One answer to the people who say "how can this be efficient using so much power?". The amount of power they have to bring in, is not relevant. If you replace 1 million trucks, you need power for 1 million trucks. If you replace one, you need power for one. The real question is: how much more efficiënt are they? A diesel truck does 6,5 miles on a gallon. A gallon is around 3.785 liters of fuel. A mile is around 1.609km. So, that translates to 3.785 liters of fuel on 10,46km or 2.76 km on 1 liters of fuel. There is around 10kWh of energy stored in 1 liter of diesel fuel. So 1km of driving a semitruck takes around 3,62kWh of energy. The energy needed to produce diesel is not taken into account in this number. A Tesla Semi uses up to 2kWh per mile, or 1.24kWh per kilometer. So the efficiency of a Tesla Semi is 3.62 / 1.24 = 2.92 times higher than a diesel semi truck. In other words: it takes almost 3x the amount of energy to move a diesel compared to an EV semi. And a truck that uses less energy, is cheaper to operate. If companies start buying these EV semi trucks, it's not because they like to save the planet. It's because they save 2 to 3 times the cost on fuel, every day, every year for every semi truck.
Bit the truck is way more expensive,plus charged needed,and battery life,in commercial service,unknown.Then,very few EV s seem to live up to makers claims.
@@keithhooper6123 Until we know any of the numbers we really can't make valid claim for or against EVs. If a company is doing the shift to EV it's likely worth it. Gotta please the bean counters.
Add to these stats a vastly reduced maintenance schedule and resultant costs. Brakes last and last, no engine fluids (well, coolant..) and future battery reconditioning advancements will make electric more and more attractive. Range will improve as more resources are directed at the sector.
750kW is some impressive charging power! When Tesla brings the Semi to Europe I might consider changing employer and join the team.... I believe it will take the market by storm. Good job Pepsi for leading the way👏👏👏
Probably the same thermal management system as you'd find in a Tesla car. They're doing just fine. 15-20% less range probably. It's really minor thanks to the heat pump system recovering heat from motors, batteries, computers, ...
Fantastic overview! It shows that Pepsi put a lot of work into this move to Tesla trucks, and continues to put in a lot of work to monitor the operation to understand it's efficiency and to optimize it. This is a big experiment for them. On the one hand I'm very impressed, on the other I'm a bit dismayed that the move to electric trucks took 3 years and so many smart people working on it.
Yes also how much cheaper is it than running diesel. How much cheaper are the electric trucks vs diesel trucks. I think at the end of the day its not cheap at all, because everything is expensive these days. No numbers spoken at all vs the oposite "diesel", that should tell you something that the whole thing is s scam in the end.
@rearspeaker6364 Well, even if that's true, and it's less true every year, burning diesel is a horribly wasteful way to make a vehicle move. Generating electricity with the diesel and then running a vehicle on it would still be over 30% more efficient thanks to the larger scale of the generators. That gives you an idea of the inefficiency of internal combustion engines.
Pepsico stated, "at a rate of $0.14 per kWh, the off-peak rate in Sacramento - this would result in a 23% fuel cost reduction over the most efficient diesel trucks." I don't know why everyone keeps missing that point.
Yet they never have once mentioned real numbers between the electric truck and diesel truck. Its all a scam, and then when the whole grid falls they'll blaming it on something else, then they'll try to replace electric cars.
That seems to be the key to success: the user's own customized recharging system. The "out of service" disease among public recharging sites is unacceptable.
“We run everything on Solar” … Next sentence “we had to bring in 3MW for this project” lol 🤦🏽♂️… How much are 3MW? 3,000,000 watts! The best solar panels make 450W… that means at least 7-8000 solarpanels only for 3MW… they don’t even have 1000 solar panels on their roof. That’s not even enough to Run the AC for that facility size… 2023 people are stupid!!!
@@freedomisnotnegotiable 3MW is the max service capacity, not the power they use at all times. Just like your house having a 200A service panel, but you don't use 44kW 24/7. They can also contract solar generation as source of their electricity so don't have to generate everything on-site with the panels shown in the video. Maybe learn a little about the subject before calling people stupid? Otherwise you just look, well, stupid.
You are also putting all the eggs in the same basket as you have that proprietary charging solution in your yard. Tesla Gigacharger (as they call it) has a very wonky plug, which can be used only with Tesla Semis. So these cannot be charged "in the wild", anyways. Not even with Tesla Superchargers.
Would like you to make a video where we follow a driver and you have to let the driver talk freely about his experience of this apparently super semi. Also feel free to talk about range and load quantities etc.
