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Pet Simulator 99 is ALREADY Causing ISSUES! 

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In today's video we look at the upcoming Pet Simulator 99 and how its already causing issues! We are about to go over the good, the bad, and the downright UGLY in this new game!
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@NightFoxx
@NightFoxx 10 месяцев назад
Small disclaimer, the person on Twitter that “scammed” the other player out of a titanic, wasn’t a scam if the other player knew he was getting transferred pets and just wanted to continue playing pet sim x. It was shown to illustrate a point of how some people are making scam trades trying to trick others. Didn’t mean to put the guy on blast. Thanks for watching tho!
@bigbroandlittlesis7456
@bigbroandlittlesis7456 10 месяцев назад
First
@bigbroandlittlesis7456
@bigbroandlittlesis7456 10 месяцев назад
The first
@raeesmustafa
@raeesmustafa 10 месяцев назад
Nightfoxx I love your videos keep it up!!
@shaunxd3849
@shaunxd3849 10 месяцев назад
I liked my own reply
@karefal
@karefal 10 месяцев назад
Hi nightfoxx
@Pickle_Banana_People
@Pickle_Banana_People 10 месяцев назад
Its like Preston walked outside, looked at the stars and said "I have an idea," I should make a F2P game!"
@gamemasteralex1342
@gamemasteralex1342 10 месяцев назад
PERFECT
@witherstormstage7
@witherstormstage7 10 месяцев назад
everyonne comes back
@Cosevac
@Cosevac 10 месяцев назад
Honestly, I feels although the first 3 PS games were experiments souly for the purpose of pushing limits, seeing what players do and don’t like, all for the endgame PSX. One that will most defiantly stand the test of time. The mother of all simulators. I’m super hyped for this game, but just my luck, I won’t be able to play it for a full week and a half after it’s release. Can’t wait for the PS99!
@ariansingh337
@ariansingh337 10 месяцев назад
I agree with you strongly
@OBLIMMONSTER
@OBLIMMONSTER 10 месяцев назад
Same
@winstonsofonio7343
@winstonsofonio7343 10 месяцев назад
Same
@tntmaster7869
@tntmaster7869 10 месяцев назад
Why can't you?
@Cosevac
@Cosevac 10 месяцев назад
I'll be on holidays with my family which will be lovely.
@thatonepiggyplayer69
@thatonepiggyplayer69 10 месяцев назад
Reason why people are doing this: they have greed and they don't know how rare these pets are. Also i hope its not laggy.
@moodydoesstuff8198
@moodydoesstuff8198 10 месяцев назад
Now that he’s pointing all of these out, this is a free play dream. I swear I’m going to have so much fun trying to get huges when I have 70 eggs unlocked and basically have a 1/100 chance of getting a huge
@zingery4746
@zingery4746 10 месяцев назад
pretty sure theyre gonna have to bump the rarity of the huges now unfortunately😢
@Lupuldacic1
@Lupuldacic1 10 месяцев назад
I dont think so
@niknad5290
@niknad5290 10 месяцев назад
I hate the fact that people can transfer huges and titanics, because it ruins the "new" aspect
@LeHunter
@LeHunter 10 месяцев назад
Well the huges will just be equivalent to your best pet and also, who knows maybe they will make a change to it.
@niknad5290
@niknad5290 10 месяцев назад
@@LeHunter ig that's maybe true
@SuperlexPlays
@SuperlexPlays 10 месяцев назад
*You have me inspired to start making vids.* Much love and major props to you my man ❤
@Am1rEnvy
@Am1rEnvy 10 месяцев назад
u are evrywere saying bot comments
@ryangooch5409
@ryangooch5409 10 месяцев назад
This is nothing to do with the video, but its to do with ps99. i wonder how events will work and how long will we be into the game when one happens. Will we even get a Christmas event this year?
