Very refreshing, honest review. Even though I think it’s a little too critical take on a bike that seems to be desgined (and priced) for gravel racing and not for Sunday picknick rides, your honest opinion sets this channel positively apart from other channels that just seem to be reading from the promotion material, including all the marketing buzz words. 👍
At what price point would this frame (not complete bike), become outstanding? I’m thinking of picking one up used. At a used price I think this frame might be quite intriguing
It is exactly what I want form a gravel bike, it handles amazing and is fast. quick tip, anyone looking for one bike that does it all.....stop looking, its a unicorn. I ride primarily in the Pacific Northwest of Canada/USA, lots of forest roads and singletrack, but not technical. The Grivel eats it all up.
2020: the $3500 105’s are selling before they hit the sales floor. You have to pre order and wait 3-4 months. Best to go to a brick and mortar store and get fitted with a sample. Sizing is tricky because they run large.
$3500 for the Grevil frameset and $5900 for the Grevil Plus Frameset? wow. Just feels out of touch with what a gravel bike is meant to be. I'll stick with my Checkpoint.
Detailed and honest review. I do think you're being a bit myopic, racy gravel bikes definitely have a place. For example, come here to Midwestern USA where there's a large supply of (relatively) smooth gravel roads with no traffic and many fast groups to join in riding them. You can get away with a road bike, but something that can fit 40s is even better. I can assure you a bike like this makes sense here, double chainring and all.
Excellent review, one of the best I have ever seen anywhere. As 1 who has several bikes I can honestly say I cant figure out what this bike is for and the price for the spec is ridiculous
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Love the bike!! if you are a road biker with a few trips to gravel areas this is the perfect all-in-one bike! With smaller like 32 wheels will run fantastic on the road and for the eventually lite gravel trip...
for that money I can get nice road bike, great value gravel and HT MTB bike. really bad value, but looks nice :). I guess it's dedicated to true Pinarello lovers
Terrific >Honest pro rider review of a new player on the scene!! Super review of Pinarello's Gravel bike! As with all bikes generous speed and agility a must and comfort as the last requirement.
Good review 👍 I just paid £2200 for a similarly spec'd. Wilier Jena, seems like a similar bike but the Jena is prettier (in my opinion), cheaper, lighter and comes with adventure bike bosses on the forks. Job jobbed
Thing Is you don’t necessarily want wide rims with wide tyres - there’s a fair amount of evidence to suggest that a more tube - shaped tyre actually handles better than one that is more square in corners because the contact patch remains consistent
Gravel bikes should be sightly beefed up road bikes like this (or even less so), if you're getting a gravel bike with suspension and super slack geometry you should really be getting cross country bike.
I've got a Norco Search (the old aluminium version) which is great for soaking up small potholes and light gravel trails. The other day I was riding on a fire track which was fairly smooth and was ideal for my bike but then I turned down this single track mountain bike trail which was full of big rocks and my bike was so out of place there! You'ld be mad to ride anything other than a mountain bike down those kind of trails. Which brings to question what's the whole point of a gravel bike? If you want a more comfortable road bike, then get an endurance bike with fat tyres on it. If you wanna go offroad then get a XC mountain bike. Gravel bikes maybe make sense in USA where there are tons of unpaved roads. Here in UK you either get short fire tracks which may be smooth for only a couple of miles at most or you get single track trails which you really need a mountain bike for.
For better or worse, there appears to be niches developing within the gravel bike genre. Which means all-rounder bikes, which once made up the bulk of the genre, now sit in the middle, gravel race bikes such as this one, sit at one extereme and bike touring/packing rigs sit at the other. While you could argue that it's all crafty marketing, I see it as choice. The up side is, lessons learned from the expensive race bike end of the spectrum are filtering through the rest of the genre, weight saving probably being the most useful one.
It’s kinda almost what I have been wanting.... aero, more road geo, different, but was hoping “gravel light” low weight 700c wheels and 32c tires..... a road bike first but can do smoother hard pack dirt roads and fairly fine gravel fast.
