Situational Awareness is even More IMPORTANT than what you're carrying. If you keep your head in your surroundings and Don't draw attention, the chances of being attacked are less. And if you do get targeted as a victim, if you see it coming because you were paying attention instead of having your head buried in your phone, it will give you more time to execute a preemptive attack. Stay Vigilant, and Stay Alive. 👍
They were nervously laughing because their imagined attacker had turned the tide with a turtleneck pullover shirt. No buttons to aim for... D: On a serious note, your advice is what I have heard since I was young. 3rd button down might just do it. Thanks for sharing!
Most body armor does not cover the lower pelvic region. There are two femoral arteries and two femoral veins, fed by the lower aorta and the inferior vena cava. Huge blood vessels, you could bleed out in 2-3 min with a direct injury to any of them.
I have been a forensic psych for going on 20 years. I have interviewed, no exaggeration, thousands of people involved in gun fights. This is a situation where I kept saying I will do this job for one more year. The next year it was one more year. As a result I never kept any official stats so I have nothing solid to present but a few things do stand out in my mind. First, reloading during a gunfight is rare. It does happen but the majority of gunfights on the streets are a fairly quick exchange and it's over one way or another. Secondly, assuming .38 or 9mm and larger, the cal is secondary. As far as handguns go, nothing really stands out to me as superior. No doubt, a .45 has more energy and in some cases, that extra energy will make a difference but it doesn't seem to pass a threshold where that difference is notable. I saw one case where a guy got shot in the gut with a .45. He fell to the floor, rolled around crying for a min, then realized he wasn't incapacitated and got up and ran off. A few moments later he realized he was going to need an ER so he sat down and waited for the police. I have seen more cases where the number of rounds is more important than the cal. I am just one of many opinions out there but I carry a high capacity 9mm. My reason being, having more rounds in a brief fight is more important than having bigger rounds. I am also a thin woman with little girly wrists and I can shoot a full sized 9mm faster.
During my 30 year career I was involved in three gunfights, only one of which I had to reload my revolver under fire. My take away from all these experiences is quick accuracy, shot placement, is far more important than caliber. We were issued .38 revolvers which were reputed to be underpowered but my experiences were quite the opposite.
One thing I would add about the pelvic girdle is that it is the support structure for the body. If you break the bones in the pelvic girdle the target can not stand. High or not, pain tolerance or not, the support structure is broken so they are mechanically unable to stand.
Steven Dwyer Good point. I did see a video where a criminal was shot in the pelvic region and though he could not stand he continued to shoot many rounds lying on his side.... Humans can be tough critters to be sure...
Where I live shooting a criminal laying on the ground is against the law unless you can prove the criminal is still a threat. I personally will worry about that later.
Yes Pelvic Girdle, It Absolutely will STOP a CRAZY Criminal and CRAZY is hard to stop. 12 gauge blast to the groin, or upper groin area should take care of the Pelvic Girdle and some other benefits, such as very large Arteries in the area, plus some Organs that don't like getting shot.
Probably one of the best succinct summaries of this subject I've seen. As pointed out, it's comparable to successful real estate transactions: location, location, location. Translated here, it's placement, placement, placement. The caliber is pretty much a secondary consideration (unless it's a 22 short...). But in a stress situation, that's sometimes hard to do.
Just a bit of a correction; US Army never used the .45ACP round during the Philippine Insurrection. It's true that they decided the .38 Long Colt was not getting the job done, so the Army reissued old reworked Colt Single Action Army six shooters. These pistols were in .45Long Colt and were much appreciated by the troops in the Philippines. Years later when the Army decided to modernize and adopt a semiautomatic pistol, most offerings were 9mm's or .38's. However, the Army said they would only consider a new pistol in .45 or larger. Colt redesigned its .38acp pistol to take a new .45acp cartridge, and the 1911 was born.
While they were undoubtedly chambered in .45 Colt (not "Long Colt") they weren't necessarily issued .45 Colt ammunition due to an ongoing supply problem in the US army where they had both .45 Colt revolvers and .45 Schofield revolvers and different ammunition for each. There were continual problems of ammunition being issued to the wrong guns. It was decided to only issue the Colt revolver and only procure the Schofield ammunition as the Colt revolver could use any of the ammunition in the supply chain and the .45 Schofield ammunition being added to the supply chain could be used in either revolver including any Schofield revolvers still in use. Schofield revolvers stuck around as since there was less and less .45 Colt ammunition available it's not like you got a more powerful revolver and the Schofield was quicker to reload: you could eject all spent rounds at once then load 2 rounds at a time. Which is why the .45ACP replicated the ballistics of .45 Schofield, not the heavier and faster bullet of .45 Colt.
Regarding pain. A crack, pcp, or meth head got on the luggage roof- rack of my friends car. No verbal or physical persuasion would get him off the roof. My friend just got in his car and carrying the doper on the roof all the way, drove to the local police station. It took 4 officers to peel the guy's hands off the rack.
Some instructors train to instead of waiting till you are aligned for center mass or a head shot they instead want you to start firing almost as soon as you get sights on the target at all because they would argue nobody likes getting shot even if it’s in the leg and usually the 1st person to get hits on target wins
Comanche that is why a person must stay alert, don’t go to bad areas unless you absolutely have to, present a hard target, withdraw if you see something unfolding, and fight if you must. And don’t waste time wondering WHY you have been targeted but serve it up to them with gusto!
