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I'm curious how TMSC opening a new semiconductor manufacturing plant is going to change the water dynamic in Phoenix. From the little information I can gather on the superconductor/microchip manufacturing process it CAN require a lot of clean water.
Why are you doing this? AZ is full. I got ran out of my own state because the cost of living made it from the influx of carpetbaggers made it impossible for me to stay in AZ. Now I'm salty somewhere else because people like you drove me out of my own home. Please stop.
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Everyone doesnt honestly think that with one of our wettest years on the last 20 years of drought. That we only managed to gain 2 inches at lake Powell and lake mead? If in fact 3,000 of our government officials and the other especially CHOSEN ONES are supposed to bunker down for up to A year in the Cheyenne mountains, and have everything they need to do that readily available in the face of Nuclear war. That the fresh water supply they've got isnt massive! Considering that water is one of the most commonly used forms of decontamination from the radiation after nuclear fallout! They'll have an exuberant amount of extra additional water for that! Idk maybe I'm wrong but it just seems like since A certain someone took office and the threat of war started becoming more relevant, that supply chains started getting disrupted "not all of it was due to the pandemic" but then our water supply's have plummeted due to various different "convenient" reasonings! I'd say them siphoning off water wherever they can use some other event as an excuse for its depletion. Isnt so far fetched considering our governments history of keeping secrets and experimentation on human subjects!
Move to a neighborhood that has irrigation.. Where I live it’s 10 degrees cooler in my neighborhood than a neighborhood like Maryvale. It’s not gonna make the summer heat feel nice but it makes being outside in the shade bearable.
Everything that holds in the heat, even glass. Finally someone else gets it. Everything that hold heat and glass is another one. I was moved from Iowa to Az in 1961, left there on 2010 to Texas, youngest son was in the Air Force here and wanted his mom to move there and I did. Living in Phoenix in the 60’s and 70’s was the best time.
The first time I was in Phoenix was 1956 . We drove in from the east through Apache Junction to Phoenix about 30 miles . There were hardly any houses or buildings , nothing but orchard after orchard as far as one could see . It was so humid the air felt thick and the smells were heavenly . Date palms , grape fruit ,lemons ,oranges ,and more . There were thousands and thousands of fruit trees. It is all gone . Just a few trees left from old orchards . When I came back in 1974 it was asphalt , concrete ,and lots of building . Sucking up water like no tomorrow . It was not humid any more . I would bet the water usage more than tripled . Now that is some good planing . NOT !
I remember it too, friend. I first saw Phoenix in 1987, probably fewer orchards, but it sure was a pleasant town. Most of the big cities west of the Mississippi River are the way you describe. Once they were beautiful paradises, now not so.
Great video. Omitted some of the big water wasting projects, which are commercial Server Farms which use anywhere from 1 million to 3 million gallons of water per day to cool them. That is about 3000 to 13,000 homes worth. There are now 60 datacenters in Phoenix, using the same amount of water as several hundred thousand homes. So, it is not like the city is all about smart planning...
Republicans and their so called leadership is the number one problem. Doug douchy gave the Saudi Arabian government massive amounts of land to grow alfalfa for themselves and ship it to Saudi Arabia. This depleted the water supply for thousands of home owners. They now have to haul water. The new governor put a stop to this when she got in to office.
If we're so good with water conservation why aren't they forcing agriculture to use drip irrigation and enclosing the canals? A large percent of our water is lost through evaporation.
I was in Texas. It was dry as a bone. I turned down a street and all I could see were condos being built. Their aquifer was already down 75% in that area, but they keep building.
What an ignorant coment! Is Houston in TX? Is it bone dry? No, it's a swamp! Are they building too much in certain areas of Texas? Absolutely! Are they building too much in Texarkana? No! So what is your point?
I lived in Dewey Arizona (near Prescott Valley). Many of the rural properties had wells. Many of the wells were going dry at least part of the year. New wells kept getting deeper to get water. Great area, but getting tougher to get water.
Politicians allowed Rio Verde, and outlying community to access our ground waters even though they were not permitted to do so. Someone got to pay off.
I'm a Colorado 5th generation native and live on acreage in the woods on a well. I like to come down and do some camping in the spring to take in some spring baseball games around Scottsdale. It somewhat blows me away by how much water usage I see around the PHX area. When Denver is on "water rationing' and limit lawn/garden days, I ask folks in AZ about "water rationing" and get- "what's that"? I usually say, that's what they make Coloradan's do to save water for AZ, NV and CA to water lawns.
