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More than 2,000 years ago, the Greek philosopher Plato recounted the legend of the Ring of Gyges in “Republic.” The story of the ring surfaces as the philosopher, Socrates, and his student discuss why people act justly: is it because it’s what’s right? Or because it’s a convention that’s enforced through punishment and reward? Alex Gendler shares the allegory of the ill-gotten, magical ring.
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@TEDEd
@TEDEd Год назад
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@Albin09
@Albin09 Год назад
Nice Animation👋
@aiworldvn
@aiworldvn Год назад
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@SuiLover
@SuiLover Год назад
Speaking about myths and lessons from them, I'm hoping to see The Hanging Gardens of Babylon in this channel someday. If I'm not mistaken, to this day, its location's remains has yet to be found.
@kieranrollinson8750
@kieranrollinson8750 Год назад
.......ULTIMATE................ PPOOOOOWWWWEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
@taorbdhilxa5321
@taorbdhilxa5321 Год назад
我是不是已经在全能宇宙之外了👏
@martineldritch
@martineldritch Год назад
Such a ring would never corrupt me. Ever. It is too powerful to squander. Too precious. My precious.
@immintyfresh
@immintyfresh Год назад
MY PRECIOUSSSSS *giggles in goblin*
@verlax8956
@verlax8956 Год назад
ok
@Euclib
@Euclib Год назад
@@immintyfresh bruh said goblin
@GlamorousTitanic21
@GlamorousTitanic21 Год назад
Your precious? It’s been called that before. But not by you.
@swide2750
@swide2750 Год назад
no man can resist power. you’d have to a monster already to resist.
@DirtballJones
@DirtballJones Год назад
Plato clearly copied Tolkien
@lydianicolenorwick125
@lydianicolenorwick125 26 дней назад
😂
@jubjubbird56
@jubjubbird56 25 дней назад
Obviously
@ManliusTorquatus-ef7sz
@ManliusTorquatus-ef7sz 24 дня назад
Your entire civilization is based on the bedrock that is my civilization
@ManliusTorquatus-ef7sz
@ManliusTorquatus-ef7sz 24 дня назад
Greek culture reigns supreme
@jubjubbird56
@jubjubbird56 23 дня назад
@@ManliusTorquatus-ef7sz heh?
@bernardoohigginsvevo2974
@bernardoohigginsvevo2974 Год назад
This allegory is actually based on a real story that happened in Ancient Ionia (Anatolian Greece), minus the magic ring of course. Gyges was the bodyguard of the Lydian king, Candaules, and the two were close friends. One day, Candaules decided to show off his wife, the queen, to Gyges. Gyges did not want to, but the king forced him to, so he hid behind a curtain and watched as the queen undressed. As he tried to escape, he was spotted by the queen, who gave him a choice. He could either kill Candaules and marry the queen to become the new king of Lydia, or he would be killed by the queen's other bodyguards. Gyges reluctantly chose the first option, and assassinated Candaules to become king himself. So, in this version, there are certainly similarities, but the king plays a much more sinister role, and he essentially dooms himself through his pride.
@solomonosazuva6472
@solomonosazuva6472 Год назад
Wow! Ill read up on that!
@hqqphh
@hqqphh 11 месяцев назад
The story of Gyges was documented by Greek historian Herodotus in his book “Histories”. Herodotus is considered the father of history.
@OrloxPhoenix
@OrloxPhoenix 11 месяцев назад
@hqqphhw hat a lame and hard to google name for a book 😅 At least the name if the author is very unique tho
@klosnj11
@klosnj11 11 месяцев назад
I am actually reading Heroditous' Histories right now. The whole lead up to the rise of the persians because of the greek king Croesus misinterpreting the Oracle...all so fascinating. I also love how he gives different contradicting accounts and explains why he thinks one is correct, but lets the reader decide for themselves. I wish more history was written like that.
@lyndislegion287
@lyndislegion287 11 месяцев назад
ah so that's probably where candaulism comes from. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
@user-tw3zd6im9l
@user-tw3zd6im9l 3 месяца назад
Everybody comments on how well executed the animation and narration are and, while I agree, I think the background music deserves some recognition, too -- it's so beautiful and fitting!
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme 4 дня назад
If background music was noticeable, then it failed at its job.
@bawbsmith
@bawbsmith 3 дня назад
@@itsgonnabeanaurfrommeWhat kind of idiocy is this
@ladylightning1741
@ladylightning1741 Год назад
Glaucon: I mean, who WOULDN'T immediately hatch a plan to seduce the queen and murder the king if they got a ring that made them invisible? Me: How oddly specific
@ryanhernandez8324
@ryanhernandez8324 Год назад
Its an allegory for getting one second of power
@rayf1568
@rayf1568 Год назад
You have something to tell the class Glaucon?
@kosherre6243
@kosherre6243 Год назад
@@rayf1568 * looks down in mild shame *
@SwiftDustStorm
@SwiftDustStorm Год назад
it's an allegory representing benefit without consequence
@dirt_dert_durt
@dirt_dert_durt Год назад
Definitely something he thought up in the bathhouse. He was like "Dang that's good; I hope I get the opportunity to bring it up naturally with Socrates"
@52flyingbicycles
@52flyingbicycles Год назад
I think we’ve identified 4 types of fun 1) fun in the moment (eating cake) 2) onerous in the moment, but we enjoy the value it brings (exercise) 3) fun in the moment and it brings value (reading) 4) onerous in the moment and brings no value (league of legends)
@koko65a18
@koko65a18 Год назад
Thanks man... Guess u understood it well
@LecherousLizard
@LecherousLizard Год назад
What about 5) Maining Yasuo?
@iamgroot4553
@iamgroot4553 Год назад
'league of legends' 💀
@Sanches7557
@Sanches7557 Год назад
@@LecherousLizard no fun at all and no value received? XD
@LecherousLizard
@LecherousLizard Год назад
@@Sanches7557 The type of fun a person who'd enjoy skinning a puppy would have.
@chesterbless9441
@chesterbless9441 Год назад
Sounds like Plato was a Tolkien fan
@1337w0n
@1337w0n 23 дня назад
And a Freudian psychologist.
@yYSilverFoxYy
@yYSilverFoxYy 22 дня назад
HE WAS A TIME TRAVELER!
@iasimov5960
@iasimov5960 2 дня назад
Or a Wagner fan.
@devinweathersby3668
@devinweathersby3668 Год назад
As someone who has actually struggled with addiction and understands the power behind the quote: "I can resist everything except temptation." -Oscar Wilde. I firmly am under the opinion that many fail, if not all fail this test like Frodo. But like Frodo, the strongest bearers of strength of character will inevitably redeem themselves and their integrity. Facing the darkness alone and without aid is all too maddening but the strongest carry it farther. When the former addict says, "I don't drink." It is a bound promise to hold oneself to a standard of integrity and fight to become better. It is a struggle but god has life never carried on so much better than forgoing addiction. One day it importance fades but the meaning is eternal.
@noirekuroraigami2270
@noirekuroraigami2270 Год назад
Ummm Frodo totally succumbs to the ring. Its Golem who ultimately destroys the ring. Also a good portion of the burden had to be carried by Sam at the end. im not saying that your thought isn't good, im just saying that maybe you should probably read the story
@Gebohq
@Gebohq Год назад
I believe, at least in some ways, that as using the internet allows us some anonymity, we see how we act with our own limited invisibility rings.
