Pikmin 2 is just better... 

Made a Couple Mistakes! -I say Pikmin 3 has 18min days on normal, this was a change to Pikmin 3 DX,. OG P3 was still 13. -I say Challenge mode was removed in Pikmin 3, when it was actually just severely limited. First 5 stages were free, 6 was given with an update, and 7-15 were Paid DLC

I think you have a valid point, but if there is ONE thing where I think Pikmin 1 surpasses all other Pikmin games (including 4) is Olimar’s writing. While I don’t condemn the stories and characters introduced in the other games, I still find Olimar’s loneliness in the first game the most compelling. It made him feel like one of the most human characters Nintendo ever made. He’s not a god or a chosen hero, he is a normal person that wants to see his family and is scared of the planet he is in. In a world filled with creatures that are multiple times his size, he knows he is but a feeble tiny thing in comparison. He is interested in the world, but ultimately he is also scared of it. And that kind of thing is not something you see much of in the later entries. Again, I don’t think that Pikmin 2, 3 and 4 have BAD stories or BAD characters, I like them all really. But Pikmin 1’s story just captivated me a lot more.

There's something so uniquely funny about risking your life to collect literal trash. I love Pikmin 2 so much, definitely my favorite one. Imo, I think 2 captains is the sweet spot for number of captains (and Olimar and Louie are easily my favorite captains to play as)

Legit just started pikmin 2 yesterday after finishing pikmin 1. The difference in gameplay quality is staggering between them.

My head canon as to why the Pikmin AI is MUCH better in Pikmin 2 is that Olimar’s influence made them more competent and self sufficient.

The way bomb rocks work in Pikmin 1 is that if you throw one and whistle the Pikmin, they drop the rock. If you dismiss and whistle and they won't drop it. It was a weird design choice that I'm glad they changed. Great video, as well.

I think the only thing in Pikmin 3 I wish was in a previous Pikmin game is the way bridges work. It's more interesting and feels meaningful whereas in 1 and 2 bridges were kind of a hassle to deal with.

Nintendo seems to agree considering Pikmin 4 carries a lot of elements from 2 into it, and it's quickly becoming the best selling Pikmin game of all time

Call me crazy, but I feel Pikmin 1's lack of content and short length are actually make it better. I was thinking about how after you complete the game, it features a scoreboard for how many parts you got in how many days alongside your Pikmin totals, and then it hit me: Pikmin 1 is the perfect blend of classic hi-score style arcade games and modern story based games. Okay, maybe not PERFECT, but the blend is there. It has a leaderboard and keeps tracks of points, but it also has an engaging story in regards to Olimar trying to get back home. The game only takes place along 30 days, and as you and many others say, it doesn't take long to beat (at minimum 6.5 hours if you use every day), so it naturally encourages re-playability. The content of Pikmin 1 is playing the game again and again, memorizing layouts and enemy location while maximizing Pikmin numbers and organization (smth smth dandori) until you can get all 30 pieces in as few days as possible. And I get that's not for everyone. I also feel Pikmin 1 is a bit of lighting in a bottle, and you can't exactly rehash its experience in the same way you could Luigi's Mansion, for a random example. It's probably why the series never had the same kind of day limit like it had, with Pikmin 3's being very generous.

OG Pikmin 3 still had challenge mode levels. the DLC was only the add the last 5 stages to battle enemies and collect treasure (10 extra levels total) still you're right about deluxe being better than OG with those last 10 stages being added in without DLC and all the other improvements + extra content

Some of your arguments are pretty disingenuous... For example, you said while discussing Pikmin 3 Deluxe that Pikmin 2's balancing issues are less of a problem to you since "you can just choose to ignore and not use them". But if that's your logic, why not just ignore and not use lock-on?

I’m gonna try and defend Pikmin 3’s story mode a bit cuz I’ve actually played it a lot, more than the other games as of now. I get that the game is easy but, for me personally, that has encouraged me to try and push myself to do more and more difficult challenges, like a 10 day run or a minimum Pikmin run. To me it feels the most conducive to pushing myself and doing more and more things in a run thanks to both its relative lack of challenge and also the nature of the 3 captain gameplay. Trying to accomplish as much as possible in as short a time if possible with the three captains is about as fun as it gets for Pikmin, and it’s what keeps the story mode fun for me even though now I’ve played Pikmin 1, 2, and now 4 a ton and am all too familiar with how difficult Pikmin can actually be. I know not every player is going to feel pushed to play this way, and also Pikmin 3 was the first one I played so I have some bias there. But I genuinely think that it holds up super well, and I go back and forth between whether or not it or Pikmin 2 is the better game (I think 1 is probably the weakest and 4 is probably the strongest, for whatever that’s worth).

Fruit in Pikmin 3 really shouldn't have been the main collectible. Story-wise, it makes sense, but the only other thing to work toward is the main mission with the Cosmic-Drive Key and Olimar. The fruit is also visible on the map at all times, so even if you were really running out of fruit, you could just spend a single day getting some and risk pretty much nothing. It would be different if there were other collectibles and challenges to bring in some more strategy to the fruit system. The Formidable Oak is my favorite part of Pikmin 3 because it provides meaning to collecting fruit since you can't get any more while there. Unfortunately, it's the only area in the game that does this. If they made more areas like Formidable Oak and had them be pretty much the replacement for caves, just that time passes and a day ending means depleting your rations, it would've made 3 a much better game, in my opinion.

