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Pilot requests POLICE. Unruly passenger on board. Swiss Airbus A330 returns to Newark. Real ATC 

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THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
31-MAR-2024. A Swiss International Air Lines Airbus A330-300 (A333), registration HB-JHI, performing flight SWR19 / LX19 from Newark Liberty International Airport, NJ (USA) to Zurich Airport (Switzerland) during climb out of Newark stopped at 21000 feet and decided to return to the airport if departure. The pilot reported that one of the passengers was trying to enter the cockpit. The flight crew declared PAN-PAN, requested the fire brigade to meet them after landing and the police at the gate. The pilots decided to make an overweight landing on runway 22 right. After landing the airplane vacated the runway and continued taxi to the gate. They requested the emergency services to follow them to the ramp.
ICAO defines this type of behavior as the highest level of threat: Level 4 - Attempted or actual breach of the flight crew compartment.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 Swiss Airbus A330 stops climb after takeoff at 21000 feet. They start their return
02:08 The pilots declare PAN-PAN. Unruly passenger tries to enter the cockpit
03:55 The flight crew requests the fire brigade and the police after landing
05:37 “We are cannot restrain the passenger”
08:14 The pilots contact Tower controller at Newark Airport
08:38 Landing at Newark Airport. Communications with Tower after landing
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THE VALUE OF THIS VIDEO:
THE MAIN VALUE IS EDUCATION. This reconstruction will be useful for actual or future air traffic controllers and pilots, people who plan to connect life with aviation, who like aviation. With help of this video reconstruction you’ll learn how to use radiotelephony rules, Aviation English language and general English language (for people whose native language is not English) in situation in flight, which was shown. THE MAIN REASON I DO THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND EVERY EMERGENCY SITUATION, EVERY WORD AND EVERY MOVE OF AIRCRAFT.
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HOW I DO VIDEOS:
1) I monitor media, airspace, looking for any non-standard, emergency and interesting situation.
2) I find communications of ATC unit for the period of time I need.
3) I take only phrases between air traffic controller and selected flight.
4) I find a flight path of selected aircraft.
5) I make an animation (early couple of videos don’t have animation) of flight path and aircraft, where the aircraft goes on his route.
6) When I edit video I put phrases of communications to specific points in video (in tandem with animation).
7) Together with my comments (voice and text) I edit and make a reconstruction of emergency, non-standard and interesting situation in flight.

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@zackmagee7077
@zackmagee7077 2 месяца назад
That controller should be required to go for a hearing exam.
@oldandintheway9805
@oldandintheway9805 2 месяца назад
For a WHAT??????
@zackmagee7077
@zackmagee7077 2 месяца назад
@@oldandintheway9805 I SAID YOU NEED TO GO FOR A HEARING TEST
@LeTangKichiro
@LeTangKichiro 2 месяца назад
@@zackmagee7077 Can somebody turn down that pilot? He keeps repeating himself!! Can't hear a thing!
@maplerivers
@maplerivers 2 месяца назад
@@zackmagee7077WHAT?? RYAN SEACREST? WHAT *ABOUT* RYAN SEACREST!?
@c.c7263
@c.c7263 2 месяца назад
@@oldandintheway9805 🤣
@sharkey086
@sharkey086 2 месяца назад
The pilot, even in a high stress situation, communicated more clearly and calmly than the controllers.
@JosipRadnik1
@JosipRadnik1 Месяц назад
judging from the accent, the pilot was french speaking. Probably from Lausanne or Geneva aerea.
@northmaineguy5896
@northmaineguy5896 2 месяца назад
I am a retired TRACON controller, and the first controller is reminiscent of how a lazy controller sounds. This pilot has someone trying to gain access to the flight deck and this controller is making him repeat everything in a high workload situation. We had a lot of lazy controllers who spent more time ducking work and calculating their maximum retirement date than working airplanes. There is nothing wrong with the pilot's accent or transmissions, it's all on this worthless controller.
@MobeansNJ
@MobeansNJ 2 месяца назад
I couldn’t agree more. And you have to think twice about air travel in this environment.
@jugheadjones5458
@jugheadjones5458 2 месяца назад
Even with the accent the pilot was very understandable!
@tillycatcat
@tillycatcat 2 месяца назад
I wouldn't say that the first controller was worthless, rather that he may require further training :)
@mweb1
@mweb1 2 месяца назад
@@tillycatcat Or partly the convo was not a he. Pronouns do not matter; communication does.
@xlandros
@xlandros 2 месяца назад
This was difficult to listen to, with all the calls from the controller to repeat what was said by the pilot. I had no difficulty understanding the pilots myself.
@ZeroSpawn
@ZeroSpawn 2 месяца назад
Controller = horrible. Pilot had to spell everything out for him. I can understand the pilot just fine, he defined everything clearly in a organized fashion.