@thaikeaugusto4356
@thaikeaugusto4356 Год назад
Yes!!!
@alaskawashington
@alaskawashington Год назад
so true
@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
Indeed! And most interesting it is. Some, shrouded by anonymity act unjustly no doubt. Some even do so with _no_ tangible external benefit! Others very much do not, even when it offers no external benefit to themselves. To me, it all seems reliant on the person's strength of character.
@dashiellgillingham4579
@dashiellgillingham4579 Год назад
And the tremendous rise of injustice since the internet’s development is an excellent example of Plato’s Socrates being wrong.
@xandercorp6175
@xandercorp6175 Год назад
Not just see our behaviour under such conditions, but ponder and reason about it, and improve it over time if we have sufficient will.
@EvonixTheGreatest
@EvonixTheGreatest Год назад
Huh, I had never gotten why the superficial power of the One Ring was invisibility before. The idea of escaping the consequences and judgement for your actions, letting you act freely on your desires really ties into it's whole theme.
@jacobfreeman5444
@jacobfreeman5444 Год назад
Well, the base idea is likely ancient. But the One Ring never made anyone invisible. It allowed them access to the realm of spirits. Which by extension hide the wearer from view in the physical sense. But in the spiritual they shone like a beacon. This is why Frodo putting on the Ring in front of the Nazgul only made both parties stand out to each other. And why wearing the Ring was enough to make it possible for Sauron to find you. Sauron was using his own powers to locate the Ring so any sudden and new beacon in the spirit realm was sure to be a Ring bearer and thus be the focus of his attention.
@gustoguy6238
@gustoguy6238 Год назад
And since the ring has its own “will”, it can never be used for good, since it corrupts. Bombadil seems to be the only exception, but I don’t know much about the character.
@llamarama6976
@llamarama6976 Год назад
Ive also heard that the power the one ring can actually provide also depends on how powerful you were before hand. Thats why it was entrusted to a hobbit rather than gandalf who wouldnt dare take it himself. Because in gandalfs hands he could level continents and bring the world to its knees.
@GlaurungTheGreat
@GlaurungTheGreat Год назад
@@gustoguy6238 You are correct. Even Bombadil couldn't use the ring for good: he was simply unaffected by it. Wise characters like Gandalf and Elrond assure us that the ring can never be used for good, with the only counterargument coming from rather less reliable sources, like Boromir.
@TheBoldImperator
@TheBoldImperator Год назад
Note that invisibility was the only power of the One Ring before it was properly written as the One Ring (e.g. in the unrevised Hobbit). Invisibility rings have been a common fixture of fantasy since Plato so it is likely that Tolkien was simply borrowing from an existing tradition rather than making a direct call back to the Ring of Gyges.
@spiderplant
@spiderplant Год назад
Too bad they didn't know about shopping cart returns back then. Would have solved everything they debated.
@Arbidarb
@Arbidarb 22 дня назад
Except that I always return the cart, but know that I am doing it for myself rather than others.
@thegatorhator6822
@thegatorhator6822 21 день назад
It's funny. I always had VERY strong negative feelings towards people not returning them long before I saw the memes online.
@maxgosselin62
@maxgosselin62 Год назад
First, I think it's actually super cool that the one ring was based of an ancient Greek philosophical anecdote, and second, I think it's kind of both the second and third type of good thing under different circumstances. Doing nice things often feels nice in addition to contributing to a social good that you reap benefits from indirectly, but being a good person ISN'T always that easy. Sometimes it's downright painful, and doing the wrong thing is the more immediately gratifying course of action (assuming you don't have a strong immediate sense of guilt that's intense enough to override the immediate gratification of being bad. Which is definitely the case for a lot of people under certain circumstances). I don't think it's necessarily incorrect to say that people avoid doing bad things to avoid long term consequences, even if there's no long term consequences coming from an external source. When you don't exercise, you don't feel bad immediately, but you might start feeling more sluggish and unhealthy as time goes on. There's nobody coming in and doing that to you, its just your body reacting to you not taking care of it. Similarly, that disarray of the soul Socrates talks about isn't an immediate pain that spurs people to good behavior, it's just the spiritual equivalent of having an unhealthy body, which can cause misery in more subtle ways that are harder to pin down.
@rafexrafexowski4754
@rafexrafexowski4754 11 месяцев назад
Correction: Tolkien based the One Ring off of a Germanic story of "Der Ring des Nibelungen", as he took a lot from Germanic, especially Anglo-Saxon culture. Said story was the one inspired by the ring of Gyges, although Tolkien probably read Plato's "Republic" and knew the original story anyway.
@GScottActing
@GScottActing 11 месяцев назад
Plenty of people do bad things because it benefits them with no fear of consequences. Plenty of people do good things that doesn't immediately benefit them out of empathy. I don't think it's as simple as a single equation for everyone.
@omernavaid4712
@omernavaid4712 Год назад
I like how at 4:05 the chariot dominated by Reason just says 'Reason', but the chariot dominated by Appetite says 'Treason'. It's just a nice touch
@thaikeaugusto4356
@thaikeaugusto4356 Год назад
Well seen! Nice!
@omernavaid4712
@omernavaid4712 Год назад
@@thaikeaugusto4356 thanks my man
@sumdumbmick
@sumdumbmick Год назад
that leaded gasoline back in the day hit you hard, didn't it?
@omernavaid4712
@omernavaid4712 Год назад
@@sumdumbmick not sure i understand but yes, perhaps
@scienceme9794
@scienceme9794 Год назад
It's Treason, then
@nietzschesghost8529
@nietzschesghost8529 Год назад
Socrates makes an interesting move by placing the bad consequences of acting unjustly in the "soul" rather than externally, since clearly the unjust often benefit externally. And though it's not true in all cases, it does seem to often be the case that the unjust person struggles with inner peace. It's hard to think of a dictator who was ever truly happy.
@user-eh1gc7xo7q
@user-eh1gc7xo7q Год назад
But happiness is subjective. A dictator may not think their soul unjust at all. After all, wasn’t Stalin or Mussolini convinced of their own enlightenment?
@Riyoshi000
@Riyoshi000 Год назад
@@user-eh1gc7xo7q they all are, including your president or pm
@akshaytiwari4994
@akshaytiwari4994 Год назад
@@user-eh1gc7xo7q Agreed, it is subjective and hence any deductions made about "bad" deeds and people somewhat lack an understanding of the person's inner self, which of course is always hard to ascertain.
@user-eh1gc7xo7q
@user-eh1gc7xo7q Год назад
@@akshaytiwari4994 To build upon that, I’d argue it’s impossible for the individual themselves to ascertain an understanding on their inner self. It oscillates frequently
@akshaytiwari4994
@akshaytiwari4994 Год назад
@@user-eh1gc7xo7q Yes and hence any and all manner of debates about ethics circles back on itself. This problem of assuming our truths to be universal truths also distorts many principles in psychology.
@MediumHeatJazz
@MediumHeatJazz 9 месяцев назад
An important note about the ring of gyges. It doesn't merely grant a person invisibility, but rather grants the wearer the ability to achieve their own desires. For Geyges it did this by giving him the power of invisibility allowing him to seduce the queen and take over the kingdom.
