I'm sorry but Tom Paris and Captain Janeway hyper evolving into land-fish and then mating with each other is the single greatest moment in television history. A plot so dumb, yet so majestic, that you can only stare in awe and wonder what in the hell the writers were smoking when they wrote that episode.
@@Boogerfartt Unclear as to what you are referring to. I thought it was about the most stupid episode of _Star Trek Voyager._ How many alternate "warp speed" technobabbles had they already tried? Slipstream, transwarp? Oh sure, let's go ∞ speed and see what happens, what you might expect of some cartoon or comic book that doesn't even try to keep the story sci-fi plausible. And while we are at it, let's offend all the religious people and pretend like evolution can be a thing. And now we hear of mad-scientists trying to play God and put nano-robots into people, supposedly to cure damage and heal people, even after how many claims that I hear of vaccines killing or harming people, and even on _Star Trek_ nano-bots or nannites were generally always bad, turned people into the Borg. It seems like _Star Trek_ warned against trans-humanism, at least at the time of the 1980s, it seemed to be potentially bad.
@@jackstraw522 Sometimes sci-fi just gets too ridiculous. Aren't they supposed to keep the story at least somewhat plausible? What about when Barkley somehow had implanted in his mind, alien technology that allowed some super-fast travel to the center of the galaxy. No nonsense "de-volving", but rather bending of space-time that may have seemed about to tear the spaceship apart, yet it did not. I hate it when evolutionists/atheists try to insert their false religion into my sci-fi. Preachy much?
Vulcan Science Academy: Why do you need another Warp Core? Humans: We're going to plug two of them together and see if we go twice as fast. VSA: The last time we gave you a warp core you threw it into a sun to see if the sun would go twice as fast. Humans: Hahaha yeah. Humans: It did though. VSA: IT EXPLODED Humans: It exploded twice as fast!
Hey, you can't argue with the results. Humas went from the NX-01 to the Soverign-Class in just a couple hundred years, Vulcans were like "WTF just happened"
@@andyb1653 Think of it from the perspective of Soval. He was *there* when Earth made their first experiemtns to go towards Warp 5. He was still there when they fought the Interstellar war against the Romulans. And that was just one Vulcan Lifetime.
was it called just “red matter” or was that also some weird omega type particle? i cant remember. would have been smart to link the two, maybe the red stuff is s stable isotope of omega.. still powerful but not on the whole galaxy annihilating/ subspace crushing type idk
Love how the Federation keeps accidentally making world-destroying superweapons. Nothing is scarier than a Starfleet ship that wants to get to the intergalactic Krispy Kreme before the hot light goes off.
Why do you think the Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites just gave up there own empires to become subservient to the Humans? They saw what the humans were capable of when they kicked the Romulans arse all the way back to Romulus and decided it was best to not get in there way. The Federation is just a bunch of alien races trying to keep the Humans distracted from actually intentionally making super weapons.
I mean technically it obviously worked in the first place it just took a lot longer than expected and they just cheated a bit by handing them the cheat sheet.
4:47 "Paris's warp 10 project was shelved, due to the unavoidable mutative effects..." What are you talking about?? They developed a full cure for that! There was absolutely no reason they couldn't start ferrying people all the way home the very next day, provided the Doctor gives them their "Don't mutate" inoculation. The only reason it was shelved was because the shows writers had to hit the end-of-episode reset button.
All they had to close this plot hole was throw in a 3 or 4 red shirts that didn't survive the de-evolution procedure to make the casualties too high to risk it
"... and I ended up stranded in the late 20th century. Have you ever been to that time frame?" "No." "Well, I don't recommend it. After three decades with those post-industrial barbarians, I had to go through extensive rehabilitation before I could return to duty. Avoid contact with Janeway. That's an order."
No way the slipstream drive gets shelved, it gets given right back to Starfleet HQ and given priority 1 development. Having your entire fleet able to be anywhere within your territory within a few hours would be immense.
@@TheRezro so a cop out of "we added this thing but its a bit too good so lets make a reason its not everywhere and move on" XD in the universe of ST thats a such a cop out lol.
That's the thing that everyone seems to gloss over with phasic cloaking. You can fly through anything, stars, planets, black holes - and never be harmed, or even seen. You could hide inside a planet, and your enemies would have to blow up the planet, or dig a hole half way through the planet just to get to you. It's more than just 'appearing out of nowhere'. It's immunity and invulnerability; it's the ultimate escape from any bad situation. It's cloaking a bomb, flying it past shields and armor and hull right into the engineering or command section of any ship, then decloak and detonate. One shot destruction of any ship - even a Borg ship. A well prepared Federation could easily tear up the treaty and have the Romulan empire on its knees in a matter of days.