I went through Pikmin 3 without knowing the Charge mechanic existed and I still thought it was easy

One thing I like about P2's caves more than 4's is that you're forced to fight enemies more in tight quarters. in 4 you can kinda just always single an enemy out and take it out no problem. P2 often requires you to either lure an enemy away from the group or deal with more than one at a time. Since I am going to leave out Bitter Sprays, I will have to leave Oatchi, Glow Pikmin and Ice Pikmin out as well to be fair to both sides. Though Bitter Sprays are in much shorter supply if you play well (no farming days) than even Spicy Sprays in 4, let alone your infinite use pikmin or dog.

one thing i really wish 4 had... was rain.... the rainy days in 3 were so good

I was kind of mixed on your previous video on the subject because it felt more like a reaction to Schafrillas’ video and less like a video actually defending Pikmin 2. This one is much better imo and I really enjoyed it! You did a really good job of saying things you did/did not like about 1, 3 and 3 Deluxe, and I think it’s generally just easier to see where you’re coming from in this video. I hope you make a video on 4 sometime as well!

The biggest problem with Pikmin three is that it feels way to linear cause there is always a signal to follow while in one and two after getting to an early point you can go anywhere

While the video is goodand i completly agree with 90%ofthe things said and that Pikmin 2 is simply superior to 1 and 3 by a large margin. The video feels more like bringing down the other games rather than bringing Pikmin 2 up, talking about what other games do wrong rather than what Pikmin 2 does well, great video, not wrong, but definitelly not the best focus

tbh i prefer easy games with good level design over games that mostly rely on cheap difficulty spikes and randomized level design to keep its difficulty, if there is a balance of the two like for example: super meat boy then that would be preferred but elsewise i play games to have fun and to use as an escape from the daily grind, not to break blood vessels as i have to restart a floor for the 15th time because the game spawned a bulbear on top of me and my squad with no warning.

So Pikmin 2 isn't really "better" it's just not "as bad" as every other entry despite you claiming to think they're all great ...smells like cope cause you can't come up with any defense for Pikmin 2 💀

Y’know dude, this video would be a lot more easier of a watch if you toned down on the sarcasm. This is kinda personal, but I don’t like feeling like I’m getting talked down too. But whatever that’s a me problem. For me, I like 1 and 3 more than 2 by a good bit. For 1, while it was short and very buggy at times, it felt like it was still tightly made together. The day system, as well as the way you had to get the parts and the challenge of getting them as quickly as you can felt tense, but rewarding at the same time. And with the backdrop of the entire storyline of Olimar being shipwrecked on PNF-404, it adds a lot to the game I feel. The vibes of 1 are pretty unmatched I’d say. For 3, The game is easy to a bit of a fault, but even then, it’s still very fulfilling to play. It builds off of the two captain system 2 introduced, but makes it SO much better. With 2, while having Louie with Olimar felt good, I noticed it didn’t really enhance multitasking like I thought it would. Because I have to constantly switch between both characters and if I’m not using one, they don’t do anything. That’s not to say it NEVER adds to the gameplay, but I just wind up using Olimar and Louie together much more in the game than separately. The “Go here” command single handedly FIXES that issue. Being able to send one captain somewhere, while doing another thing at the same time felt like what Pikmin 2 was trying to do, but stumbled executing it. And having *another* captain on top of that makes the gameplay much more engaging by virtue of all the multitasking and strategy planning you’re able to do. I always ask the question of “what am I going to do today” when starting a new day in Pikmin and try to plan for that. With Pikmin 3, there’s so many ways you can go about planning a single day. Do you want to send one of your captains off to do one thing, or keep them all together? I can send one captain off to get fruit, have another one boost up my Pikmin numbers, while one makes progress in the story. You see where I’m getting at? Also 3 hits a cord with me for the narrative it has. It was genuinely engaging to follow Alpha Charlie and Brittny in a similar way to Olimar in game 1. It doesn’t totally hit the atmosphere that Pikmin 1 hits, but it gets pretty darn close for me. 2 in comparison to both 1 and 3 feels really iffy too me. I figured having no timelimit at first would make the game more enjoyable for me than 1 (even though I liked that one a lot.) but I just didn’t like a lot of the execution of a lot of the stuff it did. I already mentioned that adding two captains didn’t really add too much in the long run for me. And the Caves are a really neat idea, but personally I’m not that big on random bombs falling on my squad and killing some of my valuable Pikmin because I didn’t notice it. Or a random Spotty Bulbear to screw me over. I know part of Pikmin is preparing for things you that might go wrong, but sometimes you *just* can’t prepare for that stuff. With 1 and 3, when I make mistakes or lose Pikmin, a lot of the time I feel like it’s my fault more often than not compared to a cave in 2. And It’s not like that’s a TOTALLY bad thing. If they did it once or twice, It wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But when it happens so frequently, it feels like a problem. The caves also feel like more of a slog to get through at times. 4 doesn’t always just throw waves of enemies at you. You also get slight puzzle rooms in between, rooms that mix up your progression somewhat. I don’t remember if 2 did that, I’m pretty sure it did a bit, but not to the extent of 4. And with 2 being such a massive game in comparison to 1 and 3, the thought of having to deal with a lot of that for most of the game turns me off somewhat compared to doing another playthrough of 1 and 3. So while 1 and 3 (or at least base 3 I guess), are much shorter, and have much less content than 2, I find them MUCH more easier to get into, and much more enjoyable. (And it helps both are super replayable too.) For me, I really like the “dandori” aspect of Pikmin, and 1 and 3 feels like it gives me options to try and multitask, and finish up everything I want to do in a day before it’s over. 2 in comparison feels like it’s pushing against me to do that with somewhat cheap tricks, weird decisions (and enemies that just downright suck at times too.) This isn’t to say it should be easy. For as much as I like 3, I feel like 1 had a better balance of difficulty and multitasking, where it feels like your more at risk of losing Pikmin, and mistakes are more costly, *BUT*, said mistakes are on me for being too reckless. In 2 it feels like everything can and will go wrong wether I’m careful or not. And it’s not like I hate 2 either. I’m glad 2 managed to get a lot of love from 4 that 3 skimped over in favor of improving 1’s gameplay and making strides of it’s own. (Seriously, a lot of the caves are really cool in 4). I can play 2 pretty fine, but a lot of it just seems really daunting and tiring personally. It’s just not for me. Sorry about the long comment, I just feel like I had a lot to say. (I commend you for reading this far if you did.) For what it’s worth, we can agree all 4 games are really good with their own strengths and weaknesses.