I preach situational awareness... If you have a gun or no, knowing if there is a threat coming is half the battle. That means, head on a swivel, not down on your damn phone.
mskiUSMC there are those that understand what we've been through, preach wtf you want SA is a given all the fucking time. My shitholes are solo no squad w you or QRF in the future even when you know shit will hit the fan your on your last nerve civilian shit in Manila or Anbar on Saturday nights et al.
Some other things to consider...With the proliferation of effective civilian body armor, the "power" of your cartridge does come into play. Most of the common handgun calibers will not penetrate this body armor effectively, but the more power you deliver to the armor the more damage there will be to the tissue behind it (bruising, broken bones, shock). As you move up the handgun caliber food chain this damage gets worse, and at the higher end usually results in cracked sternums, multiple broken ribs, etc. These may not end the fight but they will definitely slow most "bad guys" down quite a lot. This is also why many people train to target the pelvic region as you mentioned. It is usually not armored and rounds here result in massive bleeding and loss of mobility. Obviously, all this is solved with a headshot but those are difficult to achieve on moving targets for most people and the margin for error is much smaller. The point is, understand what your rounds (and you) are capable of achieving and train to maximize the effectiveness of both. I'd rather get in a gunfight with three gangbangers fielding 45's and target ammunition than a serious cowboy action shooter with a 22LR revolver.
+Craig Summers excellent video, recommend that you try the triple tap... when it is up close and personal you're pulling your gun out with one hand. as soon as the pistol clears The holster the barrels pointing down. and then when you fire The Gun Barrel wants to rise. so think about this, first shot pelvis, second shot chest, third shot head, all triple tap with one hand... when you practice this you can do it. EDC 1911A1 45AUTO FMJ ^
In the context of SD shootings, "stopping power" simply means that after being shot, the threat stops being a threat. Whether they dropped dead, were physically incapacitated or simply surrendered. Regardless of which one it is, the round "stopped" the threat. In self defense, that's the goal.
True regarding what "stopped" means in a self-defensive shooting scenario, specops56. Good points. The only things I can think of to add to that are these: one should not immediately assume a homicidal attacker is "stopped"/ "incapacitated" just because he or she has fallen to the ground, for while there is any possibility of consciousness or regaining consciousness there, there is also the possibility of reemergence of aggression; furthermore, relatedly, if the weapon of the enemy is still within reach of the enemy's grasped, it should be considered as still having potential of being retrieved to be used against the self-defender. So watchfulness is still essential, if, for whatever real reason, the self-defender must remain in the actual location of the attack & the self-defender should not reholster if necessarily still at the scene, at least not until law enforcement arives & takes over the situation (stay on phone with the 911 dispatcher, of course, to continue to communicate that you are the victim, your description, your actual & -- if present -- loved one's actual location(s) within the area as well the actual location of the perpetrator(s) within the area, &, highly important, that you are yet armed & intend to be armed until the police enter & take charge of the threat(s)). The best thing, most likely, if loved ones are able to be in tow & not be left behind, is to vacate the scene of the incident while in contact with 911 or to contact 911 afterwards to tell the self-defensive side of the story & direct the first responders back to the scene of the attack.
Agreed 100%. This is why I've taught my wife to keep shooting the threat until it stops being a threat no matter how many rounds that takes. I've also taught her to describe herself and clothing and ask the 911 dispatcher to send EMTs for the attacker.
Greetings Mr. Summers. 😀 Having a medical background, I'd like to add something to your list of important goodies. Another great potential thing to stop the fight would be the loss of air. If one was to shoot another in the center mass area, one might hit the lungs...causing a pneumo thorax (collapsed lung). That'd definitely take the wind out of the bad guys sails! Lol! 😉 Hope you have a great day and a great start to the new year. God bless.👍
Bryan, the why of velocity importance is most easily explained with a little "play" on Einstein....a pea hitting you at 2000 miles an hour will do a LOT more damage than a bowling ball dropping on your foot from the height of your waist, or better known as "as speed increases so does mass (and time slows down)". As for penetration, if a .22 hits and penetrates your eye, all its mass does damage to the brain, while a .38 that hits at some weird angle, bounces off the skull and circles it stopping on the other side (this happened BTW while I was doing security at a hospital) the .22 will kill you while the .38 just makes you WISH you were dead..
short barrel 12 gauge shot gun with #4 or larger buckshot delivers 5 times as much damage as a .45 ACP round with the same number of trigger pulls. nobody walks through it, and you really can't miss.
Tim Hallas actually my everyday carry is a fully-automatic viking battle-axe with an 30 blade high capacity double magazine-clip. You pull that out of your jacket and the thieves just run...
I mean you really could miss but if you don’t the bad guy is fucked. I keep a mix of 00 and #4 buck in my shotgun for home defense and at 9 yards which is the longest shot in my home my #4 buck patterns all 21 pellets within a chest sized target,my 00 opens up to about a large hand,at 9 ft both loads are barely exiting the wad.
