I've used Paint Shop Pro (Since it's early JASC days in the early '90s... yeah on Windows 3.1!), GIMP and Photoshop. Currently I am using Corel Paint Shop Pro 2020. I don't require most of the features that even Paint Shop Pro offers, but curious as to what your thoughts are on Paint Shop Pro or if you have ever had the opportunity to use it. In the past, I have also used many porfessional Photoshop plugins with Paint Shop Pro.
I’ve been a real estate photographer for years now. You’ve probably seen my work if you’ve ever opened any architecture magazine or the NYC or DC Zillow page. I’ve only ever used GIMP. I honestly have no idea how to use Photoshop. I’m sure it’s similar but I’m not going to fix what isn’t broken.
Great presentation. But i might be missing something. Correct me if i am wrong. Photoshops crop tool allows cropping to standard frame sizes (5x7 etc) at the resoltuion you need in one seamless action. Resizing or cropping in GIMP only allows you to set the width or height. The other dimension resets in proportion. Not to the standard mat or frame size. Is there something i am missing?
Either rent an expensive monthly photoshop? Or get gimp that's free for life you and your team can all join freely! and no force updates? Plus you can add plugins or make your own! No contracts or licensing to deal with and is just as good as photoshop i think the answer is obvious this is no brainer! Gimp is really the best photo editing software ever! You have freedom to create without breaking a bank!
I've never used Photoshop. I've used GIMP. Well, I've tried to use Gimp. I usually give up in frustration over not being able to figure out how to something simple. I've tried to use it to outline part of a photo for "de-screening" and couldn't figure out how to do it accurately. I tried to use it to fix the contrast on a scanned image that was too dark to see properly, but couldn't come up with anything usable. Even just trying to cut out part of an image and stamp it down elsewhere, or use it to draw with has me banging my head on the desk. I get that it's a powerful program, but why does powerful have to equal complicated? For simple editing or making something from scratch, I use the Windows program Ultimate Paint. Admittedly it's less powerful, but it's also super-easy to use. Click on the brush select tool, outline the area you want to select (multiple options available) and that section follows your mouse. Left button draws, right buttons erases. If you select the area with the right button, it cuts it instead of copying it. No use of menus is required to do either. Again, it's not as powerful, but for simple tasks, it's a snap to use.
krita has adjustment layers and cmyk color space ...gimp's team can't copy pieces of krita's code for that? I don't know, I'm really ignorant about coding
I asked a similar question on Twitter in regards to Krita's recent Android tablet integration - I was told by the GIMP team that the code bases aren't the same, so they can't simply transfer features from one program to the next.
A big gimp negative for me is that gimp cannot support some tablet pc pens. The HP Pen, which isn't cheap, uses Microsoft Ink API to communicate. Gimp uses the older WinTab API. Therefore, the pen is not recognized inside of the gimp software. Essentially making gimp useless for some of the pens that are out there. The user would either be forced into seeking a different software than gimp, or to find another solution that doesn't involve these pens.
Windows Ink is supported in GIMP 2.99.8 (the development version for 3.0, which you can download now to try out) and will be available in GIMP 3.0 (the stable release). www.gimp.org/downloads/devel/
@@DaviesMediaDesign thanks for the quick response and information! I usually install Gimp from its website but this time I installed it from the windows store. Even though it's supposed to be free it was $3 or $4 from the store. I wanted to see if there was any difference so I went ahead and paid it since it wasn't much. I'll check and see which version was downloaded when I get back to the house. Earned a sub!
I like Gimp, just it seems at times that things which could have solved years ago are still not. For example, when I export PNG from avidemux, it writes the png for several miliseconds while GIMP takes several seconds which annoys me to the point where I prefer to save in JPEG. Also it says it will use 8 threads on my setup, but most often it uses only 1. Also I don't get it why they replaced the nice colorful, clear icons with the new muddy-grey icons which make me feel almost blind when I am trying to distinguish one from another..
@@jerraalmonte8528 I did it and I found out my computer resource was being consumed in unknown system process resulting in slow performance of my PC. This can seem good for a short term but in long term, it makes you goat who's being waited to be sacrificed.
