Piper PA-31T Cheyenne II Crash Lafayette, Louisiana 28 Dec 2019

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LINKS:
Kathryn's Report: (Includes NTSB Brief)
www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/12...
Aviation Safety Network Report:
aviation-safety.net/wikibase/...
The Aviation Consumer PA-31T Review:
www.aviationconsumer.com/airc...
1978 NTSB PA-31T Accident Report
(Note: SAS system subsequently modified)
libraryonline.erau.edu/online-...
2nd NTSB brief:
• NTSB Vice Chairman Bru...

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@easttexan2933 4 года назад

Juan, I am well acquainted with the tragedy and grief of a plane crash. Sept 30, 1966 will always be with me. That was the day I lost my high school sweetheart and my good friend (pilot) in a Cessna 172 crash near Hempstead, TX. They had left Woodville in East Texas on that Friday evening headed to College Station and never made it. He became disoriented in a cold front passing through and flew the airplane upside down into the trees. I was a pall bearer to both funerals. It haunts me to this day. My heart goes out to the families of these folks. One just doesn't get over these things easily if at all. God bless.

@JohnLobbanCreative 4 года назад

These reports are so much more valuable than anything on mainstream media where they speculate but don’t give much insight. Thanks Juan!

@Art65483 4 года назад

Juan, thank you for your content. I have been out of flying for several decades and as a rusty pilot, just getting back into it, I can see that my initial training left much to be desired. The future of safe general aviation is greatly served by what you and several others are doing.

@maximummarklee 4 года назад

Hi Juan, my day is never complete without seeing your face! Your description reminded me of an Aftermath episode when an experienced pilot suffered a heart attack while in rotation. He keeled over onto the stick, forcing it to the left, and the aircraft began a short left-hand corkscrew into the ground - barely a 90-degree turn very similar to this incident's flight path.

@gregc6661 4 года назад

Thank you Juan, this is another very tragic accident. Wishing you and your family the best for 2020, look forward to more videos of your flights and trail rides with young Pete!

@daffidavit 4 года назад

Thank you Juan for the hard work. God bless their souls. Let's hope those who were injured get better soon.

@SmittySmithsonite 4 года назад

Thanks for the detailed information as always, plus the links in the description - great as always. Such a sad situation, as they all are. Praying for a better 2020 in this regard. Thanks for all you do, Juan. Been an extremely informative, and fun year here on your channel. It exploded this year! Congrats on that! You and the family have a Happy, Healthy, Prosperous, and Safe New Year. We'll see ya here in 2020! Blue skies, tailwinds, and zero turbulence! 🍻

@INFOOL7 4 года назад

Sad that there are lots of crashes lately keeping you very busy. I really appreciate your scientific approach. Despite it being almost completely undetectable( and rightfully so) I think that you are quite moved by the recent continual tragic loss of life. It's very difficult work but your solid factual reporting will save many lives. Prayers for you and your family that you will be protected from despair and all anxiety.

@richc47us 4 года назад

thank You again JB! You are like family to many of us who don't even know you but trust always. the Best this coming year to and your family!

@doctorartphd6463 4 года назад

A prosperous and healthy New Year....... Thank you, Juan.

@vetere0599 4 года назад

Thank You Juan. I love how you never blame your pilot brothers and sisters and always explain different possible causes. God be with the passengers and pilot and their families. Again, I hope 2020 will be a better year for the aviation industry. Happy New Year to you Jenny and the kiddos.

@natanhernandez1513 4 года назад

thanks!! Juan for the update. Our prayers and thoughts for the people who lost their lives in this accident.

@carloscortes5570 4 года назад

Juan! THANKS!! For always taking time to inform and teach us all about aviation.no one does it better .I've learned tons of cool stuff from your videos.wish you and your family a very Happy New Year!I also pray for your health and fast recovery so you get your medical certification back soon! God bless!

@barryhansen6854 4 года назад

Thanks for that update Juan I was one of one asking about this event, hope your family have a great New Years Celibration see you in the New Year from NZ.

@TheVertigoalley 4 года назад

Appreciate your thoughtful analysis and helpful illustrations. Keep up the good work; I’ve learned a lot from you.

@Ed_in_Md 4 года назад

Thank you for another very professional and informative video. Sad that there have been so many incidents lately. Have a happy and safe New Year.

@The305Garage 4 года назад

I was waiting for this video. Very sad incident Juan.