@greg9014
@greg9014 10 месяцев назад
A great example of a simulator that lets both free to play and pay to win players share similar experiences is Bee Swarm Simulator. Despite it being a massive grind, the game experiences don't change much between each type of player. Pet simulator 99 is probably doing something with the same idea, but a bit more pay to win. Also Bee Swarm is actually a great roblox game
@itsdino8867
@itsdino8867 10 месяцев назад
W bee swarm
@FajnyToscik
@FajnyToscik 10 месяцев назад
W bee swarm chain
@TaseenAlim
@TaseenAlim 10 месяцев назад
W bee swarm
@littlerat6646
@littlerat6646 10 месяцев назад
W bee swarm
@AaronSanchez-jf5xm
@AaronSanchez-jf5xm 10 месяцев назад
W bee swarm
@tylosam
@tylosam 10 месяцев назад
I think what's crazy is that there are no transition screens. Like you enter the building and what's in there is in there no black loading screen
@chrissvehlek7645
@chrissvehlek7645 10 месяцев назад
Great vid bud. I do have high hopes for the new sim game, let's hope Preston listened to us for once
@shatorbx
@shatorbx 10 месяцев назад
He only cares about money so I highly doubt it.
@missileonfire
@missileonfire 10 месяцев назад
​@@shatorbxif you actually watched the trailer you can see new f2p features
@ilikemilk4008
@ilikemilk4008 10 месяцев назад
​@shatorbx the new game seems like it's good for f2p players
@abimbolapeters8972
@abimbolapeters8972 10 месяцев назад
@@ilikemilk4008 you wish
@PoolSurfer-bt1hg
@PoolSurfer-bt1hg 10 месяцев назад
I am pretty sure that player may have been wanting to play pet sim x more than pet sim 99, so he is just like, "Free Titanics for Pet Sim X!" I mean, it is the same concept regardless of what you do, click coins to get more pets, XD.
@Jammes0909
@Jammes0909 10 месяцев назад
I think that a feature that Preston should add is that in world 1 you can rebirth 1 time, but in world two or three, you can rebirth 2 or 3 times at once
@zingery4746
@zingery4746 10 месяцев назад
it is somewhat like that. You can rebirth after reaching a certain area milestone and u need to reach the next milestone to rebirth again: A25-RB1, A50-RB2, A75-RB3…
@Fut_editz5
@Fut_editz5 8 месяцев назад
Only me know all about it 😬
@Fodink
@Fodink 10 месяцев назад
As a f2p player I actually don't care if a game is pay to win because I still play and enjoy the game by myself and with my friends. Even if lots of people are getting ahead fast because they are paying. As long as the game is fun and enjoyable, I will play it.
@toonlinks
@toonlinks 9 месяцев назад
Dont forget that preston dmca'd children because of block pets so he is still a horrible person
@peytonspurgeon7570
@peytonspurgeon7570 10 месяцев назад
You know it's going to be a good day when Nightfoxx posts 😃😃❤❤
@instansyx9917
@instansyx9917 10 месяцев назад
I do actually have some hope for pet simulator 99 I think it might actually be able to save big games reputation and give them a better light in the public eye. 😊
@Thatgirljesi11yeah
@Thatgirljesi11yeah 10 месяцев назад
Yeah
@zingery4746
@zingery4746 10 месяцев назад
if preston doesnt get greedy and learns his lesson, big things are awaiting big games
@Cleanforget
@Cleanforget 10 месяцев назад
I bought two huge goblins that were transferred before watching this. Now I will always wait for a nightfoxx to upload before I buy or sell ANYTHING
@JessyLavender-je5ry
@JessyLavender-je5ry 10 месяцев назад
Great video!! What I like is that the f2p players now can stand a chance to p2w bc mostly u see p2w players just afk doing nothing and auto hatching eggs Wat I don’t like is the pet transfers those pets stay in there game bc it is new
@penguincute3564
@penguincute3564 10 месяцев назад
hopefully the game is more f2p friendly...
@idk87792
@idk87792 10 месяцев назад
I agree with you I think everyone should start fresh
@csabamartintovissi5971
@csabamartintovissi5971 10 месяцев назад
the thing is if people couldnt transfer the exclusive pet, they would be mad, which is understandable but still
@JessyLavender-je5ry
@JessyLavender-je5ry 10 месяцев назад
All pets should stay in their game while the new ones take this new game up higher than the other game I understand you but this should be a fresh start not a restart button @@csabamartintovissi5971
@TheBigWheelz
@TheBigWheelz 10 месяцев назад
Yes it is causing issues 😂 I was only able to transfer ONE pet over to it 😂 😭
@tryevenharder8813
@tryevenharder8813 10 месяцев назад
I’m so excited for Pet Simulator 99!
