Photon and Quantum Torpedoes 

or imploding it with red matter🤣

​@@raven4k998 Just One Drop! Spongebob eat your heart out!

Best quote of 2020 from certifiably ingame

Sounds like the type of quote that you might find in 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'. 😂

"Two holograms, alone..."

The ultimate insult to a Hologram; "Were you programmed by Microsoft??!!".

@@CZ350tuner Or had its emitter produced by Google.

@@That80sGuy1972 if google made the emitters they'd have only been available for 2 years then after being discontinued every holodeck in existence would stop working because the manufacturer's servers were turned off.

Every DD captain in world of warships.

That was the first thing I thought of when he said a torpedo can be launched at warp speed, that the rest of the universe is going to _NOPE_ the heck out of that, and probably slap you for trying. Like the old billboards out beyond the orbit of Neptune used to say: "300 million meters per second - it's not just a good idea, IT'S THE LAW."

bad day if one of them had a faulty power core for the warp bubble to be sustained.

Would be nice to also compare it to Romulan plasma torpedoes and difference from those.

@@daveh7720 that is still technically FASTER than the speed of light in a vacuum thought.

@@jamesjellis By how much?

Wait, maybe Quantums are lower yield, environmentally safe subspace weapons like Tricobalts. And all the technobabble is there to disguise that Starfleet is mass producing and using banned weaponry.

I think "They are Blue" has a degree of truth to them - Though at least they make more sense than why and exploding starship carring all that anti-matter doesn't make a bigger explosion or what "Photonic Charges" are or why 24th century ships can't fly backwards at warp and 23rd century ones can. Though I guess you could say that A Photon Torpedo goes "Boom" & a Quantum Torpedo goes "Quantum Boom"

@@90lancaster love the quantum boom.

@@canisblack I thought subspace weapons were banned by the Khitomer accords?

@@90lancaster "why 24th century ships can't fly backwards at warp and 23rd century ones can." maybe because the dampeners and improvement of ship manoeuvring allows to quick turn a ship mid warp instead of forcing it to accelerate backwards? And also nacelles lose efficiency if they are dual mode vs one way only?

I remember seeing that 😂😂

Micheal Okuda quote?

@@Menaceblue3 Jupp

by taking advantage of quantum entanglement and math. lol

First, you turn it on, then you never mention them again.

Interesting. Unfortunately, leaving the time travel plot in after that gives the Borg a certain Bond-villain stupidity. Collective: "Last time our invasion was almost at it's goal when our ship was destroyed by a daring Starfleet mission and our own terrible cyber security." Any decent military leader ever: "Hmm-send maybe five ships that ought to do the trick." The Collective: "Let's create a complicated time travel device and try to assimilate them in the past. Even though we've never done that before and it could mess up our own past."

That would have been a really terrible movie.

barring the budget i think it was the borgs pride and idea that they could adapt to anything hence send only one cube. but i know it has to do with budget reasons

Well even budget aside, the movie is better without that. For the borg to be effective villains they need to be unassailable with brute force, trying to merely overpowering them can’t work. You need to outsmart them. If starfleet was ever able to just blow them up with big boom weapons, they wouldn’t be a threat anymore.

Were episodes of Voyager with many cubes on screen assimilating worlds that were in no way as technologically. advanced as the federation! So to send single cubes to earth multiple times is just insane! Plot armor and a pen make for the story though! Lol

"We've been jammed!" "LONE STARR!!!!"

We've lost the bleeps, the sweeps and the creeps.

Bleeps sweeps creeps

@@paullynchlfc1263 thank you

@@cameronmonaghan6883 The what, the what and the what?

this is an underappreciated beauty of a pun. (golf clap 👏 and nod for you) bravo.

Oh, boy!

This is a masterpiece!

I see what you did, there.

BOOO!! :)

And yet we're still not allowed to use protomatter.

At least it's not a Quantum Omega Particle Torpedo :/

@@daveh7720 *the Lukari enter chat*

@@Corbomite_Meatballs That's what bugs me about it. We get in trouble for using it, the Tzenkethi get in trouble for using it, but Kuumaarke is a regular 25th Century Martha Stewart with the stuff.