The Enterprise used the tech temporarily and it worked to help them escape the asteroid they were trapped in, if memory serves me so technically it worked, the problem was the treaty violation.....DAMN!!
One technical problem the writers did not think about. You would have no navigation system. All information would phase threw you as well. The crew would be blind as the light would phase past your eyes. The sensors scans would be out of phase and you would get no feedback. Literally no information would be gained. You could phase but it would never be safe to phase back once you have moved.
@@lazymanpainting in the episode it didn't work like that. They could navigate and use sensors. In reality it probably would work like you said. Then again so would a regular cloaking device. We have to assume they had a way around that problem in both cases.
@@TheAsvarduilProject I never understood the hate for voyager.. Yes it had its what the fucking fuck moments.. But it was till my favourite of the TNG era shows.
@@EvlEgle Voyager utterly wasted its premise. The original setup was brilliant. Ship stranded without Federation support, 70 years to go, and partially crewed by essentially terrorists. This should have shown how the Federation's ideals would be put to test. Moral dilemmas, and crew conflicts (by having Maqis in the crew you can circumvent the Rodenberry's rule without destroying his vision outright). But in the end, it boiled down to watered down TNG. Also, inconsistent characters, and playing fast and loose with continuity, like the episodes mentioned.
8:00 Who negotiates these treaties on the federation side? Either a total incompetent or a spy. Romulan: "peace if you dont make cloaking devices." Federation: "sure, so when are you gonna stop?" Romulan: "no, no. We can, you can't." Federation: "but what do we get in return." Romulan: "peace...and this romulan senator plushie set. Its a collectors item...and cute." Federation: "deal."
You could argue that the Federation is better of *without* cloaking devices. I mean, think about it. They're explorers and scientists. They're not conquerors like the Romulans, or even the Klingons. The ships are all big and bright and shiny, and even though they have a lot of weapons, they're not built for war. Would you put a stealth engine on Boaty McBoatface? So, with the prospect of peace with one of their oldest enemies on the table, the Federation gave up something that they'd only need if they weren't going to have peace.
wouldnt a cloaking system be of some use in scouting out pre-warp civilizations with less risk of violating the prime directive by initiating a premature first contact? you can still see a starship in orbit if you have a powerful enough telescope ya know as mentioned in that TNG episode where riker was given plastic surgery to go incognito in preparation for first contact, but ended up in a hospital and almost exposed, resulting in the kidnapping of i think either some leading scientist or leader, and it being decided that the world was not ready for first contact.
@@AtrociousAK47 The Federation has been shown to use camouflaged observation posts, like duck blinds, to watch pre-warp societies. But that's different. I think.
Vulcans watching "Back To The Future": Interesting, and quite plausible, even. Humans: You do realize it's fiction, don't you? Vulcans: We approve of the authenticity depicted here. This "Doc Brown" is just like all Federation engineers, in our experience. It explains so much, especially human fascination with time travel.
What I like is that the M5 computer failed, but there is a successful successor in the ECH. The Emergency Command Hologram. At least one exists, we don't know if Starfleet adopted the idea after Voyager returned.
Starfleet logic: let's make a cloaking device that can pass through solid matter public knowledge. Also Starfleet logic: let's make a powerful molecule part of a secret directive? o.0
Origin of the technology is alien, a genius big-brain species. Federation acquired the tech from illicit scans of the hardware and illegally downloaded software. And Federation still doesn't understand how it works after much study and testing. Seems like the Federation is Pakled in this instance.
There was that one failed experiment to let JJ Abrams direct Star Trek movies. I don't have the exact death tolls, but I still have horrifying flashbacks whenever I am reminded
Can't remember the exact episode of TNG but there was an episode where a member world came up with a design for moving ships at warp speeds without the ship needing actual warp engines. It was meant for the ship to ride a wave of energy from planet to planet. the project fail when the wave destabilized, destroying the test ship, and increasing in magnitude intensity to the point where it would utterly devastate the receiving planet. Had it not been for the efforts of the Enterprise able to dissipate the wave, then an entire continent at least would have been devastated, if not the whole planet.
Why didnt they do that on the show? Works against those "Pay 5000€ now to unlock your computer because the FBI found child porn and locked it" viruses.
@@JaxMerrick I know. But as somebody who's done network administration and low-level tech support, it baffles me that people fall for these ransomware popups.