@skytrotter6144
@skytrotter6144 2 месяца назад
It is because in the US they are not into standard ICAO phraseology ! 😂😂😂
@nickname5166
@nickname5166 2 месяца назад
@@skytrotter6144 or because radio connection was bad and controller wasn't hearing him well. we get recording from live atc, controller might be hearing it differently
@Belchmaster41
@Belchmaster41 2 месяца назад
@@skytrotter6144 it's standard ICAO because this incident is a "level 4"
@skytrotter6144
@skytrotter6144 2 месяца назад
@@Belchmaster41 You can be an ICAO member (the US are one of the funders) and not apply ICAO phraseology I have Language proficiency on my FAA atpl and level 6 on my EASA atpl and the phraseology, I can by experience tell you that there is a small booklet on the differences that shows they do not practice the same ICAO phraseology in a general manner ! 😉
@JM87Fly
@JM87Fly 2 месяца назад
@@skytrotter6144 what I will never understand is that even though the US is an ICAO member state and hosted the Chicago convention, it deviates markedly from ICAO standard procedure and best practices. Perhaps the Americans are annoyed that there hasn’t been an American ICAO president since 1947 and there has never been an American Secretary General?
@cotillionsd9500
@cotillionsd9500 Месяц назад
I was on this flight. Back in economy we of course had no idea what was happening. Hearing this makes me so grateful for the cockpit and cabin crew we had. This situation could've been so much worse than the inconvenience it became thanks to their extraordinary ability to maintain focus and control of the aircraft.
@freevillein9763
@freevillein9763 Месяц назад
How is this comment not top??? You were actually on the plane! I'm glad thr threat wasn't back there, but it must have been terrifying in retrospect!
@PrograError
@PrograError Месяц назад
wait... so this's in the biz or first class?
@stevechief
@stevechief 12 дней назад
​@@PrograErrornooooo. Swiss always installs the Cockpit door at the rear of the plane where the Economy is located, so know?
@easternpa2
@easternpa2 2 месяца назад
PAN-PAN-PAN-PAN. Are you declaring PAN-PAN-PAN? No, CAN CAN. We forgot to go to the supermarket.
@MobeansNJ
@MobeansNJ 2 месяца назад
People from the suburban NY area appreciate your comment. 😆
@Dvy383
@Dvy383 2 месяца назад
International pilots: Is PAN-PAN-PAN used more in ICAO "culture?" My sense is that it is very rarely used in the US, where virtually every commercial aircraft in need either declares an "Emergency" or "MAYDAY" or "Priority." It's taught to FAA controllers, but then, rarely used. I don't have a good sense of how closely ICAO procedures synch with FAA procedures (specifically 7110.65).
@MobeansNJ
@MobeansNJ 2 месяца назад
@@Dvy383 No I’m referring to the can-can comment, which is an annual sales event at a specific grocery store in the area.
@jpmasters-aus
@jpmasters-aus 2 месяца назад
@@Dvy383 My understanding is the US is/has converted to the ICAO terminology around emergencies.
@TherconJair
@TherconJair 2 месяца назад
Can-Can is also the originally French dance you'd see in a cabaret like the Moulin Rouge. Since the pilot is Swiss French my mind took to that meaning. ^^'
@ClaudeBawles
@ClaudeBawles 2 месяца назад
Passengers that do this should be banned from flying for life
@placiaffect8679
@placiaffect8679 2 месяца назад
Rest assured. That person will [if non american] have their (last ever) flight back in cuffs next to an air marshall, or will have to sail across the oceans from now on. Thats an automatic No-Fly-List signup
@ThePatriot-gm1fg
@ThePatriot-gm1fg 2 месяца назад
​@@placiaffect8679 What difference does their nationality make? If they're American, they're subject to the same punishment!
@placiaffect8679
@placiaffect8679 2 месяца назад
@@ThePatriot-gm1fg if the perpetrator is american it WAS its LAST flight on a plane, if not that person will be escorted back to its country of origin, after or during prison time.
@straxwb
@straxwb 2 месяца назад
​@@ThePatriot-gm1fg well the plane landed in the US so no more need to fly for the passenger
@ThePatriot-gm1fg
@ThePatriot-gm1fg 2 месяца назад
@straxwb Yes assuming he lives there.
@billywhizz6483
@billywhizz6483 2 месяца назад
Loads of wasted time (and extra stress for the pilots) by the controllers asking for repeated info.
@ConQueefTador0923
@ConQueefTador0923 2 месяца назад
You realize that controllers don’t just talk to pilots, right?
@debcarpenter8519
@debcarpenter8519 2 месяца назад
I've noticed that a lot on other videos.
@AJTStuff
@AJTStuff 2 месяца назад
I've worked air ops for a decade now. I can't get over how many times the aircrew had to repeat themselves (first souls and fuel, then approach info). This video was NOT a great example of how ATC assists crews in emergent situations. This is especially true of ATC in the NY TRACON. I guess they've grown pre-2001 complacent again.
@pollyanna4468
@pollyanna4468 2 месяца назад
Exactly. Well said.
@alexandern4403
@alexandern4403 2 месяца назад
DEI hires?
@CanalDuModem
@CanalDuModem 21 день назад
So, what went wrong when ATC asked the pilot to repeat the information? Should he have guessed what the pilot said?
@jtidema
@jtidema 14 дней назад
@@alexandern4403 Someone always has to make this ridiculous comment.
@jtidema
@jtidema 14 дней назад
@@CanalDuModem Obviously not. It the CONSTANT repetition that makes it clear that either the ATC has a hearing problem, or there is too much noise in the tower for them to do their jobs correctly, or he needs more training, or SOMETHING that should have been picked up on by management prior to this emergency.
@Michael_K_Woods
@Michael_K_Woods 2 месяца назад
This controller is a disaster.
@ronniewoodinsteadofmt2615
@ronniewoodinsteadofmt2615 2 месяца назад
Michael you just made comment of the year .!! Agreed .