@@straighttalk2069 No, I don't expect that, but I would love for one of their drivers to talk about his experiences in a really deep way. Skeptical at the start, but now convinced that electricity is the way forward for that industry as well
Thanks for the upload. That gal sure can spin the corporate speak. I see they went BYD for their yard mules. I wonder how that's working out. Didn't see any Nikola Motors trucks. They're selling a pretty slick cabover with all the usual EV bells and whistles with pretty decent specs for an electric semi. They're also running them local and regional. It'll be interesting to see how the batteries do with relatively deep discharges and fast recharging. The facility power requirements are really something. They'll need to run a lot more dedicated circuits to expand. Depending on the charge schedule, they'll also need some serious upgrades to be 100% solar powered charging. We'll have to keep an eye on how this test works out.
The problem is these vehicles only work in warm climates like California, not places like the Midwest, Just ask the bus companies that purchased electric buses. They can only go a few blocks before needing a recharge
They only carry chips for the longer runs and maybe sodas a short distance. A fully laden soda truck is heavy and knocks down the battery fast depending on the terrain.
@@petebusch9069they never even talked real number vs the two trucks electric and diesel. It's all a scam, people just fall for it. I tell everyone that tesla run on coal and natural gas, cause thats what electricity comes from, so they actually havent solved the emmisions that goes in the air that they keep crying about. What a scam.
@@petebusch9069 i mean yeah batteries require mining and a lot of resources to product, but we need to mine more not less. we are a growing society and with that more resources are needed. This is less an environmental play and more a financial one, these trucks are 3x more efficient while having less parts to maintain.
@@petebusch9069many of us don’t care about the environment. Global warming is a myth. More EVs mean increased demand for coal and natural gases being used to supply electricity for EVs. It’s a win-win for everyone.
With price reduction in batteries and renewables the transition will be quite rapid. I drive a 1 tonne van and running cost reduction has been the biggest change
As a class one truck driver I am still looking for a Tesla tractor unit in a video where they show even just the back of a tractor unit let alone the coupling and un coupling of the trailer airlines .
Increidble achievement. I wish more companies would start doing electric trucks. You guys in America are so brave to pull this off, first in the world. Europe is still waiting, this needs to improve.
They are not an improvement. They weigh far more than an conventional truck so there is all the damage to the highway (and subsequent cost and CO2 emissions putting it right), then there is all the mining required in third world countries for the batteries.
I know here in central Wisconsin Pepsi has no near term use for EVs. We just don’t have the charging infrastructure in place yet. Plus most roads are 2 lane blacktop or gravel/sand/dirt roads
@@claytonbrown7100 _Full load as in >40,000lbs in the box?_ The flatbed towed by a Tesla Semi, accelerating rapidly up a steep slope on Donner Pass, passing a diesel semi as if it were standing still, here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LtOqU2o81iI.htmlfeature=share&t=985, was loaded with about 44,000 lbs. of concrete highway barriers. The dry van trailer towed by a Tesla Semi which drove 500 miles from Fremont, CA to San Diego, CA on 93% battery charge, including climbing and descending the 4,200 ft. Tejon Pass ("The Grapevine"), here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GtgaYEh-qSk.html&ab_channel=Tesla, was loaded with about 42,000 lbs. of pallets. So, yes.
@@The-Cat I dunno.. we will see where trends go right? The issue with hydrogen is.. its explosive as hell.. and because of that.. the biggest challenge is safely storing it.. and creating a storage solutions within the truck that wont easily puncture etc etc
@@The-Catand hydrogen is unsustainable for the simple fact that creating 0-emissions H2 is extremely costly. Currently over 90% of all hydrogen gas produced is made using fossil fuel, which creates CO2 and completely defeats the purpose of using hydrogen in the first place. By the time hydrogen technology & infrastructure advances enough to make it useful for fleets, battery electric technology will have advanced as well.
This needs quite significant infrastructure investment. That charger depot costs about $10 million including new sturdy electric supply lines. But as it is currently covered by 50% federal subsidies, the deal is easy to make. Did I understand correctly, that Pepsico or Tesla do not own the charging depot, but it is owned by a third party? It is also interesting to see, how fast the effective range is beaten out from those traction batteries when the charge cycles seem to be regularly 5% to 95%. That might end up spiking up Tesla's warranty costs, unless there is a clause for less than 18 months durability with 70% range left (or similar) on the contract.
The solar panels still produce a few milliwatts (combined total) from the sunlight reflected from the moon (depending of course on how clear of a night it is, moon phase, and position in the sky at any point in the night), fireflies, aircraft flying over, and possibly nearby street lamps which are getting their power from the grid. Just kidding. I mean maybe they do still produce some amount of negligible power at night but I just made that up. Full disclosure: I’m drinking cherry coke right now.