@eleksitia
@eleksitia 9 месяцев назад
oh gosh....
@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx 3 месяца назад
The power to escape the consequences is the best way to describe the power of concealment after all.
@MediumHeatJazz
@MediumHeatJazz 3 месяца назад
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Very true and great description.
@RENEG4DE4NGEL
@RENEG4DE4NGEL 7 дней назад
Am I the only one who doesn't understand how to seduce women by becoming invisible? Is that a thing they really like? 😅
@frogyafro
@frogyafro Год назад
The animation is on another level, so clean and simple and its so effective.
@luxuryhub1323
@luxuryhub1323 Год назад
I was hooked from Galadriel's opening line: "Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and lookaround once in a while, you could miss it". I'm shaking with anticipation. Not even Tolkien could envision such a majestic quest to the distant lands of downtown Chicago.
@aiworldvn
@aiworldvn Год назад
Interesting video! Can you give me your comment about my channel? Thank everyone
@greenmustard493
@greenmustard493 Год назад
Lmao
@BelcarrigFarm
@BelcarrigFarm Год назад
Galadriel Bueller's day off
@seriousnesstv7902
@seriousnesstv7902 Год назад
My favorite part is when Legolas says “Middle Earth is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna get” simply magnificent writing there.
@sammcdermott4270
@sammcdermott4270 Год назад
Goated movie
@nobodyimportant4778
@nobodyimportant4778 Год назад
The various philosophers' interpretation of justice is more revealing of themselves than of the world at large. Some of them would have no reason to act justly if there was no punishment, some enjoy being kind for the sake of it, and some have an idealistic perception of themselves as just which they have to uphold. Each believes every other human is motivated by the same things as them. Ironically as a whole, i think all their accounts combined work amazingly well to depict that individuals have vastly different survival strategies, and that justice is a blanket attempt to keep them all in check.
@anoukfleur2513
@anoukfleur2513 11 месяцев назад
That’s actually a really good philosophical insight. I wonder what category it would fall under if this piece of ‘meta-philosophy’ was added to the collection? Would it also be moral philosophy, and if that’s the case, would your theory be considered by itself?
@padarousou
@padarousou 10 месяцев назад
Well justice can be objectively definined, people can have personal opinions about it but justice is not subject to interpretation. We are all predisposed to exhibit animalistic behaviors which punishments help to subdue. Humans are fundamentally motivated by the same things, see Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs for example. People are vastly different and that is more true for humans than of any single species on earth. "Justice" is a check initself because it holds people accountable to a certain standard and can't be seen as a "blanket attempt" for anything because it's very nature is at the heart of human interaction.
@yourmum69_420
@yourmum69_420 9 месяцев назад
best take in the comment section and video combined. I totally agree
@cakeyeater7392
@cakeyeater7392 7 месяцев назад
​@@padarousou some people seek justice as a way of righting the wrongs of the world. In that sense, justice is not a punishment except for those that *want* to wrong others. For people who's personal motivations have them helping others, justice is seen as something to aspire to. They not only recognize the value of justice, but they enjoy pursuing it. Many people do not feel a strong pull to act on harmful "animalistic" desires
@padarousou
@padarousou 7 месяцев назад
@@cakeyeater7392 Justice is a means to stabilize civilization by the inhibition of "wrongdoing" by people to maintain harmony for the greater good. To be a human is to accept these confines of society, and we understand this so intrinsically that it is basically baked into our DNA. With that said, we are still animals, and our instincts aren't so refined so as to make us as tame as robots. Which is to say- no matter how good a person you are, you still have primal instincts just as sure as you have a beating heart. Therefore it is the role of society to provide opportunity for our instincts to sublimate and manifest, while justice serves as a check to make sure it doesn't get out of hand.
@bradmitchell5217
@bradmitchell5217 11 месяцев назад
I like how the giant must have died invisibly. Hiding his himself from the world. Kind of interesting part of the story which you wish you could know more about!
@drishthesquish
@drishthesquish 8 месяцев назад
Just have to say that this was very well animated. Each scene held a lot of information while remaining easy to digest. Not easy to pull off! Well narrated too!
@tjwoosta
@tjwoosta Год назад
I didn't understand it when I was young, but it definitely is in your best interest to maintain your integrity and moral standing in this world, with or without rules or people enforcing them. Even if nobody else ever hears about what you do it will always be there in the back of your mind undermining your self esteem. Every little insignificant impropriety accumulates and impacts everything you say or do, but like a frog in hot water you won't notice until its too late.
@kieranrollinson8750
@kieranrollinson8750 Год назад
.......ULTIMATE................ PPOOOOOWWWWEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
@TheOmegaXicor
@TheOmegaXicor Год назад
Good point but the frog thing is a myth
@scambammer6102
@scambammer6102 Год назад
humans are very good at rationalizing our deeds and motives. rarely does anyone ever admit, to himself or others, that he has done anything wrong, even if he has.
@NickRoman
@NickRoman Год назад
@@scambammer6102 , I have definitely done wrong things, though nothing major. Nevertheless, it seems like there will always be someone in the world who would judge just about anything we think or say or do as wrong. So, how could we even judge what is right or wrong if not from our own subjective experience?
@bobbyburgle4536
@bobbyburgle4536 Год назад
Humans are social animals. Our survival depended on how well we cooperated with those in our community. It's in our nature to be kind and helpful. That is not to say we can be cruel but to say that is all we are is just lies by those who think they now better. If you don't need a God then you don't need a ruler to know what's right or wrong.
@7eventh
@7eventh Год назад
“Sometimes when I consider what tremendous consequences come from little things, I am tempted to think... there are no little things." - Bruce Barton
@Zeiru
@Zeiru Год назад
Reminds me of a similar saying. "They say 'don't sweat the small stuff' but that's all life is; a series of small stuff."
@cyruahawkins5289
@cyruahawkins5289 11 месяцев назад
I can't think of the saying but I swear there's one like "little things create a big thing" Like doing a small thing a lot makes it no longer a little thing.
@thinginground5179
@thinginground5179 11 месяцев назад
@@cyruahawkins5289 thats just obvious
@getriebenesauge9683
@getriebenesauge9683 23 дня назад
Putting the numbers on doric, ionic and korinthean pedestals IN THAT ORDER warms my heart.
@hanludoyle
@hanludoyle 8 месяцев назад
The Illustration / animation for this is simply marvelous.
@ferociousmaliciousghost
@ferociousmaliciousghost Год назад
I'd say they are both right. Some people are good for the sake of being good while others do it because being good gives you benefits. Being good for the sake of being good can make someone happy while being good for the sake of benefits allows you to work with people to further your own goals.
@gaylussac6156
@gaylussac6156 Год назад
Isn’t being happy a benefit of being good though? That would mean people only do good for a benefit, whether it’s tangible or not. Perceived benefit.
@banerjeehome5913
@banerjeehome5913 Год назад
@@gaylussac6156 But Socrates never said some people are good just for the sake of being good. He said they're good for both reasons together. So it's actually Socrates alone who is right.
@Normal_user_coniven
@Normal_user_coniven Год назад
I don't think it possible to be both right. However, I think that they are both wrong. They said true facts, but they made wrong conclusions put of that. Using true facts does't necessary means you reached a true conclusion. You should be aware and awake for that point.
