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Pepperball TCP firing Grimburg JULs up to 36 Joules on metal target & 1.5-year reliability update 

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Testing the Pepperball TCP with the Milsig heat-core o-ring (Grimburg version) tuned up for high power. In this video I'm using 8g Grimburg JULv2 projectiles and the Grimburg 5" bore-matched barrel to do some chronograph readings and destruction testing on a metal sheet. This combination results in up to 36 Joules in this test using 12g CO2 in a T8.1/9.1 magazine and all 8 shots are above 20 Joules. This video doesn't go into how many turns on the velocity setting because I use a chronograph and know from experience how to optimize the power setting to get the best compromise across the full magazine. With that said, it's getting close to a max setting. Other upgrades have also been made to improve reliability and power across all 8 shots. These topics will be the subject of later in-depth break down videos. Not everyone will want to push the marker to this level and I will try to guide you in your decision-making process.
The two most important aspects of using air pistols as less lethal weapons are power and reliability. These go hand-in-hand and one is not more important than the other. Here, I discuss my experience with the TCP over the past 1.5 years testing it at gradually increasing power settings. It has been a work horse with a lot of shots put through it during this time frame. Having durability over time is of critical importance and I give my thoughts on the TCP in this regard. This is only the beginning of a longer conversation so please comment on any questions you have that I can address in the future.
I am an end user and consumer like you. I don't upgrade or sell these launchers for profit. I will not do that in the future either. There are other RU-vid channels that specialize in that sole purpose and you should see those if you are a potential consumer. The overriding goal of the Less Lethal section of this channel is to provide as much information as I can that is free of conflicts of interest. You can then decide what is best for you and your self defense needs (and budget). I have a different point of view and opinions from many other Less Lethal channels. Stay tuned and subscribe for my input as I get more detailed in my discussions and work to sort out the hype from reality in the growing less lethal field.
Disclaimer: These are fun but they are not toys. Treat them as you would a firearm and follow basic rules for gun safety.
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@lesslethalfordummies
@lesslethalfordummies 2 года назад
Great video. Great content. One can buy these all kitted out but as you mentioned its more then that to keep them up to snuff. Understanding the mechanics helps tremendously.
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
Right on. 👍 That’s my goal, to teach the basics for beginners in a clear way. I’m not an expert either so I don’t readily assume that everyone can maintain a souped up marker properly without going through the learning curve. It’s a rite of passage if you’re going to rely on a less lethal for your protection.
@laidbck2x172
@laidbck2x172 2 года назад
You can get one from Grimsburg if they have any in stock. Also if you do it yourself make sure you replace the stock O-rings as they will not be able to hold up under the increased power.
@swamivandermerwe
@swamivandermerwe 2 года назад
Mango,Mango where is Mango the Cool Cat❤️😍
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
Mango stays away when the pop pop begins. Come to think of it, everyone leaves me alone when I’m in the “range”. 🤔
@327h7
@327h7 2 года назад
If it stops the bad guy it is a good thing , because a bullet ( 223 round) from AR15 has ( drum roll ) 1800 JULs and AK 47 2100 JULs ! It is scary .
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
Absolutely agree. Use the minimum amount of force needed. Easier said than done though, but it’s worth investing in LL to cover the statistical majority of self defense situations.
@kevm3
@kevm3 Год назад
Yep, all about using the proper tool for the job. ARs and AKs look intimidating and sound great on paper for home defense, but shooting one in the house is a completely different matter. They are extremely loud and the risk of hitting an unintended target and doing lethal damage on them is much higher than a 'less lethal' tool. The purpose of AKs and ARs are to be multipurpose killing tools capable of killing people up to hundreds of feet out. That simply isn't needed for home defense. Also, I don't think a lot of people are prepared for the PTSD that would result from seeing someone's disfigured body leaving a pool of blood on your kitchen floor. "Lethal" has it's place, but I'm glad to see more less lethal options come out.
@randyvogt82
@randyvogt82 5 месяцев назад
Less lethal is the perfect compliment to a real gun. LL will allow you to defend yourself without a big ordeal you’d have if you used a gun. Plus it’s a lot less complicated 😉
@tyronetrump1612
@tyronetrump1612 Месяц назад
​@@kevm3 a 5.56/ .223 platform is absolutely good for home defense. Forget " loud" - LAST thing you are worrying about - they ALL are loud, adrenaline will handle that. You are talking about a round that is 50 -60 -ish grain- once it hits an object it loses much of it's velocity. Not saying it won't go thru walls but it will go thru way less walls than any other round especially pistol calibers (and yes the shotgun too which the ill informed believe is the best home defense weapon) . You deal with over penetration by hitting your target and I will guarantee you one has a much better chance of hitting that mark with a long gun or a pistol cartridge carbine.... AND you have 30 rounds. Give your wife a pistol and an AR and see which she is more comfortable with and hits the target with. You also want the capability to reach out and touch someone at a further distance than a pistol if needed - up close and personal shit doesn't fly in personal defense. Just about every tier one hostage rescue, CT unit in the world - civilian and military uses the short barrel AR platform for room clearing AK = 7.62 = yes by all means a terrible round for home defense.
