Phillips 3200 Series LatteGo - Trying to make sloppy pucks. (See Description for Update) 

This has been discussed already in other comments. Thank you.

True

and what happens if you adjust it while it's plugged off and then you plug it in? it simply won't work?

I set the grind at 6-7 dot and usually use it for coffee. I have found that max water volume does dilute the shots a bit, so I normally do espresso with the middle light on the water volume setting.

Yeah, it's been like that for me too. This video was an attempt to figure out how to make them sloppy, but I didn't have much luck.

We got one this week. I have not seen pucks yet. Just grounds

Sorry i should have followed up. It took only a few more days but now we get nice pucks

Is the container for used grounds full or empty? I do see some grounds in the water and have to spray some residue out of the drip tray when I empty the grounds container.

Yes, when moving in the direction to make the grinds more 'fine' this is definitely true, as you are bringing the grinding surfaces closer together and might be 'clamping' down on the beans between them. When moving in the other direction to make the grind more 'coarse' this is less of an issue, as you are opening the space between the grinding surfaces and not putting any additional pressure or stress on the grinding surfaces or mechanism. Thanks for your comment!

You also might notice that I paused the recording to bring the grinder to the fine setting while it was running.

@@BryanKlein should be in video but great anyway!

1 is for the finest? I take it that 12 stands for the finest😂. Also, I can’t understand which end of the panel is 1 and which is 12.

@@JoejoeDoudou yeah me too I thought if i turn it to the left it goes more finer “1” but I understand it wrong ! So which side if we turn it it goes more finer ? To the right side i guess ! There is no indication that show where my grinder is set now !😂

Please check back in here with your experience. 🙂

Got mine today and freaked out a little after looking into a coffe grind soup... hoping my pucks look like yours after a while....

@@CitizenNerd how are them pucks looking now? We've just installed our 3200 lattego and the pucks are soupy

i got mine 2 day ago, pucks are still random pieces... not a regular puck as seen in this video... How many coffes you had to make to achieve a nice puck?

@@georgealex19 same here. How many coffees you had to make to achieve a nice puck?

The working theory is that well-formed pucks are better, indicating that the correct amount of grounds were used and pressed, to achieve the right pressures and flow through them.

@@BryanKlein oh ok yeah that makes sense to me. I was confused by the video title lol, not sure why you would chase bad coffee

@@CHAPI929292 people were reporting that they were getting sloppy pucks. I was trying to figure out how to make them. So that I could know better how to avoid them.

Please report back after your tests. 🙂

So Im quite happy to report that the machine was indeed not the issue. For coffee Im currently using the brand from Aldi (it is called Delicato, if Im not mistaken) and its pretty good 👍👍👍

@@renatoneto5807 thank you for the update! Glad to see the machine is working well for you. Try lots of different beans too, see if you find a favorite.

@@renatoneto5807 I really like medium roast beans that are dry (no noticable oils on the bean surface). It's hard to find them, since it is rare to be able to see the beans in a package. You have to buy them and test each one.

@@renatoneto5807 I might try some of these... coffeetasse.com/best-coffee-beans-for-espresso/

I'm not doing anything special that I know of. I have my grind setting around 7 and set the flavor and water volume to 'max' levels. I tend to use medium roast beans and get pretty consistent results regardless of the roaster.

@@BryanKlein alright I'll double check my grind settings, thank you for replying so quickly :).

I also just got my machine 4 days ago and I've been seeing that it needs time to adjust....or something 😅

@@jessecutts4868 yeah, I don't remember how long it took to settle in, but it wasn't pumping winners from day 1.

That's about right for this machine, I think a single coffee serving is 200 ml (~7 oz). If you push the coffee button twice so that the light next to 2x is lit up, it should double that and give you twice the amount. I usually tap the 2x coffee and set the water volume setting to the highest, which will almost fill up my 16 oz mug.

The cup in the video is 200 ml.

Thank you for checking and the informative video! I appreciate knowing that all machines dispense this amount. 😊

@@brettweegar2641 Glad to help! Thanks for asking. :D

Thank you for asking this! I thought I was going crazy! I watched so many videos, and none show making a standard coffee - only the latte, cappuccino or espresso! I made a coffee for the first time and felt like my mug was half full! I switched to this machine from a Nespresso. Maybe I just need smaller mugs? Current mugs are almost 475ml. I also feel like the coffee is a bit watery, I'll try the different suggestions below.