Real talk, Wilbur kinda wierds me out. I love what he stands for, but by god. When they give him a body its always uncanny, and when he doesn't have one all I see is a decapitation victim.
I started with Gimp bc i didn't had money for photoshop or another art program. I have to say that i used it for 4 years and i still love it. I even used it for an art piece for my final exam. It's a really good free program
I like your style - the laptop ventilator is what's killing my plant, not my improper care of the plant. Also, thanks for taking the course, and I hope you enjoy the Darktable course!
I read somewhere that the Gimp development team only consist of a few people around 4-6. It could be much more but even it is open source they need money to grow and create a better product. Blender is a good example since they started a development two years ago they were able to hire 10 fulltime developers and they are able to release a lot of quality updates every week
Yes, a difference thus: the blender team create almost everything from scratch, even their gui, which is coded in opengl, a very low level library. Gimp resuses some open source libraries like GTK+, meaning that a lot of people besides the gimp team did something for the program. For example, tablet support is (mostly) implemented by GTK team and not the gimp programmers. This is one of the main benefit of open source technology.
It's also that adobe aggressively patent many features in photoshop, making it quite literally illegal for GIMP to compare in many areas, especially in convenient object selection.
@@CounterFlow64 bruh why is this even patentable lol? It's the neural network adobe sensei that has learnt to select objects. That's all. And now nobody has rights to make another neural network that could learn how to select objects?
@@theseangle I don't think they use a neural network for smart object selection, they use it for the new smart filters, like the aging filter. Luckily, that isn't patentable. Well, it may be, but open source software like style-GAN has already been doing amazing things like this for a few years, although they aren't very user friendly to set up. Adobe's object selection patent is utter insanity, but as a huge company, they have the legal resources to be granted patents that would other-vice be rejected. Writing a patent application is an art, it needs to be as broad as possible as to cover a super wide area, so that the company can use this to threaten other firms. At the same time, it needs to consist of many bogus fancy words that describe a simple feature. If it sounds complex enough, the patent clerk will probably accept it. Talk about "promoting innovation and useful arts".
Most of the time people don’t need that many undo’s. If someone knew they would need a lot of undo’s it would be easy to say a file and then edit what you want. If you don’t like what you did you can go back to the save.
@@GraveUypo You need more than 1000 undos because GIMP doesn't support non-destructive editing(a red color filter is a filter, not recolored image), smart layers(dynamically linked files) or a history brush (restore edited parts of an image)
Very good comparison 👌. I can sense that slowly but surely GIMP and Inkscape are on the rise and beginning to give some competition to Photoshop and Illustrator, thanks to channels like yours. Thanks a lot.
i've used inkscape for a years but quite honestly it's just inferior to every alternative. everything i did took twice as long to do and sometimes didn't come out as good.
Oh, yeah, I've been using GIMP for the past decade or so now. Just keeps getting better and better, too. Edit: The only issue I've noticed so far, and this has apparently been a bug since 2.10.14, is that with the Lighting Effects filter (especially in 2.10.22), if you try to use channel information as a bump source, the plugin immediately crashes. Not ideal, but a somewhat easy (though slightly inconvenient) stop-gap fix is to keep a 32-bit version (say 2.6.10 or later) installed alongside your 64-bit installation of GIMP.
I have known about Gimp for quite a while, but never had the chance to use it till recently. It is rather good. And is free, as well. As for Photoshop, I would rather stick to the older versions, thar are not "online services"
@@Milos596 i know a bug on my download of GIMP (keep in mind this is the stable 2.10.24) for the ripple effect regarding the triangle effects and whenever I clicked on them it would auto-crash GIMP
And the Adobe adverts continue at the start of your videos. Great tutorials, Gimp works fine on my £300 laptop that definitely isn't all singing and dancing. Thanks for putting out so much content. Clear and easy to follow even for a beginner like me.
I use gimp on an overclocked raspberry pi. Not gonna lie, it chugs but for less than £100, (8 gb version with good case) I can manipulate pictures enough to do what I need for my tshirt designs.
IM now learning Gimp because I REFUSE to pay a monthly feee to use software from adobe, fuck that.. you know how much money they make of one human in the course of 20 years...its alot..I dont wanna be their digital slave.
