Pink Floyd AI "Animation" winner is worse than you think 

I'm the "Alvaro Lomba" behind the volumetric caustics simulations entry. Thank you very much for the recognition!

The competition organizers are the real wrong doers here, it was incredibly unethical even without the added layer of selecting an ai generated video as a winner. I mean I wouldn't want to be that guy who made the ai video but he's just the tip of the iceberg

the fact that he uploaded a video for every song is so damning

This may be silly conspiracy, but it really does make me wonder if the judges or were paid or sponsored by an ai generator company to select an ai winner just to try and convince people that they can get money if they use ai. Deviantart does the same thing. They promote their ai users earnings in efforts to promote their ai generator.

As a IT bachelor, majored in new generation of AI models, i can without a doubt, ASSURE you, that this man did not actually train his own model. This would be the general pipeline if he did: 1. Find at least few milion images that correspond to what you generally need. If the model is made for one specific pourpose and one specific prompt in mind, it doesn't require as many as stable diffusion due to the fact that we only want one style of images, in one theme. Still, even with the best internet connection, it would take a really long time to even find those images, let alone keep them for future use. If we want different styles as the man made, we would require more and more milions of images. It's not possible for him to create a model on his work alone, and buying enough copyrights would bankrupt even the top1%. 2. Pre-process the images. Images come in different formats, sizes and trying to build an AI that can take in every possible size and format exponentially increases workload for those poor programmers that will create the model. Also, if the model is supposed to generate 10 different results by using a prompt (Or if we want to group the images for 10 different models) those images will require tagging, which is basically attaching key words to every single one of those images. Doing it by hand is not possible due to the amount of them, and hiring another model for detecting things on the images may prove costly for a single person. I can assure you, it would cost more than 10k $. One image is cheap, a lot less than 1 cent. anything more than a milion may prove costly. 3. Program the model. I don't think i have to explain that for a model to create an animation, dude would need to either be a extradimentional being, or hire an entire team of experienced engineers in those types of models. Spoilter alert. AI engineers don't come cheap. Especially experienced ones. 4. Train the model. This is very much automatic process, but for it to get any results within this lifespan, let alone before the deadline of the competition, dude would need a supercomputer. A beast of a personal computer requires little less than a 1 day to teach simple and very efficient AI to draw black and white eyes in 256x256 resolution. Colorful, 2k images with few different objects? More than few weeks. Turn those images into actual animations, and expanding the possibilities of the model further, with different styles and even more objects? I think you can extrapolate that much. This only accounts for a situation where everything went smoothly, no issues no bugs, god and anime is on his side. HOWEVER. With all of that said. Fine tuning stable diffusion is a lot easier than you think. By using a very smart system called LoRa, adding new keywords to the model and being very skilled at that, can result in amazing things in less than a week worth of work. I myself did that for some extra credit. Not hard at all, there are a lot of tutorials on that available online. tl:dr -> Creating a new model is impossible. Fine tuning is easier than most folks would like to admit. Thank you and good night! :>

If you want to protect your work even more effectively the team that made Glaze now also has Nightshade, a tool that can actually damage AI models' understanding of what certain descriptive terms mean, thereby incentivizing their owners to actually request consent before scraping.

If the 'judges' didn't know it was AI-generated... they have no business judging art competitions period!

It's absolutely insane that this won and one of the terrible things about it is that it's completely over shadowed the winning submissions as everyone is just talking about the AI one

AI bros trying not to be scumbags challenge

The one thing in the video(s) that was *definitely* done by a human is the Windows Movie Maker-ass title captions. Awful colour and font choices, and the background is straight out of the 2000s.

Great stuff!!!! Pink floyd should be ashamed. The judges in particular. Terry Gilliam ( who was one judge ) likely voted for this slop.. That is also extremely disappointing.

Clear. Comprehensive. Informative. Amazing video. … What’s happening right now to creative industries is disgusting.

This youtube video is much better and artful than his submissions. Congrats!

Thanks for so many warm and positive comments! 😯 I'm reading them all. I got some feedback that it was too hard to find Álvaro Lomba's submission, so I've added it as a "i" card in the upper right corner. You can also find it in the description.

Honestly if a contest does not explicitly, and visibly, rule out any kind of AI submission, I do not get involved. They aren't worth the effort that would go into it. The worst part about the winning submission is that it isn't even any good, AI or not. It's the graphical equivalent of lexical noise.

Disappointed to hear this news. Thank you for posting.

i'm so happy that someone is actually talking about this, i havent seen anyone talking about it so far and you did it perfectly. earned my subscribe.

messing around with stable diffusion and training loras is pretty fun and imo pretty cool but it should never ever be passed for human art... or even be considered something you can own and sell. It's just a generation. Everyone and no one made it, so everyone and no one gets to own it.

I like your video. The subject matter, your style, and most of what you were saying. I'm surprised you don't have more subscribers.

Hey, could link that playlist with all the animation entries. I'm interested in viewing the runner ups.

Really good video! Very informative and well spoken, and really well edited. A geniunely good video in a genre that's super oversatured with slop. Also I love your avatar it reminds me of Nyx from Hades

Would loe to see the competition entry you preferred over the ai slop. are you able to link. Searched but couldn't find ☹

Amazing video, very well explained. Shame on the members of the jury, it's a punch in the face of all the artists who spent numerous hours/months creating real art. I hope that the winner will get sued into oblivion, some day when it comes out how AI developers train their machines with copyright material.

Im actually not against using ai to speed up work flow. But, imo it shouldnt be used in any competition.

Side note but I really love the way your avatar looks, very cool! Subscribed

I was genuinely convinced he actually did sh*t with Blender. I thought he created the shapes in Blender and used AI to create colours and shape on top of it and use the randomness as inspiration. Very sad that it turns out he didn't

can you link Alvaro Lomba's submission?