@astronauteer1215
@astronauteer1215 Год назад
@@Normal_user_coniven you should dig deeper in philosophy before you can even say they're both wrong. Or comprehend it a little more to realize something about the topic until you can't and just give up...
@quietguyjosh4643
@quietguyjosh4643 Год назад
being good for the sake of benefits is how i used to operate but it didn't keep me out of trouble and it caused me too much internal conflict now i just try to be good for the sake of being good and i feel so much better but it means i don't like working for others now but i help out more
@snowfoxxie
@snowfoxxie Год назад
The fact the giant died.. I wonder if that has significance in the story. You can have all the power- but not escape our inevitable end, even in Harry Potter the one with the invisibility cloak found death in the end. Frodo also boarded a boat at the end of the book of lord of the rings-suggesting he “leaves this world”/kind of has a death that actually isn’t one or is left open.
@CamerHD
@CamerHD Год назад
Frodo sails west with the Elves which I think means he will live with them forever
@aminulhussain2277
@aminulhussain2277 Год назад
@@CamerHD Hobbits have a finite lifespan and will inevitably pass on into the afterlife.
@TheOmegaXicor
@TheOmegaXicor Год назад
@@CamerHD yea, everyone that went west sailed to just outside of the undying lands but only Gandalf and the Elves set foot upon it, the Hobbits and Gimli where able to look upon it but were buried on a small island just off the coast.
@nekoyin8040
@nekoyin8040 Год назад
it reminds me of the myth that people who die and go to the underworld will have to cross a river by boat to truly get inside
@Aereto
@Aereto Год назад
@@CamerHD Frodo went with the Elves, particularly some of his wounds have lasting effects that need to be tended to for the rest of his life.
@vbywrde
@vbywrde Год назад
Interesting. There is also mentioned in The Prose Edda a ring by the name of Draupnir, "a gold ring possessed by the god Odin with the ability to multiply itself: Every ninth night, eight new rings 'drip' from Draupnir, each one of the same size and weight as the original." This too is an ancient myth. Which came first, however, the ring of Gyges, or the ring of Odin is difficult to say because the Viking mythos come ancient times, somewhere around 800 AD, and are likely far older... There is also the magic ring in the Nibelungenlied, which was enchanted to grant one power over the whole world. But one thing seems certain... Tolkien was likely influenced by Draupnir and the ring of the Nibelungenlied , and the One Ring is a reflection of it, and quite possibly a fusion of the three rings, Draupnir, the Ring of Power, and Gyges.
@davemiller6055
@davemiller6055 Год назад
Tolkien constructed his world and story under the inspiration of Western mythology. Norse, Greek, even the story of Atlantis from Plato. If you are familiar with these things you'll see their tracks all over Tokien's works. It's no coincidence that the One Rings themes resemble this story.
@rebelrevs151
@rebelrevs151 Год назад
TED-ED is such a wonderful platform to learn about different things, with all their animation and everything its just difficult concept made easy to learn and understand.
@aiworldvn
@aiworldvn Год назад
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@kieranrollinson8750
@kieranrollinson8750 Год назад
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@DarkShadows713
@DarkShadows713 Год назад
If I had a magic ring that turned me invisible I would use it to go walking at night, knowing no one would commit a crime against me that way.
@ameennasar2583
@ameennasar2583 Год назад
But man, beware of dogs. They can always sense you like you're visible
@DarkShadows713
@DarkShadows713 Год назад
@@ameennasar2583 Dogs love me. It's men I'm worried about
@Laocoon283
@Laocoon283 Год назад
But your already a dark shadow. No way anyone can see you at night.
@schaughtful
@schaughtful Год назад
Except a hit and run
@Kjf365
@Kjf365 Год назад
Just walk like a thug looking for a victim and people will walk away from you. Problem solved.
@gaming_bigfoot
@gaming_bigfoot Год назад
To use it would not necessarily mean being corrupted by it. If anything, it would allow one to more freely behave as they truly would-one might say it'd distill their nature to its truest, purest form. But that does not mean such a "pure" state would lack malicious intent. To refuse to use such a ring would be to deny the possibilities offered by it, and therefore to accept the consequences (including the negatives) of not doing so. Thus, it ultimately becomes an illusion of choice, with the so-called "corruption" being perceivable from either decision. Had I such a ring, it would most certainly be put to use. At least then I could take comfort in the notion of actively performing change, rather than passively conceding to change; in this manner I would be forced to accept my actions as my own, rather than refute my inactions as beyond my influence. TL,DR: I'd rather try to make use of it and fail in my accomplishments than surrender the potential and guarantee failure. This comes from hoping for the best but expecting the worst.
@genio2509
@genio2509 Год назад
I agree, and also now see the ring is a lot like money. It doesn't help or corrupt you, it just elevates who you truly are. If you are selfless, you'll put it to use and help others, if you are selfish, you will out it to use and hurt others but serve yourself, and also a middle ground on thinking on you and others. But refusing it would help nobody and serve no one, if you are afraid you would hurt others, you should think first on who you are.
@etherdeef4303
@etherdeef4303 12 дней назад
I resent the idea that anyone has a purest form, its impossible to tell how using such a ring would change anyone. Of course that goes for many things in life, but few are quite so drastic. It depends largely on how happy you are with your life currently, if you seek drastic change, the ring may be a force for good for you. If you are happy, it is wiser to stay well away.
@elleenoel512
@elleenoel512 Год назад
That was awesome! I love finding the mythological basis for a story I know. And the plug at the end!
@DaimonAnimations
@DaimonAnimations Год назад
I do agree with Plato. I had a certain experience where I did something and I went free of punishment but inside me it was eating me alive my own guilt which made me not to abuse what I did before it made me think of the people that got hurt from such action and instead of feeling powerful, it made me feel rotten inside. I tried to correct my error and didn't abuse that power again and it somehow I felt better with myself, my own person felt less rotten so to me I prefer to stay on the side of Justice even if I don't get a reward for it.
@TheGregamonster
@TheGregamonster Год назад
Devil's advocate, but I suspect Glaucon would argue that you only felt guilty because you know you would have been punished if it had come to light. You know that you've avoided the natural order of things, and that causes anxiety. Someone who hadn't been taught that it was wrong, and had that teaching reinforced with consistent punishment may not feel guilty about doing it.
@DaimonAnimations
@DaimonAnimations Год назад
@@TheGregamonster No, I just felt that I wouldn't have like if that would have happened to me, I put myself in the shoes of that person and that made me feel bad for that person so much that it made me regret my actions.
@pravkdey
@pravkdey Год назад
@@DaimonAnimations that's my main motivation too. If I think everyone should act this way I must too. Even if I get burned for it I can still have that righteous unapologetic pride that I stood by my morals
@matthewbadger8685
@matthewbadger8685 Год назад
@@TheGregamonster If somebody's core values prioritize the wellbeing of others, actions that harm to the wellbeing of others will contradict their core values and mean that they are failing to live their life truly successfully, making them feel sad and unfulfilled. So in this case Glaucan would be incorrect, because it's possible for two people to have completely different core values and therefore goals in life.