@glennbalent5153 4 года назад

Thanks Juan, excellent video! Happy New Year to you and yours! 🎉

@brucelund5788 4 года назад

Sad to hear of another accident, but watching your video's is a blessing in that, well it's kinda like ground school for dummies, I took some lessons when I was young and have always loved planes and their use, but now through your channel and some others, after 50 years since any flight training, I am starting to understand so much more than I ever did before, thanks Juan

@elffirrdesign2063 4 года назад

Excellent report as usual Mr Brown. Best of luck in the new year.

@gregleeder4979 4 года назад

Excellent synopsis, as usual! Thanks Juan!

@kathy13volpe 4 года назад

Thanks for your professional assessment of this tragic event.

@localcrew 4 года назад

I guess that instrument rating or not, spatial disorientation can get you in trouble very quickly. My late father (USAF pilot) once told me that you had to train yourself to lock onto the instruments immediately upon entering a cloud and that you had to believe what they were telling you. Sad story all around. Thanks for posting, Juan. Your opinion is what I look for in these instances.

@joetexas1546 4 года назад

IMC=IFR = ADI. Trust your Instruments!

@dewiz9596 4 года назад

localcrew Although I never achieved the IFR rating, I did a lot of “under the hood” work. All that work paid off when I got caught inside cloud due to gradually decreasing visibility. I trusted my instruments, and was able to land safely. Once, during my initial training, while under the hood, I was directed by my instructor to close my eyes tightly, “don’t cheat”, and “fly the plane”. I did, for over a minute. Everything felt and sounded good. When my instructor, Rick Brummer told me to open my eyes, I had the plane inverted. Best lesson ever for learning to not rely on your senses. Thank you Rick, wherever you are!

@JimForeman 4 года назад

The toughest transfer from visual to instruments would be for it to happen on rotation and in a single pilot situation, the last thing he would look at would be the power settings.

@maximummarklee 4 года назад

On my second flying lesson I taped ping-pong ball to where a rear-view mirror would be in a car in order to help visually indicate up/down and inertial vectors. Not always 100% accurate but it helps me relate to the instruments and how the seat-of-the-pantsI'm convinced it helped improved my awareness and sensitivity.

@maximummarklee 4 года назад

@James A Don't be sorry, Mr. Criticize Everything/Troll, because - contrary to your assumption, my comment was about a 13-year-old's attempt to help demonstrate how inertia and gravity FELT in the seat of his pants while watching the instruments and the ball - NOT to suggest this method would work for anyone else. Sometimes a story is just a story - this one from a 13-year-old's perspective. @James A Try to read comments from the writer's perspective, rather than from yours and how YOU think it should have been written. These comments are addressed to the channel owner, and you are not responsible for judging everyone's comments because of some sense of moral superiority, or lacking that, the need to be acknowledged by people you will never deserve to know. Get a life and let us get on with ours.

@tomwaller2953 4 года назад

Thanks, this one hits close to home. Very glad to have your input which is always technical in nature with a good dose of common sense added.

@kencraig7308 4 года назад

Thanks for the update Juan and happy New Year to you and your family and God bless you.

@williamswenson5315 4 года назад

Thank you for the insights into the NTSB's forensic approach to this accident. I hadn't heard of the "four corners" technique before now.

@deandanielson8074 4 года назад

Thanks, Juan, for the concise explanation of where the investigation will be going and the difficulty having no flight recorders. These aircraft are complex and pilots need to understand what is occurring in minutes or seconds. I appreciate your fine efforts. - Dean from Minnesota

@jamesschlueter8035 4 года назад

Juan, your videos are the greatest! Thank you!

@stclairstclair 4 года назад

Juan, love your stuff, Keep it up!

@GrifFungin 4 года назад

Thanks man! Been waiting for this video!!!

@librepenseursaintongheais7216 4 года назад

So well explained as usual. Thanks, happy new year and best of health.

@ruftime 4 года назад

Happy New Year Juan! As always, fascinating information.

@shockingguy 4 года назад

☹️ as always great work by you Juan much appreciate your input and have a good New Year’s with your family and friends

@garygarnett6469 4 года назад

Happy new year Juan keep up the good informative videos 👍👍

@themerrigans2734 4 года назад

You get rather technical, and I appreciate that. Aviation info that you understand and explain well. So keep it up Juan.

@RichaRat 4 года назад

Thanks for looking in to this. This really hits close to home. This crash included the second well known New Orleans TV journalist that has died in a small plane crash since August 19, 2019. Very saddening.