If you think about it, In pikmin 1 olimars ship should be able to refresh his life support While in 2 your company being debt should give you a deadline to repay it before the collectors come in and close the operation down.

2 absolutely nailed the control scheme, swarming >>>>>>>>>>>> charging

The Pikmin 1 GC bridges were straight up broken. I watched so many times as Pikmin would phase through the sides of the bridge, or be deleted from existence when walking under a slope bridge.

basically i feel the same in every way pikmin 1 is just bit clunky here and there pikmin 2 is a chefs kiss i never understood why i didnt like pikmin 3 i just didnt enjoy it as much but it is really good looking and the challenge modes are the best part of 3

Hey, I love your first video on Pikmin 2 and enjoying your Steven Universe series. This one, I find to be lacking. For a video about your love for the second game, it is disappointing that you decided to undermine the others instead of talking about what you liked. It just gives off this negative energy all around when you could as much rephrase all of your argument in a positive manner toward Pikmin 2. You know, strengthen up the game instead of bringing the others down.

Here is a tip for the OG Pikmin! When a Yellow Pikmin is carrying a Bomb Rock, they will drop it when you whistle only AFTER they've been thrown, if they are dismissed, they do not drop it when whistled. For me, this was actually better than in the Switch/New Play version because it meant I could easily call a Yellow Pikmin away from a Bomb Rock when fighting the Emperor Bulblax on no death runs, in the Switch version, I struggled to get my little Yellow dudes to drop their Bombs during the fight, and had to rely on them tossing the bomb into the Bulbax's mouth, making the fight more difficult for me. I've been playing the OG on GC since 2002 though, so it's probably just me growing used to those old and outdated quirks, but I find the Pikmin to be easier to manage on the original when compared to the Switch version. I've personally always been of the opinion that each Pikmin game does something that makes it the best in its own way, so I can't agree with you entirely, though I _do_ agree that 2 is probably my favorite, but here's what I like about each game: Pikmin 1 has the best atmosphere and music, as well as a great motivation to survive on this mysterious alien planet, and is the most replayable for me, learning to beat it as quickly as possible has always been a blast! Pikmin 2 has the most challenging content, and some of my favorite enemies, and the caves all add a significant amount of playtime. I especially love playing it with various mods, such as the Co-op mod with my Brother who's been playing Pikmin with me my whole life! Pikmin 3 has my favorite story of the three, with a stronger sense of pacing and progression than the previous games due mostly to it being linearly structured, each area doesn't focus on exploration, but on opening up the level and building up towards the Boss of that area, and the Bosses are my favorite in the series, it's a little more "Game" feeling than the first two, but I enjoy that for Pikmin 3 at least! I haven't played much of Deluxe, but after playing the other three games, it's time I give this one a second playthrough after not having played it to completion since 2013, but I personally always found the Fruit to be my favorite collectable in the series, even after playing 4 I still feel that way. For me, it's not the items themselves that are important, but the narrative reason behind collecting them, in Pikmin 1, I'm saving myself, in Pikmin 2, I'm just treasure hunting, but in 3: I'm saving a whole planet. I wish the day limit was stricter, having a set day limit until "Koppai Famine" event would have added a much needed sense of urgency, but overall 3 is still one of my favorite games. Pikmin 4 takes the best ideas of the original three games, and builds from their foundation, it sacrifices some difficulty, and I hope a "Hard Mode" gets added in the future, because I personally found it easier than 3, but I did play it just after replaying 2 and haven't played 3 in a few years, so it may just be my faulty memory that makes me feel that way, but either way: Pikmin 4 has an insane amount of content, and will promote many more playthroughs in the coming years, especially once people start challenging themselves with a "No Flarlic/Upgrade" runs, or even a no ridable Oatchi run, there's an endless amount of ways to challenge yourself with this game, and even without them: You still have the Dandori challenges, Olimar's Shipwreck tale, and I can spend hours in the Piklopedia just fighting the enemies and trying different tactics. I'll have to digest it a bit more before deciding if I enjoy it more than 2 or not, but either way, it's a great game!

