Peter Hitchens, Rod Liddle, Matt Goodwin, Flo Read, Rowenna Davis: the Alternative Election Hustings 

I'm non-binary and I'm voting Labour, I can't wait for the super Labour majority government! They're going to pass laws forcing you to recognise me and my people.

Thats what Peter Hitchens is trying to tell you here though. If you are against Labour as any rational person SHOULD be, then the only way to prevent a Labour government is to vote Tory. I myself would be voting for Reform UK if the incoming Prime Minister was not a Trotskyite! People do not understand just how far left the leader of this Labour party is and giving him the keys to number 10 will be the death of this country. This is not the time to waste your vote on Reform.

Then your logic is defective . If you vote Reform you will put Labour in Office. The Reform speaker actually admitted this.

Nearly 95% of INDIGENOUS BRITISH need to vote reform UK on July 4th to save Britain.....can't afford a labour Tory LIBDEM regime at number 10 😠

Honestly, skipped that bit 😂😂

I agree and would add that, however much I like Hitchens, he went on record for the past 5 years saying he no longer tried to shape events, but merely recorded them as an obituarist. He needs this rubbing in his face.

Hitchens is an overrated loon, he stands for nothing, much like his brother.

When capitalism fails, conservatives inevitably turn to fascism. You are part of a long tragic history.

Exactly!

I think you'll find those two words are not synonyms but antonyms!!

What will you gain by voting Reform??

@@oftbanned101 In what way?

it always boggles my mind parties say migration is good at levels now.. then talk about maintaining out green to fight pollution etc. Its like they do know bigger the population the less green we have right? trying to act like they can do both which is impossible.

@@Xeeni87 I concur 100%. Transporting people from low carbon lifestyles in the third world to high consumption ones in the 1st, having vast global diasporas who'll want to fly around the world just to visit family. So called free trade policies that simply relocate factories from nations with stringent environmental standards to far east nations with none. Nothing that our political establishment actually does suggest THEY believe a damn word of what they say on climate change.

Should say end MASS immigration. You can't just end all immigration... speaking more precisely on this will do your cause a favour.

Like his wit too, but unfortunately what he's saying makes no sense. Voting for the Cons will only result in them not learning the lesson they need to learn. They completely let the country down, more in the last term than at any other point. COVID, Wokery, Immigration, Energy inflation and on and on. Serious issues which they have simply failed completely on, and they were not that hard issues to fix, understand or get far better routes through than they divested decisions on to the like of Witty and Valence et al.

nobody likes Hitchens.

It's nauseating 🤢

Makes her perfect for Labour

She's not. The panel selection is just unfair. Labour would win anyway.

She's not fake or dishonest, she is just brainwashed and closed minded, even when facts were explained to her she still repeated her ideological propaganda that has been drilled in to her. I'm sure she actually believes she's on the best side, unfortunately she is far from it, she's on the virtue signalling irrational side.

So you've made that judgement about her and you're not even listening to what she has to say

Seconded.

Right Wing Echo Chamber this

It won't change the result of the elections, though, in the UK. And *white liberal women* are the problem. Just look at the panel in this debate ! 🙄 Because they live in wealthy and *safe* neighborhood, they are going to support policies that destroy the safety of less fortunate women (like mass immigration). It's almost to a point that I genuinely feel disgust for this group. THEY are destroying western countries all over. Since the 1970's an the endoctrinati..I mean educational camps that are universities, white liberal women are bringing us down.

BBC are a wing of the Labour party.

Maybe they will...One vote at a time ;)

It might be the future. I think we are due this, Labour and Conservatives are reprehensible.

@@adam7802 100% :)

If Labour were clueless why are they so far ahead?

Communists don't have a sense of humour!

​@@user-zc4yd9ss7his that a serious question at this stage in the game... Have you been away from planet earth for 14 years?

Voting for someone worse is hardly going to make things better

@@user-zc4yd9ss7h most people are clueless

Agree about L and C. Will R be better?

Hard to believe Hitchens can't see it.