The Gagarin IV aggressive antibody experiment killed the crew of 26 on the U.S.S. Lantree after they stopped by the Darwin research station. The first officer's Thelusian flu triggered the antibody response from the children who had been modified there.
Honestly, my one complaint about the Pegasus experiment and the reason why it failed is that it technically _didn't_ violate the treaty. The treaty specified _cloaking_ technology. The interphase "cloak" was a _phase shifting_ technology, with the ship and everything on-board becoming inert to ALL matter in the normal phase while the ship was out of phase, including photons. Photons aren't being redirected around the ship, they're outright passing through it. Along with everything else.
Technically yes. But! It could trigger war. Transparency at least on the border zone was one of reasons why Romulans didn't attempt to wipe Federation. Yes. The true reasons was that Romulans didn't have strength and were only pretending to be stronger then they were. But if they would detect this technology in use, they would consider it as casus beli anyway. It is why Picard openly told them about incident and apologized.
@@TheRezro I don't think the Romulans would have directly gone to war with the Federation even over that. They're not stupid, they know they wouldn't win a direct conflict. And they wouldn't be able to use the Klingons as a distraction at that point because they had lost any diplomatic relations they had with them after the aftermath of the Khitomer Massacre (Source: Yesterday's Enterprise).
@@TheBntimmins That is also my understanding. The term "Trans Warp" always stood for the next generation of Warp drive before it became the new standard and the Warp scale was adapted to let the new full speed be the new Warp 9.9.
Trans Warp, @@MetalheadAndNerd, could be the next logical step over traditional Warp Drives due to the transformative properties of Warp 10. That Trans Warp conduits naturally provide a barrier to the transformative properties of Warp 10, that is. So that is why Voyager's crew and the Borg both could use Trans Warp conduits with impunity without ever suffering any ill effects of Warp 10. At least that is what I suspect anyways.
I am surprised the Federation didn’t resort to using the omega particles in the Dominion war when they thought they were losing. It is effectively scorched earth + a giant bomb. Perfect for attack and defense if you are desperate enough.
there are other planets in that area not involved in the war. it would be like destroying the entire country but also any of the smaller ones inside of it's borders.
Surely unleashing an omega explosion near the far side of the worm hole would be the sort of thing section 31 would think up! It would prevent the enemy fleet from quickly reaching the wormhole, assuming it didn’t just close the wormhole fully.
Admiral Pressman: So ensign, you have been selected to join me on this hazardous and vital science mission. Young ensign: This is such an honour sir, I promise to serve with valour and distinction. Admiral Pressman: Excellent, report to The Pegasus, Oberth Class. Young Ensign: Oberth class you say? You know actually, I think I'm busy that week.
I picture life on a Pegasus class starship is like being in the navy and assigned to a tiny ship that is always sent out into the sea to experiment with something they don't want to try on a larger and more expensive vessel yet... with more expendable crewmen. You know, the guys who are sweating when they are waiting for new orders to come in and then cheering when the orders come in to just scout out some area dangerously close to enemy territory... zero experiments involved... being happy to go to an area where bad guys are more likely to shoot at you because of no experiments on the ship. Let that sink in.
Putting a prototype AI in command of a weapon of mass destruction like a Constitution class starship is madness. All prototype AI should have the most exhaustive and lengthy shake downs before requiring the least bit of trust in them.
Wouldn't you consider Data a prototype AI? Was it "madness" to make him a command officer on the Federation's flagship? He goes on to become the Enterprise's captain for something like 14 years, although we're not sure whether that's canon.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Good point, yes Data is a prototype, but not the first of his kind thankfully. Passing Starfleet Academy with flying colors is a pretty thorough shakedown, wouldn't you say? He then faithfully served his duty in such a way that he climbed the ranks to Lieutenant Commander. This alone would be sufficient to trust him with your life for most people but when you consider his personality and motivations, he was a saint. It would have been madness however to find him, assemble him, then just make him third in command of the flagship (or any ship).
The Slipstream drive makes an appearance in Andromeda, where it is the primary type of FTL in that universe. Not Star Trek, but based on notes by Gene Roddenberry, so it could be considered a possible far future version of the ST universe.
Holy cow Andromeda, I haven't heard of that show in forever but I remember previews on TV back in the early 2000s. It just always looked like a train wreck and I knew to stay away. I feel like Kevin sorbo is uniquely qualified for the cheesiness of Hercules and that's about it so he just looked awful in a sci-fi show and really anything else.
The Federation is still doing better than Ancients of the Stargate universe, on casualties. The Ancients seemed to have a flawed understanding of safety procedures.