Great review ;D !! Someone had to say it ! I actually like the look of the bendy frame? But for the money? You can get something way more reasonable. Many bikes on that list actually. Dogma is great, but eeeh... I don’t think I’d get Pinarello gravel bike even if I had the money.
Deym! This is the most honest review of this bike I've seen so far. I like this guy. 😅 Anyway, If I have an extra budget, I'll still buy this bike just to be different. 😊
Nice commentary on the gravel phenomenon. I think it's the light weight of a modern gravel bike which makes it so very versatile and a real revolution in cycling whereas MTBs are tankish and can become a burden in bikepacking or long-distance scenarios. Compromise is always the name of the game.
Very good honest review, I've just sold my gravel bike for all of the reason above. We don't have any proper "gravel" in the UK if I'm riding single track I'm better on a MTB.
Super honest review. Style over substance. It must be hard for a manufacturer like Pinarello to relinquish their road heritage to get into the gravel scene. When they are bringing out their no suss MTB range with Dura Ace Di2?! Lol!
i had a Giant Anyroad (gravel/cross bike) and a Giant Fathom (HT mountain bike) and i was able to ride the Anyroad everywhere i could ride my Fathom with ease.
Totally different from any mtb, there is no comparison and fat tires don't make a mtn bike. Then again I guess it depends on what kind of trails you ride. Also, the review is descent, but it seems the reviewer is very much a roadie.
Great review, and it raises the interesting point about so called gravel bike thing, it really is a touring thing that is ideal for pottering around on unmade roads. If you want to go fast, as this bike seems to be built for, suspension is a must have. It's just simple physics, F1 cars and GP motorcycles wouldn't dream of running without some form of suspension and they run on billiard table smooth tarmac. If you want to go fast on rough roads suspension is an essential element in keeping the wheels in contact with the surface for better traction, comfort is is simply an added benefit. So, Pinarello building an aero bike for gravel without suspension is pretty pointless, just get a mountain bike or simply enjoy the scenery at a leisurely pace, because you just can't have both.
excellent review! Like all Pinarellos it looks fabulous but I entirely accept that it's too much on the stiff side for a proper gravel bike. Maybe it gets you onto gravel from your Dogma F12 but you'd soon need something more forgiving when you get onto the more technical stuff.
I agree with all comments! One thing I would say, I am looking for a gravel bike and it is a long hard job! I am more confused after so many reviews. I love Italian bikes and as long as they re hand made I am ok with them. With that said, I like the pinarello gravel bike but I am not sure if it will be a good buy. I was also looking at a Pivot and moots titanium too. I have not decided on which gravel to buy.
Matthew should go work for Road.cc they're obsessed with value for money. Pinarello are an aspirational brand and they cost more, same like a watch seiko or cartier. The problem with bikes is that they often share the same common components like drivetrains and shifters (you can lower the chain ring sizes with absolute black sub compact rings btw) but a bike is more than the sum of it's parts. They will sell to people that want a bike with Pinarello down the side of the frame, if you want a frame set that has a different name on it depending on where it's being sold go buy a Ribble ,Tifosi or Dolan. It's also hard comparing gravel with mtb, I'm knocking on strava KOMS off road constantly on my gravel bike because the trails are too tame for an MTB.
For context, it would be helpful if you would show in your video the type of technical terrain that you feel is a bridge too far for this bike. Because it almost sounds like you are criticizing it for not handling the type of trails that really call for a mountain bike in the first place. Which is not the type of riding I really associate with a gravel bike.
Hmm... coming from viewing GCN I am surprised that BikeRadar offers opinions which are down-to-earth and fact based and not so marketing driven. So... the very expensive Grevil is a nice looking semi-gravel look-alike for those who are not really into gravel biking (but more faking it). Whowuddathought!? Maybe the Grail or the new Trek deliver more value for money.