A little reported fact occurring during the battle of Fallujah was that the Iraqi insurgents fought with super human, but stupid bravery. After the battle they found hypodermics on the ground all over town. Turns out the insurgents were shooting up drugs to make them fight bravely, but with the unintended consequence of making them fight so stupidly that they were killed in mass.
@@Chief2Moon phobia = an IRRATIONAL fear of something.. being afraid of Muslims should be the default stance, and is surely not irrational. You sound like an islamophile, a much worse insult than "islamophobe" all things considered
Absolutely. The only thing I would add is front sight focus. In the real world, everything above .38 special and below .44 mag seem to perform almost identically and even then, smaller calibers have stopped fights immediately and magnum calibers have failed. With that in mind, my own personal philosophy has always been; Squeeze the trigger until it drops.
Correct and even larger calibers in situations of stress can miss the mark and do nothing more than shallow wounds. Shot placement is king but people seem to forget that in a stressful situation your shot placement goes way south unless your continuously training.
CENTER MASS. original PPC/B27 target has a 5x ring for scoring. that 5x is in the center, aiming at the 5x gives the shooter more room to miss and still keep projectile in the body and less likely to miss completely and hit a by stander. VTAC is probably he best trg going. I wish it in photo w/hidden zones.
As far as the size of holes made in people by different calibers FBI testing revealed that due to low velocities, ALL handgun calibers leave holes in people that are smaller than their bullet diameters. Low velocity allows tissue elasticity and rebound to come into play, and the tissues close slightly after the bullets pass through. So the difference in hole size between a .380 and a .45 isn't great. It takes speeds upward of 2,200 fps (i.e., a rifle round) to leave a hole the same diameter as the round. For handguns, shot placement is more important than caliber.
Thank you! I used these areas to shoot and got reemed by the instructor. Her point was hit the x. I walked her through the hits and why I used them. Her response, oh! If I must shoot to defend I want to ensure I have stopped you.
the one thing no one talks about and to me is the most important thing and that is the bullet. the bullet does the killing. I have been a bear hunting guide for over 25 years and have had to shoot many many bears with pistols of various calibers. a couple things i've learned is number 1 over penetration will not get you killed under penetration will., number 2 you push a pistol hollow point much over 1100 fps it will not penetrate over 2 inches. an example of this is i was using my .45 super with buffalo bore 200 grain hollow points and had great results i shot one wounded bear at about 5 feet right between the eyes, it penetrated the skull, the length of the neck broke the shoulder and rested just under hide in a perfect mushroom. figured i'd try some 185 xtp from BB doing 1300 fps, next bear i shot 3 times in side and it kept standing back up had to grab a slug gun to end it. bullets expanded too quick and never penetrated thru the fat.
Mostly agree, but they make "soft point" hollow points, "fmj" hollow points, "bonded" hollow points, and solid copper hollow points. You just have to tune the velocity to the expansion you want. I occasionally shoot soft point and lightweight hollow points at 1600fps, and yeah watermelons get 150 feet wide. Major overexpansion. Kind of a "summer" ccw load.
If you’re using BB ammo, why aren’t you using their hard cast flat nose solids. They’re claiming three feet of penetration with some of that stuff and that’s what you’re after. Handgun bullet expansion on a Bear will be a joke. Now, a 45-70, expansion will matter.
Patrick S That's the way that I practice. From the draw... Quick double-tap to the heart, one precise shot to the forehead. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. You get the picture. Practice until its second nature, and you feel 100% confident that you can make the shots, to save you, or your loved ones lives. This scenario will likely never come up. But, just because you're carrying a sidearm, doesn't mean that you can be proficient with it, when it counts. Too many people buy, and carry weapons, without ever practicing with them. Don't be that guy. Besides, practicing is loads of fun. Side note... Practice drawing your weapon, from the holster, and carry position that you normally use. Also, if you like to carry with the safety on, practice disengaging that safety as you draw. I've saw several videos where people forget to disengage the safety, in the heat of the moment. You will lose your fine motor skills, in a highly stressful situation. I, personally, prefer guns that can be decocked, or a have a long double action trigger, so I don't have to carry with the safety engaged.
Yea, fuck the head shots. If you can, (and thats a Big if) shoot 10 out of 10 on the range, your accuracy will drop to about 2 out of 10 during a gun fight
this video is a great illustration of why the Mozambique drill is so important to practice. double tap the chest one to the ocular nasal cavity. if you practice that way no matter what gun you're using you're going to put them down. that's why this argument is so stupid because yeah on one on one of 45 might be 9 mm a little bit but you're never only going to fire one shot. and pretty much anybody who's honest is going to realize that if 3 hit with a 9 a bad guys going down
For hitting vital organs, sure, not a huge difference. The larger projectiles are better for the bone-breaking part though -- not all shooters are ex-Delta who hit the head/heart 99% of the time in a fight.
Garrett Butler that is a really good point. and I agree that the larger bullets are better for breaking through bone and barrier. however most new Shooters shoot the 9 mm a little bit better. but I'm with you there
@@johnouellet4099 True again -- the higher capacity modern pistols and how wild high-tech modern loads have gotten are other big reasons 9mm is probably the most popular pistol caliber...