Thanks for the info!

What ur grind size for a good puck

@@testingthewaters7541 I never touched the wheel - so it’s on “3”. The puck seems to be ok though.

For most beans I've tried somewhere around 7-9 has worked well.

@@BryanKlein 8 between 7 and 9😄 Thanks I appreciate

I mean set it to 7, 8 or 9. Not just at 8. Some roasts are better when more course at 7, and some are better more fine at 8 or 9. It's a preference thing for each bean.

Hey I know your comment is from a year ago, but did your machine end up making pucks instead of 'quicksand'? lol. I just got one and am wondering whether to wait to adjust things and just let it do it's thing for a while, or if I need to make adjustments to the grind setting.

@@StefOutside how did it go for you?

@@karniskavva Ended up sticking to the manual and letting it do its thing. I pumped maybe half a kilo of coffee beans through it without drinking it to let it dial itself in and it got better. Now after about a kilo, it's a lot better and is forming fairly dry pucks. Haven't adjusted the grind yet, I'll wait another while to see if it will continue to improve.

@@StefOutside Great!

@Player187 My machine gave soupy pucks in the beginning, but I read that they will be looser with Americanos.I switched to espresso setting and added hot water a few times and pucks were dry. The machine will calibrate over time. Now my pucks are fine, even with Americanos. Good luck!

I don't have a video of that yet, but the grinder should not run if you press the aroma strength icon (bean) for 3 seconds before pressing the start button. Wait until the light is on next to the little scoop symbol. You can only brew one drink at a time with this option, because you would need to add another scoop for the next brew cycle.

Also, the grind for the pre-ground might be too coarse. I think you would need to find an 'espresso' grind, regular grinds for drip coffee might not be fine enough and the water would just flow right through it without picking up as much flavor.

@@BryanKlein thank you I will try that next time

You should run the grinder when moving to finer grind setting to not put too much pressure on the grinding surfaces if beans are between them. Going in the more coarse direction you can make larger movements because you are increasing the distance between the grinding surfaces. You don't want to break anything with too much movement without running the grinder a little bit.

@@BryanKlein Thanks for the advice, I'll try it tomorrow, otherwise I'll get drunk coffee and won't sleep 😅🤣😂. we have 21: 22.😉. how it will turn out, I will unsubscribe to you. спасибо за совет, завтра попробую, а то напьюсь кофе и не усну 😅🤣😂. у нас 21:22.😉. как получится, отпишусь Вам.

Sounds goo @@ivanoffartyom. :D Also, you will want to run the grinder 2-3 times after changing the grind setting, to push out the previous grinds from the chute that connects the grinder to the vertical channel where the grinds fall down into the brew group. See this video... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1II1_xCJmFQ.html

@@BryanKlein yes, I know that 3 mugs are 100% adjusted grind. Спасибо 😉

Have you tried increasing the 'bean' setting for more flavor? Also, try setting the grind a bit more coarse and see if that changes anything after 2-3 grind cycles.

is it solved? i want my pucks propper.... i have the grinder at level 3 and pucks are not pucks at all

Here are a few videos I've made about this machine and as you have seen some of them have a few comments. 😁 ru-vid.com/group/PLgei68PnHIhNjrPY3a7cLeHdPatAb9_Xk

We really like it, and it's much better than the Keurig we had prior to it. Best taste is a very subjective, but I prefer medium roast espresso, dry beans are better than oily and I set the grounds to the 5 or 6 dot setting.

Thank you so much

Iam sure it says in the manual that you cannot turn adjustment while not brewing and one nutch at time

After the adjust you must brew more then one cup to get the propper taste

I think it does a fair amount of rinsing internally when it is operating.

I haven't tested that particular brand/roast. I set all my settings on the display to the max and I have my grinder on pip #7. Seems to do the trick here, but I haven't tuned it to provide maximum crema. That would take a lot of grinds and testing to figure out.

Here is this video, that shows full disassembly and the use of a cleaning solution to soak/wash the parts in. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HGmfnGN_JQA.html Then there is this video that shows the use of cleaning tablets ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QdAcoi5mdiY.html

It depends on the grind size, but my estimate is around 8-12 grams. I'm basing that on the weight of the grounds in a full scoop when using the scoop provided with the machine for pre-ground coffee and I measured the weight of a grounds puck after grinding and presoak (there isn't a way to stop it fast enough to get the dry grounds). I'd say 10 grams is a good average value for the weight.

