Condolences to those lost and injured. The fatal victim so far was one of the passengers. Although the pilot is reported to be very severely burned. His prognosis is probably not good. The other passenger is in critical condition. From what I’ve heard from some family, the pilot did an amazing job of not hitting any houses. He somehow managed to put it down in a clear spot in 2 backyards. Just missing a pair of stored boats. At about the farthest spot from any house within the limited space. Keep them all in your prayers.
Terribly sorry to hear about the loss of life. I am positive that the pilot did everything possible to protect the people on board and the surrounding area as well. I pray the injured recover soon.
@@LincolnLagger The panicked screams of Mayday I’m on fire! Threw him off for a few seconds. Understandably so. But he recovered quickly. Overall he did a superb job. That sinking feeling on the phone or radio when you realize there is nothing you can do is horrible.
I disagree. He did awful, he missed calls, he told that plane to "hover" then kind of got frustrated with him when he did, and sent traffic in directly over the accident. In my opinion he won't be a controller tomorrow morning.
This is truly one of the worst case scenarios for a GA pilot. Low to the ground in a populated area with an engine fire. My condolences to all involved.
Airplane of fire is one of the very few situations where being low is better than high. The critical parameter is time to land, and even if you are close to a runway you may need to take the decision to land off field in order to land sooner. Literally seconds can be the difference between surviving or not. The higher you are the longer it takes.
@@adb012 with an engine fire at altitude you have a much higher chance of being able to put the fire out. You have time to cut off the gas and electrical and descend to put the fire out, when at low altitude there is no chance for this
@@adb012 I'd rather have SOME altitude and be able to glide to the airport. Likely a fuel or oil leak that caused the full engine failure. Fly an idle approach when able. Then, if the engine quits, you can still make it.
@@mikahsanders4612 ... I was thinking of uncontrollable fires. I've heard of a few cases where the fire progressed into the cabin quite quickly and the people was burning inside of the flying plane.
There's a video floating around of one of the guys in the aftermath of the crash whose skin looks absolutely rekt, don't know if he'll make it :/ looks like some serious third degree burns
@@armoredgaming2352 He’s still alive. The passengers were a mother and daughter on a sightseeing trip. If I had to guess from this, the mother may no longer be with us: “When she stepped out of her home after the crash she said she could hear one of the victims frantically calling for her mother.” One perished at the scene. Very sad.
Just covered this one from the ground but couldn’t find the tail number. Aircraft was in bad shape. Hopefully a speedy recovery for the two flown out and condolences to the families.
This is doubly disturbing. I flew N8149R many years ago, back in 2002, and checking my logbook, I found the entry which reads in the Remarks... stall warn intermittent, right brake spongy, fumes in cabin, rough engine, broken seat. I remember that flight distinctly, with pretty serious engine fumes shortly after liftoff under normal attitude climb out (no high angle of attack / high temperature slow flight); I remember I came within seconds of requesting a turn back for an immediate landing, until it cleared on its own. I also remember that the plane was even then, as the logbook remarks show, falling apart, but the rental rates were the best around for a Piper, so I ignored the barely operating stall warning, the right brake in desperate need of service, and whatever caused the engine problem on climb out. Smoke (or even just strong fumes) in the cabin are every pilot's nightmare, and that was one of the most serious mechanical incidents for me at the time, at only about 100 total hours. What these people went through I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. RIP and good recovery.
It’s amazing some of the things we find acceptable early in our flying career just to get one more hour in the logbook. I can recall some pretty scary situations/airplanes in my early years. No way I’d take such risks today. There’s something to be said for age, wisdom, and experience. A fire on board an aircraft like this is by far a worst nightmare scenario. My heart goes out to those involved.
