Players Voted NO, Gaijin Says YES - APHE Testing - War Thunder 

I think they should have just respected the communities' votes. We said no as a community but then they do it anyways and take dev work away from other facets of the game to do this test we didnt want. They even specifically said this would be labor intensive and take a while so it really will take a lot of work out of future updates that we could have had. Potentially less vehicles, less maps, less unique content, all for something we didnt want.

Is this testing the APHE cone shrapnel, or is it testing how APHE will perform, because from what I've seen there is still spherical shrapnel with the tested checkbox on

@@arandombystander2233 To be fair, it was very close to 50/50 and they probably have already been working on it. I like the idea of, if it is close, implement it in the dev server, and re poll once people play with it a bit

Guys, you have to check over what they typed. They said that this was a vote to test it in game. People voted no. That vote was a vote if Gaijin should make it available for people to test the mechanic. The lines above the vote said they *are* going to implement it in the future. They had their minds set on this change, but the wording was super poor.

Democracy will be upheld, if we vote no that means FUCKING NO, if they had a vote and I lost then I would be content but when you win then they turn around and fist you, I don't give a shit what they think if you blatantly don't care what we think I will fully stop playing this game, its shit after shit, at some point I'm going to stop clapping even if its 1700 hours in, World of tanks lost my trust and I left that game after 2000 hours and thousands into the game, if gaijin thinks they are special they are sorely mistaken. I will take my money and time somewhere else, when free to play game has a vote its effectively asking the investors what they want, we pay for the existence of the game. I'm not even upset about the changes, I think the game will be worse cause volumetric is trash and only kind of works as intended this adds another layer of complication. If the second vote is yes then I won't care that's the voice of the people if I'm out voted I will sit back down quietly, if its no and they still implement it then I'm gone forever out of principle. I don't honestly care about FOMO, never stopped me giving up on WOT when it became trash in like 2018.

Gajin finally being smart.

😂

gaijin was expecting everybody to vote yes

This isnt even about the APHE cone shrapnel, this is just how APHE is gonna work now

@@Gracefulwarrior2124 sadly this is the case, they are nerfing APHE. Baboons think this is bettering the round but it has decreased the explosive mass for shrapnel. They have done it with other rounds, people always fall for this 🫠

no democracy for bad players

@@jozefdobrovodsky2932 German mains crying in the corner

Of course you have democracy! Russian style!

It's not supposed to be a democracy but a poll about how many people are interested.

@@Jatzki It's voting tho, a democratic process

They are getting solid data that proves their player base is dumb and cannot be relied on to be involved in decisions like this for the game. No other reason to have people vote for a test, except for to show that the player base will divide and ~50% will rationalize voting "no" when the question is "would you like more information about this before making a decision" Edit: funniest part of all was the people who were saying things like "T28 is going to become invincible because the cupola weakspot will be removed! All cupola weakspots are going to be removed! Jumbo will be unplayable!" and now that we can test we see that 99% of the time, cupola shots are even stronger because the side shrapnel has had its damage buffed... Which was something that Gaijin wrote about in the initial post. The poll's question can honestly be boiled down to "can you read"

Gaijin never just "tests" something. It's going to be implemented and then when it doesn't work they won't go back we will just have to live with it, like the penetration changes in 2019 that was just a "test" yet when people pointed out the issues they ignored them and added it anyway. Newer players are too naive gaijin does what gaijin wants its been this way for the almost 10 years I have been playing and its not gonna change.

@@FoxKai pov: you voted "no" on the "can you read" poll

It might use a surprisingly big amount of dev resources to make this functional.

@@Jatzki it worked in the showcase (see images posted in the devblog), so there wouldnt have been any difference, and they just ignored the results anyways

@@Jatzki I'd rather they pour some resources in this than add another F-16 variant for the 50th time.

I’d rather they just honor the vote and not waste any more time on it

@@partisan3353 No it didn't, we didn't see it live and it seemed to do much less damage than it does now. It wasn't even close to be functional then.

