of Peter Pans. Yes, I know, Peter Pan was not as Elf. But I've always imagined the Avari, those Elves who refused the Summons and stayed in the East, developing into a Peter Pan line existence, totally different from the Elves of the West. Dragons? There had to be some left, diminished in size and strength. After all, the concept of Dragons exists all across Eurasia. And Saint George had to have had at least one Dragon to slay. So if you are looking for the fates of these races, look to the fairy tales you grew up with. Tolkien wrote The Hobbit to be somewhat relatable to children. But he wrote his later work more seriously, joining our fairy tale perceptions to the mythology of pagan Europe.

@oliverproctor8889 3 года назад

Just because I can, first.

@christianali5431 3 года назад

George R.R. Martin: kills off all of his beloved characters. J.R.R. Tolkien, the best out of all of us: kills off his entire universe and everything he worked so hard to create, after his heroes saved the world.