@penguincute3564
@penguincute3564 10 месяцев назад
we are all exicted
@956Supersam
@956Supersam 10 месяцев назад
GIVE ME PET SIM 99
@Finny_YT
@Finny_YT 10 месяцев назад
Just be careful…
@Finny_YT
@Finny_YT 10 месяцев назад
To not be scammed
@956Supersam
@956Supersam 10 месяцев назад
@@Finny_YT i know i am
@NokikkoBs
@NokikkoBs 10 месяцев назад
this definetly seems way more f2p cus biggest problem aside exclusive eggs were with single hatch it was nearly impossible to hatch a huge but now seems like that wont be a problem
@DaveDavvvvv
@DaveDavvvvv 10 месяцев назад
I remember when the fantasy world came out the good old days thanks for making amazing videos Nightfoxx!!
@Tag_dead
@Tag_dead 10 месяцев назад
Honestly if I was Big Games Developer I would do that you can’t list transferred huges/ exclusives. I think that will make everyone’s life’s easier 💀
@NigerianFriend
@NigerianFriend 10 месяцев назад
NightFox, what do you think about all the people that have 10t gems and can't actually buy a real titanic anymore, since they are transferred?
@ekampannu882
@ekampannu882 10 месяцев назад
The grind starts again 😊😊😊😊
@Albin-i9m
@Albin-i9m 10 месяцев назад
Ps99 seems like a HUGE improvement for us f2p players
@gdeditor6147
@gdeditor6147 10 месяцев назад
I'm glad Preston finally sees what the F2p and the P2w want to experience throughly with the game now! It is all coming down to one thing to the point where his games he makes in the future will now probably have a point.
@jakename
@jakename 10 месяцев назад
how about the gamepass in psx what will happend?
@SIM_BLAST
@SIM_BLAST 10 месяцев назад
they dont rly get scammed, alot of ppl who buy my transferred huges say that they just gonna keep playing psx instead of 99 so than 5 titanics or one i'd also know what to choose so its a w for both parties
@NightFoxx
@NightFoxx 10 месяцев назад
True, I guess it depends on your situation. It’s still worth noting though just in case you were one of those wanting to bring pets to the new game.
@SouI7378
@SouI7378 10 месяцев назад
This comment won’t have 1300 likes ❤
@mitchs1111
@mitchs1111 10 месяцев назад
I liked😂
@friendskids2018
@friendskids2018 10 месяцев назад
I didn't
@EthanMerlock-iv4ji
@EthanMerlock-iv4ji 10 месяцев назад
I'ma change that to 3
@Real_MagnusPlaying
@Real_MagnusPlaying 10 месяцев назад
It has 10
@kerrywinning5594
@kerrywinning5594 10 месяцев назад
10❤
@hussainalfridawi8343
@hussainalfridawi8343 10 месяцев назад
Im really hype after nightfox explaining how pet sim 99 would work i was a F2p player in pet sim x but pet sim 99 sounds like its good for f2p players
@dylanmaxwellsadventures2488
@dylanmaxwellsadventures2488 10 месяцев назад
Yes, it’s true. You can even get the original Hoverboard for free.
@Legend_of_Rayn
@Legend_of_Rayn 10 месяцев назад
As a free to paying player I can say this will be an amazing game the VIP is really cool and if you leave the same options for F2P just more grinding and P2W can just buy it they both can get it just F2P takes more time the VIP gift every 6 hours for F2P they could give it every 12-24 hours without countdown restarting and they can balance this so well and so far they pretty much have balanced it. These are just some of the opinions I have on the new game and I think it will be winning most of the Roblox rewards things.