To be fair, the Ancients also went full halo and wiped out all life in the galaxy on purpose with the dakara device too. Thus their accidents are still way less dangerous than something they did intentionally >
Just watched TNG through for the first time. I would like to submit the warp carrier wave experiment, warp travel without an onboard warp engine. It increased in velocity, no deaths but did destroy the test craft and nearly wiped out a planet.
Janeway should have been court martialed but instead she got promoted. Actually, if Starfleet always promotes their problematic Captains, it explains why half the Starfleet Admirals we meet are jerks doing shady things.
@@dojokonojo Lets be honest, if Ransom had got home without running in to Voyager he too would have been promoted. The PR disaster of clapping a Captain in irons after such an epic feet of survival would have made Genesis look like a cakewalk no matter what means said Captain used.
@@DarthAzabrush Yeah I don't think they'd be promoting Ransom while they are fighting those Aliens he was using to get home. Pretty sure they'd just swarm Earth.
Something that has bothered me about *_"Timeless"_* since first seeing it: *Harry Kim* needs to sit in a shuttle-craft, and, with a *_hand-calculator,_* work-out the phase-variances for the Slipstream trip. What, there's no computer in the 24th century that could have handled that?
It would have taken them all of 2 hours to write and fully test the required software, and they were impatient. It is like that ridiculous snippet that annoyed me, where the holographic Doctor washes his hands. Whatever for? Can't he just re-materialize and he would be far cleaner than any washing procedure could produce? But got to dumb it down for all the dull humans in the audience who can hardly grasp _Star Trek_ anyway.
Yosef MacGruber why does the holographic doctor even have hands? Well, okay, that’s obvious, for the same reason it has an avatar at all; to give the meatbags something to talk to. The real question is why does it need them? If it was “fully integrated” into the medical bay systems, why couldn’t it use the forcefields to pick things up from anywhere in the room, or simply ‘think’ orders at the replicator to create new vials of anesthazine or whatever? Why did it need to read any of the diagnostic consoles, for that matter? Basically, no-one was thinking straight when the concept was first created. Also, it would have made it much more interesting when they did finally allow him “out” to the holodeck and/or the remote emitter since he’d have had to get used to actually walking across the room to pick stuff up and all that.
@@randombloke82 Leading to an interesting exchange between 'The Doctor' and _USS Prometheus_ 's EMH Mk-II: Mk-I: Stop breathing down my neck. MK-II: My breath is a simulation, Mk-I: So is my neck. Stop breathing down it!
@@randombloke82 If you wanted to stretch the trope of "holodeck malfunction" a bit, it would be reasonable to assume that the holographic system acts in an isolated mode, only having connections to the emitters and databanks required for creating interactive holograms, and nothing else. As a further example, even the Emergency Command Hologram experiment required the Command Hologram to issue orders either verbally or via physical interfaces. This would act as a barrier against unauthorized holograms wrecking critical systems, as well as any malfunction-caused cascade effects. One would hope the experiences aboard the Enterprise-D have taught Starfleet something by the time Voyager was commissioned.
Plot Twist, the whole thing was just a Holodeck episode and none of it actually happened. The "Evolution" was purely due to the computer being like "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST DO". This would be why Janeway and Paris were able to be brought back. They were only holographically transformed. And their spawn did not actually exist, so leaving them behind doesn't hurt as much. If only....
Worst thing is about THAT episode is that in the 'Voyager Rest' which happens at the end of every episode so they can move on and pretend it never happened... They found a cure for all those ill results so there was actually no reason they couldn't have used it toi get home or anywhere else and then just taken a booster shot.
“Hey, I’ve got this computer that can theoretically run an entire starship!” “I’m assuming you’ve never heard of Control, right?” “No, what’s that?” “Never mind...”
Control? What's that? Sounds like some kind of really dumb idea that a bunch of morons would make. Nah, you must be thinking of a different show than Star Trek?
@@angelangelis8362 Nope. It is the canon series Discovery. While it is not the same form of show that TOS, TNG, Voyager & DS9 were, it is still part of the ST universe, despite what some fans may think. Just because it was _different_ does not make it _bad._
Precisely. All of that was expunged from the record. Which explains why nobody ever thought of stopping Dicky Daystrom. Or Section 31 couldn't get to the M5 unit to sabotage it in time, unlike their successful efforts to throw a spanner in the works the first four times.
"When you have to resort to time travel to make a get a project work, you've goofed off somewhere." This is what I keep telling my team, time and time again, again, and again.