@@tatianavinograd7591Well they can’t be worse. I’m giving them a chance. The change of tax threshold and them being anti-net zero, which will cost taxpayers hundreds of billions, is a huge reason for me to vote Reform, not to mention that Starmer is weak and pathetic. He still can’t say what a woman is ffs. May as well throw a wet wipe into number 10 when Labour get in.

She actually believes labour are with the people. The only reason people are voting for labour in this neoliberal form is because the conservatives have self imploded.

Truism if ever there was one. Think that nugget may have been lifted from Christopher’s repertoire - but glad Peter is carrying the baton forward.

😂😂😂

Dictators of Marx ideology. 200 years of failed Marx ideas, and no country that employed it became wealth only much poorer

And an abundance of Angela Rayner 🤦🏻‍♂️

No one starting a cultural movement? Like we've had June 1st and July 27th upcoming.

Exactly. Change won't happen unless you start the process by voting Reform July 4th

But if you split the right wing vote then Labour wins. Are you willing to pay that price? What message will you actually be sending? Labour won’t care once they’re in power.

@@alexanderh2345same athletic argument, vote positively not negatively.

@@abigailslade3824 I think voting is always a negative thing in some sense. You’re voting to put people in power over you. Be careful to whom you give that power.

@@alexanderh2345 Labour are going to win anyway and the Conservatives hasn't been conservative for at least 10 years. We have nothing to lose by voting reform

This is true

🤦

Goodwin has ulterior motives. You shouldn't trust him. Don't be taken for a fool.

I believe SDP & Reform have an informal pact of collusion. I think they should make that more known.

No, he's not.

The only speaker who thinks swearing is attractive. I like SDP policies and Rod but he needs to be more respectful of those who wish to listen to him without swearing!

SDP should partner with Reform

Exactly awful. Change has to start somewhere. Vote Reform July 4th and start that movement that might take 5-6 years like Matt says but start it now rather than later.

To be fair to him, he's concerned about an incoming Labour government poisoning the well of all future elections with their constitutional changes. I agree with him 100% that's a concern, but I also think Reform are worth the punt.

His point is that by voting Reform you’re handing the election to Labour bc you’ll split the conservative vote. It’s hard to unelect a party once they’re elected to power. 14 years of Conservative leadership shows that. Labour will have power for probably the same amount of time if not longer.

​@alexanderh2345 , yes I understand but look at what we've had with 14 years of the Conservative Party. I couldn't conceive any sensible reasoning to give them another bite at the cherry(so to speak).

I like how he makes that faint whistling noise when he speaks.

Change has to start somewhere. Why not now? Otherwise we go on endlessly and nothing changes. Vote Reform on July 4th and start that process. Yes it might take 5/6 years like Matt says. But start that process now so in 5-6 years we get that real change we crave in British politics. And better future for our kids. Vote Reform July 4th

Maybe one or two… JRM would join reform

@@lucabiagi1485 No. JRM is utter fake. He didn't oppose lockdown. So much for being in favour of liberty.

To save the Conservative movement and prevent the Labor Party from leading the country into a precipice from which it may never recover, patriotic members of the Tory Party must join Reform as soon as possible, before the election.

Yeah but the white liberal women are going to be an issue in this election. Because they live in wealthy and *safe* neighborhood, they are going to support policies that destroy the safety of less fortunate women (like mass immigration). It's almost to a point that I genuinely feel disgust for this group. THEY are destroying western countries all over. Since the 1970's an the endoctrinati..I mean educational camps that are universities, white liberal women are bringing us down.

She couldn’t be honest as she would lose all support!

He did

The SDP are a better bet.

@@collydub1987 The SDP are not running in many seats by the sound of it but they have a pact with Reform apparently, so they are both aligned. Makes sense as well, I think having both getting seats would be good for our democracy.

He was DPP when the Muslim grooming gangs were operating (and still are!)

Yes, and I could see Labour revelling in locking up anyone who dares to question it. If we thought Tories were bad, and they have been, it will be far worse under Keir Starmer and co, and he might even get ousted at some point. The Labour party is divided over Israel/Gaza situation for example and we all know why but are not allowed to say it.