@HunterTHEPROTV
@HunterTHEPROTV 10 месяцев назад
When it said “empty” I think it meant there bringing HATS back!!!! I missed them from the days of pet simulator 1
@Beanie4you
@Beanie4you 10 месяцев назад
This comment won’t go up to 10 like
@KLEMB
@KLEMB 10 месяцев назад
I liked it
@tryevenharder8813
@tryevenharder8813 10 месяцев назад
I hope it does! (I liked it)
@sachingamer4527
@sachingamer4527 10 месяцев назад
Now it's 13 likes
@CasesGasStation
@CasesGasStation 10 месяцев назад
14 Now
@KuechlyProd
@KuechlyProd 10 месяцев назад
Doubled
@lyonpark9008
@lyonpark9008 10 месяцев назад
I’ve only watched 2 minutes of your video and I already agree with you. I got scammed by the transferred pets and when I relished it was much to late I had used all my gems on transferred huges
@SuperdanialTv
@SuperdanialTv 10 месяцев назад
Early Gang 👇
@joongswife
@joongswife 10 месяцев назад
even though it might be weird for someone my age to play pet sim, roblox has been really dry and i love collecting pets (like adopt me), so i'm def gonna play pet sim 99
@bacondude7586
@bacondude7586 10 месяцев назад
Calm down I’m 14 and and will def play pet sim 99
@Always1Elvis
@Always1Elvis 10 месяцев назад
Me too and i'm 47 😮😂
@joongswife
@joongswife 10 месяцев назад
Haha yeahh.. I just need smth to play honestly these days
@nightwing9409
@nightwing9409 9 месяцев назад
If you think Roblox is boring without this game, play creatures of sonaria, hard survival game with good details. Or dragon adventures, rpg, hatch dragons, trade for them, buy them flex them, many dragons, much customization for your dragons, they are working on bringing the adventure back! No, this isn’t an ad, I recommend it lol
@The_Mighty_Wolves
@The_Mighty_Wolves 10 месяцев назад
This will go down in history... Comment how many concurrent players PS99 will get on release I think about 2m ❤❤❤
@DamianChoo
@DamianChoo 10 месяцев назад
Bro i have never clicked so quickly i love these videos!
@tenacity7950
@tenacity7950 10 месяцев назад
The rebirths are a cool idea.They are all unique like ghost sim where every rebirth you pick a rebirth perk to perm unlock i like that idea more than hardcore mode
@NatQuid-YT
@NatQuid-YT 10 месяцев назад
Ngl i dont gonna lost this PET SIM X games.... This is my nostalgia !
@FGGoose
@FGGoose 10 месяцев назад
IM BACK TO RU-vid
@itsmebid
@itsmebid 10 месяцев назад
Tbh I like the different worlds mechanic from pet sim x but in this new game you just rebirth at the end, I know rebirthing is Alr but it doesn’t look like there are many areas and there should be new worlds
@ninjabearwilliam619
@ninjabearwilliam619 10 месяцев назад
People are gonna be setting rebirth speed-runs like crazy😂
@SIM_BLAST
@SIM_BLAST 10 месяцев назад
btw transferring huges isnt that big of a problem with the max mark, i transfered 200 huges in one day bc of my alts and there is a trading plaza and trading in ps99 so il get them all in one day jsut a bit of trading np to me
@nicholasnobles-zygmunt5451
@nicholasnobles-zygmunt5451 10 месяцев назад
I think rebirths are gonna tie to trading so it would've been easier to just wait 7 days to transfer more pets
@Flower_guys
@Flower_guys 10 месяцев назад
Oh dang Nightfoxx is wearing a Blink 182 shirt!
@bloxfamily
@bloxfamily 10 месяцев назад
2:17 We at the bottom of the screen! Woohoo! We famous now lol.
@legionnaire4336
@legionnaire4336 6 месяцев назад
There is a huge scam in pet sim x. In lots of trading servers there are bots selling transferred titanics for nearly 10t diamonds
@Lonix59
@Lonix59 10 месяцев назад
I hope the game will offer free gamepasses like 99 team pet and 99 egg open Idk make all gamepass but you need to buy it with your total rebirths or gems
@tricerex7511
@tricerex7511 7 месяцев назад
1:02 the Bro Is angry with pet SIM 99 but if you use brain and look it says transfered, that means that YoU cAn'T tRaNsFeR tHeM
@DaReal_foxx
@DaReal_foxx 10 месяцев назад
MrNightfoxx Explained it all really well.