The 23-year-old pilot is a license-led and certified flight instructor from the Bronx, according to an attorney for a flight school at Republic Airport. He suffered burns to 75% of his body. The two passengers were a 63-year-old mother and a 33-year-old daughter who bought tickets for the tour through Groupon. (Apparently, one of them was the victim). - ABC7 New York
Oh my Lord, that is gut-wrenching. This flight must have been something very meaningful to them both, as a 60 mother taking her 30 year old daughter to see MCR next week, tickets bought a year ago.. the age gap between the Mom and daughter here, and the thought that this was a special outing, a treat, hits extra, extra hard. That the two of them went up, how excited they must have been, and only one of them came back, the other left with life-changing injuries, and the horror and fear they must have felt. Life can be so unfair and downright cruel.
Update: it was the mother who passed according to News 12 New Jersey. “A woman from White House Station has been identified as the person who died in a plane crash on Long Island. Officials say that two other people were injured, including the daughter of the woman who died.”
Rarely do these videos make me cry. Fires in flight are horror. I guess we have to take the positive perspective: having seen footage from the crash site it's a miracle that two people survived (and hopefully will recover).
@@virginiaviola5097 Yes, though fire IMO is more cruel somehow: with ice a proficient pilot can know when it may form and what to do in order to avoid it affecting the flight negatively. With fire it feels unfair how the most conscientious pilots can have the rug pulled from under them with no fault of their own.
Flight Instructor out of KFRG for the last 2 years. There are not many places to land off field near this airport. Prayers to all involved. A very somber day in the community.
Given how dense the area is in houses, commercial buildings and really busy streets it’s amazing to the point of miraculous that he put it down hitting nothing but a backyard fence.
This is my best friend Fayzul chowdury I am going to be making a go fund me for him we started flight school together and flew many times great pilot and even greater friend I’m a cfi as well and Im distraught beyond belief he really did do the best he could I saw him at the hospital today and He’s in pretty rough shape Praying he gets better
My home airport-this was brutal. There are not a lot of places to land outside the airport in an emergency until you get further away. Thoughts with all the folks involved in this.
Same here. Its very sad. And sadly, if you are based here, you probably know the owner and the school, and are not surprised that this sad event happened.
Thank you as always for posting and raising awareness. My home airport and the plane I soloed in back in 2005. Very sad situation for all of the FRG community. Quite honestly it's a miracle 2 of the 3 survived given the impact and photos. 1 loss of life is too much, but it could have been much worse. :(
This is heart-crushing. This happened about 2 hours after I landed from a training flight out of FRG. I don't know the pilot but I do have time in that plane. I don't know what to say...
If you don't mind me asking, what flight school is this? I see who it's registered to but didn't know they operated a school. Just private jets. It's why I ask. I fly from KFRG as well.
My house is directly under the final approach for runway 32 and during the day it's just small plane after small plane maybe 400ft overhead, plus some business jets and the occasional 737. Seems like a miracle this plane didn't hit any homes, I can only assume the pilot did what he could to avoid that. Hope he and his passenger are on the road to recovery.
I always say - I've flown more 360's than takeoffs and landings combined at FRG. It's absolutely nonstop at peak hours, and you'll easily burn 30-45 minutes in taxi time. Can't tell you how many times I've been spun on short final.
ill give a bit more info since i saw the smoke out my house window and actually take flight lessons out of republic. at about 3:15, the call came in that this happened.. there were 2 separate suffolk county helicopters that airlifted the 2 survivors. i ended up having a lesson at 6pm and at about 7:45 when i came in for a landing on 32 the road was still blocked off, its really sad to see this happen especially when you live 5 miles from this, sending all my condolences.
That’s so awful, 2 miles is so close, but so far away in an emergency. Poor pilot and pax. And to ATC and all the other pilots who witnessed the event, you all did a stellar job.
This plane was the one I did my intro in back in April of 2019. Saw it every day I went to fly. The instructors at this school and mine always get along and are honesty the best people I have ever met.
Especially at FRG. Within a couple miles of the airport there are very few places to land in an emergency. Where this plane was-there was an elementary school field and that is about it.
Condolences to those that passed and who were injured. Also to family and friends. Perhaps someone with aircraft knowledge could make a video of possible causes of engine fire and what to look for on the pre-flight. Perhaps another tragedy like this can be prevented.