Don’t mean to correct you but the Colt New Service was chambered in the 45 LC and was used by Canada and the early part of WW 1 and John Browning designed the 1911 which was carried in WW2 - Korea- and Vietnam with the 45 ACP which was the round the Thompson Sub machine gun used. All that being said the Gatling gun fired the 45-70
Good video. What struck me is that just like in this video many martial arts, especially Wing Chun, recognize that 90% of the body's critical vulnerablities lie within 2 inches of either side of the midline.
One thing to consider; solorplex, aortic hyatas area. Greater chance of nervous system shutdown, greater blood pressure loss, and diaphragm shutdown, even with a small caliber bullet. If under stress, you might shoot low (pelvic girdle = nervous system shutdown, blood loss, shock), if you shoot high, heart/lung/artery shot.
The one called center mass is a fast incapacitation area, is very informative but most of the time bad guys are not standing in front of you showing they chest. Crime happen so fast and by surprise. Example: the results if the guy is robbing you and pointing you with a gun, you know he is armed and he say to you "dont look at me" if you draw and shoot to him is a complete gamble, walk away alive is a gamble and bullet placement even a biggest gamble. Like this is dozens of similar scenarios. The best is avoid be a victim and expose yourself to unnecessary risks, always keep your mind ready and already know what to do in different scenarios.
if you're walking down the street, into a store, etc and have a free hand, imo just have your weapon in your hand. first off, no one will fuck with you (probably) second off it significantly reduces your reaction time
Everything he says here is correct in theory but in real life, thinking and aiming goes out the window and only your training will save you or kill you due to lack of training. And when I say training, I don't just mean aiming well, it's gun fighting tactics that will when the day. Tactics is more important than any other concern such as what caliber or ammo type. Gun fights are almost always fast, close up and personal, so aiming has little or nothing to do with winning, tactics does. Tactics is the ability to size up the situation and somehow get you hand on your gun and pulling that trigger before the other guy sees you have a gun. First place always wins. You need a gun that fits your hand so well that just like pointing your finger, you can point that barrel without aiming, just start putting shots on target with in a 8-10 ft range, without aiming at all. Right from the waist, bullets need to be flying to your target and then raise it up to your eye if shooting is still needed and place some shots to the head. If you think you'll have the time to pull your gun and press it out in front like in the videos, you are going to lose. I've seen people do that because that is how they were taught, trained to hit paper targets at 21 ft. instead of thugs at 4 ft., often more than one thug. So shooting like you are at the gun range is only good at the gun range, in real life and death situations, the shooting is much different. It's not about quick draw, it's about getting your hand on your gun without your target seeing that (tactics) and then quick shooting him before he can react, you need to incapacitate him by shooting him where ever and as much as needed until the threat is down. If your target already has his gun in hand, you need to probably shoot him in the head to stop him quickly, or maybe after a couple of shots to the body, one shot to his gun or hand holding the gun, like the lone ranger used to do, it works well but only if you are close so you can make that shot. That's over thinking a bit but the tactic is to incapacitate asap to save your life, and maybe others. It's the art of war, be deceptive, don't let them know you have a gun until it is firing, that's tactics.
i have been a conceal carrier for over 30 yrs, never had a problem. I now carry the Sig P238 with +P. But always wondered if: 1. Would I be able to draw my gun in time 2. Would i be able to use 2 hands or just one 3. In the excitement and fear, can i hit the offender in a significant spot or if at all. 4. Is the .380 that i usually carry enough 5. And last, when is the appropiate time to draw my gun before the assault happens I just hope It never happens
.380 is great if the other option is, say, a sharpened stick. But a sharpened stick is better than a fist. A fist is better than praying(or just praying).
I don’t feel underarmed with a 380, because most people, most of the time run around their daily lives totally unarmed and unaware. Having a 380 is having more gun than 99.9% of the people ever have.
We did failure drills (failure to stop) Marine Basic. The idea was, you do two immediate shots to the chest, and than one shot either the head (t-box) or one to the groin. The instructors advised us to go for the groin shot in the drill because it's an easier target. Something tells me that a 62 grain ball round smashing into your pelvis at over 2400 fps would put you on your ass (what's left of it). My question is, is a pistol caliber really enough to do that sort of damage. I'd say no. I'd say just putting as many rounds in the chest as it takes to put them on the ground is what you want to do in the moment, whether its one shot or ten.
Weight..low weight allows better placement....so for me the 380 auto is perfect...I can put more shots on target like he described...and the auto is faster and easier to hold on target...critical to placing more then one shot in the same area...any questions....big guns..big bangs....must retarget for every shot...to slow...return fire possible.
Blood, brains and bones. In any order dependent entirely on the circumstance and 'my' training. If the gun came out of the holster, the muzzle is likely transiting from 'that entities' toes up - shoot no shoot - came with the draw. . . pelvic girdle is my first large area, if I had to. . . I'd start at the toes, a bit more time, pelvic is a great work zone, working up. good video.
No matter the supposed "pain tolerance" as you describe it, you are trained to shoot centre mass as if you hit the heart you will put someone down regardless of what they have in there system. It has nothing to do with calibre as if I hit the heart with a 22 they will drop, if I hit the lung with a 45 they will keep coming. Head shots are for the movies the head is much to small a target if you are stressed, not trying to disrespect you but there is only one option aim centre mass and keep firing till the threat is resolved. Just simple military training.
