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PLAY TO WIN vs THE FERVENT ALCHEMIST - KORVOLD vs KINNAN vs MAGDA vs RIGO 

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This week joined by Kai, the Fervent Alchymnist himself, as we try to figure out which one of our current PET DECKS is best in cEDH?
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@nicklay4274
@nicklay4274 Год назад
Great game! Noticed a small optimisation at 11:18, Dylan could have sacrificed the Animate Dead to the Korvold attack trigger, which would then cause him to sac the dockside, netting him 2x Korvold triggers instead of one.
@burnsboy101
@burnsboy101 Год назад
I noticed at small optimisation 🤓
@joshbailey7775
@joshbailey7775 Год назад
Got to me before I could 😂
@AIMLESS-NAMELESS
@AIMLESS-NAMELESS Год назад
Ah I just commented this
@Cupakabra77
@Cupakabra77 Год назад
Went to make a comment about this lol 😂
@horribleville
@horribleville Год назад
Does animate dead not have a clause where if creature dies its sacrificed
@jamesgreenwood1703
@jamesgreenwood1703 Год назад
I’ve never understood the argument of spite plays when someone is attempting to kill you. Just bc you are backed into a corner against something that will almost certainly kill you doesn’t mean lay there and take it. Feels like law of nature to fight until the end
@maximeyer3151
@maximeyer3151 Год назад
I 100% agree.
@burningnyte
@burningnyte 10 месяцев назад
I think of “spite plays” as long game thinking. You’ll never do something to me in a game and expect to come out unscathed.
@jamesgreenwood1703
@jamesgreenwood1703 10 месяцев назад
@@burningnyte to me I think it comes down to how much a play can positively impact you. Maybe if you think of magic as short term game to game, using removal on something that’s still lethal may come off as a spite play but in my mind in the next game they might not attack me for lethal bc they know there are consequences meaning something that looked like a spite play originally just need a bit more context to understand.
@burningnyte
@burningnyte 10 месяцев назад
@@jamesgreenwood1703 that’s what I’m saying.
@PALIGames
@PALIGames 6 месяцев назад
Right if I'm losing, I'm making it harder for you to win
@benjaminwiler8271
@benjaminwiler8271 Год назад
Glad to see that Tyler is trying something new! Always good to step out of your comfort zone!
@wyatt5450
@wyatt5450 Год назад
I'm turning into Cam and Dylan I swear. Getting cEdh Rocco and Korvold, thank you both
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Год назад
Good call
@damo9961
@damo9961 Год назад
I have both those decks, but I realize a Dockside ban craps on both of them. I think Korvold goes from decent Cedh deck to outdated and unplayed and people underestimate just how much Rocco relies on Dockside too.
@jakemaxwell3810
@jakemaxwell3810 Год назад
​@@damo9961 It would hurt, but Rocco would kind of just be fine as much as any other deck that played it. Korvold would really miss it, but would go back to playing Food Chain and would not be the end of the world. Also no shot they ban dockside. No casuals care about it at all and it's not really broken in cedh, just strong.
@antonypistachio5476
@antonypistachio5476 Год назад
@@jakemaxwell3810 Not broken in CEDH? It's unanimously considered the best card in Commander lol
@jakemaxwell3810
@jakemaxwell3810 Год назад
@@antonypistachio5476 I respectfully don't think it's broken. It's great, but I don't think it creates bad games or play patterns.
@Its-Lulu
@Its-Lulu Год назад
God damn guys that ended up being grindier than I thought it would be 😂
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Год назад
Sometimes those are the best games
@ayllipkhieu8659
@ayllipkhieu8659 Год назад
I love Rigo. Just as much draw power as tymna in colors you don’t see often in cEDH. Super cool to see
@Samothrace808
@Samothrace808 Год назад
“I got 6 at the sun stare!” If you thought that quote would go unacknowledged this is me acknowledging it. A classic.
@DexterityYTC
@DexterityYTC Год назад
I definitely think Cam’s choice to sac all his treasures was a spite play, but it’s the kind of spite play that doesn’t screw over a player, but rather makes the game more even for the remaining 2 players. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with doing that, I’m sure some might disagree, but making gameplay more interesting is always a positive to me.
@ElderAlchemists
@ElderAlchemists Год назад
Then it’s not a spite play
@daybreak817
@daybreak817 Год назад
Love seeing Kai on here, he rocks.