@jaydunphy4241 Год назад

Great Summary into this accident account! I can appreciate your description of aero spacial disorientation. As you stated it's like having you head inside of a pingpong ball. Great Job Sir! Keep up the Great Work.

@BunsAndGunsCalendars 4 года назад

I used to be a deputy sheriff and specialized in DUI detection. I noticed that drunks driving up hills would veer left crossing the centerline giving me the probable cause to stop the driver for further investigations. I'm not suggesting the pilot was drinking, not at all. I'm noting the similarity of the disorientation and turning left when accending from the spatial point of view. With the low ceilings and low visibility I'm thining he started a left turn because he was not focused on his attitude indicator at a critical time. This is clearly a sad event. Thanks for the report Juan.

@grandpapa2134 4 года назад

Driving in the Central Valley of California during fog season give us grounded people an idea how bad spatial disorientation can be. We have lines on the road to look at. Thanks for the update background as usual. Have a happy New Year God bless

@davidpoulin6961 4 года назад

Professional, respectful and informative report, as always.

@davestrong2971 4 года назад

I mirror David Poulin's comment.

@kenbrashear210 4 года назад

Well said. I agree.

@rayg9069 4 года назад

With Juans reporting style it's often the pauses or what's not said that is just as informative as what is spoken. It's about time the FAA / NTSB hired him as a public relations interface. His communication skills and empathy are beyond question.

@davidpoulin6961 4 года назад

@@rayg9069 Totally agree.

@chuckeberth4370 4 года назад

When an incident like this occurs I look forward to your insight. I was not aware of some of the quirks of the Cheyenne IIT which may have contributed to this accident. RIP to all the victims and prayers too their families. Thanks again Juan.

@Peasmouldia 4 года назад

It always feels a little uncomfortable like to an upload with such tragic content. Juan's thoughtful and respectful delivery makes that a whole lot easier though. Thank you Juan.

@valeriegriner5644 4 года назад

I totally agree with your statement. I always head STRAIGHT to Juan's channel to get information. He's the BEST!

@daviddale3624 4 года назад

The Aviation Consumer article pretty much says it all. Thank you!

@celestialfix 4 года назад

Excellent video Juan.

@poppopscarvinshop 4 года назад

Thank You Juan. Peace to All Family & Friends Involved.

@jackoneil3933 4 года назад

Excellent Report as usual Juan. Back in the 80's I has a little left and right seat time in a Cheyenne II, and I also had a friend at the FAA who worked on what I seem to recall was recertification of the Cheyenne and the PSS system, after crashes involving the PSS system. I also seem to recall that in addition to the aft CG/Control force issue the Cheyenne also had high-power pitch instability issue and the PSS system was required to meet certification in takeoff and climb regimes. Aviation Consumer Magazine had an excellent report back in the 80's explaining the details. I'll see if I can dig it up.

@jwb2814 4 года назад

Jack O'Neil Very interesting, just what this aircraft was doing. Durn it.

@raybankes7668 4 года назад

SAS system? what is PSS system. are they the same. Juan spoke of SAS

@jackoneil3933 4 года назад

@@raybankes7668 SAS or 'Stability Augmentation System' is what Piper's pitch stability system appears to be referred to as, but I seem to recall back in the 80's being referred to as 'PSS' or 'Pitch Stability System'. I'm not sure what Piper actually called it at the inception but I recall at times it gave the aircraft a funky pitch feel, and why I have reservations about "augmented" Pitch Control Systems in general. The Cheyenne II was a bit of a hotrod but far from my favorite airplane for a lot more reasons than the SAS/PSS system. A Turbo Commander or an C90 KingAir were much preferable options in my opinion. I just found a couple of articles, one from Aviation Consumer back in 2001, and while not as in depth as the one I recall in the late 80's or early 90's it looks like reasonable summary for anyone interested . Piper PA-31T Cheyenne - Aviation Consumer www.aviationconsumer.com/aircraftreviews/piper-pa-31t-cheyenne/ Mar 8, 2001 - These are the PA-31T series, or Cheyenne/II, Cheyenne I/IA and Cheyenne ... necessary were it not for the Cheyennes poor static longitudinal stability. .... The Piper PA-31T stability augmentation system (SAS) adds variable ... Jun 6, 2005 - IIRC the Cheyenne II is the plane with the often cursed "stability augmentation system". ... The problem is that there is enough lag in the system that it can easily get behind the airplane and start putting pitch corrections in that ...

@lostcreek163 4 года назад

Thanks for update as always!

