Personal Struggles & Practical Thoughts on Suicide | Tim Ferriss & Dr. Andrew Huberman 

Man, that is the PERFECT way to describe those 2 together.

Ditto. Perfect description.

Keep telling yourself you have it, and that will come true

@@JohnStockton7459are you a professional mental health practitioner?

@@JohnStockton7459 "Far better is it to be silent...and be thought a fool, than to speak up...and remove all doubt."

I'm so sorry to hear about your loss bro. I hope you heal from the loss

I think covid is in there. It tanks the adrenals, which manage our stress. I have health issues but post covid was the first time I ever felt I had ideation. It has since passed and I believe it was covid related.

Its often because we realise in our 30s that we're not going to be the breakout artist who makes a living off the art. We know we'll have to get a 'proper job' to get ahead and yet we would rather be dead than do that office job

@@leigh7507 it's a pretty immature sentiment. Practice art outside of work 🤷‍♂️

@@runswithraptors I think a lot of people would rather just die than work in a factory, fulfilment centre, office - just to make ends meet if you're lucky. Death is obviously OK if you've weighed it all up and decided it's not a thing you want to do

Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!

Yes, dr.sporesss. I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.

I wish they were readily available in my place. Microdosing was my next plan of care for my husband. He is 59 & has so many mental health issues plus probable CTE & a TBI that left him in a coma 8 days. It's too late now I had to get a TPO as he's 6'6 300+ pound homicidal maniac. He's constantly talking about killing someone. He's violent. Anyone reading this Familiar w/ BPD know if it is common for an obsession with violence.

Is he on instagram?

Yes he is. dr.sporesss

You.might also lok up the evolutionary hypotheses concerning the value of postmenopausal females (statistically studied as well in other species) to families, and ingroups. I found that every related neurological and psychological issue with which menopausal and postmenopausal human females present, from specific memory to cognitive changes, appear to have been adaptive in assisting both younger and subadult, to infants, to better function socially, as well as having increased survival rates. [some specific discrepancies do occur, which i won't address here] This what i will call loving advantage, is of powerful import. You, and the emotional, cognitive, and social changes you experience are essential, vital, needed, for the full development of ALL those around you. We find this to be true, anecdotally as well as

[Excuse the knuckles and thumbs causing preposting comments!] . . . . as well as in some comparative wellness studies.

@@briseboy thanks for your thoughtful response. No doubt there is a very important evolutionary reason for the changes experienced during perimenopause and post menopause. And up until the two years I spent battling suicidal ideation, I would have been a staunch advocate of naturally working with and through this phase with no pharmaceutical intervention. I was also someone who hadn’t used hormonal contraceptives, so never in my wildest dreams would I have thought I would be singing the praises of HRT. However, the change in my mental state as soon as I started HRT was undeniable. Now, I share my story to help raise awareness of how dark menopause can get and that there’s no shame in using HRT, especially if it prevents irreparable harm.

HRT is an absolute life changer! Bright Blessings to you 🌺

TRT/HRT is a life saver for men too!

Holy shit I am so sorry you had to live through that. I am living through my own hell of daily anxiety and suicidal depression x 2 years. I know it won’t fix anything but I just wanted to say that nobody deserves what you went through. You have worth.

Maybe you will like Ali Zeck.

@@hofahome Thank you so much for your compassion! I really appreciate you.

@@johannakunze3300 Thanks Ill check that name out!

Well said.

Yes, this!!!

Talk to someone please. My best friend recently left us and honestly it’s incredible how much pain everyone is in. People love you.

I understand that. It took me some time to understand that those thoughts do put us at risk for suicide. Please get some support 🙏 talking with someone on the lifeline can be such a relief.