@wizard_zoso9369
@wizard_zoso9369 2 года назад
This make me wanna Dump the Byrna Kit for this. But can it be carried like the bryna in a bag or holster ?
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
The Byrna vs. TCP/FSC is comparing apples and oranges, each comes with benefits and drawbacks. Yes, the TCP/FSC is quite a bit more powerful and can be carried in either a bag or holster but not concealed as well as the Byrna due to the bulkier size. I prefer a small carry bag but mine is not the best because it's over the shoulder and could be wrestled away. An around the waist runner's bag is probably the best to keep it close to the body. I don't carry my TCP much so I'm still working through when/how to do it. I do have some videos coming up on these types of practical aspects of EDC because I agree with you it's an important topic. Stay tuned!
@wizard_zoso9369
@wizard_zoso9369 2 года назад
@@ScaredyCatTactical Thank You so much i gonna take notes on this one.
@rightminddrive
@rightminddrive 2 года назад
Do we know when the 8g JUL round becomes lethal? I'm looking at a gun that shoots 43 joules, it's fully built n tuned w/ springs and barrel and such. But I don't want something too powerful...
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
Great question. I hope your new launcher is backed by some type of warranty and I do suggest that all new users learn how to break it down for routine maintenance. In my opinion, 43 Joules is right in the sweet spot for a good less lethal range. Mid-30s to mid-50s is generally sufficient for unarmed attackers to buy time or induce a change of mind. I always recommend that less lethal power stay away from 55+ unless you don't have access to a firearm to escalate with. If this is your sole weapon against armed and unarmed then that's a very different consideration. With that said, headshots are potentially lethal in the 30 Joule range but nobody really knows so use those only as a last resort.
@Rice4Life13
@Rice4Life13 2 года назад
Great set up. Crazy power. A head shot could be fatal. How many turns back from max do you have it?
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
To be honest I don’t know exactly for these shots. When I lube the spring pad o-ring I count turns from flush and then rest it at that point when I am done. I think it was a good 10 turn in. My guess is that it is 1-2 away from max. I’ll be doing maintenance videos soon and I’ll be sure to determine it and discuss at that point. So stay tuned and subscribe for the latest updates.
@mclx3
@mclx3 Год назад
In your opinion what is best number of revolutions on the velocity setting (for solid rubber projectiles) on the TCP PepperBall launcher. For home defense use.
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical Год назад
I use 9 turns of the velocity screw from flush. That’s not maxed out but has consistently been a great compromise between power on the first two shots vs the last two shots. Thanks for the question. Hope that helps.
@mclx3
@mclx3 Год назад
@@ScaredyCatTactical Thank you for answering my query. I am a first time TCP owner, and channel has been very helpful. Thanks again for your help
@enerbot283
@enerbot283 2 года назад
In addition to the Milsig heat core and Grimburg barrel upgrades, did you upgrade your air chamber with a ZRam steel version ? Did you upgrade (shim) the springs in the trigger/regulator mechanism (increase reliability, not power) ? Did you upgrade the power pin with ZRAM steel version ? Did you tune your pressure valve release ? Did you screw the speed adjustment screw to the max ?
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
I did the regulator reliability mods (Less Lethal PSI Defence Channel) and the PRV delete (Daniel Sterling kit). I have the velocity adjusted about 1-2 turns from max. I did a few other smaller upgrades of o-rings and some shimming that I'll talk about later. Not really interested in the Z-RAM upgrades because I want to keep the TCP very compact.
@smokingunclefrank6037
@smokingunclefrank6037 2 года назад
Great video now I know I defiantly want one like the fact that they use metal detents did you put anything like the PRV Delete kit in yours thats what I did with both my FSC & T8.1 you'll be amazed at the difference if you do also you mentioned shooting pepper balls can you shoot them at the velocity you currently have your gun set to I've been trying to find out how high you can get away without breaking them in a gun like the ones were using without having to turn things up and down every time
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
Yes, I did the PRV delete and it makes the trigger assembly much tighter and best of all it saves on air throughout the mag. I also highly recommend it to others every chance I get.