@drenk7 4 года назад

Another informative and knowledgeable report. I have experienced vertigo on a perfectly clear VFR night. Recognized it and then “trusted “ my instruments.

@dobiedude7479 4 года назад

Great report. The cg and augmentation info was very interesting to me.

@RockinRob71343 4 года назад

Thank you. This is very informative. I have been trying to figure this thing out also. I have 2 cousins that went to college with Carley McCord and were good friends. Such a sad situation. I will wait on NTSB's final report over the next several months.

@JayStClair-mh5wv 4 года назад

Juan, thanks for this update. Lets hope the survivor makes it and can shed some light on what happened? Where people were sitting? etc.

@philjones8609 3 года назад

I’m surprised we haven’t heard anything about this accident yet.

@4n2earth22 4 года назад

It's a tough gig, but you do it well. Thanks JB.

@dorsai 4 года назад

Juan, as always a great report.

@holdenm1400 4 года назад

Thank you for covering this. I pulled N42CV out of the hangar that morning. Great job covering this story using just the facts. I hate seeing speculation about what happened.

@dam4274 4 года назад

H Martin Did they leave from New Orleans prior to departing Lafayette?

@holdenm1400 4 года назад

DAM8658 No they didn’t, the plane’s last flight was on 12/18 coming back from West Houston.

@dam4274 4 года назад

H Martin Oh okay, considering that the young girl was with WDSU, I figured the plane left Lakefront first.

@holdenm1400 4 года назад

phillip perkins Stop driving your car sir. Your car will surely claim your life someday.

@dam4274 4 года назад

phillip perkins Me? I’m not a pilot yet.

@LouT1501 4 года назад

Thank you for the report!

@georgegutzmer5360 4 года назад

Juan Thank you for all your reporting and information. Welcome to the Roaring 20's God Bless All that U do and finish healing so that you can get back to flying.

@moriver3857 4 года назад

RIP to allí they died. So sad, especially during the latter part of the holidays. Let's hope we'll learn some answers in due time. There are still quite a few Cheyenne I and II out there flown by competent pilot. Great initial report. You're great.

@ThatBobGuy850 4 года назад

Great report as always, Juan. I do like your straightforward, just-the-facts style. No hype. Having said that, we do "know" a few things about this crash. Surely the pilot was aware of the ceiling and vis even before taxiing out. Regardless of which FAR part he operated under, he still would've needed an IFR flight plan to depart. With only 1/4 mile vis, he wouldn't be able to see the far end of the 8,000' runway. So it's not like the weather took him by surprise. He knew that he was going to be IMC as soon as he rotated. We can *hope* that he had the cockpit (including the pitch trim) set up properly prior to commencing the takeoff run. Such a takeoff would have been challenging, yes, but should not have been a problem for a current Instrument Rated pilot in his own airplane. Finally, it was only 450 miles from LFT to Atlanta, and his passenger load was light (three males, two females, a teenage boy and probably not a whole lot of baggage) - we can make an educated guess that he wasn't super-duper heavy and that the gross weight and c.g. were *probably* not an issue. I'd bet that at least one of the pax were in the copilot seat. With it narrowed down even slightly...so...what happened? Ahh, that's where the NTSB comes in. Hopefully they'll be able to tell us eventually. Accidents like this one are always tragic. Sometimes we never figure out *exactly* what caused them. Let's hope we can this time.

@patrickmurphy4911 4 года назад

As always, qualified, highly informative, and judicious. Citizen journalism at it's best.

@MNAZ12 4 года назад

Thanks!! Happy New Year!!!

@MrStrangers187 4 года назад

Happy new year 🥳 Juan wish all the best in 2020 n your family 😊👏

@dustdevil2387 4 года назад

Nice report Juan! Looking forward to watching your report on the Atlas crash findings.

@donmoore7785 4 года назад

Excellent report, as usual.

@jamesyoungblood555 4 года назад

Thank you so much for the report on this crash.May you and yours have a blessed and safe 2020. Shalom and Shalom my brother.

@hokypoky8974 4 года назад

THX for the straight forward reporting that even lay persons can understand. Happy New Year to you and your beautiful family. Here's hoping your 'work load' decreases rapidly!

@blancolirio 4 года назад

Yes!