Team SDP-Reform

I wish we could convince Labour to do the same

​@@odiedodieukkeep at it ❤ spreading the word. Don't give upv💪👍👌🇬🇧❤️

We need to get rid of this liberal left government with socialist policies.... Unfortunately you can't cure socialism with more socialism, socialism makes you poorer

You will live in a hell scape of your own making

ZERO SEATS? So all those TORIES who did the HARD GRAFT to make BREXIT work (from new trade deals to re-writing 100,000s of new regulations), they all have to lose their seats now? Why. They did nothing wrong. They did the REAL WORK whilst Farage just sat their making $$$ in America. Some people have no honour. Englishmen don’t attack their own.

They sent their best tho......

@@paragondega Sad but true.. Who else could they get, Rayner? Ashworth, Burgon, Lammy? I wouldn't trust them to spell Whelk stall let alone run one. Have you seen Reeves lately, she looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights because she knows what's coming and that she's not up to it. Rayner and the rest definitely aren't up to but think they are and that's even worse.

Vote Reform and join the silent majority!

@@stuartmenziesfarrant I can't say I'm confident that we are a majority right now. Theres just to many leftists and our side is fractured between npcs, tactical voters and people who don't see the point in voting any more.

That's the Labour Party as a whole, the best they can offer is midwittery whilst smiling on one side of their face and sneering and those "beneath" them with the other.

Champagne socialists, blue haired Lefties, and immigrants.

A load of idiots will vote for labour,unfortunately. I know of a few of them, who actually believe in open borders, and who believe that the tories are a hard right party.... They're out there! 😬

Here in south Wales. Can't understand it but the labour party has this country by the nuts. And thatcher was decades ago but it still gets mentioned.

Nah greens girl just hasn't sold out yet, giver her 5 years and a baby and she'll be the spitting image of the labour rep.

Cities like Liverpool will always, ALWAYS, vote Labour. Usually because, well just because 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️🤷

That the Tories are SO committed to Open Borders they will commit electoral suicide rather than lift a finger to control it - tells you something very disturbing.

The two party establishment represent the WEF globalists.

Green lady isn’t a candidate, she’s a member of the Unherd team.

Unfortunately, if the Conservatives were 'tories' they would not have fallen prey to the globalists. Conservatism is nothing more than a break on progressivism. Concurrently social reform has been overrun by the Internationalist neo Marxism known as Critical Social Justice. The Tories were originally the landed gentry who wanted to lead society by example, promoting commercial and traditional interests and cultural values.

Net Zero is not nutty. It’s evil.

The green party are the biggest opponents of Nuclear firstly but also bizarrely solar. The Green Party Nimbys protest every solar farm proposed in this country.

Peter is a mong. "the country is broken, it's fucked, we're going off a cliff... here's why you should continue to vote for the same corrupt and incompetent status quo. he's such a boomer bore. if he thinks the conservatives aren't done already, he's insanely out of touch

@geejaybee - hard to disagree with any of that, why all 17.4 million Brexit voters don't just vote Reform is a mystery, they either want Brexit and a Reform type of manifesto enacted or they want to continue with the status quo , Matt Goodwin's position is entirely logical

Labour stole the slogan “Vote for Change” from Reform UK. Great to see Reform UK up their game again and came back with “Vote Reform UK for REAL Change”. ✌️🇬🇧🥇

Like Tice trying to prove he isn't racist to everyone

You’ll get Labour you fucking idiot

​@@Mickywayor like people crying "racist" because they haven't got any actual arguments.

​@@chuck1804Reform attracts racists though, so many candidates caught saying racist stuff. One just the other day said "slaughter migrants". They're a rabble of loons

Labour are basically going to be even more of what the Cons did.... so even more taxation, even more public squandering, even more benefits going out, even more immigration, even more issues of wokery, even more integration into above state level treaties that will bind our hands and give us no say over how our country operates (see the WHO proposed treaty that will give them the power to lock us down yet again when the next new cold comes along from a lab somewhere in China.....)

