PHP doesn't suck (anymore) 

Oh it gets worse. I have an entire page on my site that ranks the Fast and Furious movies. aaronfrancis.com/lists

@@aarondfrancis it makes sense that you make videos on php AND have a list like that.

@@MrNedinator two awesome things!

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@@aarondfrancis, you are truly gigachad! Continue doing what you love!

Thank you so much!

when someone claims that something is not dead, then it definitely is. otherwise no need in such statements

you are not dead @@guai9632

Python is not dead.@@guai9632

@@guai9632 >70% of web, dead sure

same here, hail Go :3 even minor projects i use Go XD

hey go devs, may I ask what do you use go on your daily basis@@kokizzu

​@@kokizzuyou guys tried sveltekit?

Work has pushed me from php to go... Haven't worked much with go, but so far I think... php is light years better for web dev, and likely in general. Jesus Christ no ternary... useless vars and statements FTW... what a load of bs....

@@morphles If you ever worked in a big team you would have learned to hate ternaries. Just keep the code readable.

Well, js and react suck as much as PHP does

​@kwinso I avoid JS like the plague. Unfortunately JS is the web's programming language but if I can do it without Javascript, I'll do it without Javascript

@@kwinso What doesn't suck in your opinion (for back-end web development)?

​@@AprendaWebDevRust or Go

I have used PHP. I had to make my own PHP framework to make the language remotely usable. It fucking sucks. The only usable thing about PHP is that it’s Turing complete, but hey so is brainfuck.

leave it. learn ruby with rails (full stack mvc), sorbet (statical types) and hotwire (SPAs, animations etc.), or elixir with phoenix (also full stack mvc) and liveview (SPAs...). laravel has something similar btw, livewire for SPAs. javascript and node have chaotic ecosystem, in time dependencies grow into unmanagable and unreliable mess. also, react has insane update rates. both problems will result in burnout. aside from javascript being javascript. Learn serious framework written in well designed language. The 3 i have mentioned are fullstack, meaning that you can use them to build frontend and backend, APIs, CMSs, SPAs and so on. With wasm the possibilities are endless. And if you want to have knowledge about client-side apps, learn Angular - stable, mature, consistent. And there are 2 version for different usages. One written in Typescript, the other in Dart. oh, and do not be a fullstack at work. You will have 2 times more responsibilities than front or backend dev. If front-end -> Angular, Dart, maybe Flutter and Unity if you want mobile apps, games, interactive movies. If backend -> Rails, Phoenix (the advantage is concurrency/parralelism and functional, not object-oriented paradigm, contrary to the rest options) or Laravel (or Symfony). That is, if you want to stick with web development. If operating systems and desktop apps would be more interesting -> C and Rust, maybe Zig but start with Nim, Crystal or Go to be comfortable with compiled languages and different memory management methods and garbage collection styles. If big data, machine learning, computer science and AI -> Python, Julia, Matlab, R and Ocaml. Python and Julia are the easiest, Ocaml is as difficult as Rust. Do not touch the JVM ecosystem, it is a mess comparable to node case.

And it for the most part is still worse that php

To me who started on PHP around 2012 and continued using it until around 2017 and moved to React it seems that PHP of today is also finding ways of reinventing JavaScript, which I don't see as a bad thing. We learn and we grow collectively from each other and somewhere around year 2100 we'll have one language to rule them all.... but to my experience it will end up competing with every other language and these wars will continue. :D

Because it is, just in a bad way 😅

PHP and Turbo is all you need for most use cases.

Had to do it to 'em

* thdxr enters the chat *

Which language should we use in this case? What do you think guys.... Python? I don't think so...

@@bgeneto if you're hitting 50k plus it's time to roll some qbasic

​@@bgenetosomething compiled maybe

Honestly we owe the PHP team a lot for continuing to adapt

if you use PHP and talk of speed, you are in wrong application area :D also, xeons and memory these days are cheap, add as many cores as needed. 2004 PHP was struggling, not anymore.

All of this new unique feature that new PHP has now, C# had in 2008

True, many of them. But PHP started as a scripting language to create dynamic web pages. It was initially developed by Rasmus Lerdorf in 1993. Rasmus was not an expert in compiler design. C#, instead, has been designed by Anders Hejlsberg, who created Turbo Pascal, Delphi, and then eventually moved in Microsoft when he first built a Java compiler, and then he made C#, and most recently Typescript. Hejlsberg is one of the most influent compiler designer. That why C# used to be so much better.@@nikolaslijepcevic

Dude! C# had a lot of positive changes over the same time. I'm not sure if you got the better deal or not.

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yes, we moved from "some" framework to php with our 1M uniq per mo, and hardware cost lowers x3

I'm coming from the Java world and started learning PHP for a future personal side gig, and after reading about PHP 7 and 8, I'm excited about it. I chose PHP over NodeJS because I didn't want to deal with NPM hell.

thats why people who criticize PHP are so damn annoying, they are doing a disservice to everyone and they are just misinformed.

Sorry. The bad things are still there. But you'll never run out of job options. NEVER.

Almost every language has bad things in it. But PHP is the only programming language designed specifically for web backends; it's a great fit for the task.