@faperito2389
@faperito2389 Год назад
Solid mf
@ZauN91
@ZauN91 Год назад
Lmao the filter on Tyler's death. I've quit mtg after getting alienated by their one set a month bs but your channel is as enjoyable to watch as it was in the beginning, thanks for the quality content.
@dave7592
@dave7592 Год назад
The amount of things Dylan was able to pull turn 2-3 is insane.
@Demon_of_Razgriz
@Demon_of_Razgriz Год назад
Gamble AKA Red Entomb strikes again. Also the amount of Korvold I'm seeing lately is so much fun. Fun commander
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Год назад
Korvolds been getting a lot of new toys
@wyatt5450
@wyatt5450 Год назад
Korvold always has the toys to play with
@CosmicGiggalo
@CosmicGiggalo Год назад
That was a heck of a back and forth at the end to see who won!
@leem.9934
@leem.9934 Год назад
Hell with it. I've subscribed. Hopefully I see what y'all can do with an Urabrask someday. Not a cEDH player myself, but this is actually fun to see.
@raedien
@raedien Год назад
Another great video. Wife saw and loved the Skull playmat. Just ordered two.
@PubStompMTG
@PubStompMTG Год назад
Just like Sheldon Menery intended commander to be! To beat each other with a huge commander!
@damo9961
@damo9961 Год назад
That guy never invented EDH it was played for 10 years before he got his grubby hands on it LOL. We used to play it during Nationals and Regionals as a way to unwind.
@cinosaurus
@cinosaurus Год назад
4:09 “my time to shine” lol! Me, everytime I counter my playgroups win con
@christopherpatricklizares5306
Interesting quirk: if the Animate Dead attached to the Dockside was sacrificed to Korvold, the Animate Dead would cause the Dockside to be sacrificed. This would draw an extra card. Loved the video! Thanks for all your hard work, guys!
@Flip4Crypt
@Flip4Crypt Год назад
This was a really great episode! Loved the gameplay and the energy from everyone at the table! Great video as always guys! Also, I could be wrong, but I agree with Cam with that last play- I think there is a cost to killing a player- even if it's just a bolt to the face, it's not a spite play because it doesn't effect your win, but you did need to pay some kind of cost to kill Cam
@yaakovkagel1015
@yaakovkagel1015 Год назад
Loved the lists in this episode! Honestly, I love Tyler's Kinnan list. Perplexing Chimera is one of my favorite cards in casual and seeing it in CEDH is so fun! Tyler is a great deck pilot so I would really love to see him playing some other lists as well!
@finlayfisken9817
@finlayfisken9817 Год назад
Yeah I wish kinnan/tyler actually did something this game lol, seemed like a slow hand to keep
@MageSkeleton
@MageSkeleton Год назад
it was a very powerful matchup, and i feel like that preator's grasp pulling dockside out of magda crippled magda which tells me it needs some reworking and this is going to sound dumb but i recommend running the swords, including sword of the animist. It was satisfying that Kinnon got blown up relatively early.
@bigscrub1875
@bigscrub1875 Год назад
I was just looking for some Korvold content!! Nice timing 😂
@deathbeard8308
@deathbeard8308 Год назад
Love the Korvold play, I play it with food chain combo tho and few others, its easy to tutor for goblins
@whitesmith5985
@whitesmith5985 Год назад
I also think that with Cam at the end, what he did wasn't a spite play because that's a cost for killing the player. Like if you're gonna kill me, I'm not going to pick you some flowers, I'll make it clear in advanced that if they kill me, the cost of doing so is me throwing whatever I have at them. So it's not a spite play, it's a cost that I'm going to keep my word on.
@connorbell5340
@connorbell5340 Год назад
Good god, Dylan these are your friends!!! What a fantastic turn two, regardless of not getting your ad Naus.
@mikebenit3388
@mikebenit3388 Год назад
Korvold storm is my favorite deck. I’ve played it for a few years now and it is by far my fave!!
@Timbuktu-qt2lj
@Timbuktu-qt2lj Год назад
Awesome game guys! Love your gameplay videos and podcasts.
@GrandPrimus
@GrandPrimus Год назад
This one was awesome. Love a good, decent midrange game.
@LemorasCards
@LemorasCards Год назад
Love seeing some MAD King representation on the channel.