@@BryanKlein Thanks for the fast response! If you choose two espresso shots, does it grind and brew for each shot? Or does it just run extra water through one grind?

@@H-RutherfordHill it grinds and brews 2 shots.

@@BryanKlein Cool, I just ordered it. $579 certified refurbished.

@@H-RutherfordHill Great deal! I hope you enjoy yours as much as we have ours.

Try setting the grinder to 6 or 7 and see if that changes anything.

@@BryanKlein I've done every setting up to max, no change. Now at 3 I've ran a ton, and it's tolerable coffee. Just no foam yet, and my last coffee there was a fully formed puck in the bin, just super watery still. Gonna run another 50 coffee this week and check back... Hoping it works out

@@serious69er my working theory is that more grind volume will fill the brew unit more, which will compress into a puck better. It seems the grind is time based, so if you set it to a more coarse setting it should result in larger particulates which should fill the brew unit more.

@@BryanKlein so today is day 3. I've put through between 4 people about 3/4 pound of beans, and now as of this morning my pucks look just like yours and no more water. Coffee looks and tastes great. Strange, I haven't tweaked any setting either.

@@serious69er welcome to a new world of coffee making at home. 😁 I received mine in Dec. 2019, we've run at least 2 double Coffee a day, I'd say 3 a day is the average, so 962 days * 6 shots a day = 5772 shots through the machine so far. My feeling is that we are probably closer to 6000 because of friends and family visiting, who almost always have a couple of shots per day/visit. I definitely think I've gotten my money's worth.

That's what I would think too. But it seems that with finer grind the pucks don't press as tightly. I think it's because the smaller particles take less volume and the plunger only travels so far.

Hello Judit, because it worked well with the pre-ground coffee, it seems like the problem is with the grinder in the unit. What grind setting is it set to? What are the other settings used when brewing? I would try moving the grinder to a more "coarse" setting and running a few grinds through it to see if that changes anything. Also, how 'dry' are the beans? If they are oily on the surface they can stick together and not move through the grinder as well. I have had the most success with dry, medium roast beans.

I would keep brewing. I just got one and it was putting out very watery pucks to the point i thought it was a broken machine and the FAQ page on their site said brew a few more times if you are running it for the first time. Somewhere around 10-15 cups they began forming like normal/expected pucks. I was just running espresso shots until it finally behaved. I did also play with the grinder settings at the same time - should be unrelated though.

You have just indicated that you don't read video descriptions. Congratulations! 🎉

I was trying to find a way to reproduce them, as people were complaining about wet sloppy pucks but mine were nicely formed.

If you run an Americano, does hot water run into the cup from the dispenser where the shots should come out? (not from where the LatteGo connects to the machine) It should first make a shot and then flow hot water after that for an Americano. If the hot water flows, but isn't making the initial shot, then there might be something jammed up with the brewing group, the thing you can pull out of the door behind the water tank.

I'd be glad to Zoom with you to see what's happening. Nobody should be disappointed with a coffee maker on Christmas. 🎄

That’s so sweet of you. No water is coming out of the coffee part at all! Just “hot water” from the froth side.

@@sarahteunissen5016 I made a new video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wtP6hF4qVN4.html showing how the water should flow through the system and some things to look at for clogs or missing parts. I hope it helps. If not, the offer still stands to take a look over Zoom.

Thank you; I will troubleshoot again in the morning. But honestly i think something is stuck in the system. It’s not right ; I’m embarrassed to admit how many reviews I’ve watched before purchasing. And water never came out of the espresso part, even at initial start up. I hope Seattle coffee gear is going to be cool with returning it. Exchanging or getting a different one.

It happens to me sometimes too, I haven't yet figured out why it happens and not all the time. I've wondered if it happens more or less depending on the position of the nozzles above the cup.

@@BryanKlein So then it's probably normal?

@@lilspennyy I think so, and it doesn't happen all the time.

I think that’s the pre-infusion pushing out a little bit of water from the rinse.

Which water volume setting are you using? If you use #3, you can also program how much water to flow. There is a section in the manual about setting this manually.

@@BryanKlein Yep, using the maximum, but every time I'm trying to adjust the volume (using the manual) it blinks and makes the coffee as manual describes, but stops at 100ml :(. I'll try to reset the volume settings and try again. Another thought is bad AquaClean filter... Edit: did the reset, didn't help. I guess it's the filter, which is brand new.

