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I like how in this ending we can basically imply that Dojima knew the Protagonist had something to do with Namatame's death because of his speech on "no one would step up to see justice done" and so "the closest person at hand had to bear the burden of punishing them". As if Dojima understood what the Protagonist had to endure and so he let it go.
Don't forget, it was his daughter that ended up dead. And in his eyes, Namatame was to blame for it. Sad thing is, it's not just him: It's also the players for shoving him into the TV, earning them the bad ending.
You are not supposed to end like this. It is your fault because you are doing the wrong thing. People only see what they want to see and if they make decisions based on that it would be the end of us.
Venomous Vince Yeah it is, though considering what happened to her in the past and the heat of the situation I can understand it. I had my moments of rage/vengeance like this before when I almost lost my father from a doctor who almost killed him from malpractice in a botched biopsy and is only half the man he is because of that doctor.
You may or may not know this, but this is exactly what a 'Reverse Fortune' would actually do; decide for the worst to happen onto others and yourself to 'solve' a problem. Which is actually scary bcuz this really does happen to a lot of ppl.
@@trinity_frost do you mean 3 and 5 are happier or darker than 4? Because although 3 is certainly darker, I would argue 5 has heavier topics than 4, but doesn't really handle them with enough gravity or maturity to make it seem truly dark. The entirety of 4 has this slightly unsettling atmosphere to it that really becomes clear in the final third.
People say persona 4 isn’t dark, but this is fucked up. Seeing how they are so willing to throw Namatame into the TV just gives me chills. Everyone goes out of character and their revenge takes over. Like when Naoto said “ stop begging it’s pathetic” that just really hit. And how the 3 girls were trying to stop them but felt powerless, this whole scene is just hard to watch. Also seeing dojima becoming all alone just absolutely breaks my heart because he’s been through so much shit.
A murder is dark, but compare it to: 1. The apocalypse 2. Demon invasion 3. Planetary destruction 4. The rebirth of the world 5. Multiversal destruction It loses by far when you compare it. And when people complain that it's too Happy, you know they mean the other 80% of the game (still a good game).
Dojima’s wistfulness and conviction is heartbreaking. You expect anger, or sorrow; either throwing himself into work or drinking himself to a stupor, but there’s just.... numbness and familiarity. He’s used to this longing and pain.
Losing a wife is bad enough...but NO parent should EVER have to outlive their children... I don't know if I would be able to take it if it ever happened to me...
@@authorbat5562 Especially the way he loses Nanako too.. the fact she's just a 8 year old child who probably experienced awful pain... It's very very terrifying, I always almost bawl my eyes out whenever I replay the game and I get to the part where Nanako legally dies.
I tried so hard to beat P4G without using a guide at all. Then I accidentally got this ending and well.... lets say i quit the game for a while and resorted to using a guide to get the true ending ;(
the game play with our emotions very well..it's really hard to not kill Namatame without a guide...but I think thats actually a good thing...showing how expert the game is...
On top of just having so many thought provoking endings, Nanako is the only kid character I've ever loved with all my heart. The thought of her dying is just devastating. Kudos to the writers of this game.
I see kids as little demons, I saw some kids punch each other for candy in my time. But Nanako is just so pure. Almost unrealistically pure, like I never saw a kid like her. I actually felt like I got shot when I heard the long beep of her heart stopping.
@@masterblaster2678 hell yeah! Nanako's being such a good kid despite her circumstances is a bit unrealistic but it's at least still plausible. Her ability to be so self reliant to the point she takes care of Dojima more than he takes care of is sadly just what she has to do in order to survive. At the same time, she doesn't accept Dojima's negligence completely as seen when she acts out and runs away, and effectively calling him out on his shit. She's still naive about some things and underestimated about others just like any other kid. She's extremely loving and grateful because she's so lonely. Her relationship with Dojima and the mc are so well thought out it brings a tear to my eye. ;u;
@@ryanvillena7807 Wich doesn't make sence. I like this inclusion of this ending but at the same time, I found unfair that Nanako only dies here without explanation.
@@alexismercado3944 things don't have to be literal all the time, they can be symbolic or have a greater meaning behind it. Killing Namatame turns them into murderers, what they sought to bring to justice, and as such, what they did was nothing short of killing nanako herself.