Well your talking about the ideal. I would say most all people who use a handgun to defend themselves including the conceal carry have not attended even one professional quality training session like Front Site and others. They may send a few rounds down range a year, and never practice drawing and engaging in practice. Sooooooo most all will be scared out of their minds and shooting in the general directions. Even cops are some of the worse shots.
Also ,several years ago , in Milwaukee , I was talking to an officer who had recently turned in the 9mm , that they were given , to a .45 , reason being , she said she emptied her gun ('13 rounds , I believe ) into a guy , barely slowed him down , it wasn't until she clocked him in the side of the head , that he went down " and died " he had a cocktail of meth,Coke and bath salts in his system .not sure exactly what bath salts does , but , she said is eyes where wide open , but , nobody was home .
Guy Brooks nasty stuff. Unfortunately in that situation, even a fifty cal probably wouldn't stop him. In Somali, they would get all hopped up on cot. You could put five or six rounds of 5.56, center mass and they would hardly flinch. That's why Remington developed the 6.8 and rushed rifles & ammo to "frontline" units. Now that knocked their dicks in the dirt.
Tim Hallas: There are plenty of stories of guys all drugged up, soaking up over a dozen hits from handguns, having to be taken down with shotguns. It happens.
@@timhallas4275 not bullshit my friend , FACT , it happens , ALOT , that's just one of the reasons most cops carry .40 ,.45 Cal. , More stopping power , and Lessons chance of s'one else getting shot AFTER it went thru it's intended target , this officer had a few extra .... challenges . she was female , a very attractive female @ that , she trained,practiced more , was better than 40% of the blue swing'n dicks in class , she was a very good shot , and dude was , but 40' away .
Your statement about adrenaline and heart rate causing a loss in accuracy is correct, however, that can be corrected with training. Timed drills can help a person learn to stay calm and put the shots on target. I acknowledge that when it’s a real life or death situation, the body will react differently than timed drills on the range, but the times drills can help you learn to stay calm under pressure, which will help you improve your accuracy under stress.
What about aiming for the neck? 1) there's a ton of vitals there 2) being too high gets the head 3) being too low gets the center mass 4) being low left or right can get the clavicle and the artery PS: yes, center mass and head will still be preferable targets, but compared to the stomach and hips, I rather think of the neck first.
The margin of error is too small. You also have to remember that there might be people behind the person you are shooting. If you dont hit the target, those bullets are going somewhere. You want the bad guy to be the back stop and all rounds to go in to him. I like where your head is at though
The neck is something you MIGHT hit if your shot at center mass is too high, but I would still aim right about where he drew the big dot, or, slightly below center point between the shoulders
You should explain several other points that would/should be known, #1 would be blood loss however someone can still possibly function for 5-10 secs so you would need numerous shots to create more blood loss quicker, Bullets would need to make permanent wound cavities to allow this. sooner than later, head shots were made popular called the Mozambique Drill which requires accuracy and with a pistol closer distance, however if the attacker is moving towards you ar a quick pace the head will also be moving making an accurate T box shot a little more difficult again depending on your ability. As far as bone you show the Pelvic girdle which breaking of the hip or pelvic area would immobilize him. You may also need numerous shots to accomplish this UNTIL the Threat has stopped. Your water jug example was interesting as I shoot center chest for blood and air loss before I'd shoot him in the leg or knees if the threat is true and imminent. Bullet placement is most important.
1:10 PCP would probably be one of the main hallucinogenic type drugs that can make somebody extremely hard to kill. It has anesthetic properties so it can entirely kill pain and the lack of brain to muscle control compared to being sober also makes somebody much stronger physically and being much harder to kill
DJ LSD PHD ... I had the thrill of fighting a PCP addict. He weighed less than me and tossed my brother and I around like we were rag dolls. A neighbor then shot him in the torso with a .357 magnum S&W wheel gun, and he still ran off. The whites of his eyes were darkish yellow. He was found 2 miles away screaming in an alley. Detectives told us he was a known PCP user. Super human strength is REAL.
Excellent video. Also, if people have not been trained in pre-incident indicators they should make it a point to do so. Thank you for the video. Semper Fi USMC.
BTW (and recognizing that the goal should be to stop an assailant as quickly as possible): Absent proper & consistent training, truly aiming - and hitting - center of mass puts the shot lower than optimal shot placement because the "mass" is subconsciously defined vertically as waste to shoulder line rather than sternum to shoulder line. Likewise, center of mass on the head - top of forehead down to point of chin - could be an inch or more below optimal shot placement (vertically between nose and eye brows).
stopping power means shot placement and bigger caliber. The advantage of a bigger caliber is when it hit outside the T-factor: from forehead, throat, center mass abdomen, bladder area. The line following these areas is the spinal column. Outside the T-factor the bigger caliber has the advantage of inflicting greater injury which is not stopping power.