Even if you attribute their deaths to causes not directly related to the Genesis Project, Khan and any survivors about his ship were killed when he detonated the device (I am counting Spock's death as being indirectly related to the Genesis Project as radiation exposure killed him not the detonation of the Genesis device).
The omega molecules fascinate me as it is unclear what actually stabilized them. My guess is a sort of Goldilocks effect with the molicules. Too few of the molicules and they dentinate too many they still won't properly stabilize get the right number of molicules and they form the lattice we saw in the Voyager episode. I think it is this way because the molicules stabilized as Seven of nine was destroying the molicules..
@@zacharybyford8200 Threshold is hated for its insane handling of science. Infinite Speed is unobtainable. It would require infinite energy. Then there's the problem of an entire space nation putting their best available scientists at problems like this... and a shortorder cook, two terrorists and a barely out of the academy ensign solve the problem over coffee. The fact that transwarp experiemnts failed because they lacked a special form of dilithium crystals is usually also stated. The total ignorance the episode shows about evolution (we don't have an inert form to strife towards, and evolution is not happening in indiviidual people) The insanity about not using the drive because of mutation... that can be easily treated even at a very late stage OFF-SCREEN.
Pushing past the warp limit and being turned into salimanders and having the episode end on a joke about the Captian and the Pilot having salimander sex is not a good way to use a good concept@@zacharybyford8200
TNG episode "New Ground" had the Enterprise involved with a new warp wave experiment that resulted in the test ship exploding and the wave gaining strength as it was out of control.
The marshmallow dispenser uses omega particles for its operation. Sure it's all fun and games around a camp fire until one of those things destabilizes. Then the fun and games are over for light years in every direction🤫✌🖖👍
In that episode with the Traveller, you could see Wesley look with wonder and curiosity. But after that he just went teenage angst and was lost. Dumb plotting for that character
GeoStreber I thought that from the very first time they showed him! He was nothing but a pain in the kiester from the get go! At last, someone who thought like me! This proves I'm not crazy!!! Doesn't it?
MoonLghtKnght The Red Matter didn’t destroy any timelines, it transported Spock and the Narada to a different one. The Prime Timeline still exists and continues undisturbed, as evidenced by the fact that this event is frequently referenced in STO, and even the new Picard series takes place after it. Besides, I doubt it created the Kelvin timeline. There are too many differences in the continuity and aesthetic to say that the changes started with the Narada’s arrival, and I’d place the point of divergence somewhere much earlier.
@@a.morphous66 True, it didn't DESTROY the timeline. However, that's what the producers were trying to do by making these movies. "Forget everything you know about the characters and universe you loved, now we are going to give you ACTION and LENS FLARE GALORE" "Oh, you didn't like that? Ok, how about hairless Klingons?" "No? Ok, here's old Picard and we'll even give you Data back!" "Whew, I think we dodged a bullet there fellas."
@@a.morphous66 WOuldn't the event have caused the Kelvin timeline to split? after all there would be one in witch everything was normal and another one in which spock and dummy arrived in and caused all sorts of mess
I think Omega should be on top! The potential harm is staggering. Because it has already affected travel in a whole galaxy, causing untold harm, it deserves #1.
I know that this was recorded before the ending of S2 of the Discovery but.... *MINOR SPOILER ALERT FOR DISCOVERY S2* I'd say that Control was the biggest failed experiment tbh. It cost Starfleet about 30 Section 31 ships and their complement (on an avg. of 80-100 crew members * 30 = almost 3000 dead) + the loss of vast number of information stored within Control + (to avoid spoilers) casualties later on when Control tried to prevent their escape + two admirals + much more (like the potential destruction of all known universe and more) We know Starfleet created Control. We know it was an experiment in which all Fleet admirals would feed information into the advanced A.I. to help them with decisionmaking. So yeah, I believe that Control did a number on the entire universe pretty much. P.S. yes I am aware that Control turned 30 Section 31 ships into crew-less drones, but I doubt that it found those ships just floating around, it probably did the same thing that it did to the crew of the Section 31 ship that "missed its check-in" when Spock and Michael went to investigate. So it's safe to assume that those crews got rekt. And yes I'm aware that we don't know much about how Control gained self-consciousness, maybe S3 will give us more insight, but based on the knowledge we have after S2, so far it's still unclear how this came to be, thus we can assume that it evolved.
