The fact that Ian bottled up his problems to keep his friends motivated shows what a great guy he was, just so sad that the help available now wasn't back then or he may still be here.
BayviewFinch Not What He meant dude. He meant that He didn’t want to show his emotions and how He felt in order to keep everyone else in the band happy. A very selfless thing to do.
Harrowing how desperate he must have been. He seems like a beautiful soul who's essence not just made some of the most iconic music but kept people around him going. Rip Ian Kevin Curits.
Ten years ago, I saw Peter Hook and the Light perform two sets consisting of "Unknown Pleasures" and "Power, Corruption and Lies". One of the best shows I've ever seen.
The saddest thing to me is that the first suicide attempt looked more like a cry for help than an actual attempt at taking his life. You just never know.
Hook is definitely in my top five bass players along with Lemmy. Anyone who can play a bass as lead guitar is a genius in my opinion. Have to agree with him on Curtis. A friend died and I didn't go say my goodbye, didn't go to the funeral as I'd dated his sister years ago and we still do not get along. I am absolutely gutted I didn't take the chance. Hid my own grief
I,m a joy division fan.i have ms and can suffer from depression,so called experts think they know it all!......they don,t!....and some medication can make you feel worse.you just have to find in life what you like and love doing.gotta go for it,only one life😀
When he said modern day doctors looked at Ian's prescription and said "that was guaranteed to kill him", did he mean the epilepsy drugs contributed to his bipolar/depression, or did he mean they would have eventually physically killed him via toxicity?
I was wondering this too! I assume it is the emotional piece. Any medication that’s acting on the nervous system has such scary potential emotional side effects. And they had him in so many things at once, yikes! Poor Ian. He deserved so much better.
I have epilepsy myself and I think it's likely Peter was talking about side effects carbamazepine can bring on suicidal thoughts . Ian Curtis so sadly gone to soon.
I know its hypothetical, but I suspect that Joy Division would have imploded on that U.S tour and New Order would have formed iregardless of Ian's suicide.
I love how at 23 hooky was a mans man in the pub , or maybe that was the way it was then , 23 year olds now are definitely not and not in the pub , it’s sad .
***** I'm not the Joy Division fanboy that romanticizes anything, I just think people forget that Ian was human too. Also no it was not well enough understood to diagnose a plethora of different mental illnesses, for all we know Ian could've been schizophrenic. Also that isn't actually true about if he didn't have epilepsy he wouldn't have committed suicide, when he was a teenager he told his then girlfriend Deborah that he would kill himself before he turned 25. Keep in mind that was before he had epilepsy, I personally think Ian was planning on doing it long before he eventually did it. I just think his affair and his epilepsy, as well as his fame sent him over the boiling point and he finally did it.
Ian was writing lyrics that hinted at suicidal tendencies before his epilepsy and pills and all that. Epilepsy, meds etc... probably drove him to that destination faster by enhancing his depression and anxiety but on their own, they do not get you into suicidal depression. Being laddish etc... doesn't guarantee that a person is not depressed. In fact most people who are suicidal look very normal on the outside just because they want to hide their vulnerabilities from the others.
Hooky is a great bass player, but he's no poet. He's exploited his connection with Joy Division to the max. I totally understand why the other members of the band don't talk to him (circa 2019).