@jonathonfoster3942
@jonathonfoster3942 Год назад
Thank you soooo much for doing good Korvold stuff! I've recently scrapped him, but won so much magic with him. (But Nooooo! You were suppose to sack Animate Dead so that yu would have gotten 2 draws).
@lisaparker271
@lisaparker271 Год назад
That was an amazing game for korvold, i love how much value he produces. I am looking at more commanders that gain value from non etb sources as eleshmom has been more prevelant in my meta.
@finnthehydra622
@finnthehydra622 Год назад
Korvold is definitely in my top three favorite decks, and it is definitely my strongest by far except maybe Kenrith. I do typically win with combat damage, but I have a few ways to give haste. One of the deck’s secret MVPs is Chatterfang. There are enough cards making me treasure when I cast them that I always have some squirrels up for blockers even if the whole table is swinging at me. Just got a Sylvan Library and a few other cards recently that I’m about to put into it too. Not sure if I’d say it’s exactly CEDH, but it has won on turn 4 a few times
@thomasnoonan2039
@thomasnoonan2039 Год назад
Love this game! Good old combat damage...
@middknight5202
@middknight5202 Год назад
KAI WHY YOU NO BOUNCE KORVOLDYMORT AT THE END THERE, THEN E-WIT THE SNAP TO BOUNCE HIRELING DX then the next turn do it again with E-wit 2.0 to save some time? Great game went a lot longer than expected! Cedh games like these make the format much more appealing! Thanks gents!
@ferventalchemist
@ferventalchemist Год назад
I WAS HAVING FUN BRO I FORGOT
@sapowok8992
@sapowok8992 2 месяца назад
I just love how Dylan says Do it at the start of the video it’s just so funny 😂
@jamescoulter267
@jamescoulter267 Год назад
The Tyler kill animation was so good lol
@loganschwartz4790
@loganschwartz4790 Год назад
So korvold is my actually cedh deck that I built with minimal proxies. Only 4 in the deck. It's a food chain deck with dockside loops if I need to treasure storm.
@tomneilson9501
@tomneilson9501 Год назад
this is my first time seeing the TES tokens in play wow theyre pretty and practical great gameplay as well
@oklahomalongboards
@oklahomalongboards 11 месяцев назад
dylan my friend where can we get that amazing playmat in this video? old release or an upcoming halloween 2024 one?
@josephahrens862
@josephahrens862 Год назад
Hey Tyler where did you get that ashikata from princess Mononoke alter for kinnian. It even has the red elk
@frankdetank9126
@frankdetank9126 Год назад
That was a fun video! Have you ever considered making a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?
@ArmorBreaker88
@ArmorBreaker88 Год назад
11:15 if you sacrifice animate dead, you gain an extra korvold trigger - i see now a lot of others pointed it out too. so nvm
@thatguy2781
@thatguy2781 Год назад
I don't know if you had this idea or made video about it. But what is the best Farm deck in CEDH, that'll be very cool to see
@TripsAhoy
@TripsAhoy Год назад
That was def a grindy finish! ❤❤❤
@janmelantu7490
@janmelantu7490 Год назад
(You don’t lost the game if you’ve already won) -Reminder text on the Warriors’ Oath, the P3K functional reprint of Final Fortune
@baz_wtf
@baz_wtf Год назад
Great game! 🎉
@ferventalchemist
@ferventalchemist Год назад
Thanks again for having me on ❤
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Год назад
Any time !!
@TheColts714
@TheColts714 7 месяцев назад
Question were did you purchase those small treasure tokens that flip into mana there pretty cool.
@paulmcclain642
@paulmcclain642 Год назад
Hell of a game, I thought that the Kinnan start was insane but then Korvold is like watch meeeeeeee
@Fogshaper
@Fogshaper Год назад
Even though it didn't matter, there's a certain... feeling... that that bolt was actually on the spite play end of things. If there's a scenario where Dylan re-uses the ad naus that's known to be in the yard, those three life might matter.
@AIMLESS-NAMELESS
@AIMLESS-NAMELESS Год назад
11:22 this is a realllllllyy niche line but if you sac animate dead instead of dockside u draw 2 cards instead of 1 and get 2 counters
@TheBowlingfanatic
@TheBowlingfanatic Год назад
Korvold is incredibly strong! Been playing him in the last 5 cEDH tournaments I've gone to. Seeing him take a win here is awesome! Anyone that wants to get more involved with Korvold, the discord is always popping!