It's not Starfleet, its humans. And it's why the Vulcans let us run things. Because we do Weird Fucking Shit just because why not? Got two warp cores? Ask for a third, smash them together, punch a hole into another universe, get mad because they decided to plan to do the same shit but with FOUR warp cores, fight them, steal their cores, punch a second hole to get home, turn a star into christmas bauble in the process then go have brunch.

and the Scimitar's Thaleron Pulse, which came out a little before they cut the crew mechanic, was the reason why. losing crew meant your ship was less battle-ready, and the Thaleron pulse did massive damage to the ship and killed the entire crew.

I kinda liked the crew loss mechanic, and miss it a little.

Your comment reminds me of that quote about "if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough"

@@a-blivvy-yus Rick did repeat, several times, that the 'science' behind Quantum Torpedoes didn't click for him. So I don't blame him. But it does require you at least know what the theory for zero point energy is. And that theory simply states in many more words that what we consider the absolute zero background resting state of the universe is not in fact empty of energy. That the existence of space itself inherently has energy. Energy you could theoretically tap into if you know how to do it. Based on the description of the Quantum Torpedo alone, I can see exactly what the writers did when they fleshed out the specifics. It works like a sci-fi thermonuclear bomb. In the case of a thermonuke, you detonate a uranium or plutonium fission bomb and use the casing of the weapon as a focusing lense to direct the energy of the blast onto the fusion element. That energy is utilized to create the pressure and temperature needed to trigger the fusion element, producing an exponentially larger blast. I know it seems strange to imagine 'focusing' a nuclear blast to do this, but the material of the casing does its job JUST long enough before everything is vaporized in a few hundredths of a second. The quantum torpedo is running on a the same kind of chain. You use the energy released by the matter-antimatter reaction and focus it through some kind of channel or construct designed to pinch/pull/rip/tear/coax/beg sweet forgiveness spacetime itself, and in typical Treknobabble, it releases double the kaboom for the yield. The 'quantum' in Quantum Torpedo comes from the fact that this construct focuses at a quantum point. That is, the size level at which your energy is arranged into individual quantifiable packets. (See: 'Quanta' and 'Quantized' for associated words). Speaking in computer programming, the 'quantum' level of scale of ANY computer program would be a single bit. Which is tiny. Obviously, if how shoving a bunch of gamma radiation into a quantum point translated into cracking space time open to spill out zero-point vacuum energy for real, we'd ALREADY have quantum torpedoes. So really, the nature of the quantum reaction and the construct that focuses it is the Black Box of this particular treknobabble. So there's no use postulating past that unless you want a nobel prize for figuring out a technology we can't apply anyway. (Not enough antimatter has been produced in the history of science itself to make a firecracker, let alone a photon/quantum torpedo.) Anyway, while double yield isn't a lot here compared to the EXPONENTIAL yield of a thermonuke compared to a fission bomb, it does present Starfleet ships with a two-for-one discount on firepower. Double your max yield per torpedo without changing the casing profile or reengineering the launchers to be bigger, or getting regular yield out of the torpedo with half your reactant mass, which can be useful in fuel economy scenarios. The yield improvement also increases the probability the torpedo will penetrate shields. The profile of the weapon hasn't changed, so the energy concentration per surface area at the impact point is considerably higher. I don't need to explain to you the significance of hitting a nail with a regular carpentry hammer vs hitting a nail with a 40 lb sledgehammer (assuming you're accurate enough).

@@atigerclaw Just to be clear, I wasn't saying I blame him or that he has any obligation to be a theoreticl physicist to be a Trek RU-vidr, the video's great! I'm just complimenting you on how efficiently you managed to simplify the concept. Because it's awesome and really shows that you know what you're talking about. As does the more thorough explanation, so thanks for proving my point.

release zero-point vacuum energy doubling the yield of the original reactant mass.

@@atigerclaw That was... BEAUTIFUL! I know next to nothing about this field, and what I do know, I could understand in your writing, and what I didn't, you broke it down to where I could get it. Bravo, indeed! 10/10 will read again and again. As a side note, I would say the size of the striking face of a 40lbs sledge would make up a bit for an amount of lacking of accuracy :P

Syndrome has also entered the chat. "Hey, I invented that! Really cool huh?"

you mean over glorified batteries

@@Baughbe “go home, buddy”

Isaac Kleiner: why, yes!