I lived not too far from there for a long time. It's a miracle he managed not to hit any homes or buildings. According to New12 Long Island, pilot's in critical condition. Tried to post link to story but my comment was auto-deleted.
8149R called emergency over out bank islands. Would the better choice have been to land immediately on the roadway there rather than continuing the approach to FRG?
That's a really tough call if you don't know whether your engine will completely fail in the next few minutes. Off-airport landing is always risky whereas you'd 100% be fine over an airport.
@@zlmdragon. In this particular case the choices were ditch in the bay, marshy islands, the divided parkway, or continue to the airport. No fields were to be had. Still I'm curious - what of these was the best choice when you're 6 miles from the airport and smoke is coming from your engine?
Me personally I've always told myself if I have any significant smoke and a remotely reasonable landing location I'm putting the airplane down immediately. I'm not familiar with the area but there may not have been a lot of options.
@@FencerPTS ... It is tough because a lot of things may be causing smoke that will not cause any big fire. A piece of wire, plastic or rudder touching a hot engine part, for example. Or a smoldering short circuit. In hindsight, it is easy to say that he should have landed off-field ASAP. But he didn't have back then the information that we do have now. Me? Smoke I go as quickly as possible to the nearest runway. Fire I land in the best place I can find right here.
"We have to get these planes on the ground." Tough job for Tower to continue working after the crash; I assume it was a remote airport where they couldn't simply shut down and divert all inbound aircraft? RIP to the soul lost. 😶
It is right by New York. It's so busy that Republic Tower regularly sequence aircrafts outside of its class D airspace. Diverting all the aircraft will put too much strain on busy airspace around it.
Prayers for the pilot's loved ones, and for the two survivors... very tragic. ARFF World covered this too, but from a firefighter's viewpoint. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4Bx_n-6fb0c.html
Heart goes out to the controller and those on board. Controller did a great job under extreme duress and the pilot took burns to 75% of his body, I'm certain he did the best he could. Gut wrenching. Very sad.
Fuck, that mayday sent genuine chills down my spine. The panic and fear was palpable, its something I hope to never hear in my career over the radio... Or worse, have to say it myself.
Engine fires are some of the most dangerous occurrences in GA because it's in your line of sight and it will spread to the cabin. Be aware of the smell and color of the smoke: plastic or ozone with white smoke usually indicates electrical fire, fuel fumes and black smoke indicate an engine fire. Cutting off the resources of the fire should be your top priority because aircraft deterioration happens quickly in a fire.
Unfortunately you don't have many options with an engine fire, side slip to keep the flames away, try to blow it out in a dive, stop the source like you said
@@rdawgz866 an electrical fire can be dealt with in short order and you can continue to land. An engine/fuel fire like you said may only give you seconds to get on the ground. Had the instructor recognized that it was a fuel fire, it would have given him the visibility and time to pick a landing spot if he went ahead and cut off the fuel and glided. Instead he tried to sprint to the field and it cost him.
@Dave Crupel what I'm highlighting is that he chose to attempt to make it to the airfield instead of landing as soon as possible. It isn't panic. It is a realistic evaluation of the time that you have left. You have almost no time in a fuel fire, so landing quickly is the priority. Road, field, parking lot, just get it on the ground.
This tail number is familiar to me. I'm pretty sure I flew this Warrior as a student pilot over a decade ago. RIP to the deceased passenger, speedy recovery to the two survivors and controller working this flight.
I’m thinking he maybe could’ve landed on Ocean Parkway. Usually not busy but at least no overpasses. I have no idea how the hell you line up for that though.
Everyone did a spectacular job, sometimes things can not be avoided. Condolences to the family of the person who lost their life, and wishing a speedy and full recovery to the survivors.
This is always rough to watch. But I always have to commend the controllers. From the cockpit, I always say, "Remember, we only have one to worry about." Regardless of the situation, the controller has to keep their head in the game and guide all the other aircraft to safety. And that is something else.