I've been using Photoshop since 1994, and deeply ingrained long time habit has me locked to it. I tried switching to GIMP, I just could not get used to it. I wish there was more options. Photoshop USED to be good, but then they "touch friendlied" the UI and Adobe decided to make it rental only software. But GIMP is just useless trash for linux geeks, who most are not visual thinkers and wouldn't know good image editing software if it bit them on the ass. Everything from the linux world just plain sucks.
When I first started using GIMP (2010~) I found the layout and all the filters and everything easier to get into rather than photoshop. I think all the AI stuff that photoshop can do can be a bit confusing and complicated, as well as not helpful in understanding how something works - ESPECIALLY if you're self taught. I use GIMP for creating digital artwork and I find gimp is better with all the different layer overlays and filters compared to photoshop. I appreciate how similar the two programs are and find many of the things I've learned are transmutable, and so if anyone is still deciding I would highly recommend starting with gimp.
I just stopped my yearly rental of Adobe CC because the most recent update did weird things on my older Mac. That drove me to try GIMP after hearing about it for many years, and I am very pleased, though I am still learning about the features. I am a visual artist with a low budget.
I feel like the fact that Adobe switched to a subscription business model will switch many people away from Photoshop but I doubt that will affect many large agencies that require photoshop proficiency or schools that refuse to teach anything but photoshop because of the fact it has become industry standard. I genuinely believe that GIMP had more potential than photoshop since if many users want feature and there is more interest towards GIMP it can become more powerful than photoshop and you don't have to rely on a company deciding what feature to add or even hoping that they don't remove some feature. At the moment if you don't require photoshop as a must, you should use GIMP since with scripting you can totally find a workflow that suits you but going from photoshop to GIMP is harder and may not even be worth it. I have never used photoshop (apart from cracked versions that crashed all the time) so I just kinda had to use GIMP and while I am not a photo editor or anything of the sort just for making memes and retouching my own photos GIMP is very adequate.
BTW, Do you know about krita ? I know that gimp is a really good OSS for general image manipulation but krita is truly excellent: - krita has full support for color management. - krita has non-destructive features on par with photoshops. - krita has acess to the gmic plugin too - krita has excellent color transform tools (The catch is, krita is taillord for digital art, so it still lacks some features for smart selections and thus might not be the best option for photographers, but besides this, it is excellent)
krita is my go-to software for art projects. it's honestly better than photoshop for that, and it overall feels more professional than gimp ever did. but for editing it's pretty limited.
Edit the same photo in gimp and PS. Put the images online and ask someone to say which was edited in which software... They won't be able to tell. That's all you ever need to know
I don't think so. People need to find it easier/better to use. The problem is, they learn PS first, then come to gimp and complain that it isn't PS. You can make great things with horrible tools if you persevere enough. Not saying Gimp is horrible, but it's really complicated, especially if you take companies into consideration. There is a great video on Linus Tech Tips where they experiment moving away from the adobe suite for video editing, and its interesting that they had not only technical considerations regarding the softwares but also considered the impact of having to learn new tools and transitioning to new technologies would have on their productivity.
@@jonnyso1 gimp it's not complicated. like you said. it's just the fact that you had learned photoshop first. in mý example as a linux user from years. i never had engaged on photo editing before. so when i begin to learn i go with gimp. if you tell me to use or learn photoshop right now, problably i will think it's difficult or boring.
@@jonnyso1 I started with PS when I was in college, then there goes the subscription fee that I cant pay. So I quit..lol. then I saw this old book back in highschool about GIMP...guess what I'm using now for the last 7 years
GIMP has been my workhorse for Astrophotography processing. Initially, I was choked leaving Photoshop (my workplace gave me). Later, as I started using GIMP, I got so comfortable that I don't think I will be going back to PS even if I get it for free (OK that may be stretching it). With comprehensive tutorials from channels like you I don't have to look further. Thanks a ton.
Some may disagree, however Gimp's greatest weakness is the it is "much" more difficult to use than Photoshop, nowhere near as intuitive. I have tried Gimp many times and found it cumbersome compared to Photoshop!