In a proposed Star Trek cartoon set 75 years after Next Gen, DS9 and Voy, it was to be called Star Trek: New Frontier. A series of omega bombs were exploded all but destroying warp travel in the federation. This is a federation and star fleet whose glory days are behind them after a second Romulon war, Vulcan succeeding from the federation and the Klingons empire being conquered by the romulons
I can only imagine Kirk telling his inner circle about it: “Well, there’s this secret organization within Starfleet called Section 31 that uses illegal means supposedly in service to the Federation.” Spock: “Excuse me, Captain, I need to make a call... Tyler, we’ve got a problem.”
If I were Section 31, I'd be much more interested in the Genesis technology than I would Omega; imagine being able to create human life-supporting planets anywhere you needed them! That kind of tactical/strategic advantage would catch Section 31's attention; and it would be far easier to control than Omega. Just my 2c.
I have that book, it’s a good read. I like how it subtly implies that Admiral Cartwright from Star Trek IV and (more importantly) VI was part of Section 31.
@@artembentsionov "Well, there’s this secret organization within Starfleet called Section 31 that uses illegal means supposedly in service to the Federation.” Spock: "So exactly what you tend to do with your disregard for the Prime Directive and multiple Time Travel violations." Kirk: "Yes but they're not me so it's completely different."
Still the Slipstream Drive was perfected some time later after Voyager's return home, and was successfully tested on the USS Aventine, in command of Captain Ezri Dax on the Star Trek novels expanded universe.
It occurs to me that the Omega molecule in still shots strongly resembles the Fesarius-class First Federation starship encountered by the original enterprise in TOS
That one was a biggie. Because every time someone in Starfleet gets self-righteous about other civilizations doing "dangerous" experiments they need to be reminded of the time the Federation nearly broke *time itself* for the galaxy! Honestly, I think that Q criticizes humans so much because his official day job for the Continuum is snapping everything back into order whenever humanity screws up space and time.
Doctor Paul Mannheim was not undergoing sanctioned Federation Research, he was conducting personal research he believed in. Much like Dr. Noonian Soong in his Positronic Brain. Nor was Dr. Arik Soong who earlier modified Augment embroys left over from the Eugenics Wars to "futher" humankinds evolution.
I've been re-watching tng and there are multiple references to protomatter. Either the UFP legalized it's use some time after Wrath of Khan or the writers forgot it was banned.
The list is good. I think it's not easy to put everything in a top 10 order. I would also mention the "Deadalus" Project of Emory Erickson, the Subquanten-Transporter. But it's definitely not ranked in Top 10. Also the Soliton Drive was not a succsess and they had luck that no one was killed.
Genesis needs to be much higher on the list, with the losses of the Grissom, Khan's 72, almost the entire project staff and various casualties on the Reliant and Enterprise (all in all 3 Starfleet vessels destroyed) to take into account.
That is known, the Reliant had 1 casualty, its captain. The rest are admittedly marooned by Khan, not harmed, just stranded. Also the genesis project didn't fail. The cave is proof that the project works, it just needs a stable base and not an exploded starship in order to work as intended. Genesis project shouldn't be on the list.
@@Burningrobes to quote the late John McLaughlin, "WRONG!" EVERYONE, except for Dr. Marcus and David on Regula 1 were slaughtered, there's no doubt that some of the crew resisted the attempt to strand them on Ceti Alpha V
The Genesis Project did technically fail. The failure wasn't because Khan detonated the Genesis device onboard the Reliant (causing a really big asplosion). The failure was seen in The Search for Spock. The reason given during the movie, for the environmental (and later planetary) instability was that David cut some corner and used an unstable proto-matter when building the Genesis device because the Federation wouldn't give them enough backing (read: funding) to procure the proper substance needed for the construction. It could be said that the Genesis device may have worked perfectly had the correct substance been used in its construction; but we'll never know as the project was effectively abandoned for being too easily used as an WMD.
How about poor Chekov, losing all of his stuff , clothes , ECT. when Reliant blew up ?. Later, Spock loses his belongings when the Enterprise blows up. I know it's not a Starfleet experiment, just a question.
@@astra6640 From a legal perspective you are right. But, for example, if I bought the Mona Lisa and painted her a mustache and say this is the Mona Lisa now, would it be?
@@phantomlordmxvi That analogy doesn't that really work in this case - a painting doesn't have canon or fanon, it was painted the way it was painted and that's it. No additions after the fact would ever be considered the real painting. To apply that to TV shows like Star Trek would mean to allow no content at all that wasn't in the originals to be canon, and that is not an option if you want a franchise to stay truly alive.