@ronniewoodinsteadofmt2615
@ronniewoodinsteadofmt2615 2 месяца назад
This foul ball should be working at a Starbucks so he sound disgusted like the other employees who act like your bothering them .!!
@despe666
@despe666 2 месяца назад
I can understand the ATC is not used to kilos, but that guy sounded like he had no idea what they were talking about.
@elbuggo
@elbuggo 2 месяца назад
Even drug dealers know what a kilo is.
@janipiot
@janipiot Месяц назад
Makes me think of the "wtf is a kilometer" meme
@katho8472
@katho8472 Месяц назад
I don't know exactly how much an American pound is. So what. I write down the number the pilot gives me and the unit, and do the math later or let someone else do it.
@MattyC62185
@MattyC62185 Месяц назад
@@katho8472 2.2 lbs to 1 kg
@shannonhawkins3296
@shannonhawkins3296 Месяц назад
Everyone has a phone. He could Google changing kilos to pounds. Btw, the pilot should have given the amount of TIME was left in the fuel tanks… and the ATC should have asked for THAT information.
@AxelC2020
@AxelC2020 2 месяца назад
That passenger must have been really something, since the pilot wanted to keep moving to the gate, despite hot brakes.
@PlaneSpottingBerlin
@PlaneSpottingBerlin 2 месяца назад
The airflow from taxiing also cools the brakes so it makes sense. Waiting on the taxiway to potentially let them flame up is not the smart move, when you got a passenger who needs to get off 😅
@pgbrandon
@pgbrandon 2 месяца назад
@@PlaneSpottingBerlin Thank you for this insight. New to watching these. I assume they also have monitors on how hot the brakes are.
@PlaneSpottingBerlin
@PlaneSpottingBerlin 2 месяца назад
@@pgbrandoncorrect, planes have many sensors for all vital parts ;)
@johanjacobs9240
@johanjacobs9240 2 месяца назад
Moving freely in the cabin. Yes, there is something disturbing about him. Almost like he hold the passengers and the flight hostage in a passive way. Nobody seems to have the guts to restrain him. Which I can understand. You'll never know what he can do.
@beershitz9977
@beershitz9977 2 месяца назад
@@johanjacobs9240 It's worth a try, especially if you're going to have to spend another day in Newark.
@49toddy
@49toddy 2 месяца назад
Suspend the controller and ensure he is retrained starting from Day 1 basic - disgraceful.
@markm5681
@markm5681 2 месяца назад
The worst part is that the passenger was released on a promise to appear. Everyone had to be rebooked, a crew member was injured, and this guy slept in his own bed that night.
@zaram131
@zaram131 Месяц назад
Wow that is insane!
@PrograError
@PrograError Месяц назад
@@zaram131 probably jail's full...
@mudchair16
@mudchair16 Месяц назад
NY, like many other US states, no longer believes in upholding the law. Country's falling apart.
@jaysmith1408
@jaysmith1408 20 дней назад
The feds release on ‘Promise to Appear’? I thought it was direct to the clink, pending sentencing to a worse clink.
@markm5287
@markm5287 19 дней назад
@@jaysmith1408 Yessir... per the article on Business Insider... "the individual was charged with interference with transportation and assault and was released with a court desk appearance". Crime is becoming legal in this country unless you literally kill someone. It's horrifying really that anyone can do almost anything and get away with it. The Purge, in slow motion.
@commoncommenter1396
@commoncommenter1396 2 месяца назад
Having to communicate with ATC in the US sounds like a nightmare
@Kane12653
@Kane12653 2 месяца назад
yeah lol I was thinking the same
@Custardpie174
@Custardpie174 2 месяца назад
Its only gonna get better.....coming soon zero drug testing.....
@bobmcgehee1749
@bobmcgehee1749 2 месяца назад
It is
@EdOeuna
@EdOeuna 2 месяца назад
It’s not that bad, in the scheme of things. Probably the worst in the developed world. Full of non-standard RT. Just a reflection of how on the brink the US system is.
@bobmcgehee1749
@bobmcgehee1749 2 месяца назад
@@EdOeuna It’s getting 3rd World very fast
@JohnThreeSixteen918
@JohnThreeSixteen918 2 месяца назад
Pilot to first controller "when you are ready, I have a number for you to copy!!"
@carolinelvsewe
@carolinelvsewe 2 месяца назад
The controllers were the worst I’ve heard. The cockpit is managing a very tense situation. The controllers had an unurgent tone…because of an accent of pilot? We could understand clearly. Do they not focus and prioritize??
@Blast6926
@Blast6926 2 месяца назад
Gау
@jh.4770
@jh.4770 2 месяца назад
This is the northeast region we're talking about here. Perhaps the busiest airspace in the world. They got a ton of planes up in the air that they need to keep an eye on. They can't lose focus on the other planes. This controller likely had a lot of planes under his watch at the moment.