@speljester
@speljester Год назад
Where are the mana tokens from. I looked in the mech store but to no avail. They really make it easier to follow the action, thanks for using them.
@alexippolito8002
@alexippolito8002 Год назад
Please make a video of an updated version of Green Grixis(ikra kraum Kraun naus) I feel like there is a lot of new cards that upped the power of it and it was the deck Dylan played for awhile that got me to watch you guys consistently! Doooo itttt
@Ominous_severus
@Ominous_severus Год назад
Hey guys what are those mana and trigger and treasure tokens you used? where can i get those?
@faebyang2526
@faebyang2526 Год назад
Hey guys always wanted to ask do you guys own all the cards or do you proxy some of them like for example og dual lands. Love the content keep it coming, much love :D
@ryannaylor3982
@ryannaylor3982 Год назад
Anyone know where you can get those floating mana tokens?
@mtgspanglish731
@mtgspanglish731 Год назад
Watching this, while 5 minutes ago was holding my korvold deck thinking to take it apart.
@aidanschauer1581
@aidanschauer1581 Год назад
What an awesome game!
@Eric_theMAD_King
@Eric_theMAD_King Год назад
Great gameplay, that's why this channel is the standard. It's organic and great charisma. Really love the team at PtW. Also love seeing Korvold 😎
@cdee34
@cdee34 Год назад
What are those treasure/mana jawns and how do I get some
@krlbcn
@krlbcn Год назад
Kai doing the yeah boiii voice cracks me up
@jemm113
@jemm113 Год назад
Well damn, looks like my pile of Korvold cards will become my second competitive deck lolol! Now I just need to save up for a grim monolith to complete my set of cEDH rocks…
@matthewhalsan6459
@matthewhalsan6459 Год назад
Damn, that red entomb really lengthened the game, but was fun to watch.
@chrisgoertzen3001
@chrisgoertzen3001 Год назад
I love it when a counter spell is just a free divination for me
@Joeshoerb
@Joeshoerb Год назад
What were those mana and treasure tokens that Dylan was using? They were super sweet!
@BiCuriousGeorge1
@BiCuriousGeorge1 11 месяцев назад
The epic storm’s Bryant cook makes them
@void91g
@void91g 10 месяцев назад
Quick Draw format: start 7 cards of choice in hand to start - standard from there - play test power combos god hands
@mitsosoftheelves
@mitsosoftheelves Год назад
Over-the-top game!
@tong9va
@tong9va Год назад
For korvold player, Where do you buy those cool mana, float, and treasure chips? Or whatever you called?
@Jrocknrolla
@Jrocknrolla Год назад
Awesome game as always! Where do you get those little tokens for mana tracking and treasures etc??
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Год назад
Those are from The Epic Storm
@bloodblade487
@bloodblade487 Год назад
At about 7:40, could Tyler have used his worldly tutor for a collector ouphe? If so, would that have shut Korvold down enough to stall effectively? :)
@bloodblade487
@bloodblade487 Год назад
Actually! Instead maybe a Gilded Drake to steal Korvold?
@jamallynch1218
@jamallynch1218 Год назад
Great game
@ChrisWilliams-hk3wn
@ChrisWilliams-hk3wn Год назад
Hey guys looking at the decklist. Why no hoarding broodlord lines if you don't mind me asking? Korvold was my intro to cedh and kind of want to rebuild him
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Год назад
This was filmed when spoilers where still coming out and since it was my first run through of the deck I didn’t wanna rock the boat too much at first
@ChrisWilliams-hk3wn
@ChrisWilliams-hk3wn Год назад
​@Play to Win understandable. Figured it was filmed then lol. How do you feel about hoarding broodlord for the deck tbo?
@andythomas6236
@andythomas6236 Год назад
Playing korvold in a tournament next month 1st place gets a bayou. I'd love to see your deck list!!!!
@TheHippieDrood
@TheHippieDrood Год назад
where did you get those mana tokens from Dylan?
@mitchelschafer1347
@mitchelschafer1347 Год назад
I've always had the issue: play around rhystic or dockside? Seems obvious this game lol
@dasfabelwesen
@dasfabelwesen Год назад
When you sac animate dead instead of dockside you get 2 draws, no?