Just to reply, I was in a dark place when I wrote that just kind of explaining things where I was at, thanks so much for your kind words. I am doing better lately and want to try my best to see this thing of Life out. I just expressing my darkness at the time since I really didnt have anyone to talk to. But that was actually not true. I shared bits with family and friends and just held on, and things have slowly gotten better. They arent "fixed" but definitely better. I hope anyone who understands that feeling of not wanting to exist keeps trying. YT vids actually helped me alot the further into I got. You are here for a reason, and sometimes the darkness and pain are necessary to grow, even if they are going on for a long time. Wish you the best, dont give up, grow past. It just sucks sometimes 💓

@@chriswesallen 🧡🧡🙏 I’m glad you talked with friends and family. Our minds can be an awful prison sometimes.

I feel like this everyday. My husband died 10 mths ago and I'm struggling I lost everything I had and just don't want to exist anymore. If I knew what to do I would end it now. Thank you for your post.

Was he on SSRIs by any chance? Lots of people actually kill themselves because of these drugs and then the suicide gets blamed on ‘depression.’ Psychiatry likes to try to medicalise ‘depression’ (pretty vague term that means many different things) as some sort of biological disease, so they can prescribe pills that don’t work to ‘treat’ it.

@@sturmgewehr4444my brother was on SSRIs and I think that had a huge contribution to his suicide

⁠@@sturmgewehr4444 ​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠they do have a chance to contribute, hence the black box warning on them stating that they can (paradoxically) increase the chance of suicide. IIRC, at a pharmacological level this occurs because the SSRI’s will “numb” someone back up closer to baseline. That numbing works both ways with serotonergic medications. For instance, a neuroleptic (antipsychotic) will return someone in a manic episode (think BP1) who is literally and figuratively “all over the place” (flight of ideas, tangential thoughts, disorganized affect) down closer to a baseline. It will do the same thing to a schizophrenic experiencing visual or auditory hallucinations. When they return to a baseline, no more VH/AH. Now think about this: if someone is in a crippling depression, (think Major Depressive Disorder- qualifying individual) they could be so depressed that they do not even have the energy to act out their suicidal plan. A SSRI will “numb” them back up to a baseline, giving them more energy/motivation to act on said plan (that b/c of the depression, they did not have before). The key is in having a support system here, and or knowledge of resources. This is a dangerous “hump” to get over, and people are given these medications by what I’d like to believe are well-meaning physicians.. problem is in education. A GP does not have the level of psychopharmacological knowledge that a psychiatrist has, and where a psychiatrist could warn a patient about this in detail, a GP may not. A GP may just tell you to call 988 or 911 and get an ambulance to an ED if you have suicidal ideation during taking your SSRI’s. It’s the right thing to tell someone, but if we’re going to give people these powerful medications, we need to make sure they know exactly what to expect. Thankfully the healthcare institution is realizing this and leaving the prescribing of SSRI’s and other psychotropic medication solely to psychiatrists, some clinical psychologists, psych-NP’s (and other educated clinicians) and not just any provider (for the reason you mentioned here). Condolences for everyone who has lost someone due to depression/suicide. It is a terrible affliction. Love your friends and family, and yourself. You never know which of them is suffering in silence-

@@sturmgewehr4444only a fool would spread misinformation like this.

@@mjesns77 how is it ‘misinformation’ when suicide is a well-known side effect of these drugs?

I'm also an adoptee. Reading what happened to you is so painful. But people don't understand what it means being orphaned, adopted, etc. Do you think that moving to another place was crucial for your 'healing'? I always had the idea, but the idea of 'it will never solve your problems' never silenced...

@@loveoneanotherdonthate yes i had to move to not be codependent on her . I was always wanting to gai. her approval . I also like the warm weather in Australia . I landed an amazing job and was able to buy a house and pretty much pay it off . I just listened to my gut that said i needed to move and so i did . My twin moved at 16 so i wanted ro be close to her . She had even a harder time with our foster mom too

@@loveoneanotherdonthate I agree that i don’t think the pain ever goes away but i’ve moved on with my life ..

Why is this? I guess some abusers have also been abused as children themselves but no one talks about what drives this abuse. If it's so common why is no talking about where this stems from?