I like to think that each Pikmin game appeals to a different 'kind' of pikmin player, dependent on what they enjoy from the franchises design choices. Pikmin 1 has a lot of soul and emotion along with (subjectively from me) good balance of gameplay and mechanics with a somewhat threatening (especially to new players) time limit, making Pikmin 1 possibly a favourite from those who enjoy those elements of pressure and emotional weight. Pikmin 2 has extreme difficulty and traps to keep you on your toes and constantly stressed and worried for what's around the corner, and really cool collectables and extras to the game, like the Piklopedia and Treasure Hoard, with plenty of variety for those seeking new challenges (even if it's sometimes a bit unfair) every game, making Pikmin 2 a favourite for people who like those elements of chaos and stress. Pikmin 3 allows for the most intense strategising and speedrunning potential of a more linear Pikmin game, as well as having an addicting mission mode and multiplayer, making it great for people who enjoy the strategy and time management aspect of Pikmin games. Pikmin 4? Tries to balance everything out into a neat balanced Pikmin experience (though it leans a little toward Pikmin 3 imo) making it great for Pikmin fans that like all of these aspects nearly equally. The point of this? I just think that people like the different games for their different goals in what they love the most from Pikmin. 4 is my favourite, but 3 takes a close second for me because I love strategising and challenge potential of the missions and story modes. (thanks for reading my ted... text?)

YES!

1:04 this man likes both the hardest and most unfair game in the series, and the most casual and forgiving one in the series. how truly interesting.

Gotta correct you on something real quick Pikmin 3dx days are 18 minutes long (on normal) Pikmin 3 days are the same as 2s 13 minutes

Pikmin 2 and Pikmin 3 are definitely way better than 1 as a game since they have more options as to what the player would want compared to 1 and also just handle different playstyles that a player could ask for. Though I think Pikmin 2 edges out Pikmin 3 due to the fact that the main story has a different gameplay variety than 3 and that the enemies have a chance to be much more brutal if careless compared to Pikmin 3. Granted I do think that Pikmin 2's story would have lent really well to just have a time limit by the beginning and just remove the time limit entirely once the debt has been paid off letting the player explore at their own pace to find Louie and that the caves just had their own timer like in Challenge Mode while also just removing most of the random jank.

I really like Pikmin 2 and have great memories of it, when I heard that 3 had removed the whole collectibles part, I was so discouraged that I didnt get it Removing treasures and piklopedia was such a downgrade that I knew it wouldnt be the same Pikmin 1, which I didnt play either, felt that it was Pikmin learning to walk, so I thought on skipping it but I might get to it at some point. I was very happy that Pikmin 4 brought back the greatness of treasures and exploration that I have been playing it non-stop, I can agree that is at the same degree as Pikmin 2

I don’t tend to agree with this title, but I think it’s a good game. (I think pikmin 1 & 3 is much better than 2)

Finally!!! A sequel to your video for your defense of Pikmin 2. Pikmin 2 is my favorite because how charming and full of personality. It’s also the most challenging one, right now I’m finishing 4 and I’m liking it a lot. It’s full of character in Pikmin 2!!! One day I will play the switch port since I beat the game 100% on the Wii 2 months ago

idk man, you seem kinda mean

If I remember right, the reason that sometimes yellow Pikmin would only sometimes drop their bomb rocks when whistled is because they do that if you've thrown them with the bomb rock.

you know whats funny? i think pikmin 4 is about as easy as pikmin 3, but the games change in approach makes me enjoy the easiness in 4. pikmin 3 has the juice limit which... it's like the game is trying to have it's cake and eat it too. do you want to be easy or hard? because giving me this limit when the game is THIS easy just feels pointless. the mechanic mays well not exist, passed a certain skill level. pikmin 4 on the other hand is so in your face about dandori. do EVERYTHING fast. blow through shit at mach speed. the game INVITES you to break its kneecaps. it's fun to punch down on pikmin 4's easy bosses, because the game is so set on being efficient and fast. and there's enough content in the game that even if you're blowing through the game quickly, it will still last a decent amount. it rocks.

I don't understand where this idea that pikmin 1 and 2 are hard comes from. all the pikmin games are extremely lenient and easy.

Reasons I don’t like Pikmin 2 -repetitive -not fun Reasons I like Pikmin 3 -story progresses and changes smoothly -bosses feel much more cinematic and fun do to the buildup and order you must beat them in Thank you for reading :)

I can imagine how playing 2 first would make 3 feel like a downgrade. I picture a pikmin 2 fan beating the game and watching the credits roll being like "Okay cool that was an easy campaign but I'm sure there will be a challenging post game" and then it just ends lol

The thumbnail says pikmin 1 and 3 are better while the title says otherwise, i’d say the title is more right than the thumbnail

It would be nice if you talked about Pikmin 2 in your Pikmin 2 video

no.

I like every pikmin game lol but 4 is my favorite now

I played 2 for the first time recently and felt as if it was balanced more around resource management in the pikmin than time management. 1 also had a lot more of this than 3, especially because 3 was so easy and boss corpses give an absurd amount of pikmin. However, replenishing pikmin after significant losses in 2 never felt fun to me, nor did doing an initial lap of each floor of later caves to watch out for bomb traps to prevent sudden significant losses. I see that as two logical extremes; either take heavy precautions, or experience significant losses to unengaging bomb traps. Neither of which are fun. I could be missing something and I did only play the game once, but I really can't think of anything else besides ultra-bitter spray freezing bomb dweevils and/or rocks, if that even works. The resource management is certainly an interesting concept, but 2 didn't do enough to make it engaging to me, and for now i prefer gameplay that's based on time management. I also played 3 first so I have bias. I do think 4 made some steps in the right direction for resource management, but is held back by its lack of overall difficulty.