I’m in Mesa, AZ. Big farms waste water. Small food forests not only save water but actually harvest rainwater, replenish groundwater, and via the biotic pump attract rain. I watered my food forest twice last November and not at all in December, January, and February. In March, I had to fertilize (using self-made, no-cost organic JADAM liquid fertilizer and microbial solution. So yes, I used water but did not deep water at all. That’s what permaculture does.
Thank you for visiting my channel. Well I suppose it’s high time I made one. I did start collecting clips of my backyard, which I started converting from regular raised beds to sunken keyhole bed and food forest starting 1.5 years ago. But I can make a video of my side yard, which was my first experimental food forest, and my front yard which is still in the transformation process.
Grew up in Az. back in the 80's. Left for 40 yrs to Wisconsin and recently returned 4 yrs ago. I don't remember it being 100 degs.+ overnight. Every night. Loved growing up here as a kid. Not so much as an adult. Thinkin' bout a move again already.
Here in California we were bone dry and now we are drowning. Our reservoirs are at 100% we have actually needed to release some water. We need a better system to sell water at a reasonable price with states that need it. If we can transport oil we can do it with water. Golf courses need to go!
One of my big questions is that in Southern Calif. every lake was bone dry in the fiftys!! Lake Hodges, Lake Elsinore etc.. There were campaigns to conserve water .! The desalination plant in San Diego was sent to Gaunto mino when the Cubans shut off their water supply! Today , there are brand new lakes and resivors , water everywhere! Where does all that water come from? Diffen notly climate change! Carlsbad Desalting Plant!??
water always flows to the money. It they raised Phoenix's water rates to what Tucson has with their tiered pricing and 4 and 5Xs Phoenix bills, there will be no shortage. Farmers pay almost nothing for the water compared to residents. Trust me, the farmers will go first!
When I lived in Tucson and visited Phoenix in 2007, I was shocked by all the green lawns in Phoenix. Was wondering how they could afford that water waste. Now it makes sense, it’s not expensive there.
I pay nearly nothing for water here. I am mindful about my usage but use the average amount. Interesting how if we have supply issues that there is no mandates or that the bills are not higher. A $28 water saving upgrade for toilet that reduced water consumption by a bout 20% would take about 29 years to pay for itself.
Farmers are also using primarily canal & reservoir water that were built years ago and thus the cost to provide water to them is very low. Tap water has to be processed, chemicals are added, tanks for water storage, and pumps to move the water down extensive pipe systems to your house. Thus the reason why you pay much more for your water vs Farmer Joe.
And now there are semiconductor manufacturers are coming to the Phoenix area, the Valley of the Sun or simply the Valley. They use massive amounts of water, and they will get the lions share of it, while the residents will have to ration their water.
They recycle most of the water though. If you are interested type in google “Will semiconductor plants really drain Arizona? That theory is overblown” and read the azcentral article, they explain how and why better than I can.
Lived in Scottsdale 45 years. New comers from water rich areas need to go through a class teaching them how to conserve cause you ain’t in Illinois any more. Same goes for electricity use. Add traffic laws class too
When I lived in Scottsdale in the fiftys, the population was very small!. Well water was severely rationed! Now I see videos of Scottsdale , with a 1.000 percent increase in population and water everywhere, including a canel! What gives?? Where is all that water coming from?? are they stealing it from Phoenix?
That tells you how much housing has replaced agriculture and made agriculture very cost prohibitive. Taxes on farmland alone has replaced huge areas to sell out to housing. That’s not good! That’s LESS foods and commodities! This is something you should be concerned about as the pandemic demonstrated how quickly supply chains can break down internationally and even nationally. If you like eating, wearing clothes, and getting things from the store, you DONT want agriculture to disappear. Arizonas leaders have sold out our future food security to bringing more people and despite what you try to say is safe, water will become more expensive and probably restricted over time. But hey, why worry about tomorrow?
Dams are one of the biggest ecological disasters of mankind. It sounds nice to want to "Reserve" the water, but it's not. Taking away the streams and creeks that run through the mountains and valleys ruins the ecology.Rivers put water where it is needed to sustain all life forms in these areas. When you dam the water the whole food chain breaks down and you are left with a wasteland. Deserts are not wastelands. Deserts thrive with life if the water is there. The groundwater is getting tapped out too. It can not be replaced. We should have had water conservation everywhere, years ago. Our grandchildren deserve clean drinking water, and a wilderness that still has fish and animals in it.