@Blast6926
@Blast6926 2 месяца назад
@@jh.4770 + this wasn't an engine failure or Mayday
@Dvy383
@Dvy383 2 месяца назад
As someone quite familiar with the field, I disagree. This is busy airspace. You're only hearing communications with one aircraft. "Unruly passengers" calls from aircraft are not uncommon, and cockpit doors are very secure. PAN-PAN-PAN may be by-the-book but probably doesn't reflect the actual threat. (if it was a serious threat, the passenger would have been restrained by attendents&passengers). It simply sounds like an out of control drunk and the pilot didn't want to deal with it for the next 7 hours . Still the initial Boston Center(?) controller was either having a bad day or simply unprofessional. Any time you have an emergency aircraft, you know your actions are going to be scrutinized, and you try to clear up your act, use perfect phraseology, etc. That's partially why you hear so much duplication of questions by ATC on many of these emergency videos. Controllers are simply verifying what they've already heard on the landline from the prior controller. For what it's worth, the rest of the controllers seemed fine. The Swiss Air pilot's english was perfect, and he understood everything except for unfamiliar fixes with made-up pronunciation. (but I could understand one controller briefly tripping over a britishism the pilot used). Controllers generally speak fast in busier areas and BOS/NYC controllers just ramp it up another notch. I just accidently found video soon after it was posted and don't understand the (as of this posting) unanimous criticism of the controllers involved.
@Dvy383
@Dvy383 2 месяца назад
@@Blast6926 Exactly. I'm not saying *everything* was perfect (looking towards ZBW) but I see nothing particularly wrong with ATC here for an "unruly passenger" call.
@bjmaston
@bjmaston 2 месяца назад
Pilot: "PAN PAN PAN PAN". ATC: "Are you declaring PAN PAN?" Is there something in the water in the US?
@oldRighty1
@oldRighty1 2 месяца назад
Pilot: "PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN" Is that any better? Controller: "What?"
@bjmaston
@bjmaston 2 месяца назад
@@oldRighty1 Controller: "You are not declaring an emergency or anything like that?" Pilot: Controller: "You are not declaring an emergency or anything like that?" Pilot:
@Dvy383
@Dvy383 2 месяца назад
I feel like the first controller's only defender. Wasn't there, but at that time of day, he might be monitoring other frequencies, on a landline with another facility, or whatever. If video is synched somewhat correctly with audio, he was already coordinating an unusual return to Newark, overloaded with fuel, hot brakes, etc, etc. I'd rather a chill sloppy phraseology controller, than an excited one.
@TomCro73
@TomCro73 2 месяца назад
@@Dvy383 Well said - I thought it sounded a little sloppy but I'll take that over agitation and fast talking. We've the classic situation of armchair flight sim fanatics who wouldn't do so well given a little adrenaline, and communication without subtitles.
@YBNmadman
@YBNmadman 2 месяца назад
well in flint Michigan there is
@ehsan83
@ehsan83 2 месяца назад
quick observation here : - 2024 and we are still dealing with pounds and kilos and tones. crew is dealing with a passenger trying to get into cockpit and pilots have to think of a way to make the approach guy understand the quantity of their fuel. the fuel quantity saga will continue till all countries use the same measure just like when they all chose to speak in English - Swiss just launched the Newark flight so pilots are not familiar with waypoint names and the approach area in general so maybe somebody needs to take that into account - The controller is focused on everything except the plane in question. pilots shouldn't be forced to repeat everything. the cabin crew are also trying to communicate with them at the same time. this is just an extra burden. I watch these videos frequently. some controllers are exceptionally good and some are just disastrous.
@dvukovic
@dvukovic 2 месяца назад
"The controller is focused on everything except the plane in question", as they haven't declared an emergency, they are just another plane in the sky for that controller, and you can't expect any special treatment or attention. The pilots should have declared an emergency, they had a very valid reason to do so.
@ehsan83
@ehsan83 2 месяца назад
@@dvukovic oh your reply sounds familiar. Avianca 052 sounds familiar to you? lets say pilots forgot to use the word Emergency. Is that a good enough reason for the controller to not be focused on his job and ask them to repeat everything several times? You have somebody trying to open cockpit's door immediately after takeoff. Wouldn't your, yourself, be startled? Is that a good reason to believe that to him "they are just another plane in the sky"? As long as people start ransacking the law and protocols to hide their shortage, laziness and lack of concentration, this industry is simply lucky to be the safest mean of transportation.
@akitas8165
@akitas8165 23 дня назад
The whole world already uses kilograms/metres. It is just America who still use the old system.
@briansmyla8696
@briansmyla8696 17 дней назад
@@dvukovic Fair. But why didn't they utter the dreaded E word? What kept them from doing that?
@briansmyla8696
@briansmyla8696 17 дней назад
@@ehsan83 Nobody 'forgets' to say the E word. Nobody wants to say it because of the consequences that follow uttering it. Perceived or otherwise, there are consequences. And there should NEVER be consequences.
@joshron99
@joshron99 2 месяца назад
Unless the audio was bad the first ATC guy seemed dense to me (there was no language barrier here, the pilot was intelligible).
@minetogiveaway
@minetogiveaway 2 месяца назад
​@@northmaineguy5896you're saying the controller was struggling with understanding the Swiss pilot because they're "DEI"? What does that mean?
@p6x2
@p6x2 2 месяца назад
Some people have difficulty to understand their native language when spoken with an accent they are not familiar with. That being said, unless the ATC is a newbie in the job, he should be familiar with the sometimes struggling to speak English foreign pilots. This is common for people who are not exposed much to the rest of the world.
@oldRighty1
@oldRighty1 2 месяца назад
@@northmaineguy5896And what if he's an old white guy? DEI is getting lame as a bogeyman for everything. Did DEI cause the earthquake in Taiwan?
@maanmohammad8459
@maanmohammad8459 2 месяца назад
@@minetogiveaway Google it and don't be like the "DEI".