@@astra6640 Ok, then how about this: If CBS made Captain Picard into a murdering pirate that actually is a clingon, would you say that this would still be real Star Trek apart from a legal Standpoint?
@@justinthompson6364 The Soliton Wave Generator - meant to propel ships without warp drive at warp speeds (imagine a moving walkway from an airport for starships). Of course we can fire this thing at an inhabited planet - nothing will go wrong. It went wrong and the Enterprise-D had to risk itself to dispers the wave before it killed a colony. No mention of ending the project.
@@Tezunegari Given that it had the potential for destruction but didn't actually kill anyone, it would occupy the same space as the Genesis torpedo... but that was the bottom spot, and the Genesis torpedo probably got that spot because of the attention it got in-universe.
Just a correction ... warp drive was invented before the Federation existed ... etc. So the Federation did not create Warp Drive ... UPDATE to clarify: The Federation made Warp drive ships, improved them and made them better ... but they did create the Warp drive eng. Illustrate I made many computers, I made cars, I made a lot of stuff in my lifetime but they were all created by somebody before I made it! Both in original series, TNG, and Enterprise confirm this. All timeline changes in the TV series and Movies did not change this fact. Timeline changes came after the fact ...
Yes, it existed before the Vulcan ship that detected Chochrane was using them. What was revised that the Alpha Centarians had nothing to do with inspiring Zefram Cochrane from creating a warp drive. In Gene Roddenberry canon a slower than light mission went to Alpha Centauri where a habited planet was discovered with humans. Evolving on a different planet Alpha Centarians have a slightly different arrangement of internal organs. One of the Earthling was communicating with an AC using mathematics. Some of it was way over his head but from he could understand that it may be possible to travel along the curvature of time. If such a thing can be done than faster then light travel can be done. The bottom of the report was signed Zefram Cochrane Chief Science Officer. The movie Star Trek: First Contact toss that out the window. Alpha Centarians was changed to experts in terraforming who had helped Earth repair the damages from the war.
Each civilization created their own version at one point. It was their first step into joining the galactic neighborhood. They rarely learned of the existence of other planets until after creating one of their own accord.
@David of Yorkshire Cochrane invented the warp drive. This was well before the Federation was founded, so Jacob is correct in that the Federation did not invent it (though they've certainly improved upon it many times).
Warp drive is the biggest flaw of the spacefaring civilizations that use warp drive. Because, as the name suggests, warp drive warps space/subspace...and what is warped long enough will eventually stretch to the point of breaking or tearing. (TNG: Force of Nature)
Never forget in the Star Trek animated series there was a ship from the inverse universe that was traveling Warp 35. Somehow the Enterprise could scan, locate and lock a tractor beam on the ship moving that fast.
it woulld if you didnt need to be captain or higher rank to know imagine cadet at the academy so here the second directive . excuse me sir whats the prime directive answer i don't know it classified that would caused to much curiosity and questionning ending up by the directive eventualy be reveal
regarding # 6........you forgot the crews of a small freighter, a federation science vessel, the crew and compliment (less 1) of the klingon bird of prey, and lest we forget, Dr. david markus.
Except that Starfleet didn’t construct or design Data or Lore; Dr. Noonian Soong did, and he was just a private citizen, not a member of Starfleet, nor the Government of the UFP. And I would hardly call Data a failure; Lore, on the other hand, is a different matter.
@@nathanrcoe1132 For all intents and purposes, Lore was a success, and a failure at the same time. Success, because he had all the traits of a Human. Failure, because he had all the traits of a Human.
I have to say, I disagree with about half of your list: -8: the transwarp experiment was entirely fabricated by the traveler, and worked exactly as he intended; there were no casualties and even if the modifications produced "only" a marginal increase in efficiency, I strongly doubt the federeation would drop it. It's not the breakthrough they though, but it's a positive result nonetheless. -6: the genesys device was a resounding success, working as intended and completely delivering what it promised. The fact that someone weaponized it doesn't make it a failure. It's like saying that atomic energy is a failure because someone drop two supercritical reactors on two cities causing more than 200'000 deaths. Or saying that antimatter or warp drive are a failure as a concept because of all the incidents, spectacular failures and weaponization we have seen in the series. -5: the pegasus. Given the premises (being an illegal experiment to begin with) and what we have seen about cloaking devices in other episodes, I strongly doubt that section 31, or even starfleet security, ACTUALLY dropped its developement. They just forgot to inform the Enterprise crew about it. -4: quantum slipstream. The engine was a success the first time (the delta flier reached Earth) and was a success again the second time, with better calculations (they shaved off about 10 years of travel). It was just the Voyager crew that shelved the concept, and even that only for plot reasons; I would be very surprised if starfleet didn't restart the project the moment they knew about it. My candidate for the best (worst) failing research project goes to the de-icing of borgs in the episode "regeneration", which caused every subsequent borg encounter...