It's not like dams stop ALL water flow. It still flows over the dam. Also, if it's hydroelectric, it flows through the dam. Water is still flowing into Phoenix from those lakes...
I like the Phoenix/Scottsdale area and have visited it many times because my folks retired there. But I wouldn't want to live there because it is too dry, during the Summer it can be too hot, there are barely any trees, and the undeveloped property is a dangerous no-mans land. Actually, it wasn't the water than allowed Phoenix to become so populated, that was always there. It was the invention of air conditioning that allowed non-rugged people and the elderly to survive there. One time before I visited it had rained heavily and everything went into bloom. It was unbelievably beautiful.
It will be that way this year as well. We have another system coming through over Easter. One to two inches with an 80 percent probability.The mountains and landscape around them are "grass" green!
IMO, AZ should bow to science and begin planning now for the natural water shortage due to occur in another 20-22 years, when we have the next triple La Nina.
AZ officials knew that there wasn't enough groundwater to support the next 20 years of projected growth in Phoenix. That was in the early 80's and was not public information, it was overheard.
We need to keep in mind that crop planting and harvesting has drastically improved over the years with mechanization. A farmer 70 years ago could do 2 rows with horse or cattle pulling the plow is now using a tractor and doing 24 rows at a time and doing it much, much faster. Thus the dramatic reduction is number of people farming these days and why consolidation into larger farms has occurred.
@@bruceb5481 My grandfather bought his first tractor in 1948, 75 years ago and prior to that and even after was using two horses and a plow to get his crops done on 120 acres. Tractors were not that common as it was just after the war and it took time to switch over the manufacturing and then to build enough for the million farmers in the US and elsewhere back then.
@@ItsEricAZ I'm 82 years old and rode on my uncles tractor at 7 or 8. The farm up the road also used a tractor. Sure, International and Ford knocked out a gazillion small tractors after the war, many of which are still in use. Two are owned by friends. I'd love to see a resurgence of small farm but that looks pretty grim.
Folks have no idea how much taxpayers subsidize farming. 90% of those farming welfare checks going to massive corporate farms. Strong lobby team doing its job very well.
Brian, We have lived in the Phoenix area since 1984 and have always believed that we are reckless in our water consumption. After watching your video, I am reassured that the problem has been exaggerated largely due to a lack of understanding and misinformation (so typical these days). Learning how to continue to improve water conservation in our daily lives and adjust to an ever changing climate, is how we will ensure a future for Arizona for generations to come. Thanks for helping us understand the reality of our area.
The video was well done. However this state has been devastated. It was never meant for 7-10 million. The degradation is heartbreaking. Many of the mountain parks have been eliminated for the pleasure of the filthy rich. Stacking and packing new residents has destroyed our roadways. Congestion is beyond bad. So much is gone. My kids and grandchildren are 5th and 6th generation Arizonans and my not be able to remain. Additionally the city does not COOL off any longer. The Valley is a heatsink. It used to cool at least 15 degrees an hour after sundown. No more to corrupt politicians who take money from developers and other monied interest to get approval for their hideous projects. I also have access to well reports and many wells that were once a couple hundred feet are now 15oo-1700 feet. Crazy considering the old timers could hand dig wells at one time. Wait until all cooling ceases and the infrastructure fails. Keep
There is much stupidity in Pennsylvania...but..we have water. Lots of it. Western Pennsylvania has the Youghiogheny, the Monongahela, the Allegheny and the Ohio Rivers. We have lots of farmland, and an abundance of coal and natural gas under ground. Serioysly, I hope you can figure out your water situation in AZ.
My wife and I moved to Phoenix Arizona from Pennsylvania 2 weeks ago. We’ve gotten a lot of rain here in Arizona in the past 2 weeks it seems like. I subbed because I enjoyed this video and learning things about the area my wife and I just moved to.
