Playing Minecraft Mods Without Installing Them? Serverside Only Mods. || Polymer 

Create mod? Interesting... 🙃 Which add-ons btw?

Do you plan to add quests or achievements to your modpack to guide players who never played any tech mods or any mods in general before ? Or should i read up on all the mods included first than play the pack?

@@VladisCrafter all the ones i could find on modrinth

@@popov9651 I might, the plan is there

@@Cygnus_MC I hope Steam'n'Rails, Connected, Copycats+ and Encased too >:]

More likely it will crash/disconnect you, but in rare cases it might be good enough to pass. And fabric does check registries, but only with fabric clients

Well shit that is a fun fact

its prob part of the reason why something like polymer is not on forge

It's useful for some things and if you don't want vanilla clients to join you can just send some packets during configuration, so its just a free win.

@@minecraftreports eh you could do it on forge without issues. Forge has that functionality

Thats actually amazing

Did you use geyserMc? I'm thinking of setting one of these crossplay servers

@@samueldegrandi4125 i did use geyser! I loved making that server but be warned that as soon as any new mc version releases, you'll get stuck waiting on the java mods to catch up and need to update everything again

slava my friend! Goodluck with ur server!

Yo, that's interesting to hear, may I know if that's are things you can share with us, like server itself and the mod?

Funny enough, while some simpler server side mods will work out of the box, due of how bedrock is coded and what it supports, some more advanced polymer mods might not function correctly (or at all). Through things might improve in the future

I've seen someone do crossplay with Java and Roblox (indev). I have no doubt this would work if that can work.

Tbh i had a fabric server with a few server side only mods and it works perfectly fine with bedrock edition mc while i was using geyser to allow bedrock to join

​@@deathdropAs I said, simpler mods should work just fine. Issue arises when mod uses things geyser can't support (because bedrock doesn't)

@@TruePatbox that is true

what is this fully fledged model engine replacement, it sounds interesting ! would like to check it out

​@@kyouu4583 it's called nylon, you should find it on modrinth an alternative to nylon is blockbench-import-library (let's not get into why we have two things that do the same thing, it's... complicated.)

Yippie!

Ur welcome

BTW MENTIONED

Same! Had it on my radar for a while

Thanks for the correction! Forgot to add that disclaimer about packets...

those are paid, this is free

Heya man!! Thanks

Eh every server is modable to a degree. Fabric is just more stable to mod on

Sponge and spigot are modded servers, since they modify the game, through historically people don't really think about them as such. And ofc naturally you can modify them. Cuberite is a custom implementation, making it not a mod, but by itself it can be modified as it's open source.

Its cool!

How.. how did u smell it?

@@Cygnus_MC never question the power of the atom

Yes but addons are made by things mojang aproves. This is all user generated, u cant compare that

Not really, as pat explains this can do so much more. Polyfactory for example has create light features like a windmills rpm beeing sped up if gone from a large wheel to a small wheel

It is way different implementation wise, because it's done through modding (and it works like modding internally too). The vanillification is done on the packet level. One might say it works closer to something like ViaVersion, but with modded content (and requires developer to directly use it)

Yees

Eh joke or not this cant really be done

It deffo has a place in modern Minecraft!

@@Cygnus_MC oh absolutely! it adds convenience that plugins provided in a way more controllable and fun manner, sure datapacks but mods are just more versatile than datapacks

No? It does way more and its a platform to make more mods for

Download the mod ;)

It has limitations, tho its a cool proof of concept!

PolyMc dev here. Yesn't! Create is possible and I made a demo for it a while back. It used display entities which can easily display create contraptions, as well as animated blocks such as shafts. Performance is a problem, you're limited to about ~3000 blocks. Collisions are also technically possible, but neither Polymer nor PolyMc have the code to deal with that right now. But yeah, Create can be recreated! As for mods in general, for most their functionality can be recreated. The aesthetic part you might need to take shortcuts for. Especially if more advanced rendering is done.

@@theepicblock1169 Yes but you are limited to block models. Full BlockEntity Rendering is simply disabled. Or anything custom rendering thats outside of resource packs is gone for you, which a surprising amount of things use. Or hud/guis are also something you can't really do either, assuming it has more then a simple chest.

​@@theepicblock1169to be fair, between this, plugins, and datapacks, I think pretty much everything is possible. And if not, I'm sure it will soon be. Huge props for the project, dude. Really amazing idea. This can make so much difference in the multiplayer scene, I'm genuinely excited for the prospect.

