The Grateful Dead encouraged fans to record shows and share tapes. They even set aside an area at the shows where recorders could set up their equipment. One of a kind group. Living by their own philosophy and values.
Within 2 years of this video Pink Floyd would be recording dark side of the moon.... That album will stand the test of time forever... Long after I die that album will live on For eternity. And Peter Grant was definitely the best manager ever in rock and roll
And here, we can see them doing a take for the backing track for Echoes, the very blueprint track for the remainder of their career... It was Echoes that made them realize that THIS is the way they should go henceforth.
If Peter Grant was Hendrix's manager, he wouldn't have fallen into the clutches of a Michael Jeffrey! I.E, Peter Grant had Led Zeppelin's financial interests at heart!
Hendrix died the day after M. Jeffries contract w/Hrendrix expired......Jeffries had also heard that Hendrix was not renewing that contract and wanted nothing more to do with the Guy because Jeffries was robbing Hendrix. I only found this out in the last few years.....puts Hendrix death under a suspicious light.
I wonder if the “Bagism” stuff they did for awhile had something to do with “we just want to be smacked out today on heroin”. Maybe the bag was a way to hide themselves, in case they were visibly messed up, nodding out, drooling, not able to speak, etc. 😂 Wouldn’t surprise me if that was their inside joke. Who knows with John and Yoko? 😆
We need guys like Peter Grant to stand up to Ticketmaster. Entertainment and ticket sales are definitely a part of capitalism that is way out of control. And ultimately comes down to the artist. Going to see a band these days is only a rich man's activity or so it seems.
Capitalism would be open market competition. This is essentially a monopoly, or duopoly, where a few companies have got together, bribe some regulators through lobbying, and given themselves a huge cash advantage. The politicians in both parties support it because they get a piece of the action. that is not capitalism. It’s much closer to Socialism, or what is called kleptocracy.
Anyone interested in Peter Grant and his life, and mostly his life with Zep, his book is "Bring it on Home". I'm 3/4 done with the Audible version and it's fascinating!
@@ProfessorKenneth Steve had to contend with Roger's asinine lawsuit and Roger ousting Rick Wright. In fact when Steve met Rick at the airport during The Wall sessions to inform Rick that Roger wanted him out Steve was in tears and Rick was in shock. Even David and Nick were against the move hence after Roger left, Rick came back and was eventually reinstated by David and Nick. Also Steve managed David, Nick and Rick's solo careers and when he passed away in 2003, they played at his funeral.
Screw the RRHOF, I prefer Johnny rotten view as these people at the RRHOF aren't music fans ,there corporate people,music executives etc. Look at the terrible concerts that have been there. Check out the crowd. Everyone's in suits, probably never bought a concert ticket for 30 years what a load of BS.
It’s doesn’t get any heavier than me is the best response Grant can give! If he was alive during the RU-vid years some arms and legs would be broken. RIP lad.
The record companies only cared about their own money, not about the artists. By the way, Grateful Dead actually were glad to have their concerts recorded by their fans. They didn't go bankrupt because of the thousands of recordings out there. They were also the top grossing concerts for years.
WOW at 1:47 you can see Nick Drake's second album bryter layter which at the time of release 1971, was not a big seller. It took people time to understand what a great musician he was, unfortunately after his untimely death.
"Blueberry Hill" was my first boot. Years later, just weeks after seeing Zeppelin in '75 some guy (still dunno who)... handed me 4 cassette tapes with both Seattle shows from '75 on them. FULL shows... damn good sound. The 3-21-75 show is widely available on RU-vid... but not the 3-17-75 show (?) Has to be somewhere. I put it on Napster !
Interviewer: What if you could obtain an exact duplication of the master recording via a wireless medium and not pay a cent? Or record a live concert with better then broadcast quality video and high fidelity audio from a device that could fit in your pocket? Peter Grant : Stay off the psychedelics son.
I want to put in a word for bootlegs. I know they are not approved by the band and there is no revenue going back to the artist but as a Pink Floyd fan (you hear Pink Floyd in the background of this documentary) I have bought many Pink Floyd bootlegs on record and CD but I already have a full collection of their official catalogue. The value of the bootleg album gives the listener an insight to the live performance of a band and Pink Floyd improvised a lot on their live performances which makes the bootlegs really amazing to listen to. Fat Old Sun, a track on the 1970 album Atom Heart Mother becomes a 20 minute epic masterpiece on the John Peel Paris Theatre sessions. Oakland May 9th 1977, Hollywood Bowl September 22 1972 are but a few of really defining Pink Floyd moments that would be lost forever if it not for the bootleggers.
