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Physics 24 Heat Transfer: Conduction (3 of 34) Junction Temperature 

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@christopherfabri7367
@christopherfabri7367 4 года назад
The equation is valid during steady state or equilibrium conditions or instantaneously valid under non-equilibrium conditions. The way to look at this is to focus on the boundary between the two materials that are responsible for the conductive heat transfer. Looking at the boundary itself between the two materials and assuming the hotter bath is on the left side, the equilibrium or steady state condition means that the heat transfer coming from the left side across the boundary must match the amount of heat received on the right side of the boundary. This is to be expected - the head transfer across the boundary is steady. This will only be true under equilibrium conditions (or instantaneously otherwise) and the temperature of the conductive material will (at steady state) be constant. Prior to equilibrium and steady state, the conductive material's temperature will rise... Under equilibrium conditions, the heat bath on the left is at a steady temperature T1 and transfers heat via conduction across the connecting material to the heat bath on the right, which is itself at a steady temperature T3. The conductive material, under steady state reaches a temperature between the hot bath at T1 and the cold batch at T3. Under these conditions, all temperatures are steady and heat transfer is steady. T1>T2>T3. This model also assumes that the source of heat is 'infinite' eg that the hot bath is not cooling down over time as heat is transferred out of it or that this transfer is small relative to the size of the bath and hence can be ignored - if the hot bath cannot be treated as infinite, then, as heat is transferred out of it, the hot bath will cool down and all three materials - left bath, conducting connective material, and right bath, will all hit a fixed, final temperature.
@ahmedal-ebrashy3691
@ahmedal-ebrashy3691 Год назад
Stupid question I have, how did we know that the heat transfer at the junction temperature is equal to each other? Thank you very much
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen Год назад
It is similar to water flowing through a hose. If you pick any point inside the hose (call it a junctions), the amount of water flowing into that point must equal the amount of water leaving that point. Or think of an intersection. The amount of cars entering the intersection must equal the amount of cars leaving the junction
@stephanosphilippou1300
@stephanosphilippou1300 7 лет назад
I'd first like to say thanks for all your series they are amazing. I understood how you solved it , and everything calculation wise . However i cannot understand get one thing straight. I can imagine two metals with metal rods of same diameter sticking out from each other. I would imagine that at the instant of them being connected the temperature at the contact would initially be split into 100 C and 0 C and the would slowly change its temperature to reach an equilibrium value as a function of time depending on the rate of Q. I don't understand which part is 95 C and what metal this is , at which instant of time Thanks in advance
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 7 лет назад
We consider the steady state situation. After the temperatures have been allowed to settle, the flow of heat will be as described in the problem.
@yanchaoliu834
@yanchaoliu834 6 лет назад
Thanks for your great video, it is really very helpful for me ! do you have any example which is combine the conduction and convection together? I have a heat power like 5W on one left face of a rectangle block, I want to know the temperature distribution along the block after I put the heat power with the consideration of both convection and conduction, can you give me some suggestion on how to calculate it? Thanks!
@krillansavillan
@krillansavillan 9 лет назад
this series is awesome
@manuboker1
@manuboker1 7 месяцев назад
Thanks. awesome lectures!
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 7 месяцев назад
Thank you.
@schrodingersgunna6390
@schrodingersgunna6390 3 месяца назад
isnt ∆T supposed to be Tf - Ti? if so, then 100°c is the initial temperature of the copper to the junction(that has the final temperature) and the ∆T in Copper must be = (T - 100)?
@NotLegato
@NotLegato 6 лет назад
so, just to clarify, this setup is such that neither of the sides (100C and 0C) ever change temperatures, so each point on the pipe will find an "equilibrium" of a certain temperature they will forever stay at?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 6 лет назад
That is correct. The end points in this example remain at the specified temperatures.
@mmuu1874
@mmuu1874 8 лет назад
كفووو الذيب nice , awesome
@wordsareuneccesary
@wordsareuneccesary 7 месяцев назад
Hi why isn’t it T final minus T initial in the equations on both sides ? For one you did T final minus T initial but for the other side you did it the opposite way.
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 7 месяцев назад
We only need the difference in temperature.
@shelakaur9718
@shelakaur9718 3 года назад
Youre a life saver
@sana4954
@sana4954 8 лет назад
I don't understand why did you inverse the expression of delta T, I've been told that it's aqual T final-T initial which means (T-100) and (0-T) not what you wrote. So could please clarify that part for me Sir. And thanks for your efforts.
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 8 лет назад
We are just looking for the magnitude of the temperature difference. Since we already know where the hot side is and where the cold side is, we don't have to worry about the sign of the delta T, just the magnitude.