@chompythebeast
@chompythebeast Год назад
@@DaimonAnimations Yes, empathy is real, and is as natural as the desire to take or steal. Whether we do the one or the other has more to do with the material conditions of our existence than it has to do with anything else. For example, if I must steal to survive, I will, but if I don't have that gun to my head, then I won't. _That's_ what the perfect society strives for, therefore: It strives to fulfill the material wants and needs of its members reasonably and equitably enough such that the majority of antisocial behavior simply ceases to be self-serving. Instead, of course, we encourage endless competition and celebrate extreme inequality under global Capital, and as long as that continues, exploitation and anti-social behavior in return will never be brought under control, no matter how iron-fisted authority may become, and no matter how many cops, soldiers, and death squads are employed in crackdown
@kushkarki5039
@kushkarki5039 Год назад
I like how when breaking down Glaucons reasons they use the three styles of Greek columns, that’s a great touch
@aotearoa_goose3261
@aotearoa_goose3261 11 месяцев назад
Plato must really have liked The Lord of the Rings.
@gabrielcabralparentebezerr5650
@gabrielcabralparentebezerr5650 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video! It was brief, concise and yet very well-made, informative and interesting! 📖
@yokaiwatcher8500
@yokaiwatcher8500 Год назад
If I had a magical ring, I would constantly fiddle with it in on my hand, being all like “im invisible-wait no im not- I’m invisible-wait no im not”
@officialgremlin
@officialgremlin Год назад
I'd materialize out of nowhere right in front of people to get my kicks in, but that WOULD be pretty cool
@AnOceanOnFire
@AnOceanOnFire Год назад
My thought process exactly
@longdang2681
@longdang2681 Год назад
Brings a whole new way of playing peekaboo.
@oliversumagpao21
@oliversumagpao21 Год назад
Hahaha sounds like family guy
@milliondollarmistake
@milliondollarmistake Год назад
i would assault
@cirogarcia8958
@cirogarcia8958 Год назад
I'd be too afraid to abuse the ring's power. It makes you invisible, not invincible and incredibly smart. It adds a single layer of advantage, while there are still many layers of "defense" that do not rely on vision to, for example, detect intruders, or detect movement. It may help you get away with petty crimes, but nothing really ambitious
@renwulf1695
@renwulf1695 9 месяцев назад
Unless you can sneak your way into NORAD and hold the world hostage. 😈
@jms4979
@jms4979 9 месяцев назад
what if the ring make you invincible? would you use it?
@GeorgeMonet
@GeorgeMonet 9 месяцев назад
Being invisible is already enough for most anything you'd want to do.
@Gnome-kc7pr
@Gnome-kc7pr 9 месяцев назад
@@renwulf1695I'm sure thermal imaging would thwart this plan.
@misterbennnn
@misterbennnn 9 месяцев назад
With modern security, you would seriously be limited in what you could do. Robbing a bank, for example, would still be difficult because of the vault door at even the most basic bank. Museums have pressure and weight sensors. Regular sentries would notice paintings floating away and could still hear you strain. A ring of invisibility in the 21st century would let you make pranks and commit petty crimes, like you said, and that's about it.
@diegobravo641
@diegobravo641 3 месяца назад
So interesting and thought induncing! Leaves the viewer with an appetite for the ring.
@turking25
@turking25 Год назад
2 thousand years ago people couldn’t just pose a hypothetical, they had to come up with a whole story with characters, lore, and supernatural elements to say “what if someone could do whatever they wanted without being held accountable for their actions?”
@l.n.3372
@l.n.3372 Год назад
I've heard about this before. But this channel always brings such great animation and attention to detail, that it's worth learning lessons again just to see how Ted Ed will describe it. Once again, I enjoyed the video and learned a lot!
@aiworldvn
@aiworldvn Год назад
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@alexpower9423
@alexpower9423 Год назад
They’re great animations hey - a good one to check out for that is the Bible Project.
@l.n.3372
@l.n.3372 Год назад
@@alexpower9423 I'm not really interested in anything religious.
@skylark7921
@skylark7921 Год назад
My empathy is too overwhelming to go full on murder-the-monarch. Like, I can act selfishly sure, anyone can, but the level at which I experience the pain and negative emotions of those around me would make inflicting such pain and suffering too awful to get any benefit out of it. On the other hand, when I do something nice, the level at which I experience the joy of whoever benefitted is reward in and of itself. Basically, for me doing nice things and not doing awful things is related to a punishment/reward system - it’s just very intrinsic and exists whether or not anyone knows what I’m doing.
@user-gb7ji6xy5d
@user-gb7ji6xy5d Год назад
Well, some people are like that. People often quote the GIFT principle--of people online acting awful because of anonymity--but there are still people online who act nice despite being practically above consequences. Empathy matters a lot because it is there even when nobody's watching.
@buycraft911miner2
@buycraft911miner2 Год назад
I dont think empathy is the main factor in play when doing the right thing; even if alone. I think we act righteously in order to keep our image of being "good", both to other people and to ourselves. Basically, people dont want to be a type of person of which they have negative connotations, so even if their first instinct is to do it, they will stop themselves. In a way, it works the same way, but it is also much more brittle.
@skylark7921
@skylark7921 Год назад
@@buycraft911miner2 true, avoiding the cognitive dissonance of “I want to think of myself as a good person but here I am doing awful things” can also be a good intrinsic motivator. Actually, I remember there was a study which found that autistic people were more likely than neurotypical people to do the morally correct thing when their actions were anonymous (vs roughly even when no anonymous). While some autistic people, like me, experience more intense empathy, it’s also fairly common for autistic people to experience less intense empathy. But one thing which pretty much occurs across-the-board with autism is a hardwired instinct for patterns. If X, then Y. “X” and “Y” can be simple or complex concepts, but for an autistic brain the pattern between them must and will hold. Any other outcome is intensely confusing. So the kind of cognitive dissonance created by doing something bad while viewing yourself as good is even more visceral and inescapable for an autistic person
@rotopercutorash
@rotopercutorash 28 дней назад
Let's take a second to appreciate the quality of this animation. Spot on 👌
@virgil4043
@virgil4043 11 месяцев назад
If I found myself holding a ring with the ability to grant me what i want without consequence then we would all be well fed with a roof over our head. Ive been through a lot but ive found that in life there is nothing more important than sharing what we have and being grateful for it. Ive been without too often to wish even just hunger on someone else. Be what you want to see in the world and others will follow. Those who dont will wish they had eventually
@solarpunkcyborg4663
@solarpunkcyborg4663 Год назад
The original ancient Greek word, Thymos (pronounced thü-moss), is translated here as "spirit", but has been translated as several other things. Will, passion, soul, emotion, etc. It's notoriously difficult to translate.
@Layput
@Layput Год назад
It was also an inspiration for a product that kept hot drinks for very long.
@chalkiasm
@chalkiasm Год назад
It's pronounced Themos, Θυμός, and it literally mean anger. Also used as breath or soul by our ancestors. Its more like an ethical lesson from Platon rather than a myth per se. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Gyges
@solarpunkcyborg4663
@solarpunkcyborg4663 Год назад
@@chalkiasm That's the modern Greek pronunciation. I was using the ancient Greek one. Upsilon used to be pronounced like the German ü before drifting over time to sound like iota (ee in English).
@chalkiasm
@chalkiasm Год назад
@@solarpunkcyborg4663 No, this is the erasmian pronunciation which is a misconception. We do a lot of ancient Greek at school and the pronunciation is how i wrote it.