@@Speiger You're not limited to block models. Display entities work with items, which combined with custom model data means you can display any model. This means you can completely emulate block entity rendering. Both Polymer and PolyMc provide utilities for this. The performance gap isn't even too large here since BER's already kinda suck for performance (at least regular ones). Huds/gui's can be emulated to a certain degree using font hacks.

I dont think u quite understand what this is doing. Or skipped the part where we say bukkit plugins cant do this

Might be yeah

Some mods that don't use anything too fancy/advanced will work, but ones depending on things like display entities, resource packs or other java only techniques that don't or even can't work on bedrock won't work (well, you will be able to join but thing won't be as usable/nice as on java)

Eh Polymer is very mixins heavy so that might not work. In my interview with the connector team they said as much

@@Cygnus_MC On 1.20.1, I was bored once and experimented a bit to get it running with connector (some time after it just released) and I got far enough to make it work in singleplayer, but I don't know if it even functioned correctly on servers (never tested, it was just quick experiment after all). I imagine it only really worked, because all my more "aggresive" mixins touched area of the game that no one else/forge really did. And any newer version won't work naturally through, which is kinda bad in context of polymer mods as all modern/textured mods released on 1.20.2+

There is a tutorial on the download page

Minetest my beloved

It was on my list for a while, dont remember who suggested it but thanks!

Yoo i should check that out yeah!

loader* im stupid

I dont think it can be used as malware so easily

@@Cygnus_MC I truly hope so.

Hm might he an idea, tho there are better people to do that

Ive seen it yeah, tho again itll be limited by the nms

Yep

Well it does install a resource pack

@@Cygnus_MC it isn't really installed it just overlays textures and models it can't run arbitrary code. And you can also just put a resource pack on a vanilla server. So not any specific *risk* to Polymer.

Belgian

Yknow what thats fair! Ill add that to the discription

Belgian yeah

Yeah patbox said that too! Its awesome

Yeah and thats what makes a difference here. Because polymer still works on modded server and only changes things on the packet layer, polymer mods can use all vanilla item/block/entity backend as much as they want, without having to emulate it by hand. That makes things really simple, as you more or less get a lot of things for free

It's mostly because thats platform specific naming, technically both are server side mods, but bukkit/paper ones run in an envirement that just limits more what you can do (or should do)

Paper and other bukkit api servers are needed in the space

Hmm maybe in theory is geyser allows for datapack downloads?

There's a video idea. Interview Geyser devs, if you can, and see what they have to say about it. If they can configure it to work the same as Bedrock's new addons, maybe it'll work...?

I might :3

Try Prism Launcher that could do just that. A mod downloader in-game isn’t possible, the game needs to be re-launched to load another modjar.

Actually thats getting turned around! Im working on a project called respouted that tries to be an autoloader but safely and ive gotten some hints from the forge team that they will be allowing dynamic loading of mods!

Why not? Have u seen any other rock based youtubers?

@@Cygnus_MC No thats the goofy part

@@YigitCanAydinSS This is what happens when a joke goes too far ngl

Server side mods always work on just clients as well, since playing in singleplayer makes you host a private server and connect to that.

@@GurkisDev Yeah, but in the future, I would not like to see that singleplayer worlds using mods are impossible

Hello

@@Cygnus_MC hello

Its slighty more problematic on java as mojang doesn't make or check the mods

@@Cygnus_MC Yea because they never did add official modding support in vanilla java

Actually, Mojang expands on data driven/dynamic stuff with recent updates, with latest addition being datapackable enchantments. They slowly get rid of or rework old code to make it compatible with dynamic stuff, so I imagine we will get datapackable items and blocks sometime in the future

@@TruePatbox I forgot about datapacks

Dangit

me too lmao!

Yeah bukkit plugins dont work sadly

Nothing is completely unremoveable, I’ve had a similar (but less restrictive firewall) so I just backuped my files and reinstalled Windows.

@@samuelhulme8347 good idea

Patbox has a list of mods that work on his website

Polymer

Just your usual modded server setup for fabric and then installing few extra mods. You also need to enable resource pack hosting in polymer's autohost config files. For mod dev, you develop mods as usual, just maybe using polymer/other apis I made so you can do more things server side

@@TruePatbox What are the said few extra mods, other than polymer. + what is your definition in autohost config files thanks