The biggest thing I think that you forgot is threat fixation. This comes from actual data and from personal experience. Fixation on the hazard. The bad guys not the hazard is what's in the bad guy's hand if the hazard if you look at most shootings and in most training scenarios people shoot the threat, the gun is the threat, the knife is the threat, the box cutter is the threat and that's where the shots begin to migrate to. Yes the threat is in their hands but that person the bad guy is controlling that item so don't focus on what's in their hand. Focus on the individual and put the shot placement as you said.
i remember hearing that too. police data apparently shows a large percentage of wounds to hands and i get why. good point. it's like a driver reacting to a sudden roadside hazard by panicking and looking at it, which is a natural instinct, we want to see the threat and assess it, instead of looking for the opening where they want to go and going there. while there is no substitute for training i feel like simply by consciously thinking about this beforehand, hopefully it will help us avoid those mistakes if it ever came down to it.
This goes hand in hand with what I believe the problem with anti-gunners is: it’s NOT the gun they don’t trust, it’s the PEOPLE. Also related to your absolutely correct statement is the old, “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” Both are correct. It’s not the ITEM, it’s the PERSON using it that makes it deadly.
Please allow me to explain further. If somebody's coming at you you shoot at the chest first if he still comes at you you shoot at the hips if he's still coming then and only then you go for the head. if you put one bullet in somebody's head during a stressful situation you're shooting would be questionable and possibly subject to the law because it will look like a plan shooting. Furthermore the projectile will exit the head and just may hit somebody else. that's why the head is always the last alternative.
Good video! I have been suggesting the top button for all my 42+ years as a Firearms Instructor. I also at some point in their training, have students bring a black or Navy blue t-shirt to staple over their target. This gives them NO FEEDBACK as to where their rounds are hitting, and they ALWAYS, UNCONSCIOUSLY seek that feedback; their resulting targets, SHOULD have groups JUST AS SMALL as normal but instead look like targets shot at by a shotgun with 00-buck from 25 yards. You Must KNOW and have CONFIDENCE as to where your shots will hit... Hammer USAF SSgt; US Army CW4/SrAviator; INS/ICE/CBP, ret.
In a serious gunfight you will discover that whatever you have AIN'T ENOUGH!!! when the bullets start flyin your direction. That said, the lower torso shot will take a bad guy off his feet. The true quick stops are to the brain or nervous system. I have seen instant one shot stops that struck the heart.Then there is always the outlier, a combatant who is fatally hit and goes on to absorb multiple GSW,s before they drop. Almost any bullet can stop a human, but marksmanship is the key. Take it from a lucky SOB who has got his ass shot off more than once.
Hallucinogens do not dull pain. If anything, they enhance pain. The drugs you are referring to would be sensation deadening drugs such as heroin or morphine.
Two (2) in the Chest-- initial rounds... One (1) in the Head--- focused on that front sight post... Dump remaining rounds in the Pelvic Girdle... RELOAD and scan your sector.
In my one and only "gunfight" I was dragged from my car by the ringleader of a group of 5 lowlifes...As he was pulling me from my car, I slid my revolver from under the seat, and when he spun me around by my left arm I stuck the gunbarrel into the center of his gut and thumbed back the hammer...The sound attracted his attention, he looked down and froze...There was a moment of sheer terror, but not mine. I backed him up about 3 feet, then raised my gun up so the rest could see it, and yelled "spread out"...They complied...QUICKLY...During the whole incident, from the time I told my wife to leave the club, while I played rear guard at the door, to the time I was dragged from the car, I was playing out the scenario in my head and knew exactly how it would play out. I had no fear whatsoever...I live by a credo...Push me, I'll leave, chase me I'll run, catch me, I'll shoot you....That time it was not necessary...
Blood, Brain, Bone, "Balls". A hit below the belt is not only effective to interfering with the bad guy's ability to focus on his aggression, it is easier to hit than the brain. The groin is not the primary target but the region including the hips is a larger area than the ocular cavity. Upper chest hits will lower blood pressure but the brain will still function for several seconds. Pop til they drop with a high capacity, low recoil weapon is the key. 9mm ammo is much more effective than the old FBI Winchester Silvertips that expanded too quickly and retarded penetration in the 1986 Dade County fight. This is a very good, straight to the point video.
thanks for watching! A shot to the pelvis or "little brain" is more effective when done with a rifle...not necessarily a pistol. It might be mortal...but I want it lethal, immediately..not next week
@@CraigSummers Although we don't try the trick shot of shooting the gun out of the hand, multiple center mass shots are likely to hit a hand, arm or gun itself which will stop the enemy from shooting which is the best scenario.
.45 long colt in SAA pistols are what was used to replace the .38 colt revolver in the late Philippine Insurrection.. 45 acp was in too short of supply to affect the outcome of the insurrection. As for the overall premise of your discussion, I agree. Shot placement is the key to a successful outcome. I just wouldn't want to depend on a .25 acp and perfect placement when I have some wiggle room with my 10mm. In my humble opinion.
center of the sternum a 3 round burst is a kill only outcome. the first round hits the sternum the second hits the throat or misses and the last round enters from just below the nose to the eyebrow depending on your barrel length at 10 yards
You didn't touch on bullet velocity and penetration. I would like to find information on why velocity and/or penetration are important metrics in gun design. For example the difference between a .22 LR and .22 magnum, etc.
