PHYSICS Comparison | Sims 2 vs Sims 3 vs Sims 4 (Part 1) 

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sims 4: without gameplay

they actually had to sacrifice "minor" stuff like couch physics on sims 3 given the absurd of content we got in other areas so its a plausible excuse.... sims 4 tho is just pure laziness and ambition

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sims 4: a Bug

@@kcznsk The only thing I like about it is the building. I wish ts2/3 had the ability to have doors/windows shiftable and a few other things. Only use ts4 for building, the gameplay is really boring.

Also bed physics and water physics

Yea

But there’s no excuse for 4.

I read a comment about how sims 2 was detail focused, while sims 3 sacrificed details to focus more on the bigger picture. An example would be how in the sims 2 there's an animation for getting inside cars and the car driving off, sims 3 does not have them, but you can drive the car through the open world. I still appreciate sims 3 because you can tell the details were sacrificed instead of not being done out of laziness/cheapness like in the sims 4

They could've definitely done it in 3 too, they probably cut it out because of time constraints.

@@olecal2213 Ang optimization issues. Seriously these tiny details make up a lot of CPU usage. The fact that the game is open world AND all the sims do stuff at the same time instead of one active household at a time? Is TS3 was already laggy, imagine if they added all of those tiny details too. No one would be able to play the game unless their set up is a super computer lmao.

I love the details of TS2, and while I do agree TS3 had to sacrifice for the aspect of an open world, sadly it also scrapped the personality system, chemistry (attraction system), the relationship system, the memory system, and so much more. Don't get me wrong, I do still have fun with TS3, and absolutely am amazed that I can explore nearly every nook and cranny, but it was never optimized properly, ergo one has to have a high end computer with a high end graphics card to run. Not many people realize that TS2 was the first to introduce semi-open worlds in Apartment Life (modders have expanded upon that to entire hoods), without loading screens. I think if TS3 had instead expanded upon the semi-open worlds of TS2, it might have been more optimized (plus working on 64 bit, instead of the 32 bit).

Yeah, I'm actually surprised how smooth pools & swimming is in TS2!

From a game developers perspective, it my have to do with the shader used to display the water in ts4, in ts2 surface shaders were not as complex as they can be now, and usually consisted in one single difuse texture / color + roughness to make the looks of stuff, now however we are using different textures to make up the extra data for normals lightning, reflection, refraction, color,, water murkiness, etc Nowadays water if transparent may use a cameras Z depth texture to emulate depth based effects like refraction and murkiness, , wich is very expensive indeed.

@@RayznGames but it doesnt really matter no one actually cares that much to make games that run more stable smoother. Better art style, actually testing, fixing bugs in packs and the game before release will help.. they dont even care enough the to fix the bugs everyone is complaining about. I wish they had worked on and built a better game during the life span of the sims 4. the sims 3 open world, the sims 2 animations, gameplay etc. and the sims 4 graphics + create a sim + buildbuy along with some overhead with the optimisation and speed for modding and for the billions of dlc's that they eventually will release

@@RayznGames actually sims 2 and sims 4 pools differ only in normal map addition to sims 4 water surface. Might be that but i doubt it. Even a pc from 2010 should be able to run a shader like that. Maybe it's the planar reflections but again, sims 2 pools do those too. Most likely just bad coding on EAs part as it usually is.

The Sims 3 is my favorite! There are some small things that put me off about The Sims 2 (not being able to play it among them), so I stick with The Sims 3. :p

I'm doing a "do everything" challenge in TS3. I only have base game installed right now, and I'm nearly 4 generations deep and still have so much to do

I just love how there's so much content in Sims 3 that you could still find new things to do even after years, meanwhile with Sims 4 you could find everything to do in like a week. Something I also love about Sims 3 is that every DLC comes with lots of hidden features and secrets that aren't shown in wikis and trailers while with Sims 4, everything you see in the trailer is what you get.

​@@Atsuhiko8888 and more often than not, you can see things in the trailers of TS4 that actually don't exist in the game looool

Which mods do you use?