@@alexismercado3944 To be fair with the logic of the game, fog does have a negative impact on people's health, and in the words of many characters, the fog gets weaker every time you get closer to the truth. By killing Namatame you seal the truth permanently, so the fog gets stronger instead of receding
I beat persona 4 true ending last night, and seeing this now is so depressing, the posionus fog is still in inaba, nanako is dead, the team never found teddie, and the case was never completed..
yeah, I got this ending by my first try, and I was like, whaaaat? there must be some other ending for sure, but I thought I missed something for real (like, I've had to max out S-Link with Nanako for her to survive or something), but luckily, it was still not too late to save the day :)
@Yoda Goiw There's a sad ending for every palace, there's also one where you snitch on everyone helping you out throughout the game, there's also one where joker basically Becomes evil, there's also multiple in royal.
The little bit of dark irony here is that the team members who supported throwing Namatame in (Yosuke, Kanji and Naoto) were the ones level-headed enough to bring him out of the TV after the Heaven dungeon in spite of the iron clad assumption they had on him at the time. This says a lot about how much Nanako means to them or how the fog is actually taking effect on people, or maybe even both.
Empathy can be a double-edged sword. It's extremely useful when applied appropriately and necessary for the existence of a functional civilization, but it's also an inherently self-centered thing because you're using your own experiences to extrapolate how other people feel. It's a form of projection in a sense, asking "This thing the person I'm talking to is going through... how would I feel if it happened to me?"
The fact that Dojima lost his daughter after losing his wife too must hurt so much. The family he built up is gone, and even Nanako, a reminder of his wife, is gone. The only solace he can find is knowing his nephew was the one that brought Namatame to justice for his daughter, but even then, they aren't together. It's just Dojima by himself, more broken than he ever was. Seeing him still smile for Yu breaks my heart. He should be mourning.
@@Ultimate214 I'll do you one better. It's framed as if you were watching it all on the Midnight Channel. It's not totally visible, but you can see from the silhouette that it's obviously Namatame. You hear the audio clear as day. You hear him panic, cry and whimper as he pleads for his life as his Shadow and other Shadows in his dungeon get closer and closer to him. The Midnight Channel's signal starts to get fuzzy as the Shadows start to attack his body. The screams cut in and out. And as the signal loses power... just about to meet his demise... he screams one last time--and the Midnight Channel's signal goes completely dead, cutting off his scream at the perfect moment. And Persona 4's logo shows up one last time before fading to darkness. Could happen with or without the logo, but I feel like it'd be a nice little bow at the end of it all. I could add on the idea of Adachi watching it all from his couch, maniacly laughing, as his eyes become the yellow we see when he is consumed by the Shadows and darkness, making one last little "fuck you"-type speech to really make it sink in that you absolutely fucked up, but I dunno. Just seeing Namatame's death and the TV cutting off would be enough to put chills down my spine.
@@TheOneGuitarGuy I agree with most expect for the addition of adachi I mean imagine being a newcomer to the game and series as a whole and you decided to play the game blind ,you just acted on impulse resulting In this ending you're feeling like shit for what you did only to be interrupted with the additional scene of adachi watching it all while his eyes glow ....like that right there just ruins it cause then the newcomer now knows who the real killer is instead of coming to that conclusion on their own the second time around
same here, and it was the first persona game I played so I assumed it was the only ending, then I read online it wasn't and tried to get the true ending, it isn't as easy as one would thought (like p3 or p5)
I got the second bad ending on my first play. (Which Namatame and Nanako doesn't die but you couldn't able to catch culprit either.) But the thing is I really underestimated Persona series. I didn't even bother to look how complicated this game or how much I need to be careful while doing my choices. I didn't even know that game has multiple endings. I go total blind gameplay and it ended up screwing myself over lol.
-Work with Adachi -Push and kill Namatame - Never find out who’s the real culprit Aftermath: -Nanako dies or be in a coma -Your friends and everyone else in Inaba will turn into shadows -Teddie will return to the TV world and never returns -Marie will dissapear -feel instant regret
Now that I think about it, if there was a aftermath where we can actually play when everyone turns into shadows I wonder if they would look like themselves, have a different design, or if we can catch them and get them as personas
Their faces at the end are just so... dark. This ending really makes me feel like the cast isn't even friends, they seem so distant from each other. Let's just say I'm glad I got the good ending.
It doesn't necessarily have to be the "true" ending because that one is triggered by what you do after she already gets out. You can just get the "good" ending where you fight Adachi and Ameno Saigiri.