@shokojimhollingsworth3940
@shokojimhollingsworth3940 2 года назад
If you intend to use hard ball/riot balls is it just better to go with the first strike fsc with a barrel upgrade? Secondly, I’m assuming with all your power upgrades to this, pepperballs will break in the barrel now?
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
Good questions. You can certainly use the FSC platform instead of the TCP. Check out my newer videos regarding some potential legal caveats that you should consider before that first purchase though. Everyone's jurisdiction and personal needs vary so I'm never absolute in my advice but I do put it out there to help potential buyers. The FSC platform is great, modular, and powerful but it has a downside. As far as breaking Pepperballs, it's looking like you can shoot them up to 25-30 Joules reasonably safely but I'm still concerned about the mag-fed system and breakages in the launcher. One break at the wrong time and you've made a bad situation much worse. I have successfully experimented with muzzle-loading the first round, check it out. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hOcZmO7u5JQ.html
@shokojimhollingsworth3940
@shokojimhollingsworth3940 2 года назад
@@ScaredyCatTactical Thanks for the reply!
@tyronetrump1612
@tyronetrump1612 Месяц назад
@@ScaredyCatTactical Ya know that legal thing lately has been a big concern in buying my first LTL launcher. In regards to a modded launcher a prosecutor could have a field day with you if things ever did get ugly and you maimed or killed someone or in a civil suit. They will paint that picture that you were trying to make a " terminator" style weapon and couldn't wait to use it on their poor helpless thieving client. Same thing for your EDC lethal pistols - many have had that thrown at them by prosecutors and lawyers even idiots that have "Moan labe" and other idiotic sayings engraved on their AR's. Thinking the best advice is buying a launcher made and advertised for protection and leave it alone. Also wondering if one would be covered if they bought a launcher modded by someone like Sterling or DK whose whole site and launchers are about "personal protection".
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical Месяц назад
@@tyronetrump1612 Well said! I personally believe that it's a big legal risk and we are one "accident" away from everything being changed. I don't think these 3rd party modder middlemen are sufficient. I believe the product needs to be branded Less Lethal by a reputable company.
@tyronetrump1612
@tyronetrump1612 Месяц назад
@@ScaredyCatTactical yuppers - I sure as hell do not want to be the first case law finding in " Tyrone vs State of Florida" Guess it's now the TRP or the Salt.
@lesslethaltexas9240
@lesslethaltexas9240 2 года назад
Thank you for the video. Random question. Is it bad to leave a TCP magazine loaded all the time (will the springs go bad)?
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
Not at all. The springs can stay compressed just as easily as they can stay elongated. Storage either way is fine. It’s the change from one state to the other repeatedly that reduces tension force gradually. But springs are really cheap so I don’t worry about it.
@kjhghhff
@kjhghhff 2 года назад
It would be great if you could list what you upgraded and where you purchased parts from in a single place.
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
The key upgrades are almost all available from Grimburg Less Lethal and/or Sterling Self Defense. A must is to go to a 12g CO2 in the mag and both companies are producing them from stock 6-round mags. The T8.1/9.1 mag I'm using was discontinued but smaller lighter versions are better despite the lower capacity (2 less rounds) and everybody loves them. The 5" barrel was from Grimburg and the PRV delete kit (VKS bolt spring, VKS sear spring, plugged regulator spring pad) was from Sterling Self Defense. He also has the actual VKS spring pad now which is just solid brass. For the TCP, the Grimburg barrel is optional if you want a couple more Joules over stock. I mentioned o-rings in a previous video (Flasc paintball, BUNA-N; via Amazon) which I use and are slightly improved over stock o-rings in regard to durometer.
@shawncrandall7189
@shawncrandall7189 18 дней назад
Hey quick question I use the grimberg solid balls and the vrx grimberg projectiles, but when I load the clip it sometimes shoots 2 balls/vrx at first. So does that have something to do with the clip / spring I know the springs have two different colors red and green
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 18 дней назад
Shooting 2 balls is usually a detent problem. Check those first and upgrade to a stiffer plastic if necessary. The red spring is stronger and I’ve never had problems using it with the heavier projectiles.
@mickmaszt4485
@mickmaszt4485 2 года назад
You said there are you tube videos where they upgrade and sell them already modded? Please share, cause I've yet to see that and would love to buy pre modded, thanks!
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
This is one of the rare "less lethal channels" that's not interested in profit. Henry at the Less Lethal PSI Defence Channel and DK Spencer are two high quality builders with big RU-vid Channels. Others such as Ronin 337 and Big C MagFed are doing some interesting builds as well. I'm sure you can find what you need. The community is growing.