You have a bias, basically. I've found the opposite, Photoshop has infuriating design bugs. Like showing popup windows that I have to click a tiny ok button to dismiss every time I do something it doesn't expect, or the terrible undo implementation, where if I switch to a tool, draw, then undo, it switches back to the previous tool in addition to undoing the line drawn, which makes line art iteration extremely annoying.
I love GIMP; I have used both products, and I cannot justify having a Photoshop or Adobe subscription. But I don't feel like I am missing out on any features. Then you have darktable, which is a Lightroom replacement. darktable is so light-years ahead of Lightroom (pardon the pun) it's not even funny. Lightroom is good, but it lacks much of the detailed control you can have over a RAW image that darktable gives you. Great comparison video, Michael. You should do one for darktable and Lightroom!
Photoshop Elements essentially took the best features of Photoshop and Lightroom and merged them into an easy to use product. If you really need the full power of Photoshop and Lightroom, then PSE will appear too limiting. If you’re just starting out, then going with the latter is a far more sensible proposition.
The only area where GIMP is painful to use is when you need to separate objects, like a person from a background quickly and accurately. Adobe has managed to patent features like this, so GIMP can't legally do it. Therefore, you can do it in like 10 seconds on PS with super accurate results, while on GIMP it may take many minutes and the results are rough around the edges.
I spent the majority of my teen and college years enjoying pirated Adobe products. While I dabbled in freeware, every employer wanted me to know the Adobe version, so I did what I did to stay "in the know" without shelling out money on something I really didn't have the coin to spend on. I'm here today because the VERY expensive and paid-for (by the company, not me personally) cloud-based Photoshop just crashed on me twice in a row, losing everything I was working on TWICE. I'm so sick of it I'm replacing it asap! I need to get this done before my meeting in two hours. Thanks for this video. :)
Photoshop's strength IMHO is that it has become the industry standard and that is purely because it predates GIMP and had/has a bigger following. It also has a huge amount of money thrown at development. GIMP by contrast was/is always playing catchup in terms of following and GIMP's features are often termed 'GIMP's version of Photoshop's X'. You almost never see the term 'Photoshop's version of GIMP's X'. Therefore GIMP is viewed as a follower not a market leader. OTOH GIMP is free [libre] and often pre-installed with various versions [flavours] of Linux, and is cross-platform, with Linux, Windows and Mac versions so you can 'try before you buy' thus whether you use a computer with Linux, Windows or MacOS you can use the same software and not interrupt your work-flow. Modern iterations of Photoshop do not work in Linux [WINE]. It is not packaged with any operating system, and there is - excluding trial versions which are often cut down - AFAIK no truly free version so you must spend large - depending on your budget - amounts of money and then install it before starting to use it. Virtual Machines [VMs] are often limited in graphics RAM available - not ideal when discussing / using graphics software.
i can confirm it, no one gave a f*** about gimp having this feature, almost no one ever heard of gimp back then, then adobe add'ed this feature and everybody was acting like it was a big deal. the most painfull part is, gimp is open source and this plugin most likely is too, adobe may have copied it from then, but instead of donating for those who contribute with free knowledge for mankind, people paid for adobe and every improvment that adobe may have made will have to be re discovered from scratch by everyone else who want an similiar feature or some improved version of it
Gimp blows Photoshop out the water, ive used both for a lot of years, ive quit Photoshop, even if you find a feature on Photoshop that is not on Gimp, just look for addons for gimp and you will find the addon you need, its never let me down. Its free and very powerful.
I recently switched from Photoshop to GIMP because I just wasn't going to give Adobe any more money.. GIMP, for its resources, is rather good, but the difference in the development team is clear, a few for GIMP vs many for Photoshop. PS is more polished, but there's not many things you cannot do with GIMP but GIMP just seems more clunky at times especially with interface and window focus issues (for instance, when saving, the cursor doesn't actually default to the section where you actually name the file - you start typing and the type goes into a unseen box which I still haven't figured out the purpose of yet). Also the way GIMP handles text is just poor.
Im using Adobe more than 15y for work. Very good and professional tutorial, thanks. Adobe will fade over time because of its rental policy and its dependence of windows. Im doing because of that a fresh start with Linux Ubuntu plus gimp, inkscape and scribus.