Well, for the neutral ending you don't need to protect Adachi, you can also just convince the others to not kill Namatame during this scene, but everyone still thinks he did it. I got this from saying that revenge is wrong.
It makes sense that this is a bad ending. After all, if you kill him, it's an emotional response. You're there to get justice, to find the truth, but you instead throw a cowering simpleton into his death because someone you care about is effected. You stop being a detective and become a vigilante (a bad one at that). And it punishes you as such.
matthew funakoshi Ameno Sagiri said that the fog would cover the human world and both worlds will merge, making everyone a Shadow. So probably they all died.
Just like how Andres0082 said, Everyone would turn into Shadows and die. This is true due to the fact that there is particularly one scene where Naoto would literally scream and die because the world was fused with shadows.
I was honestly thinking the same as Chie - I mean, throwing Namatame into the TV won't rewrite the past. And him saying he's "helping" them by throwing them into the TV pretty much confirmed another person was pulling the strings, so there may be more to it than they initially thought and thus, it was too soon to jump to conclusions
When you accept to throw namatame into the tv i think it would have been a cool detail if the justice social link got severed, as this is the only ending where nanako dies (outside of the endings where everyone becomes shadows) and as she said, she heard everyone's voices calling her, which was what pushed her to cling on to life, however in this case, instead of voices encouraging her, the voices she hears either horrorized or dissapointed her because all of her friends (minus teddie) became monsters blinded by rage
Honestly. It got me crying so bad. I deeply regretted ever playing that game. I was depressed and confused. But It was just me making a bad choice. I got better because i heard there was a good ending and i got the worst one. I really enjoyed that game though 😁
Here's a tip. If you beat a JRPG boss normally and the game tells you that everything might end, that is not the final boss. JRPG Final Bosses NEVER let you beat them without a scripted end. I am pretty sure before you made that choice, you fought and killed Kuni-no-Sagiri normally by brute force and he just dies like any other boss. And then he doesn't even transform. No final boss in JRPGs will do anything like that.
The thing that hits me the most in the feels is the fact that Dojima is now truly alone. In his and Nanako's Social Links, we saw how they slowly but surely tried to reinvigorate their family after his wife was killed in an accident. It even shows that Dojima started to care for what he has at the moment more because his wife''s murderer is near impossible to find. Nanako also accepts the fact that Dojima and MC are family as well, and she shouldn't focus only on the bad that happened. However, Dojima now clearly regressed as his daughter died and MC leaves Inaba. He will be forever reminded of his failures as a detective and as a father as he withers away alone, not accepting anyone, and not truly solving the case, making his failures even greater than what he knows about.
I don't know how you can play a Persona game, given its themes, and think that killing someone, even someone quite despicable, would be the right move.
The Chef Boo but... he didn’t do it? The whole point of the game is explaining why nametame was throwing people into TVs he was doing it because he thought it was saving people. He didn’t act twice and those two ended up dead. The times he did act, they survived. Yeah he’s crazy, but he actually had no murderous intent.
Hope Bagel he said he knew the ending, so he knew he was wrong anyway. Besides, anyone who has been paying attention would know Nametame wasn’t trying to kill people. It just doesn’t add up
Except when you find Adachi and you think him being dead so he doesn't abuse his powers would also save everyone. But if you want to push this morality bullshit down their throats, I am sure everyone except your own view of the world is wrong.
@@YouGottaShootEmInTheHead He wouldn't hurt anyone in jail, and how can you be sure that YOU are not the only one to think your way and that he hasn't most people on his side
@@shaymin1372 He wouldn't hurt anyone in jail UNDER WHAT CONTEXT? DO you not know the concept of REPEAT OFFENDERS? If Yu or the plot didn't demand for Adachi to have a form of retribution by adhering to the laws of society and he himself DECIDING (as in people ALWAYS have a choice, and people die in jail too, you fucking ivory tower looking ass) to follow suit the police investigation, Adachi might as well WOULD have scaped through ANY form of reflection in aparatuses under the premises he recides after the true end of the game to KEEP killing people, so no, your logic is NOT henceforth, therefore it is irrelevant, and you are a plebian.
This was the first ending I got doing a blind playthrough. I played enough JRPGs in my time to know that they typically won't let you stray very far from the story they want to funnel you through, so it hit me all the more like a ton of bricks when I tried to call their bluff and they actually delivered. Knowing how powerful they can make a bad ending, it's a shame they haven't attempted anything like it since.