@solarpunkcyborg4663
@solarpunkcyborg4663 Год назад
@@chalkiasm Even outside of the Erasmian pronunciation, upsilon was pronounced like ü. See Luke Raniere's videos on how the letters were actually pronounced in ancient times. The way it's taught in Greek High schools isn't at all like how it was spoken 2,400 years ago.
@tegxi
@tegxi Год назад
I don't trust people that suggest people only do good because of the consequences they might otherwise suffer, because it tells me they only do good because of potential consequences. There are many situations in the world where doing bad comes without consequences (to the self) and the people that take those opportunities are often the bad ones. Ultimately, it is a trust in a collective good that allows society to function at all.
@zakosist
@zakosist Год назад
I agree. Nobody is perfect, but the ones who cant even comprehend true caring for others and internal sense of morality, clearly lack sympathy... Thus they are close psychopath (if not actually being) or something similiar. Those who do have caring will just understand.
@ksu3981
@ksu3981 Год назад
I think its just that acting virtuous is kinda like a pass to live in society. It's turned into an unspoken law kinda, we don't necessarily act purely based on the fact it makes u virtuous, but it's kinda like u need to play along certain rules if u don't want to be put in a prison or nuthouse
@GabrielAKAFinn
@GabrielAKAFinn Год назад
We are just realists. Today you won't find more than 10% of the population would not take any chance they can get if they think it won't bite them.
@Taserfacethemetaphorical5502
@Taserfacethemetaphorical5502 9 месяцев назад
There will always be consequences from acting unjustly, for a world where there is truly no consequence is a world with only one human. Other humans will learn that to be unjust is to survive, and then the one who did the first unjust deed is the first to face the consequences.
@pponca8953
@pponca8953 23 дня назад
aren't you admitting that people do in fact act that way? or rather that you also think that there are people who act that way?
@limsiryuean5040
@limsiryuean5040 Год назад
a power like that reveals the true character behind every human being, regardless of reasoning or innate bodily desires. Although everything we ever wanted is similar (happiness, wholesomeness), our methods of achieving that varies, that's where a choice is needed to be made, and that choice will define the human its character for eternity (even it changes with time of journey).
@americandissident9062
@americandissident9062 24 дня назад
2:25 Interesting detail that we see, in historical chronological order, Doric, Ionic, and Corinthian pillars. Love it.
@akankshapendharkar1387
@akankshapendharkar1387 Год назад
The "three parts of the soul" where appetite, spirit, and reason try to find harmony sounds quite similar to Freud's id, ego, and superego.
@FrumiousBandersnatch42
@FrumiousBandersnatch42 Год назад
That's exactly what I thought!
@GrndAdmiralThrawn
@GrndAdmiralThrawn Год назад
I’m fairly certain that’s where he got it from. He just presented it more “scientifically”, as psychological science was beginning to develop.
@cj6498
@cj6498 Год назад
@@GrndAdmiralThrawn It's might be so, but It makes me think of on how often I see philosophy of different and distant kinds rhyming with each other. There is collaboration, but there also feels like a guiding hand of reason making people arrive to such oddly similar points of view between generations and cultures. If you follow reason, you're inevitably going to fall into the similar places. It's just neat.
@ashleygrayer4025
@ashleygrayer4025 Год назад
That's what I thought too!
@noirekuroraigami2270
@noirekuroraigami2270 Год назад
@@cj6498 Bro knowledge builds on itself. Freud was a well studied and classically educated man. In that time, few people knew about Plato, but a professor from the Upper-Germanic Academia for sure would have known the concept
@coreyhead5777
@coreyhead5777 Год назад
With all honesty, I would use it. It’s a tool which gives the wearer benefits. Use an invisibility ring with purpose, and just remember everything has consequences. Treat it like a loaded gun.
@normanclatcher
@normanclatcher Год назад
Keep it secret; keep it safe. -And only point it at libs- I mean, what? 😗
@Isaac-LizardKing
@Isaac-LizardKing Год назад
@@normanclatcher norman do you have something you need to tell the class? something about genocidal tendencies perhaps?
@Emmariscobar
@Emmariscobar Год назад
@@normanclatcher i doubt pointing a ring at someone will be particularly effective at killing them but you do you, i guess if you do it for long enough they might die... of old age.
@normanclatcher
@normanclatcher Год назад
@@Isaac-LizardKing Genocidal tendencies? Ha ha ha... I would never. 😗
@normanclatcher
@normanclatcher Год назад
@@Emmariscobar I mean, we all go eventually, right?
@ciuuin4098
@ciuuin4098 9 месяцев назад
If I had a ring of invisibility, I think I would use it just to walk into places that I wouldn't normally be allowed to go, and listen to/watch people and things - to look at and experience life from every angle. Honestly, I wouldn't half mind if I just turned invisible irreversibly, haha
@RENEG4DE4NGEL
@RENEG4DE4NGEL 7 дней назад
You would get lonely.
@WilliamBrinkley45
@WilliamBrinkley45 3 месяца назад
I had always wondered where Tolkien got the inspiration for “the one ring”. I can’t believe I never heard of this before.
@jumperwilli7770
@jumperwilli7770 Год назад
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them, In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie
@aiworldvn
@aiworldvn Год назад
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@miguelpadeiro762
@miguelpadeiro762 Год назад
And one for that Greek shepherd over there because he won't stop annoying me
@FauxReal.
@FauxReal. Год назад
The dark lord sauron forged in secret a master ring, in this ring he poured his cruelty, malice and will to dominate all of middle earth, one ring to Rule them all
@Xerrand
@Xerrand 9 месяцев назад
Plato would have remembered my needs. He would have brought me a kingly gift.
@theglitchcounter264
@theglitchcounter264 Год назад
This is the one time my level of pessimism would pay off. The ring is a situation dealing with problems and repercussions so grand and all encompassing, that the smartest action you could take as the one to find it , would be to immediately destroy it. Nothing short of complete omnipotence would secure your position such that you could not possibly fall prey to someone that desires the the powers the ring possesses.
@mrfhsn253
@mrfhsn253 Год назад
I'm just wondering how good this content is ! The animation, narration, background music all are outstanding.
@andaction.agency
@andaction.agency Год назад
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@demian9715
@demian9715 Год назад
Soo interesting! I love those little history stories, and this one probably even inspired Tolkien for the Hobbit!
@aiworldvn
@aiworldvn Год назад
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@djayjp
@djayjp Год назад
Probably? He was a history, literature, and multi-linguist academic.
@demian9715
@demian9715 Год назад
@@djayjp then a 100%! :D
@djayjp
@djayjp Год назад
@@demian9715 Be sure to check out Ted-Ed's other video on the topic, "The Norse myth that inspired Lord of the Rings"
@demian9715
@demian9715 Год назад
@@djayjp thank you for the suggestion, I will look into it!
@MortalOrder
@MortalOrder Год назад
I remember having a conversation about the morality of what people would do with a ring like that. I mentioned that I couldn’t think of anything purely benevolent using invisibility, and as such could not be a proper allegory for the topic. I brought up another one that I read online: whether or not people bring the shopping cart back to the designated area, or leave them wherever.
