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So when you first go to rob the Hammerites, you can make infinite hammers in their forge, but the engine doesn't really do physics, so if you drop them on the floor they will clip through each other, and so eventually I made a carpet of hammers.
It still amazes that we had the tech for binding AI behaviours to ambient features such as light and sound (I ain't a tech guy, that is the easiest I can say that) all the way back in 98. What amazes me even more is that there are games from the modern era of video games that can't get this shit as right as one of, if not, the first game to properly implement this.
Not even the only amazing thing in TDP that holds up today. Download the creative EAX sound program and enable it in options. Echoes and directional sounds are enhanced to the point you can tell what direction someone's walking in from the next room over or the room below. Looking Glass really did not get the respect they deserved while the studio was still around.
Absolutely. As far as I remember LG made sound a top priority in their design choice early on & even developed something like their own engine just for the sound propagation through levels. Was mindblowing back in the day to have the feel that the AI 'didn't cheat' but reacted to your actions in a more truthful way.
@@henrydorsett6076 Imagine where we'd be now if the industry hadn't spent decades consistently sacrificing in every other area to maximize graphics. I would have been happier with, say, Dishonored 1 and 2 if they'd had slightly worse graphics and used the extra memory and processing power to make more detailed levels and sound behavior. They like to bill themselves as a successor to Thief, but they're shallower in nearly every way.
@@passingrando6457 I think it is actually easier today to achieve this, at least technology-wise. It is the strange marketing / design choices that kill the true in-depth experience building that we loved at the original Thief games... But ye, very much agree with you. :/
@Maintenance Renegade I like your speculation If someone would write a book based on the Thief series, i would like to see Garret being a librarian who loves classical music by day and master thief by night
@Maintenance Renegade I know that this is just for fun and not exactly serious, but unfortunately the man is a misanthrope who utterly hates dealing with people. He loves thieving too much, so even though he keeps talking about his eventual retirement he likely only lives and breaths thieving.
I just love the idea that even though he's a master thief, Garrett barely knows how to manage his money. Sure he can empty out a mansion in an evening, but once he gets to the fence he only ever gets maybe a third of what the stuff is worth, and most of that goes to buying gear, paying off informants, and -booze, snuff, and whores- "ancillary expenses", so when the end of the month comes it's anyone's guess if he has the rent money. Of course, thieving ain't exactly steady work, so you never know when you're gonna hit a dry spell.
I kind of think that he is an honest thief that only steal from the corrupted wealthy individuals. Spend most of income on rent, food, and his equipment so he can do more thiefing. Its a nasty cycle. But his talent is so much worthwhile if he used it appropriately.
You know what the worst and best part about playing this game when I was younger and certain bits getting stuck in my brain? I have literally been standing post and whistling the same tunes as the guards. Oh god.
I think I might try to get famous simply to have the leverage to force Civvie Mandalore Purposeless Rabbit Holes Ahoy and Raycevick into a room. Occasionally the guy from GVMERS narrates. And oddheader tells us about what’s in Civvies drink. Tell me you don’t want this show
@@chadrageus It's my absolute favorite. But despite its charm and atmosphere it is, objectively, clunky, frustrating and cumbersome to play by modern standards and, gameplay wise, has been long since blown out of the water by Human Revolution and Mankind Divided.
Just did a 7th re-playthrough of the whole Thief series. Even if there may be things I remember and they get a bit dull, I still feel like it's my first-second time playing, it feels so legendary, you know?
Had the same feeling with dishonored upon replaying it (stealthily) after years. I think it's because with these games every second of playtime is so intense due to the stakes never lowering. Your very next move decides if the last 20 minutes of gameplay were in vain.
Awesome how this game gives time to relax and make decisions carefully. This was before the ps2 age, where 3d fast paced action games could be implemented properly. So many great stealth, strategy and rpg games came back then.
The soundtrack is awesome. It actually just consists of ambient sounds, not songs, but they are so individual for each level that listening to their compilations is worth it.
I feel him though. It's an extra challenge sure, but using your gizmos and weapons is part of the game. Heck getting caught and making your escape or fighting is part of the stealth game too.
@@DigitalFulcrum Same with some other stealth games, like I know it can make for a decent self imposed challenge to play a game like Dishonored without using powers, but I feel that takes the fun out of it for me personally. When I play Dishonored I just avoid use of any lethal powers and live out my fantasy of being Nightcrawler from X-Men.
I don't do total ghosting but also hate knocking everyone out with the blackjack. I prefer a "stealth simulation" style play and try to approach a mission realistically, never touching anyone, staying hidden at all times, using other tools or running away only when absolutely necessary. Basically like trying to ghost with no quickload. Whatever happens happens.
There is a fanmade thief game called the dark mod, running on a modified doom 3 engine and is free and all levels are made by fans, i highly recommend it.
I had bren playing The Doom Mod since it went being free game (5 years? More?) And I don't recommend it before playing Thief - it's not as enjoyable as Thief games
>hammerites bad Anyone who makes this statement unironically did not actually play Thief 2. Hammerites are goddamn saints compared to the mechanists and even some of the pagans. THOU ARE THE NAIL.
The Sneaky upgrade remedies A LOT of issues I had with Thief 3, including random crashes and small levels (as it merges many areas into one), so yes, if you play Thief 3, do use it.
For anyone curious the game fails your rescue goal in the second mission because the dude drops dead. Not because Civvie screwed up. Also getting 100% of the treasure is not hard, just tedious and not fun to watch.
Thief 1 and 2 are still some of my all time favourite games ever and it's insane that they still really haven't been topped as the absolute best the stealth genre has to offer. The open ended mission structure and objectives that change depending on the difficulty (why do so few games do this?) even encouraged me to do something I rarely do: replay them over and over. It's a delight to see this channel play them and I can't wait for the rest of the series.
Thief (particularly the 2nd game) is one of my favorite of all time. No coincidence that it's up there with System Shock 2. It would be awesome if you would check that out next, it's an absolute classic.
I have a theory that the cragscleft prison camera's are actually just dudes in the ceiling using submarine telescopes, which would explain how they're seemingly more efficient then Karras's camera's
0:47 Eh... Sometimes it truly feels like I'm the only person in the world that actually - wholeheartedly - loves System Shock 1 in its original, non-enhanced state. First played it in 2012, btw.
I played the EE with every enhancement turned off … _except_ for the controls. I gave the OG setup the old college try and it literally made my head hurt after an hour of playing. Love the game though, the aesthetics and "not having a spider egg hunt puzzle" aged way better than 2 in my book.
Many gave up too quickly on controls, but practice makes them quick and sure. You could go prone, look AND SHOOT around corners invisibly to hostiles. How many games had prone? In any era?
ah yes, a horror adventure game with some elements of thiefing, fantasy and 1-st person shooter Thief - the legend and a god of all stealth games RIP tho
I remember when I were a wee bairn, I made a fan level for Thief as part of a competition on the Looking Glass forums. As a prize, I got a bunch of CDs containing what was at that point every single fan level on the Keep of Metal And Gold fan mission repository. I still have them around actually.
Second one in Cragscleft was technically not a sewer, more a room rather than tunnels and probably used for drainage. Not that we wont have enough to count later. The Thief Gold version includes some extra levels that, regrettably, are kind of rushed compared to vanilla. One is Sewers The Game The Level and it probably accounts for more than all the sewers we have counted so far.
@@VimyGlide Genuinely one of the worst levels ever (in a functional "good" game). Which is interesting since T1/2 also has some of absolute very best level design gaming has to offer. Just goes to show how much the gameplay was designed to make it's level layout matter - that it can produce both ends of the spectrum so seemingly effortlessly. Saddest part is that the idea behind 'thieves guild' is brilliant (like any of Looking Glass's ideas, really). It just takes a nosedive in execution and flow/polish.
Why do people dislike thieve's guild? It's not just sewers, it's also a small bar and casino, 2 mansions and one underground thief hang out. No part of it looks rushed compared to something like that reused mansion level of thief 2 (the actual worst level imo, just plain lazy and uninspired).
15:32 "Don't do this!" Right after watching this video I bought Thief Gold, attempted that, and succeeded on the first try. You should absolutely do this
OOOOH!!! I hope you touch on The Dark Mod. It's a stealth game based on the Doom 3/Quake 4 engine but its all community supported. Probably the game that pushed Id Tech 4 about as far as it went. It's really the continuation of Thief instead of the mess that was released a couple years ago. A lot of the fan missions are really solid. The Thief IP is still all protected by copyright so they can't call it Thief, but its basically Thief on the last great John Carmack engine. Before the Dark Times. Before the Megatextures.
@@DriveCarToBar In Rage, sure. But in Doom '16, it's much clearer. Doom Eternal ripped out the megatextures system, but is very clearly using a virtual texturing and texture streaming system---Y'know, like megatextures. So it's less that they've ripped it out and more that they've refined the technology.
@@MosoKaiser No, the problem was pretty evident. It just may not be the problem that you think it is (Shamus Young did a whole video explaining that deal: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BiQCz2NjPR8.html). It's got very little to do with graphical fidelity (which is good, especially given what happened with its implementation in Rage...) and a hell of a lot more to do with freeing the art team up to do interesting things with the world. Which is very much on display in Rage's art... but that game had a lot of other problems. I'm not saying Rage is great or the pinnacle of everything (I'm not even saying Rage is good), I'm just saying the Megatextures get a lot more shit they than deserve, and the technology they pioneered, virtual texturing, seems to moving into other places as well and gaining a lot of traction, despite the proclamations that it's "dead". Dice used a version of Virtual Texturing in BattleField 3 (although it wasn't much like what was in Rage, more of a performance optimization), Far Cry 4's Adaptive Virtual Texturing System is a lot closer to id's megatextures, GPU APIs like DX and OpenGL have added hardware support for Virtual Texturing, and Unreal Engine 4 is working on adding a virtual texturing implementation to their engine (based on a middleware made by a company Epic bought out) as we speak. And of course Doom Eternal ripped out Megatextures, but the virtual texturing system didn't go with it (which I noticed, because my hard drive is slow and I can see textures stream in when looking at the model views...).
Man, I have revisited these games so often. I just love 'em. Now, I want to do it again. Still the best stealth games to me (the first three, anyway). It's a damn shame that the stealth subgenrene hasn't been explored more thorughly. If it's done well, it is so immersive.
God, the Prologue of Thief is up there with the Croft Manor from Tomb Raider 3 as everything I love about training missions. A comfortable, homely environment that still gives you plenty of different locales to either hone your skills or to just vibe. I remember playing around in the Manor alot as a kid, and when I picked up Thief a year or so ago, I very easily could've imagined kid me doing the same in the Prologue.
Ahh yes time to listen to the thief playlist to fall asleep to again. Thanks civvie for being one of the few people i can fully watch and also being one of the videos i can fall asleep to cause i find your voice and videos entertaining and calming.
So happy to see this! One of my most favourite games, even more so than Thief 2 (which was also excellent). Thief is magic. I love that almost all bits of text you read is unique, and either relevant to the current mission/location or else relevant to the greater story.
Fun fact: Elders Scrolls V Skyrim thieve's guild questline is heavily a homage to the Thief series, to the point of the voice actor of Garret also voicing the guildmaster Mercer Frey.
As much as shitty bethesda became ( although I appreciate skyrim for modding), Bethesda always had a connection with LGS guys, and they always made homages to them.
17:25 this shit right here is what i miss from old classics like this. Whether intentionally or accidentally these awkward mystifying scenes crack me up. Gets cracked in the head and meekly yells “hes got a bow!” Then runs and gets cracked again lol
If there's anything that can make waking up late feel better, a Civvie Thief video would be it. And it looks like we've got per-level breakdowns so this could be a really nice series that lasts...years. 0_o *takei oh my*
This and Postal videos are my favourite Civvie 11, when you talk about these two games it's like you are some character who is a part of their world and knows almost everything. It's like those narator characters from old literature, who are sharing the knowledge of the world with you in that special way where they grab hold of your attention with minute details that are just fun and interesting. I'm sorry I do ramble a bit, but you do great videos :) keep up the good work
I love how texts are presented in Thief games. You can see the page or parchment they're written on. It's a small detail but it adds to the immersion. I really wish Arkane would've done something similar for the Dishonored games.
Many things about these games blew my mind, but the thing that most impressed me was the actual collision in the sword fighting. Sure you start with three scripted attack motions and one block motion, but the swords rebounded off each other depending on how and when they actually hit each other. It made for some actually engaging melee combat, and when I got good enough that I could go full murder mode even in this genuine "you're too weak for a head-on fight" stealth game, it became a true accomplishment taking on three guards at once, or those goddamn hammer haunts. They still hold the record for the vidya game enemy that gave me the most anxiety with their awful sounds when I'm trying desperately to crawl into a crack in the stupid noisy floor that just alerted them. Turns out they're kinda glass cannons, but boy are they FAST with that blade. I felt like a badass when I finally cut one of them down, and I felt like a minor god when I defeated two of them together in the Old Quarter.
Or you can just go in and out of their attack range with the overhead power attack. Or get every guard in one room, flash bomb, then blackjack them all.
@@jasonfenton8250 heck yeah, trying to see how many guards you can conk before the flash wears off is a quality challenge. I used to also kite together as many zombies as I could in the Bonehoard, then go to town on them with holy water arrows and explode as many as possible with as few arrows as possible. Splash damage was pretty minimal but enough to get two or three with each arrow if they line up right.
But "pro" just isn't about skill... Civvie's knowledge of development backstory and ability to plainly explain what makes a game great, horrible, pioneering or historically significant is what keeps me watching...
@@JP_Crimson Not really, he played it on Well Done, not on Extra Crispy - because the 3/5 (Lightly Broiled) is like Shadow Warrior's hardest skill, and Well Done is harder, and Extra Crispy is like play a casual game of Minecraft WHILE BEEN SET ON F*CKING FIRE! (p.s.:I hate self censoring too, but i even more hate the F*CKING SYSTEM who make me self censore! Because when i didn't, i got the warnings and bans from everywhere from Facebook, to youtube.)
Love you Civvie11! You make the very best video-game related content I've ever seen. They are instant gold. Also happy 420! P.s. I want to smoke the trees in Thief. 4:48 Tell me those aren't buds...
Love this game (and Thief 2). Glad to see you cover this one. It's a brilliant game and one of the first first person perspective games at the time to forego a ton of combat for being sneaky but without being annoying about it.
Dude I remember seeing this game back around 2000 in a local PC shop. I was only able to play around with it for a few minutes, but it it stuck with me, what with how unique and advanced it was, for the time.
Can't wait until he gets to Constantine's Mansion. I don't know what kind of fucked up drugs the devs were taking when making that level, but I WANT SOME.