They found the ZPM's but couldn't make them. Once they were depleted, they could only be thrown away.

I was in a bad spot last year, my wife was really sick(covid actually but it was early on so dr's didn't know) and I came across this channel. I went back and watched his star trek online videos and for about 2 weeks every night after work I would bing watch them! The commentary is so on point! Rick's a good dude! If I ever find myself on his part of the planet im buying him a beer!

No need to be insulting

Hamster

@@johnlewis8156 sorry about your wife. How's she doing now?

I hear he's also recently gotten his teeth whitened.

Temporal Torpedos say "Hi" too

Multikinetic neutronic mine: What?, I'm not laughing honest

My own head-canon on the transphasic torpedoes was that they cause the explosion to randomly phase through various quantum frequencies (for lack of a better word) throughout the explosion, making them _impossible_ for the Borg to adapt to. Basically no two explosions of a transphasic torpedo are even remotely similar, and therefore impossible to predict or counter.

Self replicating wormhole mines: YO! no pass wormhole HAHA!

@@nagash303 ...... with self cloaking capabilities

"Federation, FUCK YEAH! Coming again to save the motherfuggin day, yeah!" Also, reminds me of The Simpsons episode where they use Ned's beach house, and the store clerk sells Homer a firework with the quip "Celebrate the birthing of your nation by blowing up a small part of it."

In Pratchett's Discworld novel "Pyramids," when asked what "quantum" means, the answer is "just add another naught."

if this doesn't sum up humanity in one line idk what does lmao

Same thought came to me as well. Definitely a Terry Pratchett style quote.

General Green would be proud.

It was FASCINATING!

Yes. But it was SULU'S ship that was cataloguing the gaseous anomalies NOT the Enterprise. (Ref Uhura's "It's gotta have a tail pipe" line)

We've got a heartbeat! She's ready Jim. Lock and load. .....Fire✊

By Star Trek 6, you know McCoy has had enough. He helps Spock rig a photon torpedo, and he holds a phaser on the Romulan Ambassodor. " Lock and load !!."

@@johnbockelie3899 agreed, in his mind he was probably counting down the days to retirement.

I upgraded, I'm on a Sovereign phone now.

Galaxy X phone here. ...ok ok fine, 9+

@@HeadlessChickenTO you have it good. I have m01

I still use my old, but reliable miranda phone, thank you very much

I have that new Odyssey phone. Bulky as hell, but it packs a punch when it needs to.

I think that was the class 8 probe pictured.

So was that a trans marrytime spacial event? Did worf really mate a trans hybrid? I'm begining to understand those who claimed star trek was gay.

Underrated comment

You're thinking of De Broglie Torpedoes. Quantum torpedoes are all over the place, they're just too small to see.

So what your saying is instead of anti matter like a photon torpedo. Quantum torpedoes are powers by a cat in a box? No wonder they're rare have you tried getting the little bastards into the boxes?

Schrodinger's Torpedo?

@@sarahscott5305 They're having a sale on them at Quark's.

@ShoeUnited Yes, Isolinear chips and such, so they are basically linear chips like the ones we use now.

Quantum is the word equivalent to magic. Only difference is genre. Soft space opera vs. Fantasy. Just put quantum in something's name and it is cool and high sciencey-magickey to a degree Arthur C. Clarke would be proud.

So... dare I ask... who wins in a fight between Star Wars and Star Trek?

@@jolan_tru That answer took me 30,000 words. How much time you got?

Birthday s we get the photon buffet Christmas's we go quantum.

The Federation loves to play with universe edning fire doesn't it.

@@attila535 Ya, it's comforting to know that a standard photon torpedo (1.5kg m/am) has a ~20% higher theoretical yield than the Tsar Bomba. And that factions in Trek just sorta casually fling them around all over the place.

@@JammyPajammies Thats why we can't have nice things...or can we?

@@attila535 Considering some of the original A-bomb researchers were uncertain if detonating one would start a chain reaction that would turn the Earth's atmosphere into a plasma cloud, Starfleet is just following an old Terran tradition.

Could have called it an LFVD torpedo. And while elfeedee rolls off the tongue easier, it still sounds stupid.