It's crazy how there are certain things that can be said over the radio that just make it all sink in. One of those things is "radar contact lost." Another one of those things is "nobody speak unless spoken to".
A sad day at my home airport. I have over 400hrs logged out of this airport. Sadly as I know (not personally) who owned the aircraft, I am not surprised that this happened. It still haunts me hearing this audio. Rest in peace to the passenger who died, and prayers to the CFI and daughter who survived.
So sad. The JFK class Bravo and ISP Class-C airspace forces pilots operating in this area to fly at 1500ft maximum above ground level unless they can get permission from ATC to fly higher in the class B/C. That's not really practical when the intention is a local flight departing and arriving back at KFRG. There is a little sliver where they declared the emergency that there isn't ATC restricted airspace above, but for all intents and purposes their altitude in that area is limited. Of course as a sightseeing flight, higher altitudes are not preferred anyway. 1000-1500ft of altitude makes it a split second decision on where the airplane is going to end up in an engine failure. Basically, the airplane is going to be on the ground about 1.5-2miles from the point of failure depending on the winds and how quickly the pilot reacts and sets up for the best glide scenario. I can't imagine that was easy with the engine on fire. In more open airspace, I only fly at 1000-1500ftagl when I'm very near an airport. Altitude is my friend. I like to learn from these sort of incidents and think 'what would I do.' Having flown in this area a good bit, my plan at the first sign of the smoke would be to declare an emergency and immediately climb into the Bravo to get as much altitude as possible. Depending on the severity of the smoke, engine instrument indications, and smoothness, I would have very likely turned back toward the beach where there are large landable parking lots which are nearly empty this time of year, the ocean parkway when is straight and mostly open and also the beach... There are just so few unobstructed emergency landing options in the suburbs. Condolences to all involved.
I’ve heard so many horror stories from this flight school.. what a cheap owner/ flight school.. this could’ve been avoided if they weren’t so cheap with their maintenance. they need to shut this school down.
I hope to see the report on this tragic event. There are so many safeguards for fire, I would like to understand what went wrong. It will likely point to the last couple of A&P's that touched the airplane.....whether it is their fault or not.
@@Factory400 ... Final reports and public dockets with all the specialized reports are also publicly available in NTSB's the website for anybody in the world. No FOIA needed.
I was working dispatch at my flight school at republic when we heard the tragedy. Unfortunately the aircraft was owned by one of the other flight schools. Farmingdale is one if not the busiest GA Airport in the northeast and has a huge flight training presence. So to know that someone perished doing what they love and trying to become a pilot is to extremely frightening. It makes you feel guilty and realize that we take for granted how enjoyable and rewarding aviation can be. But we must remember to be always alert and responsible pilots. Accidents unfortunately happen and all we can do is move forward and continue to grow as aviators. My thoughts are with the victim and their family.
What caused the engine to flame? Incorrect fuel mixture or? Was there any ways to survive this unfortunate event? Condolences to the family and the ones involved 🙏🏽
Victor, you left out the part where this aircraft was on short final and got broken out and sent 8 miles away from the airport on an extended downwind before turning back in again. Republic is a zoo and always has a ton of aircraft in the pattern. Maybe some changes need to be made so that aircraft aren’t sent so far out of gliding distance when operating here.
I assume that happened before he declared his issue, right? If so, it’s hard to see how you can guarantee to keep every aircraft within gliding distance at all times…
@@MikeGranby yes before he declared. At CDW the tower never sends folks 8 miles out on downwind, and limits the number of aircraft in the pattern. They are much quicker to tell new arrivals “unable closed traffic” to keep things under control. FRG seems to have a goal of accommodating as many aircraft as possible, leaving lots of folks in sketchy positions on extended downwind.
if there is I don't know of one. We carry a fire extinguisher between the seats but that's it. Checklist procedures have methods (cutting off fuel supply) to try and extinguish in flight.
I fly out of FRG and honestly this is worst case scenario. If you can’t land on one of the runways or maybe the highways you’re pretty much screwed. It’s a densely populated area. Just listening to this triggered an adrenaline rush