What i hate the most is, that song title at the first second of the video, its f ing ugly

This whole situation was an absolute travesty if you ask me. The fact that PINK FLOYD of all people are trying to mooch free labour out of artists, that so many people submitted AI prompts, that AI submissions weren't outright banned, that the judges are somehow stupid enough to choose an AI submission as a winner... I have no respect for anyone involved, and I think it's so fucking embarrassing that musicians cry about AI audio and then turn around and support it in visual mediums. Brilliant display of absolutely no solidarity between groups that should have each others backs.

10 out of 10 times someone says they trained their own model, it's just a fine tuned LORA over Stable Diffusion. Training a model from scratch requires computational power compared to entire render farms or bit mining floors. It's not something you can do from your laptop while playing Minecraft in another window.

I nearly spent 3 months making an entry, glad I didn't bother now

great video, thanks for the breakdown

AI *MUST* be distorted by any means necessary

On my channel I have a Pink Floyd music video made from clips of an anime. I make it crystal clear where I am sourcing the work so it falls under fair use. Projects that use AI should also have some means to credit the work of the artists that went into training the model. Trouble is, that is damn near every artist on earth, so AI corpos should have their work cut out for them.

You went viral on twitter, congrats

AI SHOULD HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED FROM SUBMISSION! It’s like winning the Nobel. Prize for literature using a ghost writer!

finding the video you praised was kind of annoying, but I agree that was a cool piece.

Very interested video, subscribed!

I think it would be an effective way to send a message, that AI art isn't art, nor is it welcome, if large scale contest like these would flat-out and immediately stamp these with *[Disqualified for AI Generated]* but the sad truth is, usually the contest holders aren't visual artists themselves, so they simply don't _see_ the problem. On another note, I'm sick of how AI-bro's are so full of themselves. _"Oh yeah, _*_I was very good_*_ at clicking the button on the machine that did the entire thing for me. Good job, me!"_ 🙄

So... the part with the truck sticking out of a wall ... that's half life 2 episode 1. there's so much theft going on of both ideas AND art here. This guy should be banned from ever doing anything remotely labeled for sale or 'art'. lol and that other one in the list of all the entries: that's Gman from Half Life: Alyx. how are people thinking that this is okay?

An AI generated video _may_ be copyrightable in Great Britain, but it also _may_ violate copyright laws over there to use it to make money. One of the clips you showed looked more like a fractal video than modern AI art; still low-effort, but not unethical, since fractals don't usually require someone to take other's art.

I more or less agree with the statements in this video. However, slot machines and AI sampling are apples and oranges. A reasonable assumption using a slot machine is that we are sampling over a uniform distribution, whereas with a diffusion generator we are manipulating the distribution through a variety of means. So it's like the difference between someone gambling and someone rigging the dice. If you reduce CFG to zero, but keep denoising strength at 1, you get a slot machine. Btw, if our AI-guy had spent a large amount of time on the piece, would that make it respectable?

U a real one

Not true everybody has to use a/I one way or another. So I'm calling cap to you

1 I oppose IP legislation. 2 yes he put low effort, I acknowledge that, you are 100% right, others put time and sweat into theirs, this guy pooped his out (literally). It is still good. Sad reality is that AI is scary good these days and will soon take over. Instead or targetting this guy, why don't you call for AI to be open source or regulate it?

awesome video! super disappointed in Pink Floyd for letting ai slop win considering their rich history with great art and animators in the past, I'm happy more people are talking about it and calling them out for this

Great to see LGBT+ RU-vidrs making great content on here. Nothing can stop you Stealcase!🏳‍🌈

This seems like a contest MADE to set precedent for AI winning in a "valid " way while getting FREE work without realizing maybe how PISSED people would be...that or dont care.

The video is great, thanks, but it is of my understanding that both Glaze and Nightshade are useless snake oil. Aren’t they? Edit: Sometimes it feels like the folks at U Chicago are playing the same game as OpenAI and Stability, stealing code for early versions of GLAZE and ignoring detractors who genuinely want to know their shit works.

We don't even know how dangerous such applications are, we stumble across con-men who show us.

I actually believed for a moment he did train the AI on his own work. It's still lazy and shouldn't be called animation, but shame on me. Also YAY Nightshade!

Stuff like this got me thinking I have to be a garbage person to pay the bills

It's honestly disgusting to see this AI crap get awarded. On the other hand the Brain Damage music video is amazing and beautiful- actually amazing art

Idk i found the video worked pretty well reminded me of kglw iron lung

Another sad attempt at a human being trying to take credit for an Artificial Intelligence's art. Blasphemy. Ngl any contest including artists and animators should exclude AI altogether...

How do you steal art that is published for free on the internet?

Womp womp

skill gap

Naw. Get over it. Y'all need to stop complaining when AI art wins a competition it was allowed to enter in the first place.

I’m what you would call slot gambler. My contest video was created 100% with AI. I have no artistic skill what so ever, but there is a reason why I started to work with these AI videos. I do music licensing somewhat normally. All little commercial music jobs are disappearing(AI or my music is not good enough anymore?) and I alway wanted to make videos for my music this was my chance to do something remotely close to that. I’m really slow and detailed as old people sometimes are and I been out of work last year. I took a loan so I can pay all my software licences for 6 months and I put 800 hours on this video. I figured track is called “Time” so what would be more valuable to give to this project that my time. Looking back at the project, I’m very happy with it and I still think it looks amazing. And I learn new skill last year? Or can you call it a skill? Or did I just waisted my year on nonsense? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PTMnrxigMfo.htmlsi=nzRjdn-R89ZWaU2-

Don't like the a.i.