@Rachel-fi4sc
@Rachel-fi4sc Год назад
Purely benevolent uses for invisibility: - leave kind messages for people to find - be a tidy house brownie and/or chivalrous ghost and open doors for people, do little chores, etc. - go for walks or to bars without having to worry about being attacked or in danger - be a guardian spirit to those at risk, using your invisiblity to fight off those trying to hurt them - relay messages to save your troops during war times - reveal those who misuse their power to harm others, thereby saving more people from being victimised
@Rachel-fi4sc
@Rachel-fi4sc Год назад
Ooh, I just thought of another one: - observe animals in their natural habitat and further our understanding of the natural world
@callmecharlie4250
@callmecharlie4250 9 месяцев назад
@@Rachel-fi4sc I've always wanted to be a helpful little ghost; no one knows of my existence but I can make people's lives just a little more pleasant.
@Rachel-fi4sc
@Rachel-fi4sc 9 месяцев назад
@@callmecharlie4250 Honestly? That's what I use the internet for. Concerning comment online that makes me worried for the person posting it? Anonymous Internet Fren sees and cares!
@DavidLS1
@DavidLS1 Год назад
In my younger days, I gave in to my appetites and was very happy. If a ring could give me back my youth, I'd use it in a heartbeat.
@andaction.agency
@andaction.agency Год назад
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@heatherp7902
@heatherp7902 Год назад
I'm blown away by how beautiful the artwork in this video is, and the method of animation. You are all incredibly talented. It's truly a moving masterpiece!
@andaction.agency
@andaction.agency Год назад
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@Systolic_Gaming
@Systolic_Gaming 15 дней назад
Answering as if I don’t know of the rings corrupting power: I would go about my life normally, but use the ring to gain the knowledge to correct things I found unjust. If someone stole my lunch at work I would use the ring to watch unseen and find the culprit. If I thought I was being discriminated against I would sit in on a meeting I wasn’t invited to. I would use it as a way to remove chance, but ultimately that would spiral upwards into higher and higher stakes information. So in short, the ring would corrupt me.
@Romans1520
@Romans1520 11 месяцев назад
Wow interesting stuff, I appreciate all the comments too. I read a book once that talks about this very subject (and much more!) and I've never encountered anything like it. It's a collection of writings from approximately forty separate authors, written on three separate continents, comprised in three separate languages, and was compiled over the span of an estimated 1,500-1,600 years!
@PC.NickRowan
@PC.NickRowan Год назад
Amazing how Socrates's idea of the 3rd class of the soul has three parts is essentially Freud's theory of the Id, Ego, and Superego. I wonder if Freud derived this theory from Socrates, or if they both managed the come to the same conclusion.
@bigburton24
@bigburton24 Год назад
Jesus Christ said we are mind, body, and spirit.. so maybe they are onto something :)
@anoukfleur2513
@anoukfleur2513 11 месяцев назад
I thought that too, but the explanation they gave here didn’t make me entirely sure which one was the Superego and which the Ego here 🤔
@PlagueNeco-nt4lv
@PlagueNeco-nt4lv 11 месяцев назад
@anoukfleur2513 The Spirit is the superego because the superego refers to the laws instilled into a person. The Reason is ego because the ego is a combination of the Id and Superego vying for control just like how the two horses Spirit and Appetite fight to control Reason.
@caiden2242
@caiden2242 9 месяцев назад
​@@bigburton24Where did Jesus say that?
@razbugs
@razbugs 9 месяцев назад
this is a great comparison, very fascinating!
@davidroddick91
@davidroddick91 Год назад
I think I would use the ring to do my job: Gyges, as a messenger, could cross enemy lines without being detected. But I also think I would use the ring to spy on people, and would probably see a lot of things I shouldn't. After all, I'm no angel. But I wouldn't cross the line into murder, because that goes against my nature.
@davidburns9766
@davidburns9766 Год назад
What about if someone found out about you and was going to out you, or steal the ring?
@jestfullgremblim8002
@jestfullgremblim8002 Год назад
@@davidburns9766 i mean, would would belive someone saying "He has a ring that turns him invicible!" And then again, you can make them look even crazier by using your powers. You can also frame them so they get jailed or something, unless you get recorded or something, you will never need to commit murder hahaha
@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong
@@davidburns9766 If someone told you some random schmuck had a magic ring that turned them invisible, would you believe them? Because if you would, I have a bridge to sell you.
@Laocoon283
@Laocoon283 Год назад
It's always been my fantasy to know what politicians actually say behind closed doors.
@bruisedhelmet8819
@bruisedhelmet8819 Год назад
I'd use it to beat street mimes and convince all that they are the best mime in the world.
@Mustlehard
@Mustlehard Год назад
If the ring came off of a giant how would it fit on a normal man’s finger ??? Did the giant have human sized hands ??
@petemoss7704
@petemoss7704 Год назад
How did the ring fit him if it was a ring for giants?
@prasetyaadi6007
@prasetyaadi6007 28 дней назад
It's called supranatural ring for a reason.
@jeanladoire4141
@jeanladoire4141 25 дней назад
Bro the ring can make you invisible, and the only question you ask is "isn't tbe ring too big?"
@ashwinmartin355
@ashwinmartin355 24 дня назад
He used it as a bracelet.
@mattsmith8160
@mattsmith8160 23 дня назад
Even the ring in the lord of the rings seemed to magically change size to fit it's wearer. When the ring was cut from Sauron's hand Sauron was wearing it over his gauntlet clad finger and when the man picked it up we can see it almost filled the palm of his hand yet in the very next scene it's somehow small enough to fit on a Hobbits finger.
@thegodseeker6035
@thegodseeker6035 23 дня назад
@@mattsmith8160The ring can also slip off of someone’s finger if it needs to, it slipped off of Isildur’s
@melkhiordarkfell4354
@melkhiordarkfell4354 Год назад
Socrates: Plato, are you writing fan fics about me again?
@emperorsascharoni9577
@emperorsascharoni9577 8 дней назад
Great stuff. Only 2 things I’d improve. 1. Why not say “burdensome” instead of “onerous”? Using simple words is always better if the meaning remains. 2. The point about Socrates can be connected better by stating the conclusion before the explanation. “Socrates believes that virtue belongs to the third class. Because it is an essential part needed to achieve happiness. According to his theory…(3 parts explaination in the video)”
@tetra6219
@tetra6219 10 месяцев назад
I agree with Socrates on this one. Just behaviour is just as beneficial for yourself as it is for others. But in order for that to be the case you need to exercise quality as an individual, you've got to be truly in control of the appetite. That gives you a worthier reward than a throne.
@chongwillson972
@chongwillson972 22 дня назад
@tetra6219 though there is a difference between controlling your appetite and starving it.
@ravi.tiwari.
@ravi.tiwari. Год назад
There is something similar in Hindu philosophy : 3 personalities - tamsik, rajsik, satvik The one who attains moksha - (gunatit or sarvarambh parityagi)
@maxmuster5645
@maxmuster5645 Год назад
The artwork in this video is simply superb!
@TupHart
@TupHart Год назад
What a good story. They should write Atleast 4 books about this
@animatedmonkey5882
@animatedmonkey5882 7 дней назад
And movies too!
@SafeSpaceCafe
@SafeSpaceCafe 11 месяцев назад
Great & I only read the title, know it's gonna be goooood! Here's pointin' up!!!
@Pingwn
@Pingwn Год назад
I want to believe I wouldn't act unjustly if it would be with no consequences, not just because it would benefit myself to live a just life but for the sake of the people around me. I don't know if the human mind is capable of being truly selfless but I am trying to do my best in order to act for the sake of others.