There nothing in canon that says they continued as it would be a reason for the romulans wage war as they kept their part of the treaty, also they got that tech from the romulans later into the defiant .
Genesis did not work as intended. the Class M planet it created tore itself apart after becoming unstable, because David used proto-matter as a shortcut.
Um ... Star Trek... control panels are full of explodium and rocks ... "manual overrides" are operated through glossy computer touchscreens ... Delta Flyer uses the latest in retro-future knobs and levers. The only on/off switch in the whole series seems to be the one built into Data's armpit.
The Excelsiors drive probably succeeded as the Warp scale was completely changed in TNG which is probably due to the Transwarp drive. So it probably just took a while to be refined.
It's generally considered canon that (Excelsior) Transwarp didn't work on a large scale. It was supposed to be a whole new form of FTL. The recalibrated Warp Drive of TNG is simply an evolution, for example 1701-D's warp field is naturally asymmetric and unbalanced as part of it's daily functioning. (Excelsior) Transwarp had been tested on a very small scale with it's special warp field generated from outside the field itself, and iirc the failure was that the field would instantly collapse when generated from inside the field. There was technobabble involving subspace and quantum crap iirc. Who knows maybe it was a first attempt at quantum slipstream drive they just didn't realize it? It doesn't help that 'transwarp' later becomes a blanket term for 'Things that exceed warp'.
@@copperhamster only failed the public test because......... Scotty Sabotaged it. Many, Many Episodes used Transwarp as a reason for things to go wrong. Good times. Lazy writing.
It doesn't seem that Control was in an experimental phase, having already been proliferated across all of Section 31's fleet and even being used by Starfleet Command.
From what I gather control as it was originally implemented was not a true AI and didn’t its self fail so much as get co opted by the future AI that was looking to ensure its creation.
Though not an experiment. It was a proposal to implement a threat management A.I. That did one kill alot ... a whole space station and several starships full of crew. (basically all of section 31's starships). It even wiped out all sentient life when it succeeded acquiring its sentience. The Borg could only wish they had that kind of A.I.
You might watch to watch the episode with the M5 again. The body count was much higher. All four "attacking" starships were beat up pretty badly and each of them had casualties. I'm thinking more like 800 total dead and wounded.
@@JB-ym4up I thought only one ship was rendered lifeless. Two were trashed and the fourth was still good. I don't have time to re-watch the episode right now but memory alpha only states that the Excalibur was "crippeled" and everyone was killed and the other three were damaged and sustained losses. If anyone has the time to come up with an exact number, I'll take 650 dead and another 300 wounded and I'm sure there is a dead Captain or two in there also.
@@tomb7088 you're probably correct it's been ages since I've watched. To be sure it was a huge disaster for starfleet in both lives lost and the crippling of 1/3 of their constitution class ships.
you forgot the highly explosive material called explodium which was meant for next generation consoles on ships but killed a lot of people due to its explosive nature
...That's just Arc Flash. A real world problem in high power systems. And the ones in the show are very minor as real world ones can vaporize a person due to the massive amount of energy involved.
1) make kirk an admiral 2) oberth class star ships 3) underage bridge ensigns played by wil wheaton 4) talaxian cooks on board of starships 5) provoke the borg 6) peace negotiations with the romulans 7) lets strand khan on ceti alpha v 8) lets introduce a rank above captain. im sure there will never be a vain/arrogant/blind/incompetent/corrupt commodore/admiral in starfleet
The phase-shifting cloak was NOT a failure. It worked, except Picard on his high horse put the treaty first even though the Romulans keep looking for a fight… 🙄
IKR military doesnt out its own top secret programs that would be treason? Picard should have been courtmartialed for leaking classified intelligence op
@@lightrayfused544 I would think that something phasing back to normal while inside a solid object (like an asteroid) would have a "somewhat" more energetic result than simply appearing halfway inside said asteroid, like maybe huge explosion as hundreds or thousands of tons of mass attempts to occupy the same space as the other matter?
@@markwilliams-ko5zq Not necessarily: depends on how phasing works. In essence there is more than sufficient space between atoms to have another bunch of atoms phased into it. It's is not a fissile material: where basically the neutron flux can become so dense that the reaction is self-sustaining or unstable, and extremely dense materials do exist in nature.