I don't know why no ammo manufacturers make full-wadcutter hollow-points. I swage my own out of 255 grain soft-lead bullets for my .45 colt derringer. They cut a perfect .45 caliber entry wound, then quickly expand to about about .68 caliber. Any hit center-mass, major vessels or not, will result in blood pouring out of that wide-open entry hole.
they were smoking opium and they wrapped pig intestines around joints to stop blood loss/bleeding out. which is kind of funny as pigs are unclean to them. also best thhing for center mass is a 12 gauge with buck shot.
Cletus Strouf The drug they used was called "juramentado" and the US troops were indeed issued 12 gauge shotguns but I have to disagree that all "handgun calibers" are equal!
I thought "juramentado" was the name for the guys making the attacks? I dont believe all handgun calibers are equal either... neither do wild hogs. (LOL)
@@matovicmmilan first of all it is spelled hurementado and its not a drug, its a mental state of losing control of yourself, ( mental, physical, moral) going berserk? did I spell that right? lol. and not the name of anybody.
Notice that the pelvis "target" is much bigger than the head. Originally we were taught two to the chest then one to the hips. I still believe that is best.
Just now finding this, and your advice is sound, even if old. But old advice often comes from people who lived to give the advice. From my own perspective I've been leaning more towards bullets that will penetrate deeply enough to those essential giblets like spine or heart/lungs/aorta, regardless of bullet type. For choice of rounds ballistic media tests are useful, but not for temporary or permanent cavity size; I'm looking for that 16+ inches of penetration through bone or meat that shields the organs and not whether the .355" projectile ends up measuring .500" or more.
Warriors also don’t react to pain the way “normal” people do. As an example Sheriff Grady Judd recently told of a officer who was shot in the foot, breaking two bones, chasing down the man that shot him and winning the gun fight. I cracked my thighbone and got back up and continued bucking hay. I later served 23 years in the military. The first elected senator from Hawaii was injured multiple times on his last day of combat, winning his last fight after his arm was blown off. Rodger Young, and the list goes on. All that said, 5 years ago I was faced with a possible kidnapping, I was 3rd party, and felt that the only “stop shot” I could safely make was to the pelvis. Fortunately the woman didn’t try to leave with the infant so I didn’t need to take action. Therefore I do agree with the selection of target he describes.
I think I have seen this dead horse beaten as much if not more than any discussion I have ever come across on RU-vid. Yes handgun shots to the pelvic region pokes holes and no handgun shots are not likely to shatter bone. Yes, handgun shots may not be the best to do pelvic shots with but, no it's not impossible to incapacitate a bad guy with pelvic region shots with a handgun. To create the situation of blood loss due to handgun shots in the pelvic region requires some very precise shot placement and to hit the major arteries there relies mostly on pure unmitigated luck. So, the best chance for creating an instantaneous cessation of forward movement there is only one zone that will do the job and that is the fatal T zone and even that zone requires some very good self control with fairly precise shot placement. However, IF we have practiced and mastered (as much as humanly possible) stress fire, a double tap or a series of double taps from the Adams Apple area to the point slightly above the brow ridge WILL stop all forward motion. These shots, with the exception of the area above the brow ridge may NOT cause instant termination, they WILL stop the bad guy from continuing on toward you. So, the point here is; Never never never take one person's word on what will or won't work in any given situation. The one thing I have mentioned here that WILL stop all forward motion even among those who are hopped up on some mind altering drug is, the shots that contact directly the spinal column or the brain.
As a Vietnam Vet, a retired Police Officer, and a NRA Certified Police/Civilian Firearms Instructor, we teach people to shoot center mass for several reasons. One is that most people(that includes police/military/civilian) are not expert marksman and center mass is easier to aim at and hit. Especially in stress situations. In law enforcement/military double tap is the rule, one to CM, 2nd to head. Your statement that pistol rounds have no stopping power per se is not true. A .45 to the chest carries more energy than a 9mm(ex: suspect shot 11 times with a 9mm), precisely why police went to .40 cal. Even SEALs went back to .45acp. Why? Stopping power.
In answer to the recent post, most military went to 9mm due to NATO requirements, also more ammo can be carried, more clips, less recoil, same reason they went to the 5.56(.223) NATO rules of engagement, firearms that can be carried etc. Police aren't hampered by those rules. Check it out.
Three things you can’t postpone without dire consequences: Calling a Doctor when gutshot. Finding a toilet when traveling in India. Paying your people. Ain’t no one gonna stay in a fight when gutshot.
Stopping power for pistols is a matter of disrupting vital organs and the things within bodies that keep it moving. Large arteries and veins, the heart and brain. Any well designed bullet is capable of doing that from .22 cal to 500 s/w. Some just do it a bit better!
I read interview with pro Canadian government shooter who used .45acp. His first shot was to belt buckle & lower- for 3 reasons: 1) pain, 2) bleed out quickly, 3) fear- they think you are trying to destroy their manhood. Next shot was to the brain. They will then be DOA.