@Sid-mj1qf
@Sid-mj1qf Год назад
I love how people here not focused on what debate is surrounding the act of "being just" instead, fight about the origin of the story and Tolkien references...I also love Tolkien and LOTR, but, Rings are a kinda universal ornament from ancient time itself. So, every culture have their own story about Rings.
@Layput
@Layput Год назад
The ring is not the problem. The story is just too familiar.
@NoName-hg6cc
@NoName-hg6cc Год назад
@@Layput Well, Tolkien surely read it....
@hdhdfhfh123
@hdhdfhfh123 4 месяца назад
Amazing story
@narutofreak974
@narutofreak974 3 месяца назад
I recall doing an essay in community college that involved this allegory. I titled the easy, “One Ring to Bring Injustice to All.”
@Movieplayer112
@Movieplayer112 Год назад
I believe that people like Sam, who are content with a simple life, would be unaffected by such a curse. They'll probably never get their hands on such an object to begin with.
@SenhorAlien
@SenhorAlien Год назад
People who live a simple life are also subject to corruption after acquiring power.
@piepiedog1
@piepiedog1 Год назад
But even Sam was (very briefly) corrupted by the ring after taking it from Frodo when he thought Frodo had died. He may have been content with a simple life, but he still had desires-- like protecting the shire and his friends. And Frodo, who was also a hobbit content with a simple life, ultimately failed to destroy the ring due to its corruption. Only Tom Bombadil was fully unaffected by the ring, but exactly what he is remains a mystery so it is difficult to say why. Maybe he doesn't truly have any desires, or maybe he is Eru Iluvatar himself i.e. god of all things.
@Xeneonic
@Xeneonic Год назад
@@piepiedog1 While Tom Bombadil is a mysterious being, he isn't Eru Iluvatar; it is "a fact that" (as far as you can "write facts" on a fictional story) Tom Bombadil would fade as the light would fade from Middle Earth if Sauron had won. Eru Iluvatar of course is a being of several magnitudes higher in power than Sauron, or even Sauron's master (Morgoth). These are described in the Silmarillion and also Gandalf's words (That Tom Bombadil wouldn't be able to survive if Sauron had won) in LOTR. So from these statements, you can very confidently conclude that Tom =/= Eru. Also 3 months late, but what can you do, youtube algorithm.
@PiracyMan
@PiracyMan Год назад
fun fact: there was a study done (dont remember which year) in one of the liberal states of america where they compared the kindness of those who were born into rich houses vs those who were born into poor houses and became rich. The poor who became rich were less likely to share money and were much ruder than the ones born rich
@Xeneonic
@Xeneonic Год назад
@@PiracyMan Small sample size, "a study", off-topic. Why?
@RealityRogue
@RealityRogue Год назад
Honestly I would just use the ring to observe the world and it’s people without bothering anyone or being confronted. Just wondering around nature without the threat of animals. There’s so many interesting places I’d like to just ‘observe’.
@eldorama
@eldorama 27 дней назад
Gotta love archetypes. Every human understands it. Socrates’s argument about the “appetite” driving desire leading to one’s soul’s “disharmony” encapsulates “shadow work” very well.
@monsterno.definablenever.3484
Party tricks. I'd use it EXCLUSIVELY for party tricks.
@zhenyamediocris4373
@zhenyamediocris4373 Год назад
Wow, breathtaking. I really enjoyed your video. It's always interesting to know where authors take their inspiration
@nadimomar7156
@nadimomar7156 Год назад
the ring of Gyges would be a gateway to an infinite trove of knowledge. imagine turning invisible and observing animals without them seeing you, or spying on government officials in secret or even just exploring a place with an added level of security.
@freakalmighty2533
@freakalmighty2533 11 месяцев назад
You went from Steve Irwin to Solid Snake in a comma.
@yourmum69_420
@yourmum69_420 9 месяцев назад
you know people have hidden wildlife cameras right?
@Glock18401
@Glock18401 3 месяца назад
You could sneak inside a plane and travel everywhere around the world and sneak here and sneak there. Having the power of being invisible is more than enough. Modern camera or sensor might detect us but they will thought you as a ghost not criminals.
@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx 3 месяца назад
​@@Glock18401 That's how useful being able to turn manually invisible and all. But the movie called Hollow Man told me otherwise the side effects of such power. You will be treated as an SCP who has gone berserked if you ever misused the power of invisibility for so long.
@benlap1977
@benlap1977 23 дня назад
Wow, this story I never heard of is both the inspiration for one of the greatest work of fiction of the 20th C, bit also Freud inspiration for his psychoanalytic theories!
@TheBlarg111
@TheBlarg111 Год назад
Just imagine what you could do with such a power. You could sleep wherever you wanted, and no one could stop you!
@victuz
@victuz 11 месяцев назад
Hahahaha
@niccosalonga9009
@niccosalonga9009 Год назад
From what I understand, most people's actions seem dictated by a mix or competition between positive and negative stimuli (punishment vs reward) and their established self image (based on what they understand themselves to be as well as on any role models they have chosen)... With a good smattering of inherited innate instinctive reactions of course.
@FeignSane
@FeignSane 10 месяцев назад
Beautifully said, nice comment
@derekeano
@derekeano Год назад
I love learning about the ancient Greeks.
@111QQQ1Q1Q1
@111QQQ1Q1Q1 Год назад
Could I resist the ring? Bro I can't even resist the next episode of my show
@skeepodoop5197
@skeepodoop5197 12 дней назад
"So this ring can turn me invisible? Welp, if anyone important knows about this they're 100% going to convescate it, so uh... I'll just keep it in my drawer and use it to prank people ocasionally maybe...?"
@theknightskyisi
@theknightskyisi Год назад
The allegory of the chariot is remarkably similar to Freud's Id Ego and Superego, fascinating.
@xanderalaniz2298
@xanderalaniz2298 Год назад
I can't believe Socrates stole Freud's idea of subconsciousness
@alekob.3791
@alekob.3791 Год назад
3:32 is essentially Freud’s concept of the superego ego and id
@Our_Remedy
@Our_Remedy 9 месяцев назад
I don't see why we assume that only things that harm others can benefit ourselves. In fact, doing harm even anonymously can bring a lot of heat that even a selfish person would want to avoid. Personally I'd love to use invisibility for kind things, or at worst harmless mischief to entertain myself.
@pixelsocket
@pixelsocket Год назад
I’m not even going to pretend I wouldn’t fall for it. Admittedly, I wouldn’t want to take control of a nation with it, but that’s simply because I’m too lazy and easily exasperated to try to heard that many cats at once.
@rpgcraftsman520
@rpgcraftsman520 Год назад
Smart man.
@BenBen-bb7bb
@BenBen-bb7bb Год назад
Im reading Platos Republic and just finished the ring story the other day, this is great timing lol
@chadjones1266
@chadjones1266 26 дней назад
Thanks
@KiyokaMakibi
@KiyokaMakibi 11 месяцев назад
What an interesting story and analysis. 😮
@brandonwilliams957
@brandonwilliams957 Год назад
I was a philosophy student in college and when I first read "Lord of the Rings", I thought Tolkien was fleshing out Plato's "Ring of Gyges".
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