Just kidding about drinking cherry coke as well. I’m just trying to be funny but turned out to be flat out stupid. I’m sorry to have wasted your time, or entertained you, whichever it ended up being.
@@urbanteckwe currently don’t have the battery tech to support that unfortunately. i believe the way it works is the daytime solar gets redistributed to the grid and in return they receive credits which they use to pull from the grid at the night. but idk that’s an assumption.
In one of the overhead yard shots you can see the Tesla battery banks next to the charging stations. Re-charge at night at a lower rate, and use to charge during the day. If you can hook up with solar, you have free energy cost.(Less the cost of the installation). This is being done all over North America by the prime power suppliers to replace what are called Peak Power Stations which are used to add power to peak demand times, at a fraction of the cost of gas plants, plus no on-site employees are require to run them.
Driving a truck for a junk food company is not for a trucking company. A trucking firm makes a its living shipping and moving things. Pepsi is a company who's profits have little or nothing to do with moving their products around and is centered in this case in producing and distrubuting junk food; a very profitable business with very little positive consumer relations of late. So burning some money on 21 green EV trucks is called public relations Pepsi is green! Cool EV trucks!
The reason that diesel itself doesn't catch fire is it is not flamable at normal temprature and pressure. it isn't any more flamable than your cooking oil which usually can be used in place of diesel. A lithium battery can catch fire doing nothing. As for this italian accident - lets find the link; because diesel on a road shouldn't be able to catch fire; Perhaps it was gasoline. The mechanics of "two trucks crashing" means only one would need to have gasoline or another ignitable fuel on board. There are some diesel engine fires. diesel will burn under pressure, but all diesels have a fuel cut off to stop fuel going to the engine which puts out the fire. These are always due to improper use of the engine; so on a rare occasion some bad driver will not be in the truck when the first starts; and the fire can keep going. I am talking two trucks under proper operation by licensed drivers - a lithium truck can catch on fire and not be put out. A Diesel will not catch fire.
Time will tell all. Let's see how the big scale goes. Hopefully good. Next thing will be Pepsi goes out of business. Activists will push to end soda products after renewable are used.
i love how they consider 400 miles long range. Id love to see them somehow charge up in less than 3 hours on random chargers on the road. I doubt they have enough fast chargers anywhere to charge these trucks
So the Pepsi plant needs its own electric service...then the concrete plant down the road needs a new substation for their concrete trucks....then the garbage truck terminal needs a new substation for their trucks.....then the LTL terminal needs a new substation for all their trucks.....then the nearby truck stop needs a substation to charge all their trucks.....it's the Oprah Winfrey show. You get a substation, and you get a substation. Everybody gets a substation. The substation fairy will leave a brand new substation under your pillow if you're a good boy and finish your vegetables.
@@havenzhai5187 A 50x100 meter solar panel roof delivers about 0,5kWh/m2. 5000m2 delivers 2500kWh per day, you can full charge 3 trucks of 850kWh for free or 6 trucks 50%. It is a good deal. You only have to asses if you deliver excess power back to the grid or store it in a battery or spare truck. That's why you need a specialist like Tesla and grid company to figure out the best option.
@@s0012823 Where are they going to park that many solar panels? And how many trucks do they have? What happens when the sun doesn’t shine for a week? And lastly, who is going to pay for all that? The taxpayers should not have to shoulder any of that. By your math, if you 27 trucks, you would have to have 10 acres of solar panels. Do you honestly think that is reasonable?
These anti EV folks keep forgetting our own history…we wanted cars, the government built highways. We wanted airplanes, the government financed and built airports… what makes anyone believe that fossil fuels are also not heavily subsidized by our tax $$$, it is. Nothing turns whether old or new tech without substantial government grease…
OH PEPSI is a trucking company - so says LANEC. From Microtrends "PepsiCo, Inc. is the manufacturing, marketing, and distribution of grain-based snack foods, beverages, and other products. It's driven by a complementary food and beverage portfolio that includes Frito-Lay, Gatorade, Pepsi-Cola, Quaker and Tropicana. PepsiCo's product portfolio includes a wide range of enjoyable foods and beverages.' Gee funny they don't mention trucking revenues LANEC. There are none.