Those are transphasic torpedoes

I read in one of the books that the transphasic torpedoes overload the Borg's Vinculum and the ship self destructs automatically.

Yeah the Deus Ex Torpedo. Pah!

@Darth Revan - True

Would have been amusing if they had looked exactly like miniature NX warp cores

@@Bobo-ox7fj LOL, as the warhead is loaded, they pan the camera capturing the reactions of the crewmen in engineering who then look nervously over their shoulders at the warp core.

If I were to design a quantum torpedo, I would likely use something with a bit more “punch.” Why not produce a small quantum black hole of a few kilos to be held in a vacuum chamber within the mix chamber, and then add the mix? The small singularity would have to be below the implosion threshold, so it would instantly decay upon detonation. The addition of that kind of energy would make for a formidable weapon, indeed!

@@dangeary2134 Point Singularity Cannons from Andromeda.

woahhh space tike fabric as the shrapnel

my assumption is that a class one probe would be the lowest form with barely any sensors and maybe it could boost regular ship sensors. then as you move up in class the probe becomes more and more sophisticated. so a class 5 probe could do surface scanning of planets and then relaying the info to the main ship. class 6 or 7 could do long term stuff and have on board data alaysis, sample processing, and data storage so you could leave it in place and come back. then maybe class 9 and 10 could be akin to drone ships where you give it a preset path around a system and it does a mass survey then returns to a rondevouz point

ST: Ent completely screwed up the timeline, Photons were developed by humans but not as early as Ent, there was an episode in TOS where Kirk has to authorise their use as they were considered new and extremely powerful.

@@MrBabylon photonic are not the same as photon

@@MrBabylon There's also Balance of Terror, where a fusion device is enough to threaten the Enterprise. As brilliant as that episode was, I rather prefer ENT's retcons to the timelines.

@@nessanderson6460 Well, the Photon yield is enough to "level a city", which is something a thermonuclear weapon could do as well pretty easily. So the real question is why the Enterprise could be hit by it more than if it could destroy the enterprise. The main advantage PTs have over our fusion weapons is size/weight being much much smaller for their yield.

@@MrBabylon I think that may have been to parallel nuclear torpedoes, a cold war era weapon with a similar need for special authorization.

The Torpedoes likely make more sense than EPS conduits or Structural Integrity shielding does - as "logically" they shouldn't allow the Hull breaches we see until the ship is really wreck (something Discovery actually got more correct perhaps - as we see the Shinzhou's area shielding actually works properly.

2409 and that darn coyote _still_ can't catch that stupid bird.

So it's in partial at least an implosion weapon? which would suggest a sort of artificial micro-blackhole as a sort of central source for the 'not bang'?

@@kinagrill Not quite. The theory goes that the torpedo creates a disturbance in the quantum vacuum, which in turn causes additional problems for everyone at the blast site. I'm not the best at explaining. I did some digging, and found the orignal video I was thinking of: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3PmYb2dazfM.html&ab_channel=ResurrectedStarships

I think we need a follow-up video on Plasma, Tricobalt, and Transphasic Torpedoes.

Yes

If in-doubt slap some Tr-ilithium or proto-matter in it.

These need more explanation but what i do know is cobalt is a naturally occurring heavy metal, in Enterprise it was stated there warp core was lined with it, the anti matter relays anyway and tri means three.. three heavy metal warheads? I'm guessing its similar to photons but the casing was extra solid.

@@Searly255 The Heavy Metal Warheads opened for Slayer in '97😎

Ancient Technology in Stargate still outclasses Federation Technology in Star Trek.

There are few things as comforting as old Trek, hope you feel better soon.

@@abelq8008 Thank you sir. I'm happy to say things have gotten much better since I wrote that comment, praise the Lord. God bless! ✝️ :)

Intermix camber is there to ensure a torpedo can get maximum traction when cornering. What?

"We need another boomer!"