"we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested" As per gaijin I feel like you are correct

And how historically APHE was kinda like AP in terms of damage

@@princessapplestrach6327 theres a reason why the brits didnt use it

@@nikolaideianov5092 and there's a reason why in game shells should be different from one another especially the two most used shells in game at lower BR

@@princessapplestrach6327 it would be so great and simple for the snail to just increase the damage on AP or give it more pen compared to APHE. But its the snail

@@MasterChef5311 You want Gaijin to do things the right way?

@@MJA-0330 lmao I know they wouldnt do it, that’s just how I think it should of

@@MasterChef5311 Logical

I do agree with you, however I also know how people think, or rather don’t, on the internet. They would read survey and think vote anyway

Didn't hurt, if it would've been like 85% no they wouldn't have made the test and use dev resources on it.

the problem are not us it russian community manager that incite other people to vote no for some weird reason despite it just a test it won't hurt a try

Ik wait tell we say no again and they change it to ok we will still change it even though you all say no 😂😂

Silence, absolutely batshit noisy minority’s

the issue is, the vote was for, testing the new changes, or don't bother with it most people took it as, implementation of APHE changes or not

yeah I'm all for hating on gaijin but this whole thing seems reasonable to me.

Yea, and also it was an underwhelming majority for no, so it's really just them doing it because they wanted to change their game a little

​@@Gracefulwarrior2124 yeah less then3% diffrence is kinda just Its basicly 50 50

​@@Gracefulwarrior2124No, remember that War Thunder is a realistic game and if there is a 50/50 split community and Gaijin has to make a decision they will always chose realism

@@Maverick966 Thats basically what I said

I would say yes because it would make the shell realistic instead of a literal bomb that explodes in your tank

German buff, + russian mid tier buff.

​@@T95man Realistic ? What a joke

@@nettopicko7652 the bomb that goes off in the tank is unrealistic

@@T95man game itself is far from realistic. You know what im saying so dont use that excuse. also every shell thats penetrating the tank is bomb for crew .

It’s not that deep bro

He is Russian, you know how Russians "vote"

I finally understood it, after so much grind torture, finally... I love Gaijin entertainment

People think it's going to make there heavy tanks invincible and it might for the first few weeks and then when there heavy tanks start doing well there br's will be raised and they will be useless again.

God forbid Gaijin actually fixing a mechanic thats closer to reality.

​@@kerotomas1"Reality" as if spalling disappears instantly in real life.

@@kerotomas1 realism is when i get a new gun barrel in 20 seconds

@@streetfighter2471 Yes but APHE isn't the nuke an entire crew with spalling in all directions kind of shell, it explodes more in a cone due to the shell's travel path. Case in point, there were Sherman Crews that survived getting hit by a Tiger's APHE round, of course it was mostly just 2 or so crew members that got out as the others were in the forever sleep, but it wasn't the instant-kill all round it is in-game and honestly it shouldn't be because it outshines literally every round in the game that isn't a dart.

@@kerotomas1 HVAP/APCR says hi

Show me a 13.7 premium aircraft or 12.7 premium tank

@@treyfloyd6003They said they wouldn’t have top tier premiums before premium jets were added

@@treyfloyd6003 If you think that the F-20 which is Rank 8 or that any 11.3 premium tank isn't a top tier vehicle then you are as stupid and biased as almost any other War Thunder player that sh*ts out the same nonsense as you. People like you are the reason why the game is suffering.

I want this change.

Majority being less then 3% in this case

It was a vote to just test it not add it to the game… man the drama is real

@@kerotomas1 as per gaijin "we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested" Its not like it was hidden

They’ll do anything to not make new game modes

@@nikolaideianov5092 Yeah tiny majority should be irrelevant as opinions can quickly change. Like brexit, a 2% majority voted them out now 60% of voters would want to rejoin the eu lmao

Or you either have a WoT problem where the majority of braindead players vote for OP changes ruining the balance of the game,

Oh lawd he tweaking

Smoke and mirrors as usual

Ironic. Get your mouth off gaijins balls.