@christopherclark279
@christopherclark279 2 месяца назад
Dale Earnhardt Incorporated?
@perdiddlepanskew8018
@perdiddlepanskew8018 2 месяца назад
OMG those poor pilots. What was wrong with the headsets of the first three ATCs that they had to have everything repeated many times. The first one seemed like maybe he needed to be tested for a new auditory processing problem.
@LeTangKichiro
@LeTangKichiro 2 месяца назад
The problem was what should have been located between the headset, not the headset.
@perdiddlepanskew8018
@perdiddlepanskew8018 2 месяца назад
@@LeTangKichiro - I am willing to look for systems problems first, but it does seems like there is some sort of processing issue, or maybe just a capacity problem. I wonder what training the ATCs get to be able to process so fast, and to speak giving detailed information quickly and without error. I’m a “no, I mean the other right!” car navigator, so the abilities of the really great ATCs we see do leave me in awe.
@maxbee4460
@maxbee4460 2 месяца назад
This is a major airport in the USA, why didn’t it sound like it?
@Dvy383
@Dvy383 2 месяца назад
A: You're not hearing everything. B: Typically at this time of day, the NYC airports are launching dozens of eastbound international flights to Europe.
@maanmohammad8459
@maanmohammad8459 2 месяца назад
First controller was not in an airport.The last one was.Of course it doesn't matter,the first one was terrible.
@RushyoTakha
@RushyoTakha 2 месяца назад
Controller's thoughts: *I wonder what I should have for lunch.* SWISS: "PAN PAN. PAN PAN. PAN PAN." Controller's thoughts: *Hmm. Yeah. Pan-fried eggs sounds great* Controller: "Did you say something?"
@SYDAirlineEnthusiast
@SYDAirlineEnthusiast 5 дней назад
Spanish people would think bread.
@KasraKasra-wu3ol
@KasraKasra-wu3ol 2 месяца назад
So frustrating listening to this ! It’s crazy
@rampel1
@rampel1 2 месяца назад
Nice to see USA ATC being equal opportunity employer and having deaf ATCs, they might benefit from some courses in English being native speakers and all. It's such a handicap for them😂
@redcapote4760
@redcapote4760 2 месяца назад
Nah they're just racist to everyone who isn't White American. That's all. No big deal. The usual American mentality.
@maanmohammad8459
@maanmohammad8459 2 месяца назад
One might say at least he is not visually impaired (to be politically correct).
@bobmcgehee1749
@bobmcgehee1749 2 месяца назад
He didn’t like the pronouns the pilot was using.
@LeTangKichiro
@LeTangKichiro 2 месяца назад
The US is a deteriorating joke at this point.
@zamar2158
@zamar2158 24 дня назад
Air Canada pilots who are quebecois would have more of an accent than the slight intonation variance that these Swiss air pilots have. Something definitely wrong with the controller's headset or hearing. How would he understand british English I wonder.
@Andrew-tb9vr
@Andrew-tb9vr 2 месяца назад
The controllers level of English is terrible. I could understand the Swiss guys far more clearly than ATC!
@exploreraa983
@exploreraa983 2 месяца назад
We are Swiss, we have no pounds of fuel. Our fuel is all Kilograms!
@Blast6926
@Blast6926 2 месяца назад
Pretty much the whole world uses Kg except for the US
@douglasc9182
@douglasc9182 2 месяца назад
The entire world uses kg except the USA.
@gtm624
@gtm624 2 месяца назад
Well this is the us so if one wants to fly here learn what a pound is or don’t fly here.
@Blast6926
@Blast6926 2 месяца назад
@@gtm624 we'll see if that continues in the decades to come after China completely takes over, yes they Kg
@minetogiveaway
@minetogiveaway 2 месяца назад
"in other news an international incident occurred today when a RU-vid comment left by ​@@gtm624 effectively prohibited all non-domestic air travel within the united states. witnesses report this is due to a disagreement over fundamental units of measurement widely accepted in the civilised world being roundly rejected in favour of patriotism on behalf of the American citizen. the white house has refused to comment."
@MobeansNJ
@MobeansNJ 2 месяца назад
The approach controllers need hearing assistance I guess. That just wasn’t good.
@Blast6926
@Blast6926 2 месяца назад
Don't be gау
@trr4488
@trr4488 2 месяца назад
We don't know what the radio communication was like for the controller, do we? Maybe a problem with a headset or other problems.
@MobeansNJ
@MobeansNJ 2 месяца назад
Sure, they have hundreds of antennas on their facility. So probably not.
@trr4488
@trr4488 2 месяца назад
@@MobeansNJ I don't agree and if you follow these types of ATC videos you might see or hear that not everything is black and white.
@MobeansNJ
@MobeansNJ 2 месяца назад
@@trr4488 I listen to ATC often. And nothing was said here that should’ve tripped up these controllers. They sounded unprofessional. That’s just my opinion.
@as-guardianangel9360
@as-guardianangel9360 2 месяца назад
I have found the US airspace is the worst for pilots who aren’t American. Very unprofessional compared to most of the world.
@gregorythompson5826
@gregorythompson5826 2 месяца назад
What even France? Or maybe China?
@Andrew-tb9vr
@Andrew-tb9vr 2 месяца назад
Japan is the absolute worst, barely understandable English. France at least uses standard phraseology. Russia and China needs special caution with height in meters not feet but controllers are experienced and competent (usually).