@henryford2736 4 года назад

I'm not saying disorientation was the cause just trying to explain it. I never really got disoriented if I kept my eyes glued to the instruments. Worst thing you can do is to look outside into the white nothing or at night the black nothing. Then the feelings you are turning are very convincing. Your mind is convinced 100% you are turning. It's not like "I think I'm turning" No. Your mind is 100% convinced you are turning. And once you "correct" for this "turn" you end up out of control. People who don't experience it can't really understand how powerful that turning sensation is.

@azstratus1 4 года назад

Great information as always sir!!

@nancychace8619 4 года назад

Sad story. Thanks for your report. I've noticed seems fairly common for accidents like this to happen when an aircraft is loaded to or close to the max. Just b/c the specs say it's ok doesn't mean it's a good idea, like if their CG was thrown off that might have contributed to it. Sorry for this loss. Happy New Year to you and yours. Hope the best for 2020. RIP.

@nonamemcnotaspy8654 4 месяца назад

Thanks for covering this, I was reading the NTSB report (CEN20MA044) and was was confused at first. From watching the news, I thought they were flying southeast to northwest, like a heading of 330 which didn't make sense since they were going to Georgia. The flight radar plot is slightly off though, the crash ended up here: 30°10'34.8"N 92°00'27.4"W EDIT: continued reading the report and found a more accurate flight track and it makes far more sense now.

@gordonrichardson2972 4 года назад

Thanks for giving background about a crash where we have so little factual information.

@rudolfabelin383 4 года назад

Off topic. Juan, I want to wish you and your family a Happy New Year!!! Greetings Rudolf Sweden

@MrOsasco 4 года назад

Thank you for the report.

@dennisharrington6055 4 года назад

Thanks. Happy new year

@joebe5875 4 года назад

Thank you Juan...RIP to the 5

@cleeshann1928 4 года назад

Thanks for the report and background history. When will you get your release to fly again? Has to be tough on you not piloting for so long after flying so many years. Hope you are getting up with others that are current to stay in practice.

@TakeDeadAim 4 года назад

This has all the classic telltales of SD. Left bank, full power descent and then a last second sighting of the horizon as he broke through but too late to arrest it. Early in my flying I experienced this but luckily I had much more altitude and had an instructor in the right seat who purposely shook me up. After that I always get into the habit of checking both clusters upon entering or just prior to in order to reassure my brain that my instruments are good no matter what my inner ear is trying to tell me. RIP to all

@mmburgess11 4 года назад

Good point...couple that with a possible aft CG issue and the problem gets even more pronounced on take-off.

@carp566 4 года назад

I am an eye witness to the crash, was outside getting something from my van and heard a plane that sounded a little odd or out of place so I stood and looked up for it, I been there for 10 years, also a former pilot and A&P, I'm used to the normal traffic pattern there so I knew something was odd. The plane sounded normal but a little low then it sounded like he went full throttle and put it into a dive right for me, getting louder and faster then it was screaming, (reminded me of the sound effects in the old WWII movies of dive bombers), I've been to air shows but never seen or heard one dive at full power, they always throttle back, so this sound was weird to me and frightening. It popped out of the clouds in a diving steep left turn then immediately went wings level but by time he was wings level he was a split second from impact so fast it was probably exceeding NE speed. I heard the horrible crunching impact and felt the ground shake then the explosion, it looked like a volcano went off, the fire ball was so big I felt the heat from it then the blood curdling scream from the lady that was on fire running from her car. The plane ripped through the power lines and tree only feet away from the apartment building, if he didn't level his wings it would've crashed into the building.

@oldhick9047 4 года назад

Good info, and as always, clear and understandable, thanks.

@Wizzardvrgamez 4 года назад

Have you reviewed the NTSB preliminary report that came out a couple days ago? I'm connected to this tragedy in multiple ways but don't know enough about aviation to fully understand the report and what it implies. Would really appreciate a follow up from you.

@kurtak9452 Год назад

Great explanation Juan......

@bluetrue6062 4 года назад

Thanks, Juan. Terrible tragedy. Outstanding explanation of the facts as they are known now.

@russell3380 4 года назад

Thank you Juan Brown, to sad there has to be so much of this type of reporting. My deepest condolences go out to the friends and families of these people. I hope 2020 is a happy, healthy year for everyone at Blancolirio World Headquarters.

@luiul1 4 года назад

i believe that is Global. the IATA code is BGH. that airport in Mauritania is bogus.

@russell3380 4 года назад

@@luiul1 I believe you are absolutely correct, just what I get for commenting while fatigued. Happy New Year.

@luiul1 4 года назад

@@russell3380 i could have SWORN i had said HNY in my comment. not fatigue in my case. old age.