⁠@@cocoandrobin I think it’s because the topic is so vile that no one wants to face that kind of evil. Those that have sexual attraction to children of course will not want to come forward and help scientists understand what is wrong with their brains. There is a lot of stigma (rightfully so) that I think the only way to learn more is to study convicted offenders in jail or analyze their brains postmortem.

anyone who is interested, there is a paper by Lloyd DeMause called the history of childhood...it has always been a disgusting thing some sick humans do to the vulnerable

@@cocoandrobin I follow a woman who runs parenting programs that teach parents how to protect their children from CSA (she also teaches programs for kids). The best prevention is to empower children by talking to them in age appropriate ways about good touch/bad touch, good pictures/bad pictures, how to tell their parents/teacher/trusted person if something happens. This woman has so many resources and gets asked by so many schools to run her parenting programs, and is told by parents how much they are scared about their children being abused and how they want to protect their children so so much. Then the parents don't show. Or they say it's too uncomfortable, or the school should be responsible for this. But then if the school does try to run a program it gets shut down because they think 6 year olds are going to be taught about sex, but they don't seem to realise that abusers are teaching their kids about sex. Then when children disclose they're rarely believed. A CSA conviction is one of the hardest convictions to get in any country. The research on CSA isn't some big mystery, you can literally google it and plenty of organisations will come up that share the research. The experts are pretty open about it, it's just that the public don't want to listen. Like pretty much everything, prevention is better than cure. Parents don't want to have conversations that make them uncomfortable so their children are vulnerable. Few psychologists will work with offenders so programs are few and far between and require a criminal conviction to access.

I told my family about my sexual abuse which was by a first cousin uncle and my dads response was to get over it I’m not blaming my suicidal thoughts on this cause I felt this way forever but I do know that my sexual life has been messed up cause of this

It is not life it is crappy human civilization that is the problem. Aggresive people survive, soft hearted good people suicide

I love this. I’ll keep that image in mind. Anti-toxic positivity

Or how he was affected, too.

​@@Prohitdsheesh how disrespectful

@@blgdinger3no, it is not disrespectful. People often want to paint s****** as a selfish act that often destroys the lives of the people that loved the individual that committed it, but too often ignore the very real pain - that often lasted a very long time - that depressed people went through before they took their own life. S****** is just as much about the person that did that act than it is about the ones that loved them.

​@@ProhitdExactly

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What happened to Huberman last year? 🤔

Do read my above reply to a postmenopausal female. The HIGHLY variable cognitive and psychosocial maturity of "grown-ups" remains distributed across the ENTIRE spectrum of human development. See Human Developmental Sciences curricula for a good handle on such variance.

This is what narcissists say when someone dies from suicide. It’s called victim blaming. ‘My sick relative who just died from their condition in pain and all alone is not the victim. I am. I am everybody. Look at ME.’

No. That’s awfully judgmental for no good reason. People cope in different ways and suicide is very painful for everyone who loved the person who died. It destroys people and causes them deep pain for the rest of their days. Who are you to judge whether their love was real or not? Who are you to judge whose pain is more worthy?

@@pugsley201I promise you that person was in a million times more pain and suffering then the pain the family and friends are feeling from their loss. As someone who suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideations for 10 years whos also lost multiple friends to suicide the pain I experienced in depression was infinitely more powerful than losing a close friend. Doesn’t compare. If someone suffers from severe depression and they exhausted all options to try and recover, they have the right to end their life. You cannot tell a person who lives in unbearable pain and suffering that they need to continue to live just so others aren’t sad. That’s cruel.

@@danielgiordani7625i probably agree with you, but i think the real reason why people use the family’s grief as a reason for someone not to kill themself is because at some point the depression will be better. it’s not them saying “suffer your entire life for us to not feel grief,” it’s them saying “your current suffering is temporary and isn’t worth dying for”

I luckily never was. I can see kids innocently checking each other out, but adults doing this to little kids, no amount of punishment is too severe. I frankly consider these people soulless animals.