@@ilevkov So strange. I think that there is also a pressure setting where if it senses that it is not flowing water well enough through the grounds, it will stop. Have you disassembled your brew group and cleaned the metal screen and water flow path? The first few seconds of this video are loud, but after that it is a pretty good breakdown of the cleaning and lubricating process. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-l89XJIJoWf4.html

@@BryanKlein I'll give that a try.

@@stp5039 The filter is in the tank. There is a way to program the #3 level to be set to any volume you want. I might make a video showing how to do it.

What did you do to fix the problem? I have the same problem. Coffee is very light too.

Usually this means that your grind setting might be too fine, or you aren't getting enough grounds into the chamber that gets pressed into pucks. You might try setting the grind level to something in the middle, like 6-7 dots and see after a few grinds (2-3x) if your pucks change their consistency. I have found that a slightly more coarse grind gives me better pucks.

Howd it go?

@@JimBobe - Turned out I was using a medium roast (Starbucks Pike Place medium roast) which SHOULD have been compatible. But, the beans were just oily enough to clog the grinder output where the grinds fall into the brew group hopper to be made into a puck. So I wasnt getting a full 8g of coffee grinds each cycle. This made the resulting pucks watery/sludgy. However, I found a solution to this problem!! No matter how oily your beans, put them on a baking sheet and bake at 200°f for 10min. Pull them out of the oven and let air dry. The oils evaporate into the air leaving behind dryer beans. I noticed a reduced aroma afterward but no change in mouth texture or flavor. Favorite bean: Starbucks Pike Place medium roast. (Somehow it's the least sour tasting bean I've ever had anywhere) Second favorite: Lavazza Espresso (bean blend). It has a very distinct creamy texture in your mouth. This is a phenomenal blended bean mix designed to work well with the espresso method. And yea, the Phillips 4300 is a great machine. I recommend it to anyone.

@@__-pl3jg very interesting. Thanks for the write up

@@__-pl3jg Also, fyi, with this machine you’re not drinking the coffee that’s been freshly ground, but instead coffee that’s been ground from the past. For example, I only use my machine on the weekends (2 cups saturday morning and 2 cups sunday morning). So the 2 cups I have Saturday morning are from the reservoir on my previous grind THE SUNDAY! I recently learned about this and its pretty upsetting tbh

I think that was because of a pause in the video.

Sloppy/Soupy that's what I was trying to make in this video. 😁

Maybe yor machine is like mine (4300). It self cleans after every extraction, so the puck is always wet/soupy.

I've found there is a difference in the type of roast and beans I use too. Which is more significant than my grind settings. Though I do agree, that a bit more fine seems better than more course in general. Thanks for sharing!

Yes, and I have responded to this same comment a few times in other threads. I also spoke with Phillips Service Technician about this specific topic and they say 2-3 dots at a time is fine in the coarse direction even while not running, but it must be running to move in the Fine direction. Also, they don't recommend setting it to extreme positions (1 or 12). The recommendation is important when closing the gap between the grinding surfaces so that a bean between them doesn't break the assembly. When going in a more coarse direction, like I was in the video, the requirement to run while adjusting is not an issue, as the surfaces are spreading apart instead of coming together.

Yep, nailed it. :D

@@BryanKlein hi from sidney bc on the other side 👋

@@stevebiggs1822 Hello 👋🌊😃 We have visited your side a couple of times, it's lovely. We just got some Kayaks this winter, so I plan on getting out and about all over the islands this spring/summer.

@@BryanKlein sounds fun!

I tend to get a better brew when it is around 5-6 on the grind settings. This might also help... www.wholelattelove.com/blogs/articles/coffee-bean-selection-and-grind-settings-for-super-automatic-espresso-machines

I use a setting around 7 where I find the best flavor and puck density.

@@BryanKlein so you recommend 7 as a grinder sitting

@@yamenbon4993 it depends on your beans and roast, but 7 seems to give me a pretty decent grind.

What is wrong with the espresso shot?

@@BryanKlein It started about a week ago , the process for making one shot Espresso more than one minute not as usual 10 second It’s kind of watery , the process time now is ok but the Espresso not as good as before coffee powder inside the cup Knowing that i cleaned and lubricate the machine as describe , i take to the maintenance center which recommended by Philips But the problem still exists

@@alzenadiabdullah8721 I wonder if a deeper cleaning is required. Please see this video for tips. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZCSbUcrRqBI.html

Thanks man

I’m already at max aroma/strength settings

What is your grind size set to?