@sana4954
@sana4954 8 лет назад
Got it , thanks for the respond Sir.
@Giacomino989898
@Giacomino989898 4 года назад
Thanks for the video! Fourier's law says dQ = -k * (dT/dL) * dA * dT * dt. So where's the minus for k?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 4 года назад
The negative is used to relate the direction of flow to the positive or negative change in the temperature. Since we know that the heat flows from the hot reservoir to the cold reservoir, and we take the delta T as a magnitude, we don't need the negative sign.
@Giacomino989898
@Giacomino989898 4 года назад
@@MichelvanBiezen thanks for answering! :) So dQ/dt will always be positive if I've well understood, won't it?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 4 года назад
dQ/dt is always positive when we consider heat flowing from hot to cold.
@oneinabillion654
@oneinabillion654 3 года назад
Hi, you said "of course rate of heat transfer is same" even at the material's junction. May I know why or which playlist to refer to?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 3 года назад
It is like a water hose. For every drop of water added on one side, one drop will come out on the other side. And throughout the hose 1 drop will be moving along the hose. The same thing happens to current on a wire.
@oneinabillion654
@oneinabillion654 3 года назад
@@MichelvanBiezen Ahh I understand. U also explained in video 14 that it can act like a resistance in parellel! Amazing stuff!
@jeremymechen9793
@jeremymechen9793 5 лет назад
Amazing thanks
@james-minh-nguyen1062
@james-minh-nguyen1062 8 лет назад
I have the same physics problem but this time the 2 temperatures of both the boiling water and the cold water are missing, the question didn't have the length for the L2 either, so there are 3 missing variables.I was told to find out the heat flow to the copper section which equal to the heat flow to the iron section, which finally equal to the heat flowing to the ice water. Please help!
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 8 лет назад
There is probably some other information given. If you write out the problem, I may be able to look at it.
@james-minh-nguyen1062
@james-minh-nguyen1062 7 лет назад
A long rod, insulated to prevent heat loss along its sides, is in perfect thermal contact with boiling water (at atmospheric pressure) at one end and with an ice-water mixture at the other. The rod consists of a 1.00m section of copper (with one end in the boiling water) joined end-to-end to a length L2 of steel (with one end in the ice water). Both sections of the rod have cross-sectional areas of 4.00 cm2. The temperature of the copper-steel junction is 65.0∘C after a steady state has been reached. Assume that the thermal conductivities of copper and steel are given by kcopper=385Wm⋅K and ksteel=50.2Wm⋅K.
@james-minh-nguyen1062
@james-minh-nguyen1062 7 лет назад
The question asked for the amount of heat per second H (=QΔt) flows from the boiling water to the ice-water mixture? and how long id L2 (steel section)?
@louagduyeng6993
@louagduyeng6993 6 лет назад
Hi there michel, is it possible to solve if i have 2 junctions for example a steel rod between copper and iron
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 6 лет назад
Yes, it would be possible. We may want to do an example of that.
@socialistguerrilla773
@socialistguerrilla773 7 лет назад
this doesnt make sense...how does the material NOT affect the rate of heat flow? in the previous video you said that depending on the material and (k) rate of heat is faster/slower respectively
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 7 лет назад
I don't quite understand your question since heat flow IS affected by the material. Both coefficients of heat conductivity of the 2 materials are defined and used in the problem.
@socialistguerrilla773
@socialistguerrilla773 7 лет назад
sorry , I meant how can dq/dt be equal for both materials , since for example Copper has better heat conductivity than Iron (I think) thus dq/dt would be bigger while the heat was moving on the copper part , no?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 7 лет назад
Ah now I understand the question. It is like a pipe carrying water. The amount of water flowing through a pipe remains constant even when the diameter of the pipe changes (the velocity changes to accomplish that). The same can be said about heat flow. (You cannot have more heat flowing in than flowing out of a section of conductor).
@socialistguerrilla773
@socialistguerrilla773 7 лет назад
right but how do we explain this algebraically? like if we divide both dq/dt for the different k of the conductors we dont get 1, since the k constants are different and they wont cancel out. Sorry for being so extensive about this, also thanks for the replies
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 7 лет назад
solve for the equation of each piece separately in terms of dQ/dt. Then set the 2 dQ/dt's equal to each other (because you know they must be the same).