@TomCro73
@TomCro73 2 месяца назад
With all respect, your generalization of the "US airspace" makes me wonder if you're referring to AI controllers from flight sims? And I'm curious where in "most of the world" you've found ATCOs to be more professional.
@jiyushugi1085
@jiyushugi1085 2 месяца назад
Sadly, all aspects of American life are in decline.
@EdOeuna
@EdOeuna 2 месяца назад
I flew to China the other day. ATC is accented but very clear and highly standard. From the developed world American a is worst, by a margin.
@JSolisHD
@JSolisHD 2 месяца назад
I think the first controller was having his nails done. Not a single fk given, made the busy pilot repeat everything he said twice, despite being clear in pronounciation. Pull that first controller off for retraining.
@OptimisticSurfer
@OptimisticSurfer 2 месяца назад
Cockpit under attack, mk cool… fuel and souls? Fuel and souls? Hello fuel and souls? Ok we know you’re under attack but we’re going to make you switch frequencies for our convenience
@KoiranenAerospace
@KoiranenAerospace 2 месяца назад
It doesn't affect to the actual work on cockpit in any way, if someone is messing in the cabin. Crew didn't declare emergency (and even if it did, it would still need to change frequencies).
@xxJohnxx77
@xxJohnxx77 2 месяца назад
@@KoiranenAerospace They did decleare emergency at 2:28.
@KoiranenAerospace
@KoiranenAerospace 2 месяца назад
@@xxJohnxx77pan pan is not emergency call, it’s urgency call.
@Chr15T
@Chr15T Месяц назад
"So we are declaring PAN-PAN, PAN-PAN, PAN-PAN" - "You are saying PAN-PAN?"
@echo.charlie
@echo.charlie 2 месяца назад
jeebus.. I feel bad for SWR19C, they had to repeat info many times and apparently their preferred runway was not relayed. this was frustrating to listen to.
@mikaelhg
@mikaelhg 2 месяца назад
48200 kilograms is 4 2/7 inches, right?
@blockbertus
@blockbertus 2 месяца назад
No, that will be 742 washing machines.
@oliver9089
@oliver9089 2 месяца назад
​@blockbertus I need that in Bananas, please.
@blockbertus
@blockbertus 2 месяца назад
@@oliver9089 Got you, fam. Approx. 401.667 bananas.
@oliver9089
@oliver9089 2 месяца назад
@@blockbertus is that ripe bananas or plantains?
@Blast6926
@Blast6926 2 месяца назад
You best know what Kg is as your superiors in China use it
@originaljazzgirl
@originaljazzgirl 2 месяца назад
Good video, thanks! It's cool how they all worked together so professionally. And yes per the other person's comment, I agree that there shouldn't have been the need to ask the pilot to repeat himself so many times.
@Dr.Pepper001
@Dr.Pepper001 2 месяца назад
Well this sucks. We didn't get to see them drag the guy off.
@BeautifulKittenOfLove
@BeautifulKittenOfLove 20 дней назад
Your video asks if we have an interesting situation that should be published and boy do I...My cat (Mr Tiddlesworth) spent all of last Sunday morning looking at me in the most peculiar manner...Well I never thought much about it until he started to make the "hairball" noise (you know the..aack..aack...AACK sound followed by a hairball the size of a cigar lol) BUT this time no hairball...IT WAS A BUTTERFLY! LOL he had caught it and it got stuck....and the damn thing FLEW AWAY! LOL oh my goodness, Mildred and I laughed and laughed and thought this is something you have to share with the world..God Bless Tilly Landscome St Paul Minnesota.
@RckyMtneer
@RckyMtneer 2 месяца назад
Why...WHY does the first controller make them repeat everything over and over?
@Tvuvtctoj46fck
@Tvuvtctoj46fck 2 месяца назад
Too busy getting off on his own supremacy.
@ilovetotri23
@ilovetotri23 2 месяца назад
I can't even begin to understand the cost of that unruly passenger.
@fakename8856
@fakename8856 2 месяца назад
My Great Dane & I got into a cockpit, we just asked the Captain for a tour when we pre-boarded.
@LTXsp
@LTXsp 2 месяца назад
On the thumbnail I saw the Swiss Air jet and the request to return and have LEO ready and I said what? Then I saw the flight departed from EWR and it made more sense.
@donepearce
@donepearce 2 месяца назад
The controller is drawling instead of speaking clearly. He needs training.
@Peteliao
@Peteliao 2 месяца назад
I am a FO for China Airlines, and I hate flying to SFO or NY. Those controllers seem to not like their job and always mumbling. I fly to other asian and europen countries and all of them speak very clear English. English is my second language and sometimes its hard to understand when US controllers use slang.
@nikolauswolff5791
@nikolauswolff5791 2 месяца назад
What is wrong with the controller? Was his first day ? 😮‍💨
@DrSosGrigorian
@DrSosGrigorian 2 месяца назад
Shocking that both ATC’s can’t hear.
@Shello58
@Shello58 9 дней назад
I hope that ATC was FIRED!
@gpslightlock1422
@gpslightlock1422 2 месяца назад
Pretty chill pilot for crazy dude trying to breach the cockpit. Maybe he's packing.