Labour dont make points, they make virtue signals, and cant understand why more and more people are laughing at the obvious naivety of their positions, which are simplistic and childlike, appealing to pure emotion while disregarding logic.

He did appear to depart the lecturn only telling us what we should NOT do, without a clear direction

It is difficult to choose between Goodwin and Hitchens. Hitchens' point is that Labour are so committed to expanding the vote to 16 year olds that, if they get in, under FPTP, even if the Tories are destroyed in the next few years and Reform become the main opposition, Reform will never be able to overturn the electoral advantage that will be given to Labour (since they'll have control of the institutions during this period). Goodwin argues that the next election is existential for the country and so we'd better get on with building strong foundations now. But with mass immigration projected to continue at huge levels in the next 5 years, combined with the expansion to 16 year old voters, I'm sceptical as to whether there even is going to be a possibility of mounting a challenge to Labour under Reform in 2029, because the maths will be so overwhelmingly against them by then even if they get a few seats in 2024.

How would you say Conservatives values stand re the NHS - Is it an institution to be preserved, or an asset to be sold off like other vital infrastructure, ie water, energy, trains? I am truly interested because the NHS, surely, is one of the best things about living in the UK, something we have all needed at various times of our lives, and our families' lives, yet it is in the hands of the democracy and the tax payer, the end user - ie if your ideology is neoliberalism/free market , low regulation, and barest minimum of voter influence in the democracy we live in (a very top down style of rule, not democratic at all really, ie limited power of redress - as in water company monopoly and polluting with impunity) it is not clear whether the Conservative view is to hold onto , and manage well this asset (in conservation of the principle) , or if the Conservative ideology is that the voters should own no assets, not because it is socialist but because in a class based system you need an unhealthy pyramid, ie a lot of people at the bottom to exploit for their labour and from the shallow pockets of in order to keep the pyramid peak well provided and sloshing in excess? New Labour also follow the neoliberal donor model, and they will not be standing by the people who need the state to ensure this asset of public health remains fit for purpose at the best price to taxpayers - Blair's opening of NHS to free markets weakened our economy of scale that helped protect it as a large body from drug price hiking by big pharma, and Starmer is every bit likely to action the rest of the neoliberal plan - it has been a very long time in planning, this steal, and required millions be spent by those who wish to possess the profits from it, at the expense of the public, mainly by oversees would be 'investors'. What kind of political party, or politician enables foreign interference to destabilise the lives of the very people that they profess to serve? Every other story we are fed through the media is a distraction, a smoke screen so that we blindly mandate these bad faith actors to rob us and our families blind. It wasn't enough to create a pyramid scheme out of our public housing stock, leaving our young with dire housing options of rooms in HMOs, and drained of the funds to find lives of their own, always someone and something else to fleece for the cash that those at the top are burning of decadence hedonism and rolling stone futures - like so many high rolling gamblers (only with our hard earned and scraped money).

Starmer is a closet communist. You can't vote Starmer. Nasty tax surprises on the way. Farage won't get enough seats to make a difference now. He is preparing for 2029. The safe bet is actually Rishi Sunak. Q4 2024 is at 2.2%. My vote is with Rishi Sunak.

​@@juliahartshorn2473Bla bla bla bla. Who is going to read such a long post ? Think before you type.

I was thinking that!

Piss poor audio

Yes. Nothing will change, if people keep voting for the same parties.

If you are in that situation then it is proof that the old system has let you down. 🤷‍♀️

@@claudiavonayres9186 sadly i live in Wales so im in labour area so trust me when i say if ur in a position I'm in ur fked (harsh word needed) when they get into office .. but i also know its same position in England ... neither party sees people in my position. Hence why i find myself cant vote for either ... i voted Tories for Brexit hoping for a change in thinking with brexit to be more inner focused and getting people with disabilities to help lower job and being more productive but never happened. Feeling let down is a understatement.

@@Xeeni87 +1. I'm in Wales. Labour bring socialist decay everywhere they go. It's depressing to watch. The philosophy of resentment, jealousy and emotionality is extremely destructive. People think it's bad now, they have no idea what's coming! #VoteReform

@@ashmash1934 hear hear

Reform are for the disabled. Vote Reform ❤

Feminists caused thie mess. Lay in the bed you made!