@chisatofleck2387
@chisatofleck2387 4 месяца назад
Where can I find those good lookin Mana Tokens and Treasures which Dylan used in the Game? Would love to buy them.
@davidmiller818
@davidmiller818 11 месяцев назад
Please please che k out my korvold list!! I has more ways to shimmer or reanimated dockside and the outlet to win outside of witherbloom and chain of smog is tied to how big korvold gets!! It's my absolute favorite deck. Very reactive and resilient!!
@josecuervo3086
@josecuervo3086 Год назад
i love seeing a korvold deck do korvold things 🖤
@Highwang
@Highwang Год назад
lmao what was that AMV-esque edit at 11:31?
@smitchy657
@smitchy657 Год назад
Super cool to have seen a game with a slightly varied way of winning, as compared to the standard/repetitive way your decks seem to normally win 😁
@ultimateplaneswalke
@ultimateplaneswalke Год назад
What's the product called for the mana tokens?
@manadorkuk
@manadorkuk Год назад
Ooooooph what a game
@jonathonskogman8337
@jonathonskogman8337 Год назад
I am starting to wonder if a thoracle/breach/nekusaur deck has legs in the current draw heavy meta?
@jonathonskogman8337
@jonathonskogman8337 Год назад
I mean I get there are far superior grixis commanders and all but that nekusaur clock is not nothing with the amount of card draw going on in the meta.
@brentdeacon9218
@brentdeacon9218 Год назад
@playtowin I NEED those mana/treasure tokens, where can I get them?
@danielpatriquin972
@danielpatriquin972 11 месяцев назад
Combos are fine in casual. Just notify the table before the game begins and don't cry when you get swung at. Life total is not a fair representation of your capacity to win if you combo so you should be targeted first if you play combos. Deck construction overall is the biggest issue with playing combos. If you only have interaction in your deck to protect the combo, you may upset the table. If you tutor for a combo early, you may upset the table. If you play a commander that combos with one other card and itself, you may upset the table. If your deck is nothing but staples and combos, you may upset the table. If you have a 8.5 or a CEDH shell and you combo you may upset the table. If you play fast mana and combo, you may upset the table. If you combo before turn 6 to 8 consistently, you may upset the table. That being said at the end of the day everybody should play the deck that they enjoy regardless. Build decks responsibly. Just be mindful that commander is fun because it is a group activity and other players want to enjoy the game also.
@BrunoCereza
@BrunoCereza Год назад
Where can i get those mana tokens Dylan was using? 😁
@gordypordy7379
@gordypordy7379 Год назад
Absolute W Video like always. MORE KINNAN MORE MAGDA MORE ZUR MORE ZAXARA MORE URZA ETC. EVERYTHING!
@musashibriem1352
@musashibriem1352 Год назад
That turned into a gd rock fight at the end 😂
@notjohn2774
@notjohn2774 Год назад
Late night upload, couldn't sleep so this was nice lmao
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Год назад
Perfect
@aHairyBaboon
@aHairyBaboon Год назад
Cam, you have 5 left and the big yellow one is the sun :)
@almightyfireduck1135
@almightyfireduck1135 Год назад
Where do y'all get those mana tokens from? Would love to have those for my storm decks
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Год назад
The Epic Storm!
@almightyfireduck1135
@almightyfireduck1135 Год назад
@@PlaytoWinMTG tysm!
@wasabi521
@wasabi521 Год назад
Quick question how does Rigo win? Maybe I’m missing something but how does one empty the library that I’m missing.
@PlaytoWinMTG
@PlaytoWinMTG Год назад
Hermit druid!
@bigscrub1875
@bigscrub1875 Год назад
Nice Brian Regan reference, Cam
@mitchellrobinson-sw6qx
@mitchellrobinson-sw6qx Год назад
I want to join a patreon with cool people playing lots of spell table. How cool are you tou guys?!
@JaysonPrime
@JaysonPrime Год назад
Love a good 1v1! Glad Kinnan and Magda got front row seats
@parzavil
@parzavil Год назад
I was literally holding my breathe
@thetimebinder
@thetimebinder Год назад
So, this is cedh now. A 10 turn game won through non-infinite combat. CEDH has become regular Commander.
@matthewskullblood9778
@matthewskullblood9778 Год назад
Nice
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