Even though Arizonas population of n has gone up over the years yes we have adopted many different methods for conserving water. Because we had to. Because we understand how crucial it is to live. Videos like this are good for some information but all seem to just repeating the same propagated information as all the other ones do. They make no mention on the entire communities that have essentially been completely cut off from water. No joke they aren't even allowed to truck in their water by tankers anymore. Those companies had their city contracts through the county threatened if they were to continue to supply those residents with water! Think about that for A second! Now let's travel some miles outside the valley to an alfalfa farm who was granted unfettered access to our groundwater for years for FREE! Who pumped so much groundwater that twice they had to have drillers come drill the wells even deeper! At A pretty hefty cost of $20,000-$35,000 each time depending on how deep. Other local surrounding ranches and farms couldn't afford to pay that kind of cost to drill! So guess what? Their wells went dry. You might be thinking to yourself that atleast this farms growing something that'll support local communities livestock! Nope you'd be wrong to think that. Cause this farm is actually ran by the SAUDIS who leased the land at A mere $25 an acre! That's an unheard of price. But all they're crops were shipped to the middle east for their livestock. Because why you might ask? Cause it's illegal to grow alfalfa there cause i5 takes too much water to grow! So they come here to the hottest driest most water stressed place in America to suck our groundwater dry for FREE! All the while we've been in A 20 year drought and there are tons of people with minimal to zero access to water! And they are approving building plans for things like the largest wave pool in the world, and neighborhoods where every home has waterfront access to A man-made river that links every home to A private man-made lake! Minimizing the amount of water agriculture is allowed to use. Closing down farm's stating that housing developments use A fraction of water than the farms that took up the same amount of land did! Though that may be true. That farm also supported the feeding of all these people. Where those new houses aren't giving back to the community at all. They wanna release all these migrants onto our streets. Bad idea for those who haven't experienced elements like we have here. There is going g to be 3 times more people dying on our streets come June July and August. It takes years to adapt to our climate. Just leaving my house for the day I plan on when where and for how long am I going to be able to escape the heat to cool down. I carry two fans with me should my ac in my vehicle go out that are battery operated incase my vehicle breaks down completely. I never leave without a cooler of frozen ice cold bottled waters, and some kind of A snack! I understand not everyone can do this. But this is just my daily strategy for how I can assure that I don't get heat stroke! Cause it'll hit you faster than you think and don't take long for you to succumb to the elements and die. I find myself handing out atleast half the waters I carry to people who look very dehydrated. This video paints a false fictional picture about AZ and its water. Oh ya one more thing about your poo water! He lied there are plans to reopen the water tre as treatment plan to start recycling crap water back into our drinking water.... think about that when considering moving here
We live in the Colorado mountains and have well water and a septic tank so have different worries about water. Last week we got four feet of snow and were trapped until I could blow it away. Imagine opening your door to snow up to your belly button that you had to shovel away to get to the snowblower.
Shower once a week, flush twice per day. No crops that are exported, not all farmers actually grow food you can eat for dinner. Never water grass, one pool per neighborhood. The waste is off the charts everywhere.
If you look at the massive amount of construction around Phoenix right now it’s a pretty good indicator of what the long range planners think. Right now the largest single construction project on planet earth is going on north of Phoenix. It’s a semiconductor plant that is likely to replace or back up the one in Taiwan when China takes it over.
Last time I was in Scottsdale they had all these big fountains at the hotel and they told me that they didn't change the seats everyday because of water.
The ground water level in central CA has fallen beyond repair. The further it falls, the more the farmers drill. They have already removed tens of thousands of acres of almonds. Check the prices of almonds and pistachios, thats the result. CA hasn't build a new reservoir in 40 years. Agriculture has been the largest industry in California, but G. Newsom is depleting it with his radical policies, which is why we have a 73 billion dollar deficit. All of the south west will need to stop watering lawns and filling swimming pools in the next drought, and there will be more inflation in food prices.
Phoenix has many many stored water reserves and largest share of Colorado River rightfully flowing through her. Much planning, CAP by State of AZ and well run city of Phoenix. Not drying up.
In a deal with CA, in exchange for help funding and building the CAP, AZ agreed to take all CA's cutbacks to their draw from the Colorado river when imposed on the Lower Colorado River Basin states.
Vegas and now Phoenix. Couple years ago, made trip to Vegas from So. Calif to make a purchase. Looked up neighborhood on my computer and I see this green lush neighborhood. I arrive and could barley recognize it. Desert wasteland, dirt and dead plants. Talking with homeowner after purchase and informs me: Summertime expect $300 a month water bill with zero landscaping, Sunday is ill legal to use water and they have water meters monitored electronically and will know. And nothing has changed at Treasure Island.
