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Piano Tuning Comparison - Equal vs. Young's Temperament (Part 1) 

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Disclaimer:
My “comparison” is not particularly fair, as the piano on the left is a model B, and the one on the right is a model D. So, the two pianos have many differences in sound, in addition to the temperament. It wasn’t my intention at the time to make an actual scientific experiment out of it. Hopefully I can find time to do a more even comparison one of these days with two pianos that are more similar.
Despite those flaws, I still think Well Temperament sounds way better than Equal. Most of the performances on my RU-vid channel (as well as the Frostburg State University RU-vid channel) are using Young’s #1.

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@raffertybradford8286
@raffertybradford8286 Месяц назад
Whatever is on the right is clearly more pure
@filipjandus4537
@filipjandus4537 22 дня назад
I like the left one
@Moja_Ballada
@Moja_Ballada Месяц назад
Oh god listen to those beat rates from Young I temperament, what a sound! I am doing some research based on Young I and beat frequency and hope to get some creative ideas in the future as I was fascinated and blown away by your video and it gave me the motivation to continue doing my pre-PhD research.
@TheJoe13088
@TheJoe13088 Месяц назад
Wonderful, I'm glad you can hear it too. Best wishes for your research - I would love to see the results of your work.
@TheJoe13088
@TheJoe13088 Месяц назад
By the way, pretty much all the piano videos on my channel from 2021 and later use Young #1, if you are looking to hear more of that.
@Moja_Ballada
@Moja_Ballada Месяц назад
It's my pleasure. Thank you for your kind words, it makes me even more motivated to stick with what I'm doing.
@mtsanri
@mtsanri 2 года назад
The way he plays and pedals both pianos at once is very impressive and a bit funny too
@grahambarton1942
@grahambarton1942 2 года назад
I much prefer the piano on the right. It just sounds better and I can’t explain why. I came to that conclusion before reading other comments or the explanation of what the experiment was. So it’s interesting others agree. Great idea. Lovely playing too!
@powermod6772
@powermod6772 6 месяцев назад
Thank you so much! I was wondering some time how Young's temperament sounds in comparison to the equal one. Next time I will tune my piano according to Young.
@DG-ss1gc
@DG-ss1gc Год назад
Now that is what I call a high class manage a trois !
@janetsbrick
@janetsbrick 10 месяцев назад
Hi. I’ve been experimenting with unequal temperaments for about fifteen years and the back to back comparisons like yours can be remarkable. I want to recommend a mostly unknown tuning: the “Jean Jousse” well temperament of 1832 as documented by Jorgensen. I had a fondness for Young and tried a few other documented choices, most of which focused on progressive movement around the circle of 5ths. Jousse doesn’t, and provides very rich tonal contrast while working better with modern works.
@TheJoe13088
@TheJoe13088 10 месяцев назад
Thank you so much for sharing that knowledge - I will certainly look into that.
@georgetaslev7398
@georgetaslev7398 2 года назад
The equal is really dull, without a personality. The well tempered is with long "singing" sustain, it has the colors, warmth and yet strength. My choice too.
@frankborder
@frankborder Год назад
Mendelssohn around 4:50?
@0213juicy
@0213juicy 2 года назад
😎🎹👍
@dodjiegarcia2320
@dodjiegarcia2320 2 года назад
The right sounds great on its own but I think it would be a pain to play other stringed instruments with it in a band setting.
@rafexrafexowski4754
@rafexrafexowski4754 Год назад
You could do it after some practice. There are however no large orchestras really willing to play that way. It's like singing Vicentino's works (renaissance microtonal pieces), practically no one wants to start learning intonation from scratch.
@greggraham4114
@greggraham4114 5 месяцев назад
Bands and especially fretless strings don't play in equal temperament. It would be more appropriate to ask how those groups could play with E.T. keyboards.
@raffertybradford8286
@raffertybradford8286 Месяц назад
1:04 is clear
@pibroch
@pibroch 2 года назад
The piano on the right had a much fuller, more resonant, and more overtly complex, more beautiful sound. Nothing subtle in how different they sounded! [Playback system: usb into Dangerous Convert-2 D/A converter, direct to a pair of Geithain RL906 active monitors] On a side note: through my cheap inbuilt TV speakers the piano on the right often sounded horribly dissonant and shambolic, reminiscent of an out of tune upright piano in a honky tonk scene in an old cowboy movie.
@DG-ss1gc
@DG-ss1gc Год назад
Really would have liked a different mic setup. But he was going for a performance vibe so I get it. A more scientific approach would have been my choice, still feel lucky to have found the video and bravissimo to the pianist.
@mark80mark80
@mark80mark80 Год назад
Which is young? Which one you like more as a pianist?
@TheJoe13088
@TheJoe13088 Год назад
Young's is on the right. I like that one more. See video description.
@mark80mark80
@mark80mark80 Год назад
@@TheJoe13088 thanks for this response. I wonder about the 2nd thomas young temperament. Why chose the 1st over the second? When I look at the charts, the first has more contrasted numbers, the 2nd is more "equal". Is my hypothesis right? Thanks
@TheJoe13088
@TheJoe13088 Год назад
@@mark80mark80 I tried Young's #2 recently, and it seemed pretty similar to #1. I liked the key contrasts in both. I think the difference has more to do with the process than the result. I'll have to do a more scientific experiment sometime.
@mark80mark80
@mark80mark80 Год назад
@@TheJoe13088 what do you imply (mean) by "process"?
@TheJoe13088
@TheJoe13088 Год назад
@@mark80mark80 Math.
@greggraham4114
@greggraham4114 5 месяцев назад
Octaves, unisons, and voicing are not as nice on the left piano, which has nothing to do with temperament. Is the left piano a model B? How worn are the hammers? Seems like an impossible comparison without identical microphone placement and better matching instruments. I suppose you could swap the tunings, keeping everything else unchanged. The right piano sounds beautiful, but I'm not sure temperament is the reason.
@TheJoe13088
@TheJoe13088 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for your discerning comment - you are correct. Had I the opportunity to have two matching pianos, perhaps I would have aimed for a more rigorous and fair comparison. However, I made this video on a whim, and for fun, during my honeymoon phase with Young's Temperament...which I still am love with. The model D piano on the right definitely has many advantages over the B on the left, other than the temperament. Hopefully one of these days I'll find time (and the right pianos) to make a better video, but this is what was available to me at the time. Also, I ended up not using the audio from the digital recorder that is visible in the video, so the audio is from the video, which was taken with my phone from its perch atop a music stand. If you'd like to hear the model B tuned to Young's, there are a couple 2-piano concerts up on my channel that feature the two Steinways together, both tuned to Young #1. Thanks again for listening, and for your comment.
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