As a Pikmin fan who only just recently completed Pikmin 1 and is at the final stretch of Pikmin 2(preparing for those three caves in the Wistful Wilds if you know what I mean), I really have to agree on most of your points. It was really annoying to have some of my Pikmin constantly trip and I'm forced to not just periodically stop time to time(like in Pikmin 2 once you unlock the ultra fast boots or when having purple pikmin in your party) but just wait like five seconds while spamming whistle hoping that it'll force the Pikmin to get up faster(to no avail of course). To be fair to Pikmin 1 though, I did find that most of the time loss doesn't really come from Pikmin being obssessed with grass(annoying as that is at times) but mostly just wasting time due to not knowing the locations of the ship parts. So I really do like how it encourages you to learn the areas by heart, which is an element slightly removed from Pikmin 2 due to the day limit not being a thing. But it's whatever. One thing I feel like you didn't mention that Pikmin 2 does way better than Pikmin 1 though is the bosses. Sure they might not compare to the giant cinematic multiphase behemoths that Pikmin 3 seem to have, but compared to the Pikmin 1, it's a huge improvement as I feel like a lot of them are more unique and bring out different aspects of the gameplay. Pikmin 1 only had like two challenging fights and one of them isn't even that hard, just a bit annoying due to their being THREE borrowing snagrets in one location. On the other hand, fights like the Empress Bulbax requires careful maneuvring of the environment while taking care of the babies, but don't spend too long killing them cause she'll just lay more. Or the giant breadbug which fills the environment with electricity hazards forcing you to choose whether or not you want to slowly take out said hazards with yellows, or just gun for the food right away with your limited purple sqaud. And don't even get me started on the Man At Legs which requires you to take cover and try to either draw it out of it's hiding spot by learning it's ai, or just gunning for him, something that was never even been attemped by Pikmin 1, and is a unique gameplay mechanic, something Schrafillas DOESN'T mention at ALL despite being as infamous as the waterwraith. It's not super revolutionary or anything but I feel like a lot of the fights required more thought in that regard than the minimalistic bosses of Pikmin 1. Not to mention Pikmin 2 just has MORE of said fights, which is good cause it makes each and every dungeon feel rewarding to complete. Something that Schrafillas also conveniently failed to mention. "Corners were cut" my ass. Way more enemies, way more setpieces, way more music tracks, way more bosses, way more stuff to collect, with each enemy and treasure having an analytical/comedic breakdown from Olimar with most of the treasures having a unique sales pitch from the ship. It really is a wonderful sequel and I can only hope that Pikmin 4 will live up to the hype when I evantually get to it cause everyone seems to agree that it might be the best one.

I prefer one. Its just personal preferance i like speedrunning so maybe thats why?

17:12 holy moly that's a LOT of damage the rocks do. Pikmin 4 feels more balanced while still keeping rocks capable of high damage (as they should be)

I hate Gatling Groinks! But the game does have blue Olimar soooooooooooo.

New Play Control from what I saw when I played it years ago (I’ve still never beaten the first Pikmin game) is that it does fix quite a few of the original’s glitches/bugs/issues.

Ok but we can all agree that “Hey Pikmin” solos every other title in the series no questions asked

Finally someone says it. Like bro pikmin 2 was peak BECAUSE it was tough and scratched that exploration itch. I play that game so often I know it through and through and still find it a fun challenge. People typically complain bitter spray and purple pikmin make it too easy and I'm just...don't collect as much then? Don't spam sprays or purples? I dunno what to tell you lol. The difficulty made me love it so much. But then 3 came out and I'll be honest the lack of C stick made me out it down as a kid because the games controls felt bad to me personally but then I watched my sister play it and found it...boring. pikmin 4 tho??? Very fun very good. Sure it was painfully easy to me but the story was fun, the controls felt fine even though the C stick mechanic wasn't unlocked until post game and generally I just had a really good time and weep because there's no official giant Oatchi plush that I can worship for being a good boy. But in all pikmin 2 was the best and I'll be honest I hate how easy a lot of old franchises have gotten in the new age. When I was younger if a game was hard you had to get good lmao

pikmin 2 was the first game i EVER played since my brother got a gamecube disc for our wii (since we didnt have a gc) and its my favorite game of all time, I only beat it for the first time a month ago (around like 9 or 10 years of playing) and I still love this game. Pikmin 2 deserves way less hate than I am seeing.

"I would much rather Pikmin 2 push the difficulty too far rather than Pikmin 3 fail to get out of bed" Disregarding the dramatic reach, you can see why other people prefer things the other way around, right? and how by your own admission, engage with a smoother difficulty curve shifting from story mode to challenge mode? I don't feel like engaging with all the points I disagree with because this video just feels like rage bait. While I think some are just wrong, most are valid complaints that are blown way out of proportion (we really need to move past calling developers lazy when a broader amount of content wasn't the focus of the project). After seeing your response to the Schafrillas video its pretty disappointing seeing this video become the result of some petty vindication. I think it would have been way cooler to approach your criticisms of the Pikmin 3 with some nuance while honestly engaging with the counter arguments to deconstruct them. Don't know why you would stoop to the same level of a video you thought was awful.