Trying to make some sense of Torpedoes - it looks like one of the ways they can be tuned - is to either do splash damage to a ships shields to weaken them - or to do physical damage - and Physical damage can be kinetic or explosive - or to put it another way - you can hit it like a shot and leave the ship mainly intact - if the plan is to just knock the weapons systems out - or it can burrow into the ship and detonate inside like a bunker buster and blow the entire ship up - so when they say target engine or weapons the Torpedo may be tuned to NOT explode the ship - simply to immobilize that one system. Kinetic damage can be seen in Wrath of Khan - when a torpedo goes through the Enterprise's saucer without detonating.

@@90lancaster which by itself suggests the torpedo is definitely shielded and well shielded at that. Considering that a particularly impressive fart can get a matter/antimatter reaction going. Also considering its an omnidirectional explosive a contact detonation to the shield should transfer only 50% of its total energy to it, much as early tests on nukes in space during the cold war would suggest. That could probably explain why proximity explosions are rarely used, even at a short distance you're bleeding valuable boom boom. Although I can't for the life of me even technobabble bullshit up an explanation as to how exactly the make them adjustable boom without switching out the warhead for a different one.

@@kaloyankatzarov9284 Adjustable boom could be handled by some kind of regulator to change how much matter/antimatter is released into the mix which would change how big the boom is.

@@Loremaster85 theoretically yes, but when that boom goes off the containment field for the rest of the antimatter would be scuffed, which would release it and go for a full boom to begin with. But even if we assume that there is some technobabble way they do that, isn't that immensely in efficient and a waste of antimatter. Even if you magically only use like half a kilo of the antimatter, you're still wasting 1.5 kilo overall. Why not just put in a smaller warhead that has the specific amount, or even better make the warhead capable of adjusting the containment field and thus either sucking up excess antimatter, or putting more in.

@Darth Revan Such a garbage explanation, a kid with trauma.

@@goo2098 I didn't even attempt to watch it last season. It was a stretch to get me to watch S2, after the intergalactic fungus highway bullshit. Super future meets old af is a boring trope, and once i heard about "the burn" I decided that was only going to end with something smooth brained. Thanks for saving me time

@@cruss4612 I didn't really want to either, you're right their ideas are crap but when it comes to Sci-fi we don't have alot of choices. Time travel, future, whatever writers introduce when they're running out of ideas.

Ingredients: cobalt, cobalt, cobalt.

@@shingshongshamalama if star trek officially gives that as the composition i will laugh my head off 😂

@@q5sys ah yes of course

No, they are twisting/distorting dimensions, no mention is made of "alternate" dimensions (which would more properly be called alternate realities). They're changing the shapes of up and down and forward and backward and time - *THOSE* dimensions.

@@a-blivvy-yus Let me start by saying that I don't think they've ever _definitively_ given a super detailed explanation in-canon, it's been intentionally left a little vague for story reasons. That said, I have a strong recollection of them using the term zero-point energy, which is drawn from a vacuum state. In most multiverse theories, zero-point energy does come from adjacent dimensions. Changing up/down/time is already what a Photon does, being a high energy matter-antimatter explosion. Those are all dimensions we "normally" interact with. I will freely acknowledge that Quantum energy _might_ come from other dimensions that we are unaware of that aren't parallel and are "completely safe" but if we assume that the only other dimensions beyond space (up down etc.) and time are alternate realities, those alternate realities are where zero-point energy comes from.

@@jameyhej3 Yeah, that's not how zero point energy works in any theory, multiverse or otherwise. The idea is that zero point energy exists independently within each universe, not that it's tied to multiverses in multiverse theory. There is an idea that the energy is potentially bound up in other dimensions (NOT alternate realities) within string theory's 10 and 11 dimensional models, which might be where you're getting confused. Also, the idea behind photon torpedoes is *NOT* the distortion of dimensions directly, it's the annihilation of matter and antimatter into high-energy photons (which is something which can be verified to happen irl but we've only ever done it on incredibly tiny scales). Quantum torpedoes supposedly use that huge amount of released energy to bend spacetime in a way that allows an equivalent amount of the zero point energy to become accessible, making the blast more powerful by essentially doubling the power it produces. Half the destructive power is from the photon detonation and the other half from an equivalent release of zero point energy caused by distorting spacetime using the explosion's energy to make itself bigger. Also, again, "dimension" is not the proper term for an alternative reality anyway.