@JasVmitten 4 года назад

great info jb

@UMRpilot 4 года назад

Juan, have you been able to digest the Atlas Air 3591 interm report yet? It doesn't paint a pretty picture and I'm curious what you take is on it, given your 767 experience.

@bobbailey4954 4 года назад

So sad to here about any crash. But when it’s general aviation it seems closer to home

@myweigh7089 4 года назад

My favorite RU-vid channel

@BrilliantDesignOnline 4 года назад

Thanks Juan. I am a bit amazed that after a 900' descent anyone lived after the crash. Thanks to the passersbys who pulled him out.

@davidoickle1778 4 года назад

My first flight in an aircraft was in a 1946 Luscombe on floats. I was about 14 years old at the time and the same age as the aircraft as I later learned. It required hand propping and was a bit underpowered in it's "float" configuration BUT I was very impressed. What a thrill to see everything from 2,000 feet. Exciting stuff.

@mikercflyer7383 4 года назад

The best coverage the best information. Need to stay away from the media.

@sp769 4 года назад

Mainstream media is fake news for sure, but not this dedicated site for these events. www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/12/piper-pa-31t-cheyenne-ii-n42cv-fatal.html

@alphasails2 4 года назад

Thank you for the report. Sadly, you are being kept to busy with these incidents. Time to take Pete for another trail ride. 👍 🙏👍❤️

@dankrall5623 4 года назад

Nice synopsis of the plane involved and the NTSB process. I do believe the plane came down from the opposite direction, however, than what is shown. Crash scene photos show power company trucks repairing lines on Verot School Road and the light pole at the front of the post office parking lot, as well as tree limbs down closer to Verot School Road. So, it hit the power line on Verot School Road, then the trees and light pole in the post office parking lot, then the Chevy SUV and whatever the vehicle is that is upside down, then finished by sliding into the field.

@meko1896 4 года назад

Juan, not sure if anybody else pointed out that the aircraft had made an approximate 270deg turn at the time of impact. It was flying on an approximate heading of 330 deg in level flight when it impacted the power line and then the ground.

@arthouston7361 4 года назад

Hello Juan. With so many crashes in the news... for instance I live outside of Philadelphia, and we lost two doctors in a Bonanza and a couple guys in a Baron in the same time period, and it makes me wonder why people don't engage the autopilot. I'm forced to wonder if that kind of spatial disorientation happened in this case, and why he didn't reach up and engage that autopilot. I used to tell my instrument students if at any time they became disoriented or got a bad case of the "leans," to engage that autopilot button and look at the attitude indicator....and extend it mentally in either direction as a visual cue to help get them reoriented.

@malcolm20091000 4 года назад

Juan, this is another in a disturbingly long list of GA aircraft that have crashed in the last few months. For this crash, as well as the South Dakota Pilatus, the Dale Earnhardt, and the B-17 crash, there were surviving passengers. However, I have not heard any interviews or even articles about these folks, even though they would all have fascinating stories to tell. Do you know if any of these survivors have been interviewed (by other than NTSB, of course)? Do you think their lawyers are telling them to button up?

@SuperDave_BR549 4 года назад

like juggling, the more eggs in motion, the more chances that one/all can be dropped, getting away with it depends on where you're at in the program. ping pong ball is dead on, drifted into a few in freefall and under canopy, bad, bad things can be found in clouds. Happy New Year, Mr. Brown to you and yours!

@StudioRV8 4 года назад

I believe that Lafayette is a class charlie, so they must have been handed off from the tower to departure. Wonder if that happened and if there was any info there? Did the low altitude warning come from the tower or approach/departure control? Nice coverage and very informative. Thanks.

@DashPar 4 года назад

Excellent info FO Brown.

@russtyzipper1093 3 года назад

Thank you for another fantastic evaluation of 'pilot error', including this particular aicraft with its potential 'weight & balance problems' that could be associated with passenger loading'!

@sdefiel3719 4 года назад

I've flown into Lafayette scores of times and have a few stories of my own there. Bias question: is there a history of the Cheyenne II having issues with the 'SAS'? Bias remark: 3/4 mile, 200' ceiling, busy cockpit, cramped cabin, rowdy LSU fans, early in the morning ... loss of situational awareness.

@pauleyplay 4 года назад

commercial ticket is known but endorsements are not ? I understand very early. Left engine shutdown ? I know way to early. You do a 1st class report . From a very old way pre NTSB accident investigator, Many thanks