I spent a short time in trucking and one thing I don't hear in these salespitches is payload capacity. Obviously these trucks require very heavy batteries which takes up VALUABLE payload space which isn't emphasized here. I feel like we're being duped with these toys. Range means nothing if you can't haul as much product. Less product demolishes fuel efficiency
Nice trucks, but if correct, these Tesla Trucks they DONT have sleepers built ito them, meaning that if a driver does one of those 450 mile drives, and if he wants to get some rest, he has to to to get some sleep while sitting in that drivers seat, right? Is the Tesla Semi a sleeper cab? It does not, however, have any sleeping arrangements for the driver. It's strictly a day cab configuration, meaning it's not suited for trips that take multiple days. Tesla's Semi is impressive in many different ways.
@@terrya6486 The maximum allowed weight of a fully laden electric semi is 82000 so you are saying the truck and trailer weighed around 4000 pounds? Really? The weight you quoted was probably the total weight , not the “cargo weight” which, even after all this time, Tesla have still not released which is a bit suspicious.
@@tatata1543 Your correct it was seventy eight thousand total pounds. There is a full length video of the entire drive. Is from fremont california to san diego california. The truck is fully capable of it. And pepsico in sacramento put a thousand seventy eight miles on one of those trucks in twenty four hours using three drivers. But that's not what it's really for. There's a Tesla semi, it runs from Modesto, California to Oakhurst, California. Every day and I got to see a few days a week. Saving more than six hundred dollars a day in fuel. The being counters are beside themselves the amount of profit that is is astounding.
Hello Autoselectronics; yes potentially one $200,000 charger could serve more than one Tesla Semi; but there are two problems. #1. If you attempt to share it at the same time; then the charge time doubles because you are splitting the power. #2 1 Truck =12 Ys, 2 trucks 24 Ys etc. Not many local grids can charge 12 or 24 Ys at once. Even in industrial areas with heavy duty grids you can't do more than a couple Semi's at once. So you have to schedule them one after the other. That could cause a line and delays; or it could mean you are constantly charging losing potential billing hours. Pepsi unlike a trucking company could possibly charge a number of trucks during the night; a trucking company has keep on trucking 24 hours.
@@rogerstarkey5390you don't understand how trucking works it still would take way too long to charge, many long haul loads are set appointments you can't be taking hours to charge...
the time to charge one of these trucks is only 25 mins from 5% to 95%,this all in managing your fleet up or down time, scheduling is all in your company business plan and strategy, where i work we have 100 electric forklifts and we run 24/7 and have to charge these when needed and it all works out in logistics, planning , trucking companies with diesel fleets have no better turn around time than Pepsi on average it is slower, been in the industry 40 yrs and seen the data for all across North America, its gotten better and is improving every year, it comes down to the owners of the business, are they looking ahead to future proof themselves/business to provide the customer with a reliable service product or be left behind, sure long haul, diesel is still king, these Tesla trucks are in the infancy stage and are seeing decent results and everyone has to crawl before they walk and they're walking pretty darn fast out of the gate I'd say , the barrier here is the human part mostly, not the technology part of this equation, it'll still take years until all this comes to the top, it all has no history or established data yet, lineage doesn't come overnight, nothing does, time will tell and if companies don't build in obsolescence in their BEV's this all could be a great thing in the future, time will tell
Wow 3MW. 😮 Imagine being a utility trying to balance loads like that for just one customer. Like a suburb's worth of power for one customer. A customer would want to set up grid frequency stabilisation systems with this kind of supply, like virtual power plant set up to offer back to the grid for a fee. In the long term, multiple customers would need to order that kind of power. I keep thinking 1.21 gigawatt!
amazon trucks typically run long distances, from facility to facility or state to state, which would not work due to a lack of infrastructure to support that. these local Pepsico trucks work because they always return to a home base to charge. Amazon has done last mile delivery electric already which works the same as the delivery vehicle returns back to a delivery center where there would be charging infrastructure
Note to Morgan Stanley, my primary and only per se Stock Markets employer, and to our colleagues at Citadel, who I choose to include in this memo for specific reasons at my discernment for sound reasons to everyone's advantage: Tesla Semi-Trucks are more powerful, far quieter(mostly an advantage, a slight disadvantage also, and are at least equal in agility, control and in speed Tesla's have general superiority compared to conventional Semi-Trucks. Let it also be noted that Tesla Semi-Trucks have zero polluting emissions and for a small diversity of reasons, a variety of powerful decision-makers will continue to economically nudge the transport markets toward lower emissions. Thus, Tesla stock is undervalued. My no-hedge recommendation is a strong value on Tesla ; If there is any stock branching, our focus is Tesla's Semi-Trucks, though the company is generally quite sound and in my strong opinion quite undervalued at present.
They get it for free from Tesla so that they will advertise it on roads and it is for short distances because it will be hard to find special charges for them everywhere !!