There are so many things that make this brilliantly deserved bad ending if you go through with it. Namatame at this point still believed he was saving people’s lives, and that these teenagers who beat the crap out of him got in the way, so his Shadow would reasonably be thinking “well it’s YOUR fault that your sister is dead, fuck you guys.” Plus Shadows by themselves aren’t a reflection of a person’s true desires. They should have known that after facing their own Shadows. Like all the viewers of the Midnight Channel who were a source of torment for them, they hypocritically peered into the private thoughts of his darker side to confirm their own biases that he was a bad person. Also, the fact that every party member’s Shadow Self attempts to kill us during their boss fights is foreshadowing that the protagonists were always capable of committing murder. Assimilating your Shadow is the process of accepting it without necessarily acting on its impulses. By killing Namatame, they’ve become possessed by their Shadows.
You know,even if this is the most happy go lucky persona game,this ending is so messed up,it makes you feel horrible for acting out of impulse,because Nanako dies,dojima has no wife or daughter,and the town is enshrouded in fog because of Adachi. I remember watching the p5 bad endings,and they were messed up because the characters in that game were so relatable and likeable too,but damn this ending hit hard for me. Edit:and in the accomplice ending,it also makes you feel like such a monster for betraying Nanako,Dojima,and every single one of your friends,and all for nothing too…
Empathy is the source of the bonds we forge, so to act out of line with it would pretty much nullify the greater purpose such connections serve. It wasn't something that I really had to think of. Revenge solves literally nothing.
Also the game literally asks you a second time to change your opinion while the girls have doubt about the righteousness of this situation (Except for Naoto wich is funny as she literally represents justice as a detective but i guess she had to be either fully for or against it)
@@legendarytat8278 still makes her a shitty detective if she solves the case by murdering people. Not even L wanted Kira dead, he wanted him to be judged by the judiciary system as he is not the executioner
@@PancakemonsterFO4 Yes, I was explaining why the people who made the plot made that decision. I don't know and don't care who L and Kira are, but I get your point. Still, because the investigation team are teenagers, who think using the amygdala instead of the frontal lobe, so it's somewhat explainable that Naoto went for the impulsive option instead of thinking it through calmly. Obviously, it still isn't a right thing to do, as evidenced by this being a “bad ending”.
When i first played this game I got spoiled on who the true killer was. Didn't stop me from murdering Namatame the first time. The game does an amazing job at making me wanna kill somebody
I got spoiled too. But after I finished the game with this ending. I'm pretty furious, I was hoping to replay the game in the future to get a different ending. I guess I have to gaslight myself into thinking the spoiler wasn't real.
@@themanthemyththelegend9498You know that you could've just reloaded a save and continued toward the true ending right? Your save file wasn't locked into the bad ending until you *chose* to overwrite it after the credits.
This ending sucked... not in the written way, just how I feel. I mean, NOTHING good came out of this. Nanako is dead, Namatame is dead, Adachi is still free. Nobody even hangs out now, the fog is still there. This was just so unsatisfying. Like, it just sucked to watch this.
This ending makes me so FURIOUS, but well, half of them were broken at that moment, now I know I can trust Rise, Yukiko, and Chie in tenser situations, after all they actually were being completely reasonable about this, and disagreed with the others. aNd now I knOw nOt tO fULLY tRuSt dEtEctivEs (c’mon Naoto, I thought you were better than that..) and Adachi and Akechi, haven’t watched P3 yet. Edit: oh yeah, this ending makes me feel SO EMPTY... the true ending made me feel happy, relieved, shit like that... but this just makes me feel, sad, tense, empty... I hate the bad endings, but these are how and why P4 is so well written.
you can tell from how they tell him to stop stalling, when he's the CLOSEST to her and would be the one who wants justice done for the death of Nanako. For him to tell them to stop means that he suspects there's more to it than they're seeing (If you choose that path)
It's a little more complex. The dialogue options you have to choose are very specific, and one wrong choice and you've got the band end. I did end up saving namatame, but wasn't able to convice everyone someone else was the killer.