Kellie-Jay Keen POW Party Of Women!

Yes I’m voting for her party candidate in Herts - POW!

articulate & incisive.

Quite so, and let's not forget unindicted war criminal Joe Biden blowing up the Nordstream 1 and 2 pipelines. Even if he is a one-term president he may still have a go at blowing up the Turkstream pipeline.

Change has to start somewhere. Why not now? Otherwise we go on endlessly and nothing changes. Vote Reform on July 4th and start that process. Yes it might take 5/6 years like Matt says. But start that process now so in 5-6 years we get that real change we crave in British politics. And better future for our kids. Vote Reform July 4th

How can you predict what will happen in 5-6 years? And will Reform actually be what you want it to be then?

He calls Starmer a cynic but then scoffs at reform. Every fucking election is the literal apocalypse if labour get in. Man needs new talking points, it's all way too personal for him.

@@alexanderh2345 Time will tell, let’s be honest here though both Labour and Conservative have failed miserably for years.

@@LabRat003 And Labour is about the get the win if the conservatives split. Peter’s point is that Labour is so much worse. So is it really worth it?

As every communist ever - inner circle of power and lots of yes-man to surround themselves. Brainwashed drones

I'm.pretty sure she's not that innocent. To suggest she's so innocent is also to suggest that she's totally thick, which she isn't. She's just deranged!

The smirk on her face as she looked the mother in the eye and said labour will keep the peace. The innocence is a facade.

@@dontcallthemliberals3316 I think by that point she was just completely lost. It was like she'd never been confronted with alternative opinions in real life before. She might watch this back and wise up a little. However, if she was standing as an actual MP the Labour Party wouldn't have even allowed her to come here in the first place. Labour have basically replaced politicians with the sort of women you'd normally find working in HR departments - i.e. women that are careerist and sociable, but that aren't thinkers. The Labour parliament will just be a PR department for the state, filled with people that have no idea what's happening out in the country, and no idea what the state is actually doing.

100% :)

Rod is good for "another" 100 years :)

Change has to start somewhere. Why not now? Otherwise we go on endlessly and nothing changes. Vote Reform on July 4th and start that process. Yes it might take 5/6 years like Matt says. But start that process now so in 5-6 years we get that real change we crave in British politics. And better future for our kids. Vote Reform July 4th

That’s true, dear. Still I would say just the speech of Goodwin should be viewed more.

The one from Hawaian restaurant Aloha Snackbar?

Exactly what I was thinking

What a strange takeaway!

@@ohwellwhateverr It wasn't my 'takeaway'. I just wrote it spontaneously when Freddie said it at the interval, mainly to see if I was alone in noticing. The smattering of likes it got in 30 minutes is enough to make me happy. I'm not alone. My actual takeaway is more like: 'we probably shouldn't have given women the vote'. ;)

Australians still say loo

@@grannyannie2948 Good on them! I've always had a soft spot for Aussies. The word toilet makes me shudder almost as much as 'serviette'.

@@ashmash1934where do you stand (or sit) on “lavatory”?

That cracks me up. Poor Pete can’t think outside the box.

When the actual time comes for the type of real change he proposes - he always back away from it. He did over Brexit, after years of writing very critical things of the EU with regards to German expansionism, the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties - doesn't bother to vote in the referendum. Opposed lockdowns from the start - but then takes the "cure" to be able to travel and says that "people just have to accept these types of restrictions from now" - saying look at the opinion polls(which in this debate he dismisses). From the 2000s, says the Tories are part of uniparty block of metropolitan liberalism and have to be destroyed in order for something better to come along - now when there's a very real chance of doing that - "we have to vote Tory other it will be Blair Mk. 2 under Starmer(who is going to win any way)". He doesn't have the courage of his convictions.

@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat Spot on!

and utterly intolerant of anyone else.

Have a word with yourself.

Or jimmy saville

No sense of humour whatsoever.

But she'd be happy for Labour to dish out orders from the far left perspective of course if they were elected.