@mickmaszt4485
@mickmaszt4485 2 года назад
Never heard of those channels but I'll take a look thanks for the insight 🙏
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
@@mickmaszt4485 Those guys are on the Less Lethal Facebook groups. Join a few of those and you’ll quickly find them on there regularly sharing what they have to sell.
@dougtodd9184
@dougtodd9184 11 месяцев назад
What was needed to get the higher power out of your TCP?
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 11 месяцев назад
Longer barrel and turn the velocity screw all the way clockwise. That’s all, but of course air chamber o-ring needs upgrading too. Other mods like better springs I have done are for reliability but not power.
@dougtodd9184
@dougtodd9184 11 месяцев назад
Are those bigger magazines still available?
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 11 месяцев назад
Unfortunately they were discontinued by Tiberius/First Strike. But they might pop up on secondary markets occasionally for a premium price.
@granpopo1224
@granpopo1224 2 года назад
Hi, please tell me why when I fire a shot, several balls leave
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
There are a couple possibilities. First check your detents and make sure they are ok and not damaged. Next check that your projectiles are not too small for the barrel. If the barrel bore is too big then the detents might not be as effective when under air pressure. If these are not the issue, then the regulator may need an upgrade. Having double shots is relatively common from a stock FSC/TCP regulator because it's just not designed for the higher air pressures that we like to run. The PRV delete kit (Sterling Self Defense) worked pretty well for me in regard to this issue and it helps preserve air from the first high powered shots to give less decline in the later shots. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy shooting!
@granpopo1224
@granpopo1224 2 года назад
​@@ScaredyCatTactical thank you very much for your indications, I was thinking about the ball detents because if I put the magazine a little quickly, the balls come out of the barrel....
@granpopo1224
@granpopo1224 2 года назад
@@ScaredyCatTactical please where do you find the PRV delete kit (Sterling Self Defense) ?
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
@@granpopo1224 He’s working on a website but you can reach him by email at danny69726972@aol.com. Also check out the Less Lethal Facebook groups and you’ll find his profile and posts under Daniel F. Sterling.
@xpy1
@xpy1 2 года назад
I gave my gun 8 turns from factory How many fps do you think I’m getting
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
There are lots of variables but that's a pretty good velocity for shooting 8g JULs. I bet you are close to 300 FPS or maybe over for the first shot. Invest in one of the X-radar chronographs. They are worth it and then you don't have to guess anymore.
@xpy1
@xpy1 2 года назад
@@ScaredyCatTactical ok thanks I will
@xpy1
@xpy1 2 года назад
Will that use Fsc magazine and the grimburg matched barrel
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
Yes, I have used it with FSC magazines, Pepperball TCP magazines, and T8.1/9.1 magazines. All of them work great in the TCP. No problems so for after 1.5 years. And in this video I'm using the Grimburg 5" barrel and it adds a few Joules.
@1stclassmedia844
@1stclassmedia844 2 года назад
This is an FSC lol
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
@@1stclassmedia844 Basically they are very much the same. The internals are also very similar. The FSC stock barrel is inferior to the TCP stock barrel though.
@1stclassmedia844
@1stclassmedia844 2 года назад
@@ScaredyCatTactical my aftermarket fsc barrel is better than the stock TCP barrel 😉
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
@@1stclassmedia844 I have a barrel comparison video coming up. The stock TCP barrel was outcompeted by 2 other smooth bore barrels in my test. Stay tuned.
@makycaris4672
@makycaris4672 2 года назад
Damn that’s fatal if hit in head neck or bone breaker serious damage
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
Yeah head or neck is bad news. I would try other places first but that's a last resort.
@makycaris4672
@makycaris4672 2 года назад
You have to make sure you put him down otherwise if hit in different body part he can attack you and hurt u more
@thecryptoendgame
@thecryptoendgame 2 года назад
36 joules? The gavle pistol comes out at 36 joules out of the box, thank you .
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
It is going to be awesome for sure. Should be more reliable due to less parts and better parts. The only drawback is the 5 round limit and no chance to reload. You really have to make those shots count!
@thecryptoendgame
@thecryptoendgame 2 года назад
@@ScaredyCatTactical in a comment, grimburg said in a FBI report that 5 shots prevents or stops 93% of attacks. So I believe that’s why they felt comfortable with 5.
@ScaredyCatTactical
@ScaredyCatTactical 2 года назад
@@thecryptoendgame Yeah I agree with that and reloading is not trivial. It going to be great and smaller profile too.
@TaylorHaubrich
@TaylorHaubrich 2 года назад
@@thecryptoendgame hopefully only one attacker then huh?
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