If you're a part of a corporate which relies on product delivery at a deadline, then the Adobe Suite of products is one of the best there is. However, for freelance workflows, open source tools like GIMP, Audacity, KDENLIVE, etc can serve the purpose just as well for most use cases.
9:15 One important point about GEGL is that it allows GIMP to support 16- and 32-bit-deep pixel components across all its pixel manipulations. Photoshop has a bit of trouble with this.
Hey Dave, that was a great video. Thanks for all the info you put together, also great video production and presentation. God Bless you and your family always! 🙂🙏
I hate gimp 🤣my teacher made me us it but it randomly changed the colour of the pencil or deleted all my work and i tried everything and it didnt go back
Thanks a lot! I tried Gimp around 2000 - and it looked all but simple to me. Some years later there was even a project calles Gimpshop to make the look-and-feel of Gimp similar to Photoshop... Because Gimp was so complicated to use. So I was quite surprised to hear from you, that nowadays Gimp has the advantage of being easier to use. Thanks, I'll try it again!
Gimp has not changed. The only big UI change was they added single window mode which puts all the docks on the sides of the window, added tool groups so there's less tool buttons, and they changed the theme a bit to look nicer. It is, and always has been, a considerably simpler UI than photoshop.
The only thing I've needed CMYK mode for in Photoshop is to convert text to K-only overprinted Black ink so it's not mixed ink on output. For photos, leaving them RGB is usually best as this keeps the widest gamut so it only converts to the final CMYK used by the printer and not some smaller intermediate profile that may reduce total colors. I have also used spot ink colors in Photoshop I.e for metallic inks, duotones, and special coatings but this is pretty rare.
When cropping to a given size (ie. wallpaper) in Photoshop, I can "save" the rectangle size. In Gimp, I end up re-entering the dimensions every time. So, as a beginner, Gimp is useable - but ye gods it can be annoying. The temptation to run my copy of Photoshop CS6 in a virtual machine is strong...
Im a complete noob when it comes to advanced photoediting. Ive had GIMP sitting dormant on my pc for months. One day i got bored so i tried my hand with the help of few startup tutorials. Within a week my retouching skills were beyond my wildest dreams and i barely even touched the surface! Highly recommend for beginners
13:31 That happens even if you work in CMYK in Photoshop. CMYK is like that-you can’t even get the inks to look the same from one print run to the other. (Think about why it has to be “CMYK”, and not just “CMY”.) That’s why CMYK is best left to the print shop folks who are trained to cope with all those quirks. Your attempts at working CMYK are more likely hindering than helping. Consider that I can take my RGB files to a laser printer bureau in town and get nice prints straight off, no need to mess around with CMYK. Why shouldn’t offset print shops do the same?
The main thing is to work in a colour gamut that has the head room for the bit depth to preserve colour information. sRGB is to small for good quality photographic printing. AdobeRGB or ProPhotoRGB have much larger information space to allow for great results. sRGB is like an 8bit colour monitor vs the other 2 being like 10 to 12bit HDR Monitors. The other 2 colour spaces also well cover the colour gamut of CMYK.
Bit depth is something that Photoshop lacks. It has limited support for 16-bit pixel components, and none at all for 32-bit components or floating point. GIMP, on the other hand, can handle it all.
So much misinformation in the comment section. The sRGB color space fully encompases cmyk by a more than healthy margin. Also, I don't understand why that is being brought up in the first place, both GIMP and Photoshop support editing in much larger color spaces than sRGB.
Free programs feel much better than using paid programs, even if they have some less functionality. This literally affects my production, and I've seen others do the same. It literally cost me a lot to sculpt in Zbrush, its free version "Mini" came out, and I automatically felt that it handled the free tool much better than the paid one. Also with Blender, Krita, Freecad, Photopea. Seeing that this not only happens to me, but it happens to others, it makes me believe that spiritual things are real, even if they cannot be measured, if they can be perceived. God is real, like sin, although this sounds ridiculous or funny to some, it is real.
Photoshop is one of those programs that have become far too complex for a casual user. At the same time every new release seem to contain one or two must-have features, making it hard to avoid upgrading.
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Como siempre, un fantástico video. Aunque me gustaría que estuviese subtitulado en español 🙏.