Now do one on the excessive (and increasing!) heat! The HEAT is the big problem that is increasing as we aren’t doing nearly enough to reduce our GHG emissions. If the power goes out- even for a short time, many people could die in a matter of days in a severe heatwave. This should concern all Phoenix residents. 😖
@@mylesgray3470 maybe a coring machine to get it through the mountains and what is our alternative? California has natural resources in the ground that would power the pumps to deliver the water where it’s needed
Rocky point is just 150 miles away from Phoenix and our elevation is roughly 1200 feet thus it wouldn't be very difficult to make happen this happen. Building the desalt plant in Mexico would lower costs too.
What is important to water flow is the amount of revenue power generation creates.Also there are new dams on the Colorado River basin that reduce the flow to Powell and Mead that will never get to the dams to create power.
If you can't get by without air conditioning (or high heating needs) to survive, you're in a dangerous climate. I'm on the Cumberland Plateau at 2000 ft elevation in Tennessee and if the electric goes out, it's not a disaster. Don't move somewhere overloaded with people, move where there's space and green around you.
The copper mines use humongous amounts of water - they are supposed to be backed up but I doubt that is true. I lived in Green Valley for 11 years and they were starting another mine in the Santa Rita’s before we left more water needed
Phoenix, despite almost doubling in population since 2000, used the same amount of water in 2020. I doubt you could say that about any other major city in the U.S.
Interesting, farming from Phoenix to El Central California, all desert, has been suppling the US for over 100 years with just about every large volume produce and alfalfa. The desert people, the hot dry desert with all the attention on global warming continues producing. The ability to do this is amazing to say the least.
It happened before, it will happen again. The science tells us that the last 100 years has been the wettest In history. This is not a drought it's the end of the rainy season! Bummer man!
@@ArizonaDreaminI was speaking to the engineers drilling down 1100 feet to get more ground water. SRP will not say it publicly , but we do indeed have a 400 year groundwater supply right under us. Charging ponds receive yesterdays flush and that goes out to those golf courses. Thanks to modern chemistry and science , we are in good shape. The water will be here for the long term future. The question is at what cost ?
Goundwater Deep Aquifers are no replacable, because it would take thousands of years for surface water to percolate slowly down the thousands of feet to the aquifers.
The valley of the sun uses less water than it did in the early 1950's. Sounds ludicrous but the fact is the housing developments use less water than the farms they replaced.
I can tell the water pressure in my townhouse is, gradually, being throttled back. 6 years ago, when I first moved in, I could fill my tub in a few minutes. It now takes about 15 minutes. I’m wondering how long before it’s just a trickle.
Every region in the United States and around the world is going to have their own challenges when it comes to adapting to climate change. Whether it's drought and extreme heat that will affect every region or rising sea levels pushing out coastal communities or the lack of rain affecting agricultural areas and water supply or the increase in floods wiping out agriculture and impacting water resources and infrastructure, we are all going to have to figure this out and make sacrifices so future generations can actually live on a habitable planet. So these issues aren't and won't be unique to just Arizona.
*_Political climate change theatrics aside..._* Phoenix AZ is actually one of the rare instances where mankind has had a clear effect on the climate. Phoenix used to be very dry, but after so many people moved there and had swimming pools and golf courses installed, the massive exposure of water evaporation raised humidity drastically. And as we all know, high heat + high humidity is not a fun combination. As far as water conservation goes, get rid of the pools and golf courses and everyone should be okay.
Hey Brian, there was an article last quarter of 2023 in the Ahwatukee news saying the State is looking at reclamation plants for domestic residential water use. This is supposed to begin in 2025. Thanks for the great presentation.
Mesa and to sn extent Gilbert built a reclamation plant back in the mid 2000s and was recently finished its build out. The exchange the reclaimed water withe the Gila Tribe for surface water. The Gila use the water for irrigation that then filters down into the water table and gets moved back to fresh water treatment plants.
OK now the real story. I read a book on shotgunning written about 1900 in the phx area. The book was being thrown away by the library. Before all these dams and man made lakes phx was cooler lush farm and hunting fowl land. Man made the desert as we know it. Now I did live in az 22 yrs mostly in the valley. So I know what a hell hole it can be.
Check out the Vox Media story from April 2023 that outlined that almost half of all water from the Colorado River is used to grow crops to feed cattle. In the long run we will have plenty of water if we stop eating beef and cheese and drinking milk. In the short term, if we need more water, just buy another farm and take it out of commission.