So will they put TA/Petro, Loves, Pilot/Flying J out of business? I understand they will have super chargers for these vehicles over the road but I don’t see how this brings down cost. Trucks break and with breakdown being unknown how will the companies compensate for that? Still interesting truck though
"Trucks break".... Consider this. Drive failure on a diesel? The truck stops. 1 motor fails on this truck? That motor disengages, the truck compensates (still with better performance) informs the driver. Within a minute or so, the driver gets a call from the local Tesla service (flagged by the truck) who advise that it needs a unit. They ask the driver where his planned overnight stop will be and his ETA. A mobile unit meets the driver at the location and the drive is replaced. Alternatively, if it's a light load, the driver can continue to a more convenient location, finishing the job. . Minimum downtime.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I see your point but one thing you are neglecting is parts shortage. Currently peterbilts, freightliners, Volvos, Mack’s all are on parts shortage. If every truck were to be Tesla you think Tesla could compensate for the part right away?
Frankly, being new/old tech (evs have been around for over 100 years) its hard to tell what total cost of ownership will be, their testing this stuff to see its viability. Same thing happened when motorized trucks took over from horse and buggie. The maintenance tho is supposed to be better, and given the simpler system (comparatively) the failures should be fewer and far between meaning that once bugs are worked out they should be rather solid. As for parts shortages, yes that will cause issues, but then again, a short part is a short part, doesn't matter if its diesel or EV. This stuff will happen, we can play the game of what if all we want but the only way to make this tech work is if people buy into it, show its faults, and then demand for better.
It doesn't matter much at this early stage. They'll be used where it makes the most economic sense. Most trucks are cubed out with a full trailer and not near the weight limit. As it all develops over the next 25 years they will slowly improve, as will the ROI.
@@davidmccarthy6061 It doesn’t matter to you but maybe the people paying for them might not agree . If a diesel rig can carry a lot more than an EV rig it will be much more cost effective (and probably much cheaper to buy the diesel rig). I’m far from convinced EV semis are a viable proposition for the industry. My suspicion is that Tesla aren’t saying because the capacity is so much smaller that it impacts its attraction as an investment. The fact they haven’t said after more than a year lends weight to that theory.
They had to bring in 3megawatts of power? So you have to bring in the equivalent to a towns worth of power just to support a few electric trucks and forklifts? How can that be efficient? Where does that power get sourced from? how much more emissions could be generated if from traditional gas or fossil fuel power plants?
The amount of power they have to bring in, is not relevant. If you replace 1 million trucks, you need power for 1 million trucks. If you replace one, you need power for one. The real question is: how much more efficiënt are they? A diesel truck does 6,5 miles on a gallon. A gallon is around 3.785 liters of fuel. A mile is around 1.609km. So, that translates to 3.785 liters of fuel on 10,46km or 2.76 km on 1 liters of fuel. There is around 10kWh of energy stored in 1 liter of diesel fuel. So 1km of driving a semitruck takes around 3,62kWh of energy. The energy needed to produce diesel is not taken into account in this number. A Tesla Semi uses up to 2kWh per mile, or 1.24kWh per kilometer. So the efficiency of a Tesla Semi is 3.62 / 1.24 = 2.92 times higher than a diesel semi truck. In other words: it takes almost 3x the amount of energy to move a diesel compared to an EV semi.
Nobody cares about the environment. It’s great that more batteries are being produced and it’s also great that more coal/natural gas are being used to generate the increase demand of electricity. The coal/natural gas companies get more money and customers from the increased demands and EV owners get their electricity. It’s a win-win.
Mountainous terrain is where the Tesla Semi has the greatest advantage over diesel semis; first, because they have 2-3 times the HP of diesel semis, allowing them to climb steep grades at highway speeds; second because regenerative braking removes almost all of the fuel penalties for steep climbs and descents; and third, because there's no loss of power at high altitudes, and in fact slightly better economy due to less air resistance. You can see a graphic example of this in the 500 mile range test, with a payload of around 43,000 lbs., climbing and descending the 4,200 ft. Tejon Pass ("The Grapevine") with almost no loss of range compared to running on level roads, here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LtOqU2o81iI.htmlfeature=share&t=1221.
A kilowatt is 1,000Watt, a megawatt is 1,000,000 Watt. A modern house in Europe will have around a 17,250 Watt watt connection, so a 3 Megawatt connection is about 174 connections for modern homes. That seems like a lot but on an industrial scale it's very small. A modern EPR nuclear reactor can deliver around 1,650 megawatts.
From an economic standpoint EV's are good for everyone, countries done need to be oil rich to be prosperous, because anyone can buy solar panels an power their own EV's