When I was a police officer and later a CSI I studied thousands of officer-involved shootings that were reported to the FBI over about a twenty-year period. I've also personally investigated hundreds of shootings. As a result of my research and personal experience, I have come to the conclusion that a pistol with a caliber equal to or over forty caliber pistol has two important advantages. 1. Larger caliber projectiles create more damage. This means greater bleeding which then results in faster incapacitation. 2. People shot with pistol calibers below .40 caliber often do not realize that they have been shot until some time after the event while people shot with pistols of .40 caliber and above reported feeling it immediately. This also explains why the 45 Colt outperformed the 38 caliber pistol in the Philippines. PS I tell people to aim halfway between the armpits.
Good general info on shot placement, though some of the particulars are a bit off. The big center mass target increases your chance of hitting something important, but if you have time to actually aim, then armpit height, dead center will give you a very good result.... heart is ruptured and bleeding out, spinal column is severed around T6 which likely gives you a paraplegic. This is an important difference in aiming since we always know where the armpits are and button placement on a polo shirt ??? Anatomy doesn't change. As for the head shot..... you want to hit the brain stem, which is the lights out shot. Brain stem is located centerline from the top of the eye socket to the bottom of the nose. A forehead shot may not do the trick depending on angle of trajectory. Basically, shoot them in the center of the face!!! Just a little more info for those wanting to be a little more precise if given the opportunity!
When you draw your pistol from your holster shoot first into the pelvis and the guns going to come up naturally then you go to the torso and then you aim at head...
I complete agree, we can also argue that a 22lr will not destroy the bone as easy as the 45, mainly because of the energy behind these calibers. (let´s compare with rocks, a 50 gram rock to your elbow will probably not break it, a 250 gram rock at the same velocity has got many more chances). A 22, 25 acp, 32 acp... they can break bone, they can ricochet inside the body, the can kill, I´m not understimating these cartridges at all, but at the end of the day you need a bullet that can break the bone enough either to destroy disable that limb, or simply penetrate it and hit a vital. On the other hand, I can see many more chances of a small caliber to the lower abdominal area or even the groin, if we talk about the bullet bouncing and destroying the mobility of the threat, and a threat that can´t move can be finished much easier than someone behind cover, concealment, or simply running like crazy. At the end of the day, it´s all about shot placement with a projectile that can actually penetrate the human bones and organs effectively.
agree. kinetic energy is proportional to mass and proportional to the SQUARE of velocity, so at smaller velocities, mass matters more. very high velocity, even a 'small' round has a ton of energy
I hate to say this but ,In 2004 in Iraq, I shot a guy 2 times in center mass, he dropped at first, I thought he was dead and egaged another Target, I looked over and saw him stand up, and run 20 yards behind a building. So yeah when adrenaline gets going people become super human.
@@wellingtonrodrigues7654 : If possible, aim/shoot at the side of the neck (jugular vein) - even if they're wearing body armour - once that area is hit, enemy is down and highly likely they won't survive.
What they made a 45 ACP? I (still) be rocking the 45 Colt! The “Taylor Knock Out Index”: Velocity (in fps) x Weight (in grains) x Diameter (in inches) = _ divided by 7,000 [to convert into foot pounds of energy]. 9mm: [1901 AD] (Original) Standard P - 1180 x 115 x .355 = 48,173.5 divided by 7,000 = 6.88 ft pd Underwood Ammo 9mm: Standard P - 1300 x 115 x .355 = 53,072.5 divided by 7000 = 7.58 ft pd +P - 1100 x 147 x .355 = 57,403.5 divided by 7000 = 8.2 ft pd +P+ - 1550 x 90 x .355 = 49,522.5 divided by 7000 = 7.07 ft pd - (?) Notice how big and slow is better than little and faster every time? Well now, it ain’t just what she said anymore! And on that note - 45 ACP: [1904 AD] Standard P - 835 x 230 x .451 = 86,614.55 divided by 7,000 = 12.37 ft pd Underwood Ammo 45 ACP: +P - 925 x 255 x .452 = 106,615.5 divided by 7000 = 15.23 ft pd Fools Figure, but Figures don't Fool! Which now leads us to the Facts - 45 Colt: [1872 AD] (Original) Standard P - 1000 x 235 x .456 = 107,160 divided by 7,000 = 15.3 ft pd Original Underwood Ammo 45 Colt: Standard P - 1000 x 250 x .452 = 113,000 divided by 7,000 = 16.14 ft pd - Xtreme Penetrator +P - 1400 x 250 x .452 = 158,200 divided by 7,000 = 22.6ft pd - Xtreme Penetrator +P This is the results of big getting faster. So, "faster can be goods so long as size is not compromised!" And I quoted her on that. [Liberty Ammunition 45 Colt: Standard P - 1800 x 78 x .452 = 63,460.8 divided by 7,000 = 9.0658 ft pd - Civil Defense Showing little going fast is just that, and nothing more!] +P - 1325 x 325 x .452 = 194,642.5 divided by 7,000 = 27.8 ft pd - Long Flat Nose Gas Check Hi-Tek Coated Hard Cast +P This is the results of big getting bigger! As so did her eyes! Standard P - 900 x 220 x .452 = 89,496 divided by 7,000 = 12.785 ft pd - Maximum Expansion (before it expands) Standard P - 900 x 220 x 1.75 = 346,500 divided by 7,000 = 49.5 ft pd - Maximum Expansion (after it expands) This is the results of big becoming HUGE! At this point she was speechless(?).