YES! The very neural and biological development of the abused and neglected, is so profoundly affected that many of the heritable psychological and physical, phenotypic expressions of genes are directly traceable to variations in nurturance. Cognitive heuristics and biases we learn or cling to unto death, are so statistically traceable. Culture IS taught, inadvertently, through modeling to infants and young, until pubertal neural and cognitive changes afford some self- and other- evaluation; Trauma/wounding /injury are not at all a natural, inevitable fate. The acute perceptions of the very young, mediated by that neural/glial synaptic pruning which Dr. Huberman may or may not have ever discussed, evolved to adapt a young organism to ever- and immensely- variable environments, and thrive in spite of difficulties. Its drawbacks ARE evident in individuals and cultures persisting in bias, delusory inculcation, and consequent abuse, right there in world, national, and regional news, exhibit some of the misdirected violent aggression and seemingly lethally distorted behaviors of groups, or maladapted individuals.

I believe in you, brother. You've got this. ❤

You were meant to be here in this time. You are not a mistake. Don't stop looking for ways to improve your life You're worth the effort. Many blessings

Keep going, measure your progress in zyears not months. Research CPTSD on RU-vid, so many people are going through the same thing and there are lots of ways to heal available. I also suffered childhood abuse and then mental health problems and inability to make work or relationships work. I found meditation in my teens which I believe saved me, since then I’ve been on a journey of exploring different healing modalities. Very honest and non judgmental journaling can also really help. AA groups such as ACA or CODA are also great for community and healing and they’re free. You can do this, you were put on this earth for a reason. When you recover you’ll have so much empathy because of what you’ve been through.

I also suffer from childhood trauma. It sucks life is a nightmare sometimes... I can recommend RU-vid channel Crappy Childhood Fairy. It's beyond helpful and accurate content!

@@tabithadurandt3213 Thank you for your kind words 🙏

May I ask what your interests are?

@bestwesterner depends on the day. Sometimes I don't care about anything but other times watching shows, writing, and spending time with friends.

​@@dakine4238where u from ?

@@dakine4238 I’ve got you man. Sounds like sometimes you’re detached and maybe have a hard time feeling good, bad or anything at all. Let me put it to you this way - what would you do if you weren’t afraid?

If I wasn't afraid and had money. I'd stop working and just get a place somewhere quiet and not much to be honest. I'm exhausted by life.. I just feel like I need a break from all the stress and to heal from my family's dysfunction@@bestwesterner

I got zero out of this because it was more of a ramble than anything else.

i hope you stay.

I’m pretty sure you have to be a Canadian citizen to have that option in Canada.

@@kayligo figured there would be alot of paperwork involved.

According to google, 11 jurisdictions have medical assistance.

@@nomadicfx why the restrictions. if i made my decidsion its just how. medically assisted is the most logical. dont want people going out in a blaze of fury risking the injury to others.

I watched a bunch of videos of how people are trained who volunteer/work for the Suicide Hotline on RU-vid, its awful. Theyre so bad at helping.

Not much, really.

@@Cheximus figured as much

Lots of “successful people” end their lives on a whim sometimes with no warning. Childhood sexual assault is no joke, that’s not sth you get over simply through “comforts available”. I hope you changed your opinion after watching the video. Tim even addressed these types of ignorant comments.

Work with a trusted doctor, monitor side effects and the doc can adjust if need be. I started on one, but it wasn’t a good fit. Hope you find your way to peace.

welcome to the club .. it's called anti-natalism

@@georgesamaras2922 I'm well aware

Maybe you can send him a check to replace the funds he’d lose ?

@@JG-kw4jv aye man, no disrespect I love Doc. Been following him for years. I doubt he’ll even see this. However, since this video is about suicide, and there are 3 ads, plus I’m pretty sure he has plenty of money to monotone a singular video, I don’t think it’s that bad of a proposal. Sorry that I just so happen to disturb your intelligent big brain, my mistake 😂😂

then youre guaranteed to at sometime anyways. youre capable and worthy of living out till then, i love you man

Go research NDEs, but there's two ways it can go. You will either find solace and peace or fall into a dark rabbit hole once you start to see the patterns.

There's a whole lot of things worth exploring here and now. Seriously, this world isn't boring and if your at the point your not afraid of dying. Enjoy your time here.

You never been in a coma before?