@@neptronix I'm pretty sure sending JSON and dealing with non-get and non-post methods are a pain. I don't think PHP is designed for anything other than server side rendered HTML

@@pixelsam123 it sounds like could understand PHP a little better. PHP can handle JSON extremely well and even has an optional SIMD accelerated library for it. It can certainly deal with non-post methods, we use them. And yes, it excels at and was originally designed around sending hypertext through the hypertext transmission protocol. It does the above better than any other language i've seen.. and the reason should be obvious, it was designed for web backends from the start.. hypertext is even in the name.. :)

Thanks!

Everything works together for the good 😂 ❤️

It's me! You made it! 🫡

Or just use roadrunner if your framework uses psr request/response objects

This man knows his stuff.

@mabdullahsari Says the very man who introduced me to FCC's!

I want to do one on composer only at some point. It's so so good

​@@aarondfrancisDefinitely on composer, Its d d d best

😂 remember when PHP 4 slowly made it to virtual hosting machines and broke everything so you had to rename files .php3 for them to be ran through the php3 interpreter 😅

XAMPP & WAMP

@@nimmneun yeah I remember it well, there were a few episodes like that through the years but each one brought more understanding of the architecture, I'm happy it taught so much

@@coldestbeer LEMP/LAMP stacks mainly but I do have a VM with XAMPP that I use sometimes

@@74Gee I'm talking about the old days when I'd use xamp & wamp. Today its lamp.

Interesting question... I'll noodle on it!

Rest assured no one has ever touched goto operator 😂

Or eval for that matter… not any time recently

Gone entirely or indeed so rarely used that they might actually be gone: non-numeric strings comparing equal to 0, eval, register_globals, magic quotes, open_basedir, a lot of the headaches with different character encodings (UTF-8 is now the [sane] default everywhere), the mysql extension (all mysqli now), the "each" function (the foreach construct makes much more sense)

It really is a slow process to get things removed from the language, as that will usually prevent someone from just upgrading. However, there was a big game changer: Composer dependency manager.

A very good point indeed. Forgot about list

example please

$info = array('coffee', 'brown', 'caffeine'); // Listing all the variables list($drink, $color, $power) = $info; echo "$drink is $color and $power makes it special. ";@@mibrahim4245

@@mibrahim4245 $array = [1, 2, 3]; list($first, $second) = $array; var_dump($first, $second); //int(1), int(2)

True, but list is fussy. You can only use it with indexed arrays, and you don't have much control over which elements to extract. List: $array = [10, 20, 30]; list($foo, $bar, $cat) = $array; echo $foo; // Outputs: 10 echo $bar; // Outputs: 20 echo $cat; // Outputs: 30 Destructuring: $array = ['a' => 10, 'b' => 20, 'c' => 30]; ['c' => $foo, 'b' => $bar] = $array; echo $foo; // Outputs: 30 echo $bar; // Outputs: 20

one decisive factor is the ecosystem: laravel symfony and apiplatform... very few (if any ?) backend oriented languages have such a strong ecosystem when it comes to productivity, 8.2 + those tools = the best backend developer experience out there

@@bilp_bloup_bot I'm not an expert at web app backend development so bear this in mind when you respond: what's your opinion about Python and its related "ecosystem" with respect to backend development experience? Isn't it efficient/straightforward/mature enough?

Gah that's so encouraging. Thank you

Typescript is still JavaScript @ runtime 🤮

Considering that 80% of all websites run on PHP, I'd say that PHP is the most relevant of all. The RU-vid influencer bubble gives a skewed perception of reality. In the real world, PHP is king.

Python is slow as shit as an application language, Koatlin/Java is proprietary and expensive to run and TypeScript is not even a language. JS is indispensable but a mess of a language.

@@mrk131324 openjdk is free and not proprietary

PHP is 3x faster than Python now

If you ask contextless question like „which language is the fastest?” The answer will never be one of the popular languages (zig is the fastest language, Lua the fastest scripting language). Which language is most performant for handling web requests? Elixir/Erlang. What matters much more is the landscape and infrastructure around that language. Here PHP is King in the web application environment, no other language can compete. And nowadays PHP outperforms all other big name scripting languages (except Node).

PHP is dead walking

even fortran and algol is not completely dead. they just aren't as alive as they used to be. so is php

I want to be a positive force for PHP. Thank you for saying that. ❤️

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy them. I'm certainly going to try to do them more frequently

​@@aarondfrancisso nice that you followed through 🎉 100k subs this year gogogooo 🎉

Isn’t that like 2 requests per second?

@@dhkatz_ no, it‘s up to 50 per second

Well problem is there is no job in our country for PHP developers .. well there are some jobs but those jobs are about deprecated code in PHP or moving PHP into some reasonable codebases which are written in .. Java, C# or Python. So yeah PHP is dying .. even my university does not teach PHP anymore.

The existence of swoole indicates that there's something lacking in the language.

Yeah. I have a side projects where Google decided to send me ~500k additional real users over a couple of days (they suddenly added >100k pages to the Google index) with millions of requests. My little server for that costs less than 50 USD per month and wasn't disturbed at all. Just proper modern code with PHP 8.2 and it ruuunnnns.

Pretty good point, probably true

The problem is going to be repeated after the 7 years for the application built with new Language too. So it’s not the language which is a problem but the culture of the company is.

The best part is that is all vanilla / native. no need external tools ;(

It took so long to get enums. That was a glaring problem with PHP for years.

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Thanks Tony! ❤️

Thank you! I was proud of that one 🤓

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It's me! Hi! Thanks for the kind words

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