@SixxPathsOfPain
@SixxPathsOfPain 10 месяцев назад
really love the fact that they made it some what a free to play as well as not to over powered p2w
@The_banana_cats
@The_banana_cats 10 месяцев назад
I transferred my it said I will keep it in pet sim x but scared it won’t 😢
@Eggs785
@Eggs785 10 месяцев назад
8:40 nightfoxx caught lacking💀
@IOnlyLivvOnce
@IOnlyLivvOnce 10 месяцев назад
I bought a huge pumpkin cat that was already transferred without knowing that it doesn't go to you. I'm not rich so that just sucked
@MochadoFamily
@MochadoFamily 9 месяцев назад
They also could've put a warning when purchasing that it would not be available in the new game with a 5 second timer after it pops up so they don't just buy it quickly.
@BlueBerryPieCherry
@BlueBerryPieCherry 10 месяцев назад
I had a feeling when transfering pets they would lose value if they transfer it
@wyattrogers5608
@wyattrogers5608 10 месяцев назад
Says roblox is getting dry Tdx: are you sure about that?
@micnacsplayz5993
@micnacsplayz5993 10 месяцев назад
FINALLY PRESTON UNDERSTANDS THE FREE TO PLAY PLAYERS THAT ARE HAVING TROUBLES ON PET SIM X THIS GAME IS ACTUALLY GOOD FOR ME AND OTHER FREE TO PLAY PLAYERS THANK YOU PRESTON
@GirlThatSlays-13
@GirlThatSlays-13 10 месяцев назад
POV:you have school when it comes out
@brst828
@brst828 10 месяцев назад
The probblem with games is if the game is too f2p it will get boring like petsim2,but if the game is too p2w people will say the game is p2w the game will die like pet sim x
@unknownexestuffballer
@unknownexestuffballer 10 месяцев назад
i haven't watched you in awhile and i still love your content! your the best man..
@tysonkelly7256
@tysonkelly7256 10 месяцев назад
I agree with you and for me i think that there should still be gamepasses only p2w can get
@azlandastagir273
@azlandastagir273 10 месяцев назад
I’m so sad because in pet simulator x I had someone in my bank and didn’t know, and I stored my huge dragon in and they took it and I don’t have the tag on my dragon plush anymore 🙃
@aliyuba6417
@aliyuba6417 10 месяцев назад
Ten years later, introducing pat simulator 100
@potatomaster-bu5rj
@potatomaster-bu5rj 10 месяцев назад
Love the f2p aspect and ptw players only get an advantage/ head start and overall a really good game
@McNyoVlogs
@McNyoVlogs 10 месяцев назад
I have a feeling that in the trailer, it’s not gonna all come out at the same time
@humairkhan5527
@humairkhan5527 10 месяцев назад
great showcase have not watched you in a while but dont know why I left
@PaperPlane675
@PaperPlane675 9 месяцев назад
Yesterday i saw someone trying to do the free huge scam on others 😂 it was honestly hilarious how dumb it was. YET people fell for it. One bought a cyborg bunny for 10k gems.
@Creepy_Doggy
@Creepy_Doggy 10 месяцев назад
i think pet sim 99 will crash roblox almost intantly bc it´s getting hyped BEFORE it even came out lol overall nice and interesting video :)
@Badelo.
@Badelo. 10 месяцев назад
big games do not make "polished games" and make them "smooth" its just normal roblox
@OffsidePluto801
@OffsidePluto801 10 месяцев назад
Pet sim 99 is a mix between all the previous pet sims
@PetTaless
@PetTaless 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for telling me i would have never knew about the scams
@itssomethin
@itssomethin 10 месяцев назад
Bet that when this releases we wont even be able to play for awhile cuz the servers would most likely be blown up
@Hiii-0104
@Hiii-0104 10 месяцев назад
I am just wishing that PS99 is as clean as PSX I don't want it looking like PSX and Arm wrestling simulator had a kid. I just want that similar PSX Vibe.
@quincy6568
@quincy6568 10 месяцев назад
i bought a golden huge jolly penguin for 100b, and it was transferred. i thought i would get it in the new game, and found out it was basically worthless. ended up having to sell it for 40b 😭😭
@Spafty
@Spafty 10 месяцев назад
i mean originally i had 5 huges, now i have one, but i have 99 huges in the transfer box, and i got them just from selling transfered pets
@NATHANWILSON-y7s
@NATHANWILSON-y7s 10 месяцев назад
The other pet simulator games look so bad against this new game can't wait until its released
@FDLiquid
@FDLiquid 10 месяцев назад
I honestly can’t wait for this game. Also can I be the first in your clan?