I do level design on some games and I enjoy using GIMP to create some relatively good quality textures. I can imagine I could do better on photoshop but I’m so use to GIMP and great at it that I never bother with photoshop.
Adobe has random junk running in my background even when I haven't launched the software in weeks! I disabled the only 1 toggle for start up in the task manager. What gives?
While i can agree that Gimp is the best FREE alternative to PS, it is now only the second best alternative overall. I migrated to Affinity Photo and it is a spetacular software with a much better interface and a few more tricks than Gimp. The free alternative stood still without advancing for too much time and simply was left behind now. But it seems to be back on tracks. I just don't think that it is on pair to Affinity's alternative.
stood still without advancing for too much time and simply was left behind now you should read @Karim Hosein comment to figure out why it had it slowdown in progress. i dont know about affinity, if it support 32 bit channels etc, i never used it, i dont have an windows/mac so you will have to reply me on that.
Yes! Affinity Photo is a better program, to me, than Gimp. And certainly much less expensive than PS. Affinity Photo is a powerful program with a lot of advanced features and just much easier to use than PS.
@@igorgiuseppe1862 Affinity has a full 32 bit workflow. You can actually leave the image 32 bit and use all the tools. Unlike Photoshop where most of the tools only work in 8/16bit.
Great comparison video. Yes, PS is overall a better and more powerful program IF you can afford it and you take the time to learn it and you need to actually use all of the features. However, most people do not need all of the features of PS (even some professionals) and most certainly certainly do not want to pay what PS cost. Gimp is powerful, no doubt about that and it is FREE! FREE people. On a side note I have learned a lot from you but I am surprised there is not another program that you use and that program is Affinity Photo. AF is not free, but only cost a ONE TIME price of $49. It is a very powerful program with a lot of features and I like AF more than I like Gimp. It would be interesting to see you do some comparisons on AF and Gimp, as long as you have good experience with AF.
@@a0flj0 The thing is, I didn't know how to use Photoshop just a few months ago. If you invest just a week on Photoshop and learning stuff you'll know how to do edits. But, in GIMP, its bad UI and non-intuitiviness makes it harder for you to learn. Plus, Adobe makes in-app tutorials so you can learn how to do basic adjustments and how to do the basics. Photoshop is wayyy easier than GIMP for sure.
@@yxzis5348 That's subjective, I found gimp very user friendly. But if you live and breathe photoshop, there is a plugin for gimp that makes the UI almost identical to photoshop.
@@CounterFlow64 Honestly, after using GIMP for a few minutes, I find it to be much harder. It's subjective though - it really matters how you learn basically.
Here’s the best comparison PS VS GIMP.. PS ..240 per year.. u don’t even own the program.. vs FREE GIMP… install plug-in dark table and rawtherapee .. a total clone of PS ..err.. close to it I mean
The biggest issue with Gimp (and open source projects in general) is that useful features can change on a single programmers whim and if you and others don't like the changes you can usually go "fork" yourself, as in: use the source to maintain your own copy. Of course you don't have to upgrade, but sometimes you do. Which can result in quite a few issues.
I don't see how having the option to maintain your own fork is an issue. The exact same thing can happen in Photoshop or other closed source programs and your only option is "deal with it".
@@gamechannel1271 "go build your own then" is no more of an "option" than "just deal with it". It's like telling someone to leave the country if they don't like the current administration.
I am a developer who has taken quite an interest in graphics design lately and I want to learn more. I was thinking about learning Photoshop, where I live the cost of Photoshop is huge due to our currency having a lot less value than the dollar (1 USD is equivalent to 2230 Tshs). Legal Photoshop is not an option for me, using pirated version isn't as well due to problems that may come with it. I am convinced that GIMP will be the best option for me. Just found this channel right now and subscribed, I look forward to starting my new journey as a designer.
@@supersaiyanbread2063 nah nah nah. One computer, 3 hardrives, One drive has OSx, one has a Linux distro, and one has Windows. why not all of them? Take that!
I feel like none of the weaknesses of photoshop are quite valid… Yes it’s expensive, it’s complex and requires a decent system. But at the end of the day, it’s really meant for professionals. In my opinion it would be weird if any of these points weren’t the case.