Personally, I wouldn’t say that any pikmin game is downright bad, since theirs always something you can find in each game that’s unique to it. But pikmin 3 (even though it probably has one of the most intriguing stories in the series with the plasma wraith and umibozo theory), gameplay wise is the only pikmin game that genuinely feels unfinished. People may say pikmin 1 also feels that way but that game has old game jank and is debatably less glitchy as 3. With most of what you said about pikmin 3’s bosses, graphics, and music I agree on. With 2 literally just being an straight upgrade of 1. 4 has an similar amount of quality of 2 in exchange of retconing the plot an bit for Nintendo to kill the umibozo theory. The ranking I’ll give of the 4 would be: 1. P2 2. P4 3. P1 4. P3

Nah Pikmin 2 is by far the worst Pikmin game I envy you liking Pikmin 2 no disrespect but the lack of time management and the overly long level design lacking caves ruin the game for me

Personally think 3 and 4 are way better then 2 but it’s nice to see your opinions

I just beat Pikmin 4 but I’m on the fence and think Pikmin 2 might still be better if not just because all but one of the normal caves in the game are 5 floors are less in Pikmin 4….

One thing about Pikmin 3 people dont seem to mention is the overpowered nature of winged pikmin. Purple Pikmin get a lot of hate, but winged Pikmin are just as broken in my opinion, just for different reasons. Winged Pikmin can sequence break to an absurd degree. pretty much any puzzle involving a ledge is over before it began, any paper bag can be pushed early, and most hazards are useless against their flying nature. The fact that they're infinitely reproducible and come earlier than the blue pikmin do doesnt make it much better (and therefore invalidate the water shortcuts of blues and high throw of the yellows entirely for the most part). Hell, they tried to nerf it in the deluxe port and they STILL couldn't stop their powers. Unfortunately, though, Pikmin 4 kind of goes the Pikmin 3 route with the winged Pikmin in the sense that theyre nerfed to the point where they feel kind of pointless. I feel like they could have easily made them balanced if they just included more spots where you need them (flukeweeds, clipboards, and scornets).

Pikmin 3 is my favourite in the seires, the original not dx, i find dxs changes to the challenge mode makes it really boring All side modes in pikmin 3dx are played in normal difficulty, this IS NOT the same as pikmin 3's default difficulty Normal difficult changes these things for the challenge modes Most enemies have half as much health, and they take a longer time to eat pikmin, pikmin die from elemental hazzards slower, and the captains have more health It makes collect treasures easier, which sucks cause thats my favourite mode Defeat enemies is a joke now cause enemies just instantly die And defeat bosses is just funny I dont find any challenge in 3dx challenge mode, its not hard to get platinum but in original 3, getting platinum is difficult ive found I dont really play pikmin for the adventurous aspect, i play it to play it faster, do things better etc. I dont feel i can do thet in pikmin 2 Pikmin 2 and 4 you cant rewind days, i like being able to do thst cause then i can go wait a minute, i should of done it in this order and that would be way more efficient, I do that a lot in 3, it feels really good to keep practicing a stratergy and then get it perfect, my pikmin 3 day 2 strategy is really satifying to do Pikmin 2 doesnt give me the same kinda joy Also ive had a lot of friends really enjoy 1, and drop 2 at whistful wilds cause that area is very... not fun I like pikmin 2 ive 100%ed it twice and had fun, its just not what im looking for in a pikmin game i guess Rn my opinion is 3 > 4 > 3dx > 1 (wii) > 2 (wii) Ive beaten the gcn version of 1 (PAL) but not 2,

Counter point. Seeing visible shipyards appear on the Dolphins hull is a serotonin IV unlike any other

Og Pikmin 1 AI: Elmer is my favorite food brand Pikmin 4 AI: *Climbs out of oinion proceeds to automatically 100% the area while your character watches from the sidelines.*

My first introduction to Pikmin was Pikmin 3 the original one, and I’m really glad because I feel like if I had played Pikmin 1 or 2 first it would’ve completely put me off due to the difficulty and I think it’s completely valid to have the game be a bit easier because we have to take into account that this was A LOT of peoples first Pikmin game, so having it be on the difficulty of the first two games may have pushed people away who may not now what they’re doing. I will say tho that I wish the stuff they added in Deluxe was in the base game because that just makes more sense, but honestly I think heavier an easier game in the series to start out with may be a good way to go.

Another problem I had with Pikmin 3 was how it had so few enemies return from the previous games

Pikmin 4 is the best game, but I would say 2 is in a close second for me. Yeah there's jank, but it's more endearing than anything to me.

Pikmin 2's main problem was that there was no option to go back to the main menu, meaning that you needed to restart the game, or exit back to the Switch's home screen and exit the game and reboot it, in case if anything out of your own control happened and to not waste time in the main campaign farming for more Pikmin.

Every time someone says that long game = good game I get one step closer to doing unspeakable acts.

In Pikmin 1's defence, the Pikmin being kind of stupid and distractable makes them feel more alive. I wonder if it's at least partially intentional. You often see the same critique for the first Sims games and how likely the Sims are to get themselves killed without your help, but they were designed that way. It's not bad AI.

nah

Fortunately deluxe was my first dive into pikmin 3 because i didnt have a Wii U. I really enjoyed it. And definitely has some of my favorite bosses. But overall, it was really easy and felt way too short. Pikmin 2 was still my favorite. I really enjoy pikmin 4 as well. Although I wish enemies respawned. Hard to say which I liked more, pikmin 4 was a really fun experience, with a lot of content. But pikmin 2 pushed me harder than any of the others. And it felt more rewarding for it.