@jimlerific
@jimlerific 2 месяца назад
nah that’s the Swiss - very cool under pressure
@colmc4729
@colmc4729 2 месяца назад
Anyone who has ever watched the muppets That's the atc on this day Shocking from a380 pilot
@danielneszvecsko2305
@danielneszvecsko2305 2 месяца назад
At what point will the controller ever realize that the call sign is ‘Swiss’ and not ‘Swiss Air’?
@TheButterZone
@TheButterZone 2 месяца назад
The pilot's vocal descent tracking the descent in altitude.
@McNab1986
@McNab1986 2 месяца назад
That controller is either hearing impaired or just likes making people repeat themselves unnecessarily
@artistjoh
@artistjoh 14 дней назад
Passenger needs permanent flying ban from all airlines. He can walk or swim in future, and if he wants to fly tell him to flap his arms.
@jemand8462
@jemand8462 2 месяца назад
PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN ... - you're saying PAN PAN?
@PeterNGloor
@PeterNGloor 2 месяца назад
Imagine the cost of this operation. Hopefully the unruly chap will have to pay the airline the full amount.
@andysPARK
@andysPARK 2 месяца назад
Good job in stressful circumstances. I liked the thoroughness to ensure good information despite hearing issues. I wonder if the other passengers tried to restrain the out of control guy....
@walkingman9171
@walkingman9171 2 месяца назад
You would think they would be able to restrain him.
@dalong0
@dalong0 2 месяца назад
Bottom line: AVOID AMERICA AT ALL COSTS!!!! 👎🇺🇸WAY TOO MANY SICKOS!!
@JaakiMaaki
@JaakiMaaki 2 месяца назад
Fuel remaining confusion between ATC and crew, here we go again.
@FlemmingJensen-ek5ng
@FlemmingJensen-ek5ng 2 месяца назад
Please replace that controller.
@AlexandreGalinMtl
@AlexandreGalinMtl 22 дня назад
I cannot believe that there are ATCs like that guy in Newark. It s scary.
@timbtamgomez9110
@timbtamgomez9110 15 дней назад
I would be royally pissed if my flight had to turn around due to a crazy person
@nothanksmate
@nothanksmate Месяц назад
It is so disrespectful to pilots not to be LISTENING properly. Pilots know they cannot stuff up, as soon as they hear a lazy, incompetent ATC, they know it's all up to them now. Luckily pilots receive a lot more training and are fully aware of their responsibility.
@davidbee4515
@davidbee4515 2 месяца назад
Lousy controllers.
@lesbrook
@lesbrook 2 месяца назад
Why is the sound quality so bad on ATC/Aircraft Radio that they have to repeat practically everything to be understood.
@stephenlee5144
@stephenlee5144 2 месяца назад
This controller is a good reflection of today's America.
@MilesPrower15
@MilesPrower15 20 дней назад
Pilot: I'd like to fly ILS approach. This guy: What approach? Say that again?
@alaye6250
@alaye6250 2 месяца назад
Greetings from Zürich Switzerland :)
@zaram131
@zaram131 Месяц назад
Greetings! ❤️ Zurich! 🇨🇭
@lebomar
@lebomar 2 месяца назад
What a pain in the ass to listen to this controller! A lot of unneeded repeats, to me it doesn't seem that the swiss pilot was unclear!
@MLCHRL
@MLCHRL Месяц назад
BREZY. Love it!
@akitas8165
@akitas8165 23 дня назад
The first two controllers were hopeless. The pilot was very clear and specific in his transmissions and the controllers did not seem to be focused on the job at hand.
@aljack1979
@aljack1979 2 месяца назад
This is is too painful to listen to
@TexasVernon
@TexasVernon 2 месяца назад
Gus Grissom's complaint comes to mind: " "How are we going to get to the Moon if we can't talk between two or three buildings?"
@dougwint
@dougwint Месяц назад
Needs to be locked up for many many years.
@jasperrom
@jasperrom 2 месяца назад
Why always the question in the US: "How many souls on board?" Are they gonna count them all before the police will arrest the unruly passenger once on the ground? There must be some passenger list in case of an emergency I assume. And a I assume a US controller should know that almost all airlines in the world except US based airlines use kilograms instead of pounds.
@SometimeWoodworker
@SometimeWoodworker 2 месяца назад
Souls on board is to check in case of dire emergencies and example is so the know nobody is lying under the fire suppressant foam and getting killed by being run over
@BoiiGorg3ous
@BoiiGorg3ous 2 месяца назад
And its ask in every country.
@jtidema
@jtidema 14 дней назад
I didn't know so I looked this up... PAN-PAN - Used to indicate an urgent situation that doesn't pose an immediate danger to life or the vessel. For example, a pleasure craft that's broken down, out of gas, or lost in fog. MAYDAY - Used to indicate a distress condition, such as an imminent danger to life or a vessel. Distress communications take absolute priority over all other communications, and the word "Mayday" commands radio silence on the frequency in use. So I guess that's why the ATC kept asking whether they wanted to declare an emergency.
@CharlieTheNerd91
@CharlieTheNerd91 7 дней назад
Yeah, in reality, both are treated as emergencies tho.
@neuralwarp
@neuralwarp 2 месяца назад
What happened to the passenger?
@anishjoshi6002
@anishjoshi6002 2 месяца назад
I’d like to weigh in on the whole Pan/Pam situation
@gonun69
@gonun69 Месяц назад
Did the controller forget to put his headset on or what? Why didn't he understand anything?