Umm ruzzia...

@@slavikr383 they are Russian. They don’t care about votes and people opinions.

​@@leonleeoff2216Take your pills dawg

@@NekoAngelGamingNAG if your president is elected by 49.7% of votes, when the opposant is 50.3% of votes, who would you get ? First or second ? Don’t try to defend them, it was not 50/50. A majority still was found. And it was no. PERIOD.

no? most people who didnt want the change suck, aphe is broken, please tell me how someone in something like a tortiose is meant to do when a tiger can kill half the crew from a coupla shot? APHE is by far the best performing round in the game

​@@datcheesecakeboi6745 well you see your tortoise can pen the front plate of a tiger across the entire map so you really must suck at the game if you can't pull that off where that poor tiger has to aim for a tiny machine gun turret on the top of your tank. Like my comment said and you are now proving only bad players want this change, like you who cant kill tigers in a tortoise with 90mm AP. You just want a tank that's invincible where you don't have to think and can just hold down W and never die and point and click and kill things instead of learning to play the damn game.

@@FoxKai it was an example of a tank at 5.3 being able to basically ignore all the armour on a heavy tank at 6.7, I could of used the T34 instead if you want There's no way to protect your coupla on most tanks so there's no point playing heavy tanks, how is that balanced Also a few other things, what if its a 1v2, you are reloading, ect At higher tiers without aphe you can play around your tank strengths in armour or speed, being 1 shot in a heavy tank isn't fun. 7.7-11.7 is much more fun for countries like France and Britian

@@datcheesecakeboi6745 Tiger is not 5.3. and again the same thing stand for the T34 American heavy fires AP which can pen the front of tiger from across the map where the tiger 1 needs to get a shot on your lower plate or mg port which you can easily hide, in fact that's even easier to hid than the tortoise MG. Also since responding I played the tortoise to prove my point that you suck. ru-vid.com/show-UCH0zM9a_0BjoFFuC_2B_rygcommunity?lb=Ugkxj6sMX_x6hHK-1ESPN2e4jl7uzUR6CI3z 9 kills 0 deaths almost a nuke up tiered against Germany. Again you just want a tank that's invincible that one shots everything as you refuse to drive tanks correctly. Also higher tiers are just as bad, there is no skill or playing to tanks strengths you just get one shot by heatfs or apfsds through the front so what's the difference between that and someone aiming for a small weak spot and using aphe to one shot you?

@@FoxKai 1. By T34 I'm talking about the Russian tank, which can pen the coupla of the tortoise easily and kill half the crew 2. You say I have a skill issue then say your more likely to be one shot? Do you not play any post ww2 vehicles? Because uh.. I very very rarely get 1 shot at 7.7+ but everything below that? I get 1 shot all the time aside from when I play a heavy tank but even then its like 2 shots at most before death (with exceptions like the Tiger E and Churchill 7) And again at higher brs its more balanced? Slow moving tanks like the Chieftan mk10 or challenger 2 for example can go Hull down and snipe,, while stuff like a leopard 1 and Centuro can flank while requiring knowledge on tanks they face and good aim, at lower brs you can kill nearly all tanks with a coupla shot, at top tier frontal shots rarely 1 shot Mbts, and side shots only 1 shot if you know specifically were to aim It's much much more balanced then Germany, US and the Soviets curbstomping all smaller nations

49% of players:"do the test" Gaijin on the poll post:"we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested"

Why It was never stated to be anything other then "we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested" It was a simple check if a lot of people wanted it or not And with a diffrence of less then 3% Half wanted the test Not everyone who voted no for the test will boycott it With 50% wont boycott and some of the other half not bottering to boycott it wont work

They will implement this on live server anyway. They stated it on forum

Does it really matter? 5:45 Many CC’s (including TEC) publicly supported yes so it goes both ways.

@@randompillow5146 they supported yes, but they didn’t call on their community to go and vote no. They’re allowed to have their opinions, but this creator purposely attempted to sway his fanbase into voting said way. A perfect example of how to show support but leave it up to the individual is how OddBawz covered it.