Yes, i agree with every Word You say'd.... Without these illegal Fan Recording's, maybe a lott of verry important Moment's in the Rock History being lost Moment's.....We can be verry glad, that People had tryed to do Recordings of these Concert's , such Concert's as Example like Led Zeppelin's LIVE ON BLUEBERRY HILL , Led Zeppelin's EARLSCOURT, Led Zeppelin's LISTEN TO THIS EDDIE, Led Zeppelin's FOR BADGEHOLDERS ONLY, or Led Zeppelin's TEXAS POP FESTIVAL 1969, or LIVE AT FILLMORE WEST 27.4.1969, or finaly KNEBWORTH 1979 and the last Concert of the Band ever BONZOS LAST STAND BERLIN 7.7.1980.....and, and, and.... Millon's of Musiclover's are grateful for the Taper's Work and they'r Effort to freese this Moment's in Time for Eternity ..... And Yes, that Recording's still excist til today..... From time to time, some unheard Tape appear's..... GOD SAFE THE TAPER'S
@@johnebejer The Pink Floyd Sound. A few other names as well. The T-Set. The Abdabs, The Screaming Abdabs. There may be a few I've left off... Much like this guy though I think people called them 'the' Pink Floyd at times. As well as many thinking pf and lz were a single man. I remember hearing the name led zeppelin when I was a little boy, and I assumed it was a guy's name, lol.
The funny thing was , all the people who purchased the bootlegs, went to the concerts, purchased every album and single anyway! If anything the bands that were popular on bootlegs benefited greatly as time went on...it's the only time Peter Grant made a mistake, he actually should've encouraged it!
Yes if they were so stressed about losing money through bootleg sales all they had to do was record the live shows through the mixing board pop in the studio remix overdub the errors and sell them themselves problem solved. Studio quality momento's of a live event you attended who wouldnt wanna buy it?
also keep the quality of releases up.I mean in todays climate bands are represented by phone films on you tube where the audio is completely overloaded and abysmal. There will be people casting judgement on an act from this. Also in the film they discuss stolen / backhanded master tapes. its a known thing that some masters are available online to do your own fan remixes. Really famous ones. The pain you feel when your masters are stolen seriously aches. I have experienced that ache. So in a way Peter Grant was right to do his best to keep the lid on the quality of output. I don't think the money was really it, they had enough of it coming in. @@DiamonthdP
Peter Grant's biggest mistake in my opinion was not taking the route of having Led Zeppelin recorded live professionally and subsequently releasing an official live album sooner than "The Song Remains the Same". Jimmy Page ultimately rectified that with "The Way the West Was Won", but the time that had elapsed before this occurred dampened the immediacy of the impact.
Peter Grant....greatest manager in rock and roll. Guy did so many things right. But I think his only major folly was going after people recording Zep shows. It's unfortunate that Zep didn't take the approach that the Grateful Dead did. Let people record their shows but ask them to not sell bootlegs. Nearly every Zep show is available after a certain point, but some of the recording quality of the shows are atrocious. It would be nice for those of us who were too young to have been there to be able to hear more Zep. It's not like there's a lot of official live Zep available. Half dozen shows or so? I don't think the concert bootlegs would have interfered with Zeps money making abilities when it came to selling records. If anything, boots would make the band more desirable and more people would buy their official releases. Now, bootlegging official albums.....that's bad news. I'm glad he was after people that did that. The story of the Beatles record that was stolen is a bad one. People can be real scummy.
A Saturday visit to the record shops in Glasgow was amazing, 23rd Precinct and Listen were my go to places.... you could pick up all sorts of albums there.. long gone are the days of saving up your dough and jumping up to Glasgow on the train ...
Oh wow, the first time I saw this I don't know how I didn't realise that was *the* Virgin Records store and the manager telling all is Richard Branson 😂 What a video, so many great moments.
Oh the memories! I recall the Record Runner store near Syracuse University that sold bootleg records in the early 1970s. All the big names. Got a lot of Beatles boots there - I still have them! Although it was "you pay your money and you take your chances", when you got a good one it was so worth it!
I love Grant's late 60's and early 70's handlebar mustache before he grew his beard by 1973. Dude looked an absolute badass from head to feet. He could give everybody a funny but creepy straight stare into your face when he was alive.
The bootlegging got on a Train called the Internet and didn't look back. I wouldn't be surprised if Peter Grant is trying to get out of his grave to summon his wrath.
Only serious fans buy bootlegs....because they love the artists so much, and bought all the official releases....they'll buy bootlegs also....hasn't ever taken a dime from an artist....imo. Edit....I'm talking strictly live, audience recorded bootlegs, not stolen masters or private demos.....
I agree with you and also chances are if somebody wants some Master Tracks to get a better listen to isolated tracks which is why most of us desire those certainly those people myself included have bought dozens of the original copies of all their albums anyway so this really was much to do about nothing because to be honest most of the bootleg so I bought cost much more than the original albums anyway live or Studio recordings by the labels so this thing really is and has taken on a life of its own I understand somebody stealing Master Tracks as an artist I would be outraged that's pretty messed up if you're the artist but it would be nice if artists were a little more generous and sharing things like this for the people who really love and follow them and made them rich to begin with...