@Suburp212
@Suburp212 Месяц назад
That first TRACON Dude is supposed to say " Say intentions" and then aid the flight crew. Not commence this repeated interrogation.
@billyray3761
@billyray3761 2 месяца назад
"Moving freely in the cabin?" You mean 233 people couldn't restrain him???
@deew7014
@deew7014 2 месяца назад
Yep SMDH
@MissRed92837
@MissRed92837 2 месяца назад
I have seen a video of the police arresting him. That was a tall muscular guy.
@user-pf5xq3lq8i
@user-pf5xq3lq8i 2 месяца назад
Post link then
@cedarkey
@cedarkey 2 месяца назад
NY Controllers. You really need to up your game. This interaction is yet another example of how poor your controlling is. Time and time again you are shown to be unprofessional, primarily in how you interact with pilots whose first language is not English. Pilots are very busy in these situations. Less of the demands for superfluous information.
@BoiiGorg3ous
@BoiiGorg3ous 2 месяца назад
Funny how some people think the Callsign Swiss Air instead of Swiss is more important than repeating fuel amounts.
@CharlieTheNerd91
@CharlieTheNerd91 8 дней назад
You do not confirm a transmission with "VERY GOOD" during a PAN-PAN or MAYDAY I heard it as "SAY AGAIN" as well.
@BulgarianAviation767
@BulgarianAviation767 Месяц назад
That one ATC had the mental acuity of a sloth. I cannot ever understand why they ask for souls on board every damn time when it is literally given in each flight plan.
@mds3697
@mds3697 Месяц назад
Asking it is fine. Having to ask it 5 times over is a bit much
@jpmasters-aus
@jpmasters-aus 2 месяца назад
Sounds like the passenger may have been rooming around during the landing. It must have been quite a bad experience for passengers around them.
@mweb1
@mweb1 2 месяца назад
I understood him the first time and I am not Swiss. Both sides talk too fast with no COMMAS or PERIODS or any stylization of grammatical punctuation.
@adamdriver1016
@adamdriver1016 2 месяца назад
Choosing 22R, which is shorter than 22L, when asking for the fire brigade due hot brakes seems strange to me. 22R is a massively inset threshold; maybe they didn't check the landing distance?
@demouloud
@demouloud Месяц назад
22R is longer than 22L www.fly.faa.gov/Information/east/zny/ewr/atcCharts/EWR_IAP_00285IL22R.pdf I don't understand people like you.
@zamar2158
@zamar2158 24 дня назад
The danger/ irritation to swiss 19C heavy was not the unruly pax onboard but the controller with some sort of hearing or processing disorder - repeat, repeat, repeat.
@7novalee
@7novalee 2 месяца назад
terrible controller.
@TiptronicSS
@TiptronicSS 2 месяца назад
That Brezy thing was just the controller trying to be a smartass, the pilot's reaction was awesome, could you spell it that again? Then still just saying it as a word instead of spelling 😂😂😂 What a waste of time and energy though
@right_around_the_corner
@right_around_the_corner 2 месяца назад
Controller needs to clean the spooge out of his ears
@ilovetotri23
@ilovetotri23 2 месяца назад
Interesting how much the stress the language barrier was having during some transmissions. Anyone have any ideas on what happened with the approach controller? Different approach controller around 6:30. Seemed like the existing controller was struggling. I love watching these videos, but do not always truly understand what is happening because I am not trained in this area.
@si_vis_amari_ama
@si_vis_amari_ama 2 месяца назад
Depending on the aircraft location in the sky, there are published frequencies for that area. The initial controller may have initially some problem understanding, but the repeating got very silly. Standard phraseology was not always used by ATC here either. There are also approach and ground frequencies, and an extra one that they were required to check for latest weather or anything that will affect the safety of the aircraft. This is normal practice at larger airports worldwide. Hope this helps.
@ilovetotri23
@ilovetotri23 2 месяца назад
@@si_vis_amari_ama Thanks!
@claudeb.3473
@claudeb.3473 Месяц назад
Shouldn’t the pilot have reported a PAN PAN from the start? Otherwise, there’s no perceived urgency on the part of first controller.
@briansmyla8696
@briansmyla8696 17 дней назад
ATC dropped the ball on this one from start to finish. This seems to be a problem as of late. Only a matter of time before there's a MCI as a result.
@trolleydollystustu28
@trolleydollystustu28 22 дня назад
Omg why did the ATC not listen? Busy? Distracted? Lazy?
@boudibla4011
@boudibla4011 2 месяца назад
Approach dude needs to listen to his radio really....
@PridelandGamingOffical
@PridelandGamingOffical 2 месяца назад
Hmm… did pilot had unruly passenger or controller??? 😅
@IStMl
@IStMl 2 месяца назад
Is the first controller deaf?
@BlueCaliber592124
@BlueCaliber592124 2 месяца назад
If I remember correctly, the clairty at which we hear their radio traffic is not the same clarity at which they hear it.
@CharlieTheNerd91
@CharlieTheNerd91 7 дней назад
yeah, usually we hear it worse
@jaguar3248
@jaguar3248 10 дней назад
It would help if the Controllers at New York would quit the non standard phraseology they all seem to use. "Say again" instead of "whats that" is much more likely to illicit a response instead of another question. This crew was busy and not helped by ATC instructions being issued using terms they had to decipher to understand.
@teb1687
@teb1687 Месяц назад
wow is this IVAO or how is ATC so bad
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