@@sophilia8565 very specific? It's either YES let me kill him, YES but i cannot watch so i leave it to you or NO we may have missed something. If you ever played a visual novel and tried to get the true ending without looking up a guide, THAT'S where things become hard as fuck to make out (oh, you missed the third event flag, too bad the next events won't trigger for you and you need all of them)
@@nullasenzanome9553 it's not really weird, more like “this could be staged to get rid of the only source of information we have right now“. The original version also hinted on Adachi being in this mess as he was the only character without a social link despite Doshima inviting him home from time to time so he was a important character
I got this ending... on purpose as i missed an Adachi SL and wanted to restart the ng+ as quick as possible...man afterwards i wished i diddnt... this is scarring...
I think the thing i like about the way you reach the good ending is you have to as a player want to keep looking for the truth i actuly throught this was the only ending as only 1 dialoge lets you continue and even if you choise it you have to pick it 3 times and then say who the killer is really makes you want to get the good ending
I pushed the bastard in in my first playthrough out of pure unhinged rage towards Namatame. Then seeing the credits, made me realize there's something else behind the murders
Glad I didn't see this ending myself although if it was me,I don't know if I could stop myself from throwing him into the tv or if I could figure out the tv shows what people want them to,not what things really are
Poor uncle doujima ;w; he lost his wife to an driving jerk and now lost his only daughter to another jerk. When I first played it I got the good ending, seeing this ending breaks my heart because he was my favorite adult character
Honestly with how Persona 3s main theme more or less was in the end death comes for us all, some sooner than others, some later than others, I could picture this being more fitting for 3 instead of 4. But I can understand Naoto, Kanji, and Yosuke really wanting Yu to throw Namatame in. It may have been acting on impulses but I think if anything happened to someone really close to us, and we know exactly who did it and where they are, its pretty much natural instinct for revenge to cross your mind at least once. But to set the tone at the black screen a text should've popped up saying "But..would Nanako want this?" Basically a sign that you made the morally wrong choice and fucked up big time
P5 has like 3 endings only. Excluding missing the deadlines of course. Most of your choices would basically revolve around whether or not you choose to be a sell-out, or you become greedy and accept the proposal given by Yaldabaoth.
Oh well... wasn't as scary as expected. It just ended so quick. And also Teddie leaving was sad... Honestly I thought the game was going to continue after this where (spoiler alert) you would still stop Izanagi but in a different way. guess not
this ending hurts to see, good for me i choose everything right the time i played P4 myself o.O but its fishy, the point in the game you can throw Namatame into the TV, i had my head spinning with facts... facts that lead to someone else and not to Namatame directly... its good to see that Chie tries to be the Voice of reasoning atleast at the beginning but in the end even she gives in, the person with the biggest sense of justice of the group... This ending is horribly depressing
the only thing that really stopped me from throwing the guy in the tv was consistency. this whole time we've been solving cases and saving people, not throwing people into the tv. so the sudden shift in tone snapped me out of my rage for what happened to nanako.
i got this during my first playthrough cause i slacked on social links... biggest regret in any game i've ever played, doing NG+ now hoping for true ending
I got this ending at first try play blind, i got second bad ending aftermath, i got confused and and start reading walkthrough and guide, finally get good ending 😀
I had to use a guide to not get this ending when I played the game. I really do like how the game have different endings, one wrong choice and you will be left with this. All of them look pretty much emotionless and the music is great. Also really nice to see how Dojima acts.
I first got the bad ending where i don't throw namatame in the tv and nanako is alive only bacause i didnt choose the "namatame feelings" option, like for real, he's the person everyone thought was the murderer why should i choose that option in that moment? Very out of character even if it was clear that something wasn't right at all Also those bad endings are so empty its like the game decided to shut down because yes
Get to think that people do this in real life, not throwing people in a tv of course but, doing horrible actions blinded by anger thinking it was the right thing to do, looking away, letting everything else to die miserably. Ignoring the right path because there was an "easier way", ignoring, rejecting, and not searching for the truth.
Hey wait, imagine if someone fought their shadow, but it didnt transform, and they faced themself, and then gain a persona, which is just a larger version of the user
In that case, you just get the good ending, which is pretty happy, but the events of the true ending, from fighting Izanami, actually have pretty horrifying implications for the "good" ending.
damn seeing Naoto just casually suggest taking Namatame's life equally as scary as it is hot and it makes sense too I mean considering her line of work I'd assume she'd be willing to take another life if need be but still.
Lol I knew it was that goofy edgelord from almost the beginning. Like it was so obvious, who else could it be? They wouldn't introduce some new villain late in the game, they virtually spell it out for you.