J'Mac ! Dumbfuck, the artist's own their music, so selling illegal recording''s of said music is fucking stealing you illiterate imbecillic moron, plus the quality of the product usually damages their status as artists. So basically STFU about what you know nothing about fool
Very True. In, fact, I thought the segment with Yoko saying, "Power to the people!" was kind of cool. Artists lose nothing by the sale of bootlegs, if anything, they may gain fans who may later go out and buy the official releases of the product. Like RU-vid videos, it's basically free advertisement. I'm strictly speaking of live concerts, though. Stealing from the master tapes is most definitely piracy!
Mike Millard was famous for bootlegging Zeppelin, among other artists. He put his recording equipment on the bottom of a wheelchair, and rolled himself into the show. . .en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Millard
What these clowns were doing is treating counterfeit STUDIO recordings the same as LIVE GIG recordings, when they are completely different things. A live gig comes and goes, any bootlegs will be nowhere as good as a pro recording. If an artist then releases a pro recording of that gig, then any bootlegs will be redundant and unsellable. This was the route Frank Zappa took with his "Beat The Boots" series of releases. Frank realised the demand was there, so, instead of constantly griping about it, he did the smart thing and filled it!
The ironic thing is that although Peter Grant was so much against bootlegging, he did make deals for Zeppelin which meant they got a decent amount of money and weren't exploited. This was unusual in the music industry where labels and managers often fleeced the artists. For the first few years Queen were on £50 a week whilst their manager was buying flash cars. I was born in the year this video was made. It's a different world now.
Jack Nelson was Queen's US manager and he was good but their UK managers The Sheffield Brothers were another story. Jack was interviewed for the 1995 Queen documentary Champions Of The World (authorized by the band) while the Sheffields were not.
innocent days, now they would realise all we wanted was a magic moment where we can hear the musicians playing their instruments, if anything now it's funny, they are paid by live performance, rather than recordings, and yes we are interested in their recording rather than bootlegs that we can make ourselves anyhow.
I like how in the first half they play several tracks from Pink Floyd's "More" soundtrack in the background im the first half. Not their most well known album, and two of those tracks are uncharacteristically heavy.
In 1971 Pink Floyd wasnt big yet...Meddle and Obscured by clouds weren't even out yet...Much later the big stuff like dark side of the moon, wish you were here, animals, the wall...Meddle would release later that year
@@granddukeofmecklenburg actually Atom Heart Mother hit number one in the UK charts the previous year so they were pretty big by then, domestically at least. Which is funny because they hate that album. Obscured by Clouds and More were also big hits in France more than they were in the UK, presumably because of their French Film counterparts. Sorry I've edited this comment about 10 times already, you may be getting some irregularities on the other end.
The actual story I heard was that Peter Grant caught the bootleggers in Munich himself and threw them off the balcony before destroying the equipment personally. The cops did indeed arrest them after, because you dont mess with G. Period.
If a band never plays the same way and only sells albums, I think it's only right that the boots bloom and I thank all the boots because since the royalties are strong and Zep's career is over, only the boots give us oxygen and I don't care how much it costs the band members, I think they are rich enough.
The Destroyer set of Led Zep was good ,,you had to be carful what you bought ,,There was a Rateing system Anything below a 7 ,but usualy an 8 was good ,,I had friend who pressed this stuff in Wherehouse until BPI bust in 82 ,,Covers were so,so ,,when ,,CDs came on market ,,Everything Changed i have so many its funny once in Awhile i go back and play one ,,Great Memories ,,i still have alot but ,,Today no one of Younger gen Really cares About music Anymore ,,its Cellphones and a Humdrum boring life these Kids missed so much of Great music ERA ,,
Would anyone know the name of the song playing in the background when the manager of the Virgin Records store is being interviewed (beginning at 2:31)? Thank you!
Ahhhh! Thank you! I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, but I've never listened to the More album, from which, as I now know, derives the song. Much appreciated, Mr. Morrissey!
So here Grant says that Blueberry Hill, the Zep bootleg was recorded through radio transmitters that went to a mobile recoding truck, which tells me that it was professional recorded by the mobile truck equipment
I think he was being a wise ass with that one. Doesn't look like there was recording gear set up that night. You can usually tell by the microphones on the drumkit at shows in those days
This Collins guy was quite a worm. Of course this was 1971 and over 50 years have passed. I'm sure his encounter with Peter Grant probably terrified him.Peter had a reputation of not being nice or understanding to anyone he caught illegally selling Led Zeppelin merchandise or recordings.
Today you'd wish someone would bootleg your show because that means somebody actually cares! This is when people cared so much about music that they would buy bootleg albums. Today the general public just listens to music passively.
Yes, funny. I read somewhere that Led Zep, in the beginning was introduced to the audience, not shure if it was Sweden or Denmark. "Welcome to Led Zeppelin and his orchestra" Lol
William Henry Pratt I'm white and live in the middle of the East End of London. I'm going out in a minute. I am of course shitting myself at the prospect of having to brave this Muslim no-go zone. Who the hell are you? Have you ever actually been to England?
Grant was a monster. Thugs are way more popular now than used to be - post 2016. These bands lost nothing to boots. Now bands sell their own at inflated price i.e Neil Young, Dead, Stones on and on.