@שלומיבדיחי-נ7ז
@שלומיבדיחי-נ7ז 5 лет назад
how can I find the temperature at some distance x from one of the edges as a function of time, given the initial temperature of the rod, and assuming that the rod is uniform
@Anyounghasayyo
@Anyounghasayyo 4 года назад
Greetings, I don't know if this will get a response, but I have a question. If we had multiple materials (of course with same cross sectional area) of different lengths, would it be possible to equate the following?: (sum of all k's) (delta T) / Length = (sum of other k's) (delta T) / Length ? I would appreciate any response
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 4 года назад
I would start with dQ/dt for 1 = dQ/dt for 2 = dQ/dt for 3 etc. (The amount heat flowing through each section is the same) Provided they are connected in series (not parallel)
@dannymiller504
@dannymiller504 9 лет назад
How would you solve for the temp at the point where the copper meets the hot reservoir?
@mathlover2299
@mathlover2299 2 года назад
It would be 100 C
@syamimiizzati8617
@syamimiizzati8617 6 лет назад
sir, do we need to convert the length from cm to meter?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 6 лет назад
In this case it is not necessary because the units of length cancel out. If you are not sure, it is always better to convert to make sure you don't make any errors.
@MustaphaOuledzid
@MustaphaOuledzid 3 месяца назад
Why didn't you convert L from cm to meter? it should be 397*100/397+0.2= 99.94 °C
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 3 месяца назад
Since we have length in the numerator and in the denominator, they cancel out, so we didn't have to convert. The result in the video is correct.
@markjoshuamercado6736
@markjoshuamercado6736 7 лет назад
sir is that correct ? you didnt convert the lenght in meters ??
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 7 лет назад
Yes, it is correct. We didn't have to convert since we are calculating the ratio of the lengths.
@edws261
@edws261 8 лет назад
k-copper>>k(fer) = ( 397>>80)= .It means conductivity coeff of copper MUCH BIGGER than Fe/iron.-----Cu = very good for heat transfer ( poor for insulation)\
@aryoseno11
@aryoseno11 9 лет назад
Thanks sir...
@niladrichakraborty3795
@niladrichakraborty3795 2 года назад
Good one, but Brightness is less.
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 2 года назад
Yes, our older videos didn't have enough lighting.
@dnpoudel7996
@dnpoudel7996 4 года назад
Why is dq/dt constant ??i.e why same for both???
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 4 года назад
If the hot and cold reservoirs are kept at the same temperature, then the amount of heat flowing through the bar must be constant. You cannot have more heat flow through one part of the bar than the other part of the bar. (where would the extra heat go to?)
@dnpoudel7996
@dnpoudel7996 4 года назад
@@MichelvanBiezen an analogy would help......
@dnpoudel7996
@dnpoudel7996 4 года назад
I sort of assumed billiard balls in this case but still can't get the correct analogy
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 4 года назад
Use a water hose analogy. You can't have more water passing through one part of a hose than another part of a hose.
@dnpoudel7996
@dnpoudel7996 4 года назад
@@MichelvanBiezen Thanks a lot!😀
@swatsfab2559
@swatsfab2559 7 лет назад
nice explanation. thank you sir..
@bebinashanty5545
@bebinashanty5545 6 лет назад
I could not understand one thing that how dt is same for two materials
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 6 лет назад
The same amount of heat that flows through the left side of the path, must be the same as the amount of heat that flows through the right side of the path. (It is similar to the amount of water flowing through a pipe, you cannot have more water flowing through one section and less through another section).
@tyrfing214
@tyrfing214 9 лет назад
i don't understand, why did you cancel out the A? please explain?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 9 лет назад
+Binrio “If You See Kay” Biñan A represents the cross sectional area of the Cu and Fe bars and they are the same for both. (So we divide both sides of the equation by A)
@tyrfing214
@tyrfing214 9 лет назад
+Michel van Biezen ohhh i see. thank you! your videos are really helpful
@JackieFelix
@JackieFelix 9 лет назад
+Binrio “If You See Kay” Biñan hi noob
@tyrfing214
@tyrfing214 9 лет назад
+Jackie Felix i don't pretend i know everything that's why i ask questions. fuck off nerd.
@MPA-IqbalAlzakiLubis
@MPA-IqbalAlzakiLubis 2 года назад
Yes sir
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 2 года назад
Glad you liked it.
@MPA-IqbalAlzakiLubis
@MPA-IqbalAlzakiLubis 2 года назад
Polytechnic students from Indonesia researching what you explained in the video🙏
@marklestermartin3926
@marklestermartin3926 9 лет назад
hmm I think you need to convert cm to m :)
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 9 лет назад
+Mark Lester Martin Since we are dealing with ratios here, there is no need to convert to m. You will get the same answer.
@marklestermartin3926
@marklestermartin3926 9 лет назад
+Michel van Biezen thanks sir :)
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