Particle effects? Teach me please! 😅 I mean, wouldn't basic objects adjustements to sims bodies and water & hair movements be considered "physics"? 😮

Semantics, i think CitySims just used the innacurate terms. But i'm sure you both agree on the same thing 😂

To add onto the previous comment tho, even what we consider cape/clothes/hair physics in modern games however is also done in the same method that sims 2 does hair physics, but with more bones and more computations for directions and clipping.

Yeah, none of the games has actual physics, which would be a proper simulation of object A interacting with object B (example: Sim pressing down on couch). Instead the meshes were animated to accommodate the deformation. I mean 😅 Look at the Sim2 lady lean on the couch. The sofa gives way in a spot her weight isn't even bearing down on, while her elbow does, but it doesn't affect anything. They just used the same mesh deform animation as if she was sitting in that spot. One could argue that dynamic bones (Sims2 hair) could be called bone physics, too. As for the pool situation. 🤔 Maybe that's a simulation in Sims2. I'm not sure. But Sims3 and 4 have nothing. The splashing (Sim jumping in, floater or balls thrown in) looks like an animated texture to me. I don't even think those are particle effects/simulations. But to most people, all that is 3D-artist "mumbo-jumbo". What all these things are trying to achieve is simulating real world physics. One way or another. A mesh deform isn't a physics operation in the 3D-artist-world, but it can still simulate how a butt would interact with a couch nonetheless. So... to conclude... Sims2 put in a lot of effort to simulate real world physics (without actually using a physics system to do so). Sims3 omitted a lot of those interactions, but the bed one is more accurate/higher quality (I'm guessing simply due to higher polygon count of the meshes, which means a more accurate deform is possible). And then there is Sims4... Yeah... As I said... Some animated bubble and splash textures in the pool floating around. That's it. It's a "Downgrade" in effort. Yap, those are my two cents. (Sorry for any wonky English. I'm a bit rusty with writing stuff.)

Of course not, it would have been incredibly taxing for the computers at the time, and even today. However the fact that they went into the trouble of adding all those little details within the animations just proves how much passion The Sims 2 development team put into it, and is the reason why it's still the best in my opinion.

I get it with 3. But I don't understand why 4 can't have more water Detail. Esp. Given that it has the scale of TS2 (in terms or simulating things)

@@keit99 I agree they definitely could’ve had more detailed water, at least at this point! They updated water twice with Cottage living and Island Living but neither were really the overhaul they needed. I know a lot of people complained about The Sims 3 being poorly optimized (especially for Mac users) but they sort of over did it with The Sims 4 trying to optimize it. I mean, the game released without pools at all and people were really upset about it! I think they were probably rushed into the game last minute which is why they’re so lackluster.

sims 2 has more sims with actual personality

The sims 3 is better

@@Poptanic i guess, tried to play sims 2 but the loading screens just been hard to play with, with the sims 3 and the amount of content in 4 packs and the open world means i just tend to run out of time to do many stuff in one day and that means its fun

Because it does

Me personally I enjoy the rotational gameplay of sims 2, creating stories for all the sims and not just one household. Also the gameplay is just more spontaneous. Sims 3 is also enjoyable. Sims 4 it feels less of a life sim and more just like a dollhouse I have to be in charge of everything which works for some people but not for me

О, я не соглашусь с вами! В Симс 3 появился открытый мир, а это большой шаг вперёд. В Симс 2 очень не хватает открытого бесшовного мира.

i agree, but technogies are way better right now 2024- 2020 when ts4 came out, i think they could manage ( + ts2 was made in 2000 something so it would be harder to the details in their days )

The fans of sims 4 apparently aren't willing to do that either. They rather spend their day nagging at EA to fix their broken game

me too!!

ouioui

TBH, they chose the worst couch to show as an example. That one has a bizarre shape and is just kinda janky in general. But for most of the couches the dip is much more reasonable

But sad Sims 3 didn't have some of this lol Its just still feels something is missing even with a chunk of content it got