Pikmin 3 was easily the biggest disappointment for me and the game I easily consider to be the worst in the franchise. Pikmin 2 was such an amazing sequel that expanded upon the formula of the first game in so many areas that I ended up being left starving for a sequel. Yet in spite of the *NINE YEAR WAIT,* this was the best Nintendo could come up with??? A barebones easy as piss game which is so devoid of content that it makes Pikmin 1 look like Breath of the Wild in comparison! The interesting treasures? GONE! The caves? GONE! The large variety of enemies and bosses? GONE! The difficulty? GONE! The Piklopedia? GONE! The challenge mode? GONE! Any amounts of fucks to give? GONE GONE *GONE!* I didn't even bother trying out Pikmin 3 Deluxe because I never want to play that shit again in my life! They had one opportunity to make a good first impression and they blew it spectacularly! Also, anyone that rags on Pikmin 2 while simultaneously saying Pikmin 3 is their favorite game should have their shit opinions tossed onto the trash heap where it belongs!

One thing I vastly prefer in Pikmin 3 over the previous games is the ability to select which type of Pikmin you throw instead of having to disband them and then get the color you want. To me that was just annoying.

i feel like some people like pikmin 2 & 4 better because of all of the content and increased difficulty (not as much for pikmin 4) and all the content (as a 30 hr experience) in them and others prefer the speed and replayability of 1 & 3 (as a 2-3 hr time management challenge) i have all the switch versions and beat all but pikmin2 and i have enjoyed all the games and have replayed 1 & 3 a few times but I personally find pikmin2's caves very frustrating and after playing about half of the pre end game caves i just haven't been very motivated to go back to them and i may not fully agree but i respect your oppinion

Hello… I also like Pikmin 2 :)

Pikmin 2 is easily my favorite but I find myself having a blast replaying Pikmin 3 the main appeal to me is beating it as fast as possible. 3 captains and go here lead for insane Dandori. I’d put it about even with 4.

Ah finally, someone with taste! Pikmin 2 is the best until now 4 is pretty amazing but I’m not 100% done yet.

Schafrillas living rent free in bros head, wtf

Pikmin 2 is my favourite before pikmin 4 is better

I’ve only played Pikmin 2 and it has made me say some gamer words that I don’t usually say

Personally i think Pikmin 3 is the best game, having played Pikmin 2. What i like about pikmin 3 is the polish, all the quality of life improvements make the game a lot smoother to play, and nothing ever feels unfair, unlike in Pikmin 2. Additionally, i think Pikmin 3 does multitasking way better. I always felt pressured to have both captains with me at all times in Pikmin 2, because there wasnt an easy way to control both captains at the same time. In pikmin 3, this was fixed with the "Go Here" function. In pikmin 2, it takes me several in game days to collect all of the treasures on the surface of an area. In pikmin 3, i can collect all of the treasures in an area in one day. Also, Pikmin 3 Deluxe is the superior version, the challenge mode in P3D was much better than the challenge mode of Pikmin 2 IMO. On the wii U, its kinda meh.

i dont know why, but all the pikmin games make me feel aggressively, weirdly happy, except pikmin 2. theres just something about it for me that just doesn't click

The complete antithesis to Schaffrilas' video.

I think I made a mistake starting with Pikmin 4. I wanna play at least 2 and 3 but the lack of qol is making me very hesitant. Looking forward for your thoughts on Pikmin 4 though

Hard disagree I much prefer the game play style of 1 and 3 to me 3 is the best in the series. 2 is the worst.

id be curious to hear your thoughts on pikmin 4 considering that game plays itself even more so than pikmin 3

tbh in pikmin 3’s wii u section, you were talking about how easy it is to lock on to enemies, but it really isnt as easy as deluxe’s. it takes a bit to actually lock on and then charge.

Pikmin 2 is Goated, it's still number 1

Man I love all the Pikmin games so much it’s pretty hard to pick a favorite I think they’re all pretty solid. Although 4 might be the one to take that spot. However I believe Yellow Pikmin “randomly” blowing up your squad is factually wrong? Correct me if I’m wrong but what triggers their violent tendencies is all up to the button inputs meaning you would need to pay attention. Whether that is a mechanic you like or not is fine, but I’m pretty sure “random” explosions aren’t a thing. Personally to an extent I actually like the Pikmin plucking grass, and tripping, and running off to solo an enemy that got too close, and all those little quirks. It’s true and important that the pikmin are made to feel like an extension to the player’s capabilities, but the Pikmin are also living, breathing, thinking creatures. They can be clumsy, they can be lazy, they like to play and all that stuff, so I find it really charming when they get peckish for some nectar and start ripping apart the grass. It’s a reminder that they aren’t mindless drones or tools and gets me more invested when they inevitably die. I don’t know I guess that’s all Everyone should play Hey! Pikmin because I also enjoyed that game a lot.

I am actually glad that they removed the caves from Pikmin 3. If it had caves, we would have a situation similar to Pikmin 4, where they would run out of unique ideas, copy ideas from Pikmin 2, make the caves laughably easy, and remove the resources management element. And, in Pikmin 3’s case, they wanted to design the game more like Pikmin 1, so I understand this design, and happy that they did a good job and stuck with it.