You can do a lot of things, you just need to get clever. - Chest uis with specific custom fonts and item models should allow for that. You could also use dynamic mapart or in world uis. - Overlays can be done with fonts too, a lot of high-tech servers use them for that. - You can recreate them by using display entities, which allows you to get 1:1 results for rendering compared to many regular mods (with fancy animations and stuff). - Yeah it's not perfect, but it can get pretty close if you select your client items right. PolyFactory is full on techmod using some of stuff described here. I also have fully working port/patch for ComputerCraft making it server side. The main limitation is the imagination of developer :)

@@TruePatbox Yes but cleverness can't overcome limitations and that is a fact. - UIs: That technically could work, but that automatically fails with dynamic data like fluid tanks and other dynamic colored objects. Especially since you can't register a TintOverrider. Again fairly limited. (Especially if you have to design around other mods too) - Overlays: UI overlays maybe yes, but world overlays like a world scan that goes through everything or shows hitboxes for specific actions (like rotation/removal options) simply are not viable without killing the framerate, or using an excessive amount of network data. At that moment you are paying prices that don't make it viable IMO. I know dispaly entities exists and that you can do a ton with them, but they are a lot more expensive since they can't be batched either, and they are visible to everyone. Not sure if you can make it player specific only. - Oh yeah i am not denying that fact at all. But the point is, if you are making a giant mod with a lot of contraptions or custom rendering/interaction stuff that uses client side information, for example opening item guis inside inventories for example, that is simply not possible or so expensive that you can't really say that it is viable to do. Oh i am fully aware how much you can do, though i have to say i forgot display entities. But things i have done before, won't be possible with this no matter how much you try to trick due to requiring access to the client side events sadly ^^" Ignoring the limitation pointing out, i still think this is some awesome software. So don't think i am hating on this, but i want to point out real limitations that exist on there. Especially if you have to think of people running with: Weak CPUs, IGPUs, limited network bandwidth/budget and more which is sadly more common then you think. I wish mojang wouldn't have implmented a Glorified OpenGL1.0 implementation, heck actual OpenGL1.0 would still be faster xD

@@Speiger Characters can be coloured individually. So I think you should be able to use that for fluid tanks. If you're using command blocks you can't do display entities per-player, but Polymer/PolyMc operate on a packet level. We don't summon a full entity we just tell the player there's a display entity there. That allows for them to be per-player. The base codepath for BER's isn't actually too different from the one display entities take, the efficiency isn't too different. But for mods that bake their BER's into the chunk mesh… yeah we're not going to achieve that performance. It kinda sucks we can't do the really advanced stuff. I will say we do have access to shaders, which have a lot of potential and could theoretically do the world-scan stuff and other stuff you were talking about. Currently there's not a lot of code making use of that though, I think it's worth investigating more. Also of note is that Mojang is clearly moving in a direction which makes this stuff more and more possible. Currently a lot of things they added were targeted more towards datapacks, and did stuff PolyMc/Polymer could already hack around. But it seems like they're also going to do stuff like data-defined blocks somewhere in the future.

@@Speiger Things like fluid tanks could be solved by using custom fonts with text colors (they are stupidly power to be fair and allow for a lot of dynamism/complexity in ui looks, which is quite easy to overlook) or multiple colored items, if you don't need high precision (leather items ftw). With display entities, you can make them purely per player if you construct them with packets (as polymer does, since making real entities is even more wasteful). Worst of the worst case scenario they can take a lot of networking, but I tweaked and tested it to make it as small as possible while still having it look good (rotation updates don't need to happen every tick, as mc supports flexible interpolation) and a simple lod system can be used minimizing data sent to client. With guis I'm not exactly sure what you have in mind (you mean layered uis?), functionality wise it should be doable (through might not be as pretty as your usual both-side mod) And yeah, I agree they aren't best/most perfect solution in general, but honestly I prefer to not be perfectionist and using them as good enough solution. Through maybe one day it will get way simpler and faster.

I have, but that's not comparable

Im a rock...

@@Cygnus_MC I mean to say a pebble, not a penny, idk why I said that

We're reviving it! Theres a video on it if ur interested

Belg

@@Cygnus_MC oh sorry (zijn de wegen echt zo slecht als ze zeggen?)

@@siepert yeeep

@@Cygnus_MC sterkte 🙏

I shall!

Whats that

Theyre not, they have their place

fui primeiro

@@bacalhau_seco nada

@@ShiftSad fake

@@bacalhau_seco Sadness real

U dont? U just automatically activate the resource pack

@@Cygnus_MC well I’m not going to play on somebody else’s server, and it’s not gonna set itself up.

In case of polymer mods, if you want to play alone they will work just fine in singleplayer if you install them like any other regular mods. People who run servers for their friends generally will benefit most from things like polymer (or public servers, as that also works)