At 2:58 you mention that the clutch 'seems to work' and that you 'don't feel the shifting is any heavier'. Looking at the rear mech in the supporting B-roll, the clutch wasn't engaged, which would account for shifting feeling just like it normally would. ;-) I personally own a bike with an RX800 rear mech on it, and if you engage the clutch shifting does get a wee bit heavier. I run a 1x11 setup so I can't comment on front shifts, although I'd expect a small-to-big shift to be a little heavier than usual. That being said, having little to no chain slap makes it more than worth it, and it's nothing huge.
I swapped wheels just before filming and I might have forgot to flip it back, I was riding with it on otherwise. I haven't found it to have much effect on shifting. -Matthew
@@mcba the difference in (rear) shifts is very little. If you really test with and without clutch back-to-back it's noticeable, but if you'd just hop on and ride you probably wouldn't be able to tell just from shifting whether or not the clutch is engaged or not.
Pinarello bikes remind me of Chinese design philosophy found on many cheap department store bikes. Those crazy lines seem to be made to impress rather than provide any functional advantage.
Tough review, but a good one! The only thing I would say is that "Pinarello" and "value for money" have consistently been at odds with each other in a sentence. So in that respect, everything about this bike makes sense because this is truly an emotional purchase because you need to be well equipped with a Dogma and Grevil seasucker'd utop your Alfa Romero Giulia Quadrifoglio to set the scene correctly, and in that image alone it all makes sense even if looking at it from the outside, none of it makes sense.
I'd love some reviews of more... mid tier bikes, I'm not avid enough of a cyclist to buy something this expensive or some of the other bikes that have been featured lately
Imo putting out a gravel bike with a 50/34 says a lot about what type of riding they are aiming it at. I'm a light guy and relatively fit and regularly need the 30-32 on my gravel bike when off road. Also how on earth did they manage over 9kg.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're smoothening air flow near the caliper (making it more laminar), wouldn't you also be lowering the coefficient of convection? Turbulent air flow leads to a larger convection rate (all things being equal), no? so...whatever aerogains you might have in that area of the bike, you might be losing out on brake cooling
This bike is like Maserati or Ferrari among cars. Beautiful design and lots of details. Al in all great bike. With that come (high) price. Sad for me, becouse i can only dream 🙂
I've got a roadbike, but with a wide straight handlebar, medium sized tyres. ... Wouldn't just throwing an aerobar on a straight bar be better off road and good for roadracing too?
italian bb can unthread only one side. bsa can unthread both. and that's good because your legs have more force then 50NM and that's why they will unthread a stuck bearing instead if damaging the thread in the frame...
I love the honesty in this review. Pinarello really deserve to be put in their place - this is a hilarious mismatch of specs vs price, just like the Prince. The bike looks like someone already lost control with it at high speed on those 'mediocre handlebars'...
Adequate but not amazing.... I feel that way about a ton of complete builds now, especially in the MTB scene. Companies are cheaping out everywhere they can.
@@hogdog567 Ride a road bike and you will say never. I have a gravel. When you ride off road it is preferable to have a strong frame not a aerodynamic carbon frame.
0:25 What does "truncated airfoil sections because air doesn't really know the difference" mean? That truncated airfoil sections is the same as full airfoil sections aerodynamically?
classic. best and most truthfull words in that review are "they took dogma, tweeked some geometry, fit in fat tyres and are like - here you go" thats what i feel about this companies that are not connected to the reality of gravel riding, they cannot make a bike without that connection, instead they just produce another carbon hugely overpriced toy just to have a "gravel bike" in a portfolio. stick to your lane leave that segment to people who knows what they are doing
Loved the review, hated seeing the same shots over and over again. Please film enough material to keep it original throughout, otherwise very enjoyable.
Some nice tech undoubtedly. But honestly,there’s a huge hole in the market for no gimmick carbon gravel bikes with stable geo/2x/Di2...at a reasonable price!