I think it's because he used the coffee setting? I'm not sure because I'm still learning the machine too but I believe the coffee setting uses more grounds than the espresso setting (possibly) I sure wish they would give you more information in the manual

@@MrJoshdavis99 I think the amount of grounds are the same, the coffee is just a 'long' pull through the grounds, while the espresso and Americano only pull a normal shot.

Do you know how many ounces the different drink settings produce? like how many ounces does small medium and large espresso do and how many ounces is the small medium large coffee do?

It always does that at the beginning. I believe it is referenced in the manual.

Yes, we have really enjoyed it. We have run something like 3+ brews a day, for over 1100 brews so far and it's provided a consistently great brew with no degradation in performance over time.

I get that idea, but for the same grind time, smaller particulate should fill less volume. It would be interesting to test.

As I mentioned on a similar comment on my other video, it would be great to get some data on this. What is actually in the chute, how much can it hold? My intuition matches yours here, but without some more detail, I don't have confidence that we are correct.

I'll measure it next time I need to service a grinder of this brand (Saeco/Philips/Gaggia)

What kind of milk are you using?

Reduced fat milk, it was working fine with it... but now milk comes out watery not foamy at all..

2% to be specific

@@Amrlwld1124 that should definitely be light enough to flow easily into the steaming chamber. I wonder if the heating system isn't getting hot enough to generate steam and is just pumping hot water through now.

@@BryanKlein thanks. I am I'm contact with customer service to resolve the issue. Will let you know how it goes

We have discussed this in detail in other comment threads, I talked to Phillips Service about it and they say 2-3 dots at a time is fine in the coarse direction even while not running, but it must be running to move in the Fine direction. Also, they don't recommend setting it to extreme positions (1 or 12).

@@BryanKlein yeah but which side is more finer ? It makes me confused i know 1 is finer but if i turn it to right direction is it going to be more finer ?

@@imuluer rotating the knob clockwise will make it more Coarse, counter-clockwise for more Fine. If you look to the left of the knob, there is a little raised part in the sidewall of the bean hopper, this indicates the current setting. If you look on top of the knob you will see the little dots that change size with a #1 at one end and a #12 at the other end of the dots. You should be able to count the dots from one end to the other and then look at which dot is next to the indicator on the side of the hopper.

@@BryanKlein thanks a lot ! Now I understand it well🙏🙏🙏

@@BryanKlein isnt it tudo other way arround ?

That's where mine is set and I get firm pucks. I think there is some break in period where the machine figures out how much grind to produce to get the right resistance when the puck is pressed.

First part of your statement has been said by others and answered before. For the second part, your intuition makes sense, but also consider that proper water flow through the grounds is as important as surface area of the grounds themselves, and with really fine settings on this machine it seems that all the grounds are not well exposed to the water as it passes through.

This video was in response to comments on other videos where people were talking about their pucks being wet or sloppy and not firm like I showed in other videos. I was trying to change settings to recreate their puck consistency. It isn't a goal to make them in general, it was more of a study on what settings could reliably make them so people could avoid them.

Yeah, we have talked about this in other videos.

How is it bad?

This has been discussed, 2 years ago.

You can take your rude comments somewhere else. 'Coffee' on this machine is a Lungo espresso shot. The point of this video was to try to recreate the settings that create wet and loose pucks that other people have reported and asked about in other videos. If you have something of value to contribute to the conversation, please do.

I'm literally filming reality. So what's so far away from it? I was testing different settings and seeing the results based on a question asked on another video. I've also read the manual more than once. So what's your issue specifically?

​@@BryanKlein I am quoting from the manual "You can only adjust the grind settings when the machine is grinding coffee beans. You need to brew 2 to 3 drinks before you can taste the full difference." Also, from the manual, "Do not turn the grind setting knob more than one notch at a time to prevent damage to the the grinder". Also, from the manual, "Therefore we advise you not to adjust the grinder settings until you have brewed 100-150 cups". Quoting you, "You also might notice that I paused the recording to bring the grinder to the fine setting while it was running." I am quite sure based on the difference between the amount of beans before and after the "pause" that you did not operate the machine 11 times. :) That is my issue specifically.