I loved Pikmin 1, but I just did not enjoy the caves in 2. I felt too constrained in my movement and maneuvering my Pikmin, and there was a particular water floor of some cave that I finally just gave up on and quit the game after losing 50 Pikmin 9 floor down to what felt like tiny mistakes. I liked the rest of 2, but 1 always had my heart far more. I still need to play 3 Deluxe and 4 so no thoughts there, but I will list some thoughts on 1 below: • Having played 1 for years and not having a ton of experience with the other games, I am just not bothered by the jank. I know how Pikmin react and behave, and they rarely do anything that I didn't want them to in a way that doesn't feel like my own fault. I always nudge bomb rock holders, I always consolidate before bridges. I think about how the Pikmin will trail and take into account that they are little dumb-dumbs who will fall off cliffs or pick grass if given the chance. I'm sure I will enjoy the smarter AI in 3 and 4, but I adjusted to how 1 played and it just doesn't bother me. • The 30 day time limit feels so core to the Pikmin experience to me that not having it just feels weird and wrong. I like how it leads to each day not feeling like a crazy rush, but still forces you to be cognizant of your actions and mistakes. Granted, it didn't take me long to finish the game in the time limit, even as a kid, but it allowed me to pursue that goal and then work hard to get my final day count as low as I could. No day limit in 2 made it far less memorable, and the fruit system in 3 definitely sounds too easy. • I adore the main collectable being parts of your crashed ship. While not all feel full necessary, and not all are, I loved finding a recognizable piece of the ship from the intro, carrying it back to base camp, and watching as it got added to the skeleton model of the Dolphin, slowly piecing it together more and more until it is finally pristine again. The treasures in 2 were quirky and fun, but I was far less excited to find one than I was to find a ship part, and fruit sounds extremely boring. • I love how the day limit allows areas to change over time. Watching new enemies appear when revisiting old areas, having the game world get more dangerous as the days click closer to 30, it made the game world feel more alive. The environment existed and changed whether you were there to see it or not, which led to more value on repeat play throughs. Stumbling on the Smoky Prog egg for the first time on my 3rd or 4th run was such a discovery, and a terrifying one that took out over half my Pikmin reserves at that. • Finally, I like the loneliness of Pikmin 1. Sometimes I enjoy putting my Pikmin away a minute or so before nightfall and just wandering the map alone, listening to the music speed up then fade away as the clock ticks down and the darkness sets in. I find the other games to be a little to... active? There are too many other characters, too much dialogue, too many things happening distracting from the core experience for being trapped on a hostile but beautiful world and trying to escape. Pikmin 1 just feels like a very pure expression of the concept and I appreciate that.

Some of the pikmin laxity, namely the grass addiction, is fine. The pikmin in game 2 are more disciplined because of their experiences with Olimar in game 1.

So although I disagree with your stance, you did do a very good job articulating your points. And for that you get a like on the video. This was a good follow up to the shaff counterpoint video. I think each pikmin game provides something for everyone and they are all great games. Plus I will admit I’m 100% nostalgia blind for pikmin 1.

Spitting facts,even if Pikmin 1 had it's tense moments,2 is much more entertaining with it's surprisingly hardcore dungeon crawling elements It's not some f zero GX levels of difficulty,but just hard enough to be enjoyable by hardcore players but also accessible enough so that anyone could enjoy if they push through thanks to the unlimited day system, honestly it's an brilliant game

Naah it’s repetitive, caves feel disconnected from the world you’re set to explore thus making it not as immersive as pikmin 1 or 3

Pikmin 2 is my favorite followed by 4. Disagree on Pikmin 3 as the main game is great the only problem is it’s easy but not Pikmin 4 easy. Pikmin 3 main story should be played as it’s just as good as the previous games. Disagree on that. Though when I play Pikmin I use the true spice mod for it and now the games difficulty is similar to 1 and 2. For Pikmin 4 I use the thickmin mod which also brings the games difficulty up to 1 and 2 the only problem is it makes the enemy’s bigger which makes some questionable or near,y impossible hitboxes and some enemy’s get stuck due to their size but if you want a difficulty for Pikmin 3 and 4 similar to 1 and 2 then I recommend Pikmin 3 true spice and Pikmin 4 thickmin edition.

As someone who beat Pikmin 1, 2, and 4 (I just haven't gotten around to 3). I have to say 2 is so much better than 1. Mainly due to the new Pikmin and Louie. My only gripe is that the Pikmin being naturally slower than the captains is SUPER annoying, especially after playing Pikmin 4

Hi! I just found your channel from your defending Pikmin 2 video. I’ve fallen in love with your Steven universe and Pikmin videos. Personally I’m not the biggest anime fan but you’ve still got a boatload of content that caters to my tastes and I just wanted to let you know how much I’m loving it! I hope to see a Pikmin 4 video from you at some point in the future. And I’ll be here for any Steven universe content you put out too! I could listen to you talk about Pikmin for hours, I love your passion on the subject. I am currently in a Pikmin binge, I was introduced to the series through smash bros, and my first game was 3, then I played 4. I just finished 1, am playing 2, and 3 deluxe is next on the list. Keep up the great content! It’s well made and full of personality! God bless!❤️

pikmin 2 >>>>> pikmin 1 and 3 (pikmin 2 is my favorite game of all time)