@@a-blivvy-yus I appreciate the detailed response, and I think I perhaps I failed to properly convey the first sentence of mine, which is that there's more than one theory here and ST canon has left it intentionally vague. I fully understand the model you are assuming, and I appreciate you taking the time to fully disclose it so that I know where you're coming from. I agree, your interpretation is _one of_ the valid choices. However, physics does not have a fully working theoretical model for zero-point energy, and the your suggestion that "there isn't one that uses alternate dimensions" is one of the two bits of your response I have issue with, because that, in point of fact, is a theory. And I know this because I am positive I didn't make it up. At the end of the day we don't know exactly where or what zero-point energy is nor where it comes from. Maybe it's just there for the taking, or maybe it has to come from "somewhere else." The second is you keep saying "alternate realities" is the correct term, but "alternate dimensions" is not less valid, because these are all purely theoretical models. The R.B. Fuller 9 dimension model easily supports the notion that higher order (10+) dimensions could actually be parallel realities, and in that model, calling them "alternate dimensions" would be the correct technical term. Some higher order dimensional models all the dimensions exist in the same reality, so I will concede that in that model "alternate reality" would be more accurate. But you can only assume which is the accurate term by also assuming the model, and we're both looking at this from completely different dimensional models. TL;DR: Agree to disagree, but I fully understand and acknowledge that your assumption is internally consistent and therefore a valid option.

@@jameyhej3 You seem to be getting dark matter/energy (they're different but have been explained in similar terms in this particular regard in different proposals) and zero point energy mixed up. There is an idea that if you move far enough in a dimension other than the 4 we can perceive, you could end up "out of phase" with normal physical reality, intangible and invisible to most forms of detection. There are theories which propose that this is why we can't detect dark matter or energy (none suggesting it to be the case for both, only one or the other), but this *ISN'T* the idea behind zero point energy. It's worth mentioning that none of those proposals have made it to a "theory" level in themselves, though they are considered valid possible explanations for aspects of existing theories and things to potentially be tested for in future. Zero point energy is a specific concept which can also sometimes be called vacuum energy. The idea behind it is that even empty space has a non-zero amount of energy which allows it to theoretially fluctuate both up *AND* down from its resting energy level. Some of the energy and its amount might be defined by the existence and number of other dimensions but it isn't "in" another dimension or in an alternate reality according to any actual scientific model that has ever been proposed and taken seriously, let alone reached the level of being a recognised theory. The concept of zero point energy is somewhat required for a lot of theories involving quantum fields and the nature of particles as field fluctuations, so it's widely regarded as likely by those who support the idea of quantum physics, whether they use a 10+ dimensional string theory model or not. It's also worth noting that while Fuller was alive, there was only classical 3 or 4-dimensional physics and what's now known as bosonic string theory (just string theory at the time), which has 26 dimensions. Superstring theory (which is what most people now refer to when saying string theory) showed up around the time he died, and used 10 dimensions with some newer sub-theories using 11. Any model of string theory requires time to be a dimension so you can't even justify calling them 9 dimensional models the way people call classical physics a 3 dimensional model by ignoring time. There is no scientific model that's been considered a serious theory in the past 100 years which uses a number of dimensions that isn't 3, 4, or 10+. Trek canon has left it intentionally vague, but *NOT* in any way that leaves zero point energy open to being energy pulled out of alternate realities. There's also no model where it could be energy which is bound up in an out-of-phase state which could be seen as a pseudo-alternate reality (without any matter which behaves anything like that in our normal perceptible reality) like some proposals about dark matter or energy (but again, not both) suggest them to be.

"Are you just adding 'Quantum' to everything"!🤣

Photon is just as much technobabble. As described, they're matter/antimatter torps, but that's longer and doesn't sound as cool. At least they didn't get saddled with "laser torpedoes" like some movies used. I suspect Robert Whitehead would object to any of this pseudoscientific gadgetry being called a torpedo if he were around to make an objection - or at the very least, demand some royalties.

Quark's isn't strange, it's just a Ferengi-owned Bar and Casino place on DS-9 :p

It was a 1980s-era movie showing off the very latest in 1950s-era technology. Awful props for stuff like machinery, controls, and computer screens. Even kids with paper-route money and Radio Shack parts and C64 computers could build cooler-looking "future" equipment at home. Disappointing details.