@@bendawg8-wi4dr Yes they did.

@@trueweapon2349 Prove me wrong then, where did you see a content creator call on all of their fanbase to vote no?

Good thing he and other Russian CC called our community to vote “no”. We are simple people. We want to play major nations and using some skill and luck we want our enemies to go BOOOOM. APHE is critical component of that recipe. We love CQC maps, we don’t like “HUGE FIELDS OF THE FIELDS” or GREAT SANDS OF THE RED DUNES” maps. We like our game to be about action, active movement and good kills. We think game has enough other issues to fix. APHE is the most stable and consistent shell in terms of performance. There is no need to brake something that works. Audio is awful, volumetric shells are awful (trust me we don’t like when a T-34 bounces of a Tiger/Panther shot at point blank). We would rather have the snail buff other type of ammunition like HESH, HEAT and I don’t remember how you call early game “sabot”.

"we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested" 100%

Exactly, these APHE users are probably just pissed their omnidirectional nuke rounds are finally getting balanced.

Realistic game Repairing track in 30 seconds You guys really morons, arent you?

Realism?! Lol! That's why tanks can one shot kill tanks that they could never in real life?! That's why we have WW2 against Cold War?!

I voted yes for the test

Well said

And its not like it was more then a poll "we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested" I take that as checking if players are interested Which with a diffrence of less then 3% are

As one of you lot said to me about my concerns about voting no without even trying the changes, “Not my problem. Sorry not sorry.”

Theyre changing APHE whatever way you vote, because theyll nerf the spherical shrapnel APHE already has because it gets more armor shrapnel and the head goes through the entire tank. Whatever way you vote, APHE will never be its orginal self after the update

Except in agile you pivot and sometimes dev effort will go back to backlog or move to Done.

@@ivanbarbancon8750 100% correct! The whole "muh realism" thing is very tired and boring. You want realism? Ok Germany at 5.7 gets 1 Tiger, maybe 2 Panthers, 1 of which doesn't have fuel, and some halftracks and maybe a Panzer IV or two, can't spawn any aircraft, and will have low skill crews. That's just 1 example, how about the Japanese tanks and aircraft that were never built and yet are in the game, etc etc etc.

@@albundy8139 that's totally that =) in nval for exemple, JApan will get a battleship never finished, just like USSR gets Kronshtadt for no freakin reason... while France is stuck with WW1 dreanoughts.

Majority diffrence less then 3% On something that has "we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested" I think all we are showing is the warthunder player base is stupid

@@nikolaideianov5092 results still don’t lie. More than 50% is majority, even if it is 50.1%. So if gaijin refuse to accept the vote, why even making a vote and ask community, if at the end, gaijin say « go fuck around » to the player base ?

@@ivanbarbancon8750 again as i quoted "we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested" This was never a vote about if it should be tested but to check if most were against it (by most i mean 90%)

There was also the fact that Gaijin said they'd be able to tell if the vote was being manipulated, and act accordingly.

@@RedXlV wich could be the case mainly because there was a vocal part of CC who voted no and moved their mob to vote the same

51.4% I think?

@@therealwildboar1007 Oh it was even closer than I thought lol, I was just going off the top of my head

Agreed 100%

@@jozefdobrovodsky2932 Oh look who's back with a stunning and fantastic ad hominem argument, way to go!

​@@albundy8139as per gaijin "we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested" I took it to mean that unless the vast majority didnt like the change then it would have been tested What did you take it for ?

Spookston and oddbawz also said no. Bet your K/D lower than them. My K/D is also quite high, most tanks up to 2 while some up to 3. Would like to know your stats. I have 2 K/D on my Charioteer, I am not bad with solid shot, I don't want any tank to survive a side on shot aphe or solid.

@@trueweapon2349ive seen these types of things soo much This type of mentality about catering to only the 1% best ignoring the rest coused PBGE to die This vote on the other had was to check if a large majority didnt want it ,with diffrence of less then 3%