@Darvandon_Gaming
@Darvandon_Gaming 10 месяцев назад
I just got scammed by not realising the pet was transferred it was on an auction and I didn't see the exclamation mark so I put in all my gems 4 billion to be exact it was a blue balloon cat but Preston needs to do something about it either you can't trade/auction transfered pets or when you buy/trade for it it's now un-tranferd that would make the game better by far
@RonelGarcia-bv1dz
@RonelGarcia-bv1dz 10 месяцев назад
W i wanna join your clan looking forward to it Nightfox your the best for me
@RealAshez
@RealAshez 10 месяцев назад
This game looks awesome I’m super hyped!
@QuebecoisModerne
@QuebecoisModerne 10 месяцев назад
It’s litteraly what I did. I sold my transferred exclusive for cheap, and got more exclusive with the money. Now I have 8 transferred exclusive in my PS99 account (I’m F2P so it ain’t bad) Also, something to mention about the new game is that stuff like the overboard will be free in PS99, so I think it’s pretty cool. So it’s still P2W but less than Pet sim X
@mattnash1977
@mattnash1977 10 месяцев назад
I hate pet sim 99 because if pets which you transfer to the game is really good then you will effortlessly get to the last world and people will just be better than others
@dylanmaxwellsadventures2488
@dylanmaxwellsadventures2488 10 месяцев назад
Luckily, you can’t transfer any pets that have actual pet power
@dylanmaxwellsadventures2488
@dylanmaxwellsadventures2488 10 месяцев назад
Only stuff that are exclusive related
@Edrev20
@Edrev20 6 месяцев назад
The game doesn’t give you to hatch huges, specially if you have the passes.
@Nemememin2
@Nemememin2 10 месяцев назад
I looked at calendar and realized that the game releases Friday and I don’t got school on Friday so imma grind
@PurpleFoxyGameing
@PurpleFoxyGameing 10 месяцев назад
Im a f2p player and this is awesome i cant wait to play
@Rayxzy
@Rayxzy 10 месяцев назад
Bro I spent all my gems on a transferred pet cuz I didn’t know 😭😭😭😭
@OscarRBLX.
@OscarRBLX. 10 месяцев назад
Pet sim 99 - Includes : Pet sim 1 features Pet sim 2 features Pet sim x features
@Crity1
@Crity1 10 месяцев назад
I also gave all my pets away so now I have no exclusives, eggs, and huges to transfer I didn’t know
@Tjmonke_og
@Tjmonke_og 10 месяцев назад
Thank god Preston made a separate price for transferred pets
@GamingGuy247
@GamingGuy247 10 месяцев назад
Guys read the FAQ, it only takes 1 minute (minimum) to read all of it.
@Rayxzy
@Rayxzy 10 месяцев назад
If you have vip in pet sim x, does it also get transferred to pet sim 99?
@dripbasicbee3085
@dripbasicbee3085 10 месяцев назад
11:54 nick gonna be working overtime 💀😂
@Godepell
@Godepell 10 месяцев назад
This happened to me but with a hippomelon and the game doesn’t say hippomelons can’t be transferred even though it’s an exclusive
@Godepell
@Godepell 10 месяцев назад
And I didn’t get any diamonds from the diamond mine when it was glitched so I don’t have any diamonds :(
@albie1kresna435
@albie1kresna435 10 месяцев назад
As a f2p trader the transferred pet is the most profitable thing that i can sell
@Mrtoast609
@Mrtoast609 10 месяцев назад
I have an idea all transferred pets that have been traded can be marked as not transferred so the scammers will lose their pets and you get to keep their pets please make this a thing preston
@delvintheunboxingchannel1104
@delvintheunboxingchannel1104 10 месяцев назад
i will literally grind my whole summer for this AMAZING EXCELLENT GAME
@lukqaz
@lukqaz 10 месяцев назад
this is not a scam. it says that the pet was already transferred which means that they dont need it in psx anymore. they sell it much under the rap so they get the gems to buy untransferred huges and titanics
@mattriedel9769
@mattriedel9769 10 месяцев назад
Just imagine how hard it’s gonna be to join this game or December 1st robloxs will be down for forever
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