@@froudos Thank you for clarifying. Now to address your points. "You can only adjust the grind settings when the machine is grinding coffee beans." This is true in the movement to the 'fine' direction because you would be clamping down on beans or parts of beans trapped between the grinding surfaces. This is less of an issue when moving the knob in the 'coarse' direction because you are moving the surfaces away from each other and not causing unnecessary stress on the grinding components. The manual errs on the side of caution, as expected, but there is a difference between the directions of movement. An understanding of the grinding mechanism should resolve this point. "You need to brew 2 to 3 drinks before you can taste the full difference." I am not interested in flavor, the video was testing the machine to explore how one could make 'sloppy (watery) pucks' which was an issue discussed in the comments on my other video. Running the machine for each knob position (12 positions) and 2-3 runs at each position (total of 24-36 runs) would not only be impractical for the video, but it would also be irrelevant to the primary reason for the video. I was taking the machine settings to its extremes to test the ends of the spectrum to evaluate the differences there. This wasn't a full exploration of all variables involved and how those changes impacted the taste. "Do not turn the grind setting knob more than one notch at a time to prevent damage to the grinder" Again, this is relevant in the 'fine' direction (I did make the changes slowly allowing for multiple revolutions of the surfaces to occur prior to moving to the next position while the recording was paused), but irrelevant in the course direction based on the simple mechanism of the grinder. "Therefore we advise you not to adjust the grinder settings until you have brewed 100-150 cups" Based on your critique, I would need to make one position adjustment per full run for 12 positions, then make 100-150 brews per position. This would require 1200 - 1800 runs of the machine to move from position 1 to 12. To apply your statements to the actual settings of my machine before and after testing (position 9), and to take the low end of 100 brews per position claim, I would have to make 800 brews to get from position 9 to position 1, then make 1100 brews to move from position 1 to 12, then make another 300 brews to get from position 12 back to position 9, for a total of 2,200 brews (200ml each for a total of 440 liters) of coffee just to test the difference between position 1 and 12 when starting at position 9 and going back to it again. This is not only impractical, but it also is not based on a sound understanding of how the machine works. I understand the reasoning for the advice in the manual to err on the safe side and to make careful changes to the settings to not damage the machine, but I also understand how the grinding mechanism works and did nothing in my video that was either unrealistic or harmful to the mechanism. I was also not interested in evaluating changes to flavor through the range of settings, I was focused on the consistency of the grounds and the settings that would lead to more or less moisture in them. Thank you for your time commenting and your concerns, I agree that in general people should make slow and small changes to the machine and to take some time to let those changes be sensed in their taste tests. This will reduce the risk of damage to the machine and for people to find the settings that work best for them and the beans they are using. It is also true that larger changes can be made safely without damaging the machine, if you think about how the grinder works and make changes in such a way that does not place unnecessary stress on the mechanism.

​@@BryanKlein You may know how the grinder works but you also need to know how super-automated machines work. Every coffee machine with the same features has the same behavior. If you adjust the grinder you must brew a couple of cups first to fully see (not only taste) the difference. I am not talking about a million coffees. I am saying that you could at least make 2 or 3 cups first before comparing. I also believe that you exaggerated with your calculations. To fully test the machine according to the manual you need to brew at least 3x12 to compare the 12 different grinding levels. I do not know how on earth you counted so many times :P . The quote from the manual about the "100-150 cups" refers to another thing. They just claim that you need to brew 100-150 cups having the grinder to be set to the initial position and then start adjusting it by your own. Anyway, sorry for being so aggressive at start but please, do another test, without brewing so many times! Just make a couple of cups first before comparing!

@@froudos Thank you, the issue is that I am not testing for flavor, I am testing the extremes for grind size and water saturation. The 2-3 brews per setting has to do with taste testing and repeating the test 2-3 times to get a reliable measure of flavor at a specific setting. For a taste test, I would recommend the same process. My exaggeration was to make a point... When you read things literally and take them out of context things can get very unrealistic quickly. I do know that it was a recommendation for testing the initial setting from the factory before someone starts messing with the knobs. Since this was a test of the physical characteristics of the 'puck' that the machine produces at different settings, and taking the settings to the extremes, I expect that the differences would become apparent through a few runs with these endpoint settings. I appreciate the remark about your initial comment. If you have this machine, you are welcome to do a more thorough test with replicates at each position and see if there are detectible changes to the pucks within each set. I'd like to see that video as well and would link to it in the description of this video. With a more rigorous method, some insights might reveal themselves. I am not